High school baseball: Titles are up for grabs

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  • scotsfan Roy, UT
    March 31, 2011 6:41 p.m.

    Don't laugh but Ben Lomond is going to sneak up on people. The Olympus loss was due to the fact 5 players were out for discipline. I am not saying we will win the region but we won't be a pushover. I guess when you can recruit players it is easy to win

  • region1fan Bountiful, UT
    March 31, 2011 5:31 p.m.


    After watching Davis today against Layton I would say they are going to have to play a lot better than that if they are going to go somewhere. A win is a win but that was ugly.

  • Gramps Bambino Herriman, utah
    March 29, 2011 6:52 p.m.

    Bingham is not the only high school hiring "good old boys". All of Herriman's assistant coaches have boys on the team and they are off to a terrible start! You are right Sportsdude that never helps. Some of those boys made it on the team only because their dad. Their performance and skill are far below many boys who did not make the team. Its a shame to see the team struggle, with the amount of talent there is to choose from out in Herriman they could build a surprisingly strong team for being a new school. Many with far superior skills were over looked, just to make spots for coaches sons and their friends. (friends do not even live in the high schools boundaries) The community of Herriman was excited to be getting a coach that came from Taylorsville, hoping he would come in and build a strong program such as theirs. However, it is disappointing to see how he has started out. None of those coaches care about building a strong baseball team they only have the best interest of their own sons in mind and that is pitiful!

  • yankees27 Heber, Utah
    March 29, 2011 6:35 p.m.

    Eagle, With CV having lost a stud starting pitcher(#1 guy) to honor code violation, and DH rumored to have lost 2 guys to another school, the southern schools may not be as tough as once thought. I had DH picked to win it this year too! JD is always going to be good, recruiting will do that for you.

    As for blaming the coaches, isn't that what everyone does? In the Pro's and college you are given contracts and expected to lead and produce or be replaced. In HS however, since most are teachers, they are allowed to continue in their futility as long as they like until a group of parents do something about it. It's happened here before,(ironically, Link mentioned him in his post) and to be honest, needs to happen again. Wasatch has good programs (swimming, basketball, Wrestling) and could have it in baseball too, but to have a program and not just a varsity team, you have to build from the ground up, with the youth programs, and these guys won't do it. It's sad too, because there is a ton of interest in baseball here.

  • eagle Provo, UT
    March 29, 2011 5:19 p.m.

    Maybe I was unfair to compare Wasatch to other 4-A/5-A schools, however, I still don't see their program and talent at the level of that of Desert Hills, Canyon View, Juan Diego or Carbon. Maybe not this year specifically but over the long haul.

    I see them a lot like their football team, a good solid team that is probably in the top 4-8 in 3-A. I respect 3-A baseball and there are some pretty good players. Wasatch has some good pitching depth which could lead to a deep run in the playoffs. But I don't think they have a dominant stud pitcher and I think a shut down pitcher (or two) is needed to ultimately win the whole thing. Canyon View was real impressive in a St. George tournament and they just might be the team to beat. I also see Juan Diego and Desert Hills as top challengers.

    Now I might be wrong, I'm a 4-A baseball fan more than anything. But if my predictions come true, which is based on how I honestly see their talent. I'm sure Shoell and Kelley will be blamed.

  • plyxply SLC, UT
    March 29, 2011 3:23 p.m.

    Alta beat Bingham by hitting the ball hard and with better pitching, how is that a fluke kamute? There are four or five teams in 5A that if they get hot they can win it. Pitching depth is always an issue in the playoffs so Bingham should be helped there but you can't win if you don't score.

  • FridayNightLights Aurora, UT
    March 29, 2011 9:35 a.m.

    Lets go North Sevier Wolves! Keep on gettin' the job done.

  • joseywales Park City, UT
    March 29, 2011 12:28 a.m.

    yankee and Eagle:, First, Yankee, I tend to agree with you about the talent of this years Wasp team. I've watched that group for many years, and they truly are very talented. Probably the best team not receiving any accolades right now. Remember, we're talking about 3A here Eagle.

    Eagle, for me it's not how much knowledge, or lack thereof, that is suspect. You say they treat the boys well? You really need to witness on a continual basis the way SOME of those boys get treated, it's appalling that the Wasatch parents keep letting it happen. Verbal abuse is just that, Abuse! How much longer before the verbal, becomes Physical? Besides, all of Wasatch knows the real reason that team has been good isn't because of Kelly and Shoell, it's because of the guy they call on to help. He played collegiately and brings alot of knowledge to them that they themselves don't have, but always take credit for! Also, recently whether they admit it or not, they have had help from some dads who had coached in the super leagues, and they helped "behind the scenes" Just sayin'

  • DodgerDoug Salem, UT
    March 28, 2011 11:30 p.m.

    Regarding 4A which I have seen a lot of this year, Spanish Fork is hands down the cream of the crop. But on any given day could be beat by the likes of a Snow Canyon or Salem Hills. Spanish's pitching depth however is their strength and will carry them to the 4A title. Watch out next year 3A. JD does not stand a chance.

  • eagle Provo, UT
    March 28, 2011 5:14 p.m.

    I've been involved in high school baseball many years and Wasatch and "Power in Baseball" is not three words I generally put together. I might think Spanish Fork, Lone Peak, Alta, Juan Diego, Springville Taylorsville, and maybe Bingham. Wasatch has some nice athletes and even pitching depth but they don't have a dominant pitcher and it's hard to win with that. Perhaps Wasatch in Little League beat up on smaller town programs but even if I took Super League results seriously (which I really don't), it's not like they are tearing it up. I mean, let's not get Wasatch mixed up with Taylorsville baseball (the program or community I think of when it comes to powerhouse youth level baseball).

    As for the parents of Wasatch, I might suggest they actually support the coach because by not supporting the coach you are poisoning the well. And then you bring out your self-fullfilling prophecy and call yourself geniuses. Coach Shoell knows the game, Coach Kelly knows the game (his father was one of the best American Legion coaches and he played for Hoover in HS). And they treat the boys well...

  • link Midway, UT
    March 28, 2011 3:01 p.m.

    re: wasp

    Roger Pyper was pretty dang good, and the Hermanson guy was pretty good also, the current coach walked into a program that was being built and unfortunate for current and past players he doesn't know how to build a foundation thats why Wasatch will never get that State title that these kids have worked hard for. Do you know where the current coach came from and why he was let go from that school, your from Utah County maybe you have some history we would love to hear about.

  • Wasp utah County, UT
    March 28, 2011 12:08 p.m.

    What are the matter with the coaches Yankees27? I think they are pretty wise and knowledgeable. Who have been the great coaches in the past?

  • yankees27 Heber, Utah
    March 28, 2011 11:28 a.m.

    TCnewsie: ya, I agree there are other teams in region 11, just not good baseball teams. I saw Grunstville in St.George and they didn't look that good. Bear River will be OK, but JD recruits very well, so they always have the guys, especially pitching. This is the Northern teams last year to get a title, because next year with Spanish Fork and all the St. George schools becoming 3A, anyone NOT Juan Diego won't stand a chance!

    On a different note, being from Wasatch, I've never seen a team with as much true talent as this years Wasp team.(I don't have a son on the team) They are solid in the hitting dept., and Ok in pitching, not great, but solid enough to put alot of wins together. The only problem is the coaching, or lack of. This team could, and should, be in at least the semis, IF the coaches just stay out of the way. This group has played together since they were 8-9, and have had great coaches along the way. The HS guys should just let them play the game the way they were taught.

  • TCnewsie Tooele, UT
    March 28, 2011 10:43 a.m.

    Juan Diego isn't the only team in Region 11. Just because they "reload" every year doesn't mean that Grantsville or Bear River can sneak up on them and surprise them. Grantsville looks solid and has a great hitting lineup while Bear River can surprise anyone. Just saying that Juan Diego won't be able to put it on cruise control in region play.

  • Sportsdude Draper, UT
    March 28, 2011 10:15 a.m.

    Bingham has pulenty of pitching but struggle hitting. Coaching staff their has been living off of great talent for 15-20 years but only have a few deep runs to show for it. They haven't really had a good hitting guy there since Bevan retired from baseball and became the AD. The other problem I have heard is the hiring of some of the "good old boys" because they have sons in the program - that NEVER helps. If you want to see a good coaching staff that gets the most out of the talent they have - Lone Peak, Riverton, Alta and Jordan. I beleive Alta has more state champions that Bingham in the past 10-15 years. Coach Harrington must be doing something right with his coaching staff. He also did a great job in shutting down the Miners a few weeks ago.

  • slicker Gunnison, UT
    March 28, 2011 8:44 a.m.

    @ JD BOOKS

    They look like it. . . What was the score against Gunnison?

  • JD Books Monroe, UT
    March 28, 2011 8:28 a.m.

    Look out for SS Rams in 2A. They have mojo from the state hoops title!

  • Big Rod South Jordan, UT
    March 28, 2011 8:19 a.m.

    Why is everybody over rating Bingham? Bingham probably has the deepest roster but quantity does not hand you wins. Look for Bingham to win most of their games but when the State Tournament arrives they will crack under the pressure. Look at the loss and the close contests in the first 2 weeks of the season when everbody was on the Bingham bandwagon. The Bingham bandwagon will be deserted when Bingham gets knocked out of the State Tourny early.

  • InsideView Draper, UT
    March 28, 2011 8:06 a.m.

    Watch out for Jordan to surpruise some folks. Coach Anderson's son is the real deal. They have a fairly deep pitching staff and Anderson can plaster the ball. Over the past several years, Bignham has been strong in baseball but have seemed to fade when the tourney comes along. I assume the same thing will happen this year.

  • Love the Game American Fork, UT
    March 28, 2011 7:27 a.m.

    The state tournament is not the best of three. Bingham is very good this year and has a real chance to win it all. It is a bit hard to tell however because they have so many bottom feeders in that region. 12 wins in the bag against Kearns, Copper Hills, Herriman and West Jordan. Semi-tough test against Taylorsville and their biggest challenge and perhaps a better overall team is Riverton. They would not run the table in Region 4. That region is loaded again with only one gimmie series against Hillcrest. You say the Bingham loss against Alta was a fluke. I think if you bring a lot of top teams down to region 4 you will see several other "fluke" losses.

    I'm sticking with my pre-season call. Bingham vs. LP in the final, although Riverton could be there too; very solid team.

  • hayyouwho West Haven, UT
    March 28, 2011 7:06 a.m.

    I think Davis has a chance to make some noise this year. This is not your Davis teams of the past. They are pretty strong through the batting order though a few minor adjustments could probably help. The defense is stronger across the board. Much hinges on how the pitching is used. They have several good arms but tend to depend too much on a couple of pitchers and don't give any innings to others that could be very helpful as the season wears on. Maybe the weather delays will force that issue a bit as they will now have to play several games a week.

  • eagle Provo, UT
    March 28, 2011 6:47 a.m.

    That's nice KamUte that Bingham has that expectation. I'm sure other schools have high expectations. I'm actually going to predict that Lone Peak wins the all-sport trophy in 5-A this year with three titles already (golf, volleyball and boy's basketball).

    In regards to baseball Bingham may be favorite but programs such as Lone Peak, AF, Alta, Jordan and perhaps T-Ville will be in the battling with them. I think 5-A is hugely wide open this year with perhaps a slight edge to Bingham...maybe.

    In 4-A Spanish Fork is the huge favorite but there are some programs with hopes such as Stansbury, Salem Hills, Westlake, Snow Canyon, Mountain Crest, and perhaps even Provo, Woods Cross, Box Elder, Springville, and Lehi. But I would have to SF is the team to beat with its pitching depth and past tradition.

  • KamUte South Jordan, UT
    March 27, 2011 10:16 p.m.

    Bingham losing to Alta is a fluke. In a three game series, Bingham will always win. I expect Sato will have them ready to win it all. It's simply the expectation at Bingham to win all sports.

  • little miss swiss Midway, UT
    March 27, 2011 10:04 p.m.

    My predictions for top 3 in each region for 3A

    Region 9
    Desert Hills
    Canyon View

    Region 10
    Park City

    Region 11
    Juan Diego

    Region 12

    State Finals

    Juan Diego vs. Cedar
    Cedar getting the title this year!