Application denied: Class of 2011 may face toughest admission competition yet

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  • Gentile brookings, SD
    March 29, 2011 7:18 a.m.

    Points well taken. But based on my 30 years of advising and counseling, and sending my own children to colleges, the public state universities are the best buy. Period. Now if you want to hob-nob with the rich and their descendants, then by all means go to HHHHHaaaaaaaaa vard and Yelllllll, but otherwise? Save your money, talk to your professors, go on the international trips, love life to the fullest, and have fun and success. I see it every day.

  • Rocket Science Brigham City, UT
    March 28, 2011 10:16 p.m.

    "And Ivy League graduates don't tend to move up the chain faster just because of the name." But it is of great significance the fact that tradition and contacts are worth $$$. Ivy League alumni look out for each other and new grads. Networking with fellow grads pays big dividends.

  • Considering Stockton, UT
    March 28, 2011 4:05 p.m.

    Mom of 8 and Gentile make a valid point, but then miss the 2nd order effects.

    MOST students get out of a college exactly what they put into it. But just as there are students who need to spend a year or two in community college before being ready for the flagship State university, there are also students whose full abilities will most likely be revealed only in the most challenging of environments.
    Big corporations are not stupid. They don't pay more for Ivy League graduates just for a name. And Ivy League graduates don't tend to move up the chain faster just because of the name.

    For the gifted and talented students, competing against and learning from/with others that are the best and brightest provides educational and career advantage that is hard to replicate at a school where such students are going to be top in their class without exerting much effort.

    MIT/Caltech for engineering, Harvard/Yale for law/medicine, Juliard/Boston Conservatory for music. These places and their peer institutions are appropriate for the best and brightest just as SLCC serves its demographic well.

    Not every student is average. Encourage excellence.

  • Gentile brookings, SD
    March 28, 2011 3:53 p.m.

    TO Mom of 8: yup!!! I have taught college for over 30 years total and what a student learns from College A is what the student puts into it. And, get this, if you do well and want to go to graduate or law school, take the tests and move on. Then take the national boards or whatever in your field, and become the professional that you always wanted to be.

    The MITs and others near them are selling balderdash. And a large dose of it! State supported schools, such as Utah State, are an excellent bargain. It is what the student does there that makes the difference. If you are paying over $20,000 a year in fees and tuition to go to college, you are being robbed.

  • Considering Stockton, UT
    March 28, 2011 1:58 p.m.

    I'm with SME. Even as the public and media demand openness at the legislature are these same groups going to let the UoU maintain secret admission standards?

    BYU and Westminster are private colleges funded with private money. They have every right to maintain privacy and even to enforce honor codes.

    But the U is taxpayer funded and should be subjected to all the intent of open access to government records. They should also fully abide the 14th amendment equal protection clause by demonstrably avoiding sexual, racial, and other such discrimination in their admissions process.

    The UoU should have an objective admission criteria and apply it without regard to race, sex, religion, age, or disability.

    ANY other admission policy is an affront to equal protection and a misappropriation of taxpayer provided, government money.

  • junkgeek Agua Dulce, TX
    March 28, 2011 11:57 a.m.

    But isn't it a bogus argument to say that it's harder and harder to get in, when you have 'application inflation'? These universities are admitting the *same* number of kids as ever before. What makes it "harder" is these kids applying for 14 colleges when they will only attend one...

  • Mom of 8 Hyrum, UT
    March 28, 2011 10:14 a.m.

    Over my 20 years in education I've received degrees from or taught at eight different colleges and universities. Here's the truth: anyone can get an EXCELLENT education at any university. Likewise, anyone can spend over one hundred thousand dollars at an Ivy League school and not learn anything useful.

    It's all up to the students to get the education they want. Forget these ridiculously expensive "notable" schools. Be realistic, especially in this economy, and pour your heart into your education. You'll succeed anywhere, even in "lowly" state public schools or two-year colleges. The name of the university you graduate from doesn't matter nearly as much on a resume as the kind of person you become, and that's all up to individuals. Really.

  • SME Kearns, UT
    March 28, 2011 7:00 a.m.

    "The U. also does not plan on giving out its minimum requirement for students next year. School officials believe that will allow the school to be more flexible in which students it decides to enroll and to help it deal with the recent application surge." Not publishing the requirements to gain more "flexibility" could be interpreted as we'll admit who we want and don't want to have to justify why. I wonder how much of that goes on.