@ amgolferHey it's good to see that some fans can see the importance
of defense and rebounding. Enjoy your posts, keep up the good work. Hoping to
see the end of the double power forward no center experiment by next season.
Small ball is dead.
Socol still in cold war. Can't stand by russians. Jealous little man.
#B Russ-Sap at #3 has been an ongoing debate for the past two years. I mentioned
this a while back and was shot down by most posters. General consensus was he is
not quick enough to guard most athletic #3 in the league. They also said that
most #3 are taller than him and will shot right over him...It's a thought and it
would be interesting to get some input with that. If he could (big question is
could) learn the #3 could this work? Doubts. Get a true C, AJ as PF with Favors
getting significant minutes backing him and Paul #3???? I don't know. Paul is
what 6'5" max??? It could work if he could work on the D aspect of things.
He cannot guard bigs and it is proving to be a major liability underneath. Paul
is quick on the offensive side but would need to develop better footwork on
defensive end to guard athletic #3 in the league...Man if that could exist,
wow....with a true C. AJ could also play C or Favors and then we have serious
options we can play with. Hmmmm???
@BRuss--I have been saying this for years and I'm very perplexed that a lot of
fans don't get it. We cannot play small and bring a championship to Utah. We
don't play D and the only thing Okur did was spread the Offense which was nice
at times. He never played D and was not the big we need. Playing AJ and Sap will
never cut it--way to small. Something has to change if we want to
"compete" with the big boys in the league. We need a "true"
C/#5 and AJ needs to figure out how to co-exist with him or get out of dodge and
either bring someone else in (vet) or work with Favors (Sap-bench). I think
Favors has an enormous upside to work with and I sincerely believe he will adapt
to playing with a true #5. Now we can focus on other issues like #3/#2 and #1
(long-term-hey JazzCop back at it again:) b/c I don't think our current PG is
necessarily the long-term answer. But I will give him a chance. Not a top 10 PG,
When and if we get that defensive presence in the paint, the defense on the
perimeter will show vast improvement because the guards can stay with their man
without having to help the power forwards out so much.Another thing,
I believe we would be better off to move Milsap to the 3 with Favors at center
and Jefferson powerforward. It couldn't be any worse than what we are seeing
now. We need a center to play center. Then I think everyone in Jazzville would
be alot happier after seeing the results, especially the Miller family.
Captain L brings up a very good point. The turning point of the season was just
before Okurs attempted comeback. Sloan wanted to insure Okurs spot in the lineup
and busted up a very successful second unit that was defending and rebounding.
Until then we were winning. Jerry was in the running for coach of the year. Fans
were buying tickets. Fes was benched and the chemistry of the second went to
pieces. It's been all down hill since.In todays NBA you have to have
defense in the paint. You cannot compete with an undersized front line that
cannot defend the painted area. This has been my gripe with the Jazz coaches and
management for several years now. They are trying to compete with a poor
defender in Al Jefferson, a power forward and a very undersized Paul Milsap who
is also a power forward. Last year it was Boozer and Okur, again no defense in
the paint. Small ball won't work. Even playing Fesenko was more effective than
this even if he is a goof ball.The point is we need a long defensive
minded center to defend the paint. Small ball doesn't cut it.
Sorry to all you Pollyanna types, who probably are Miller plants...This team is
a mess. One has to wonder, if Jefferson, a solid guy, has some curse hanging
over his headLook Okur, Kirilenko, Bell, Fesenko, these names do not bring
to mind a case for championship fever in Jazzland.
Any coach that comes in during the middle of the season especially to replace a
hall of famer is going to struggle. All of the sudden Assistant Coach Corbin is
handed a live hand grenade and is told here you go don't let it go off, and we
expect him to carry the torch like it had been the past 23 years. Well Coach
Corbin has been given a situation to fail, replacing Sloan, trading D-Will, a
team riddled with injuries, the teams identity is gone it vanished with Sloan.
Corbin has a tough task ahead of him, I for one think he is the right man for
the job but we as fans, true fans need to relax and let it take its course. I
hate to see the Jazz lose I always have ever sense they drafted Dr.
Dunkinstien.Be patient we all know the outcome of this year already,
even if they do make the play offs I doubt they will win the championship. So
let them right the ship and lets get excited for next year. GO JAZZ
This rebuilding process may take some time. The great teams in the west are
still strong and there are some other up and comers so it will be difficult I
think for the Jazz to even make the playoffs next year. I am thankful that we
have a team though and I hope they stay here even while there seems to be some
real band wagon fans ready to jump ship. We can all act like we could do a
better job than Jazz management to fix what's wrong but don't kid yourself. Most
of the people posting messages never played high school, let alone college ball
and all of a sudden now know how to fix an ailing NBA team. But, it's fun right,
I know I post my comments about what they should do and who they should draft
but at least I'm not going to get upset if the Jazz don't listen to me. It just
makes it fun for the fans and we are all lucky enough to live in a country where
we can express our opinions (although Des News has to approve them) :)
@ Anonigma--thanks for bringing up Irving. He would be a great addition in my
opinion. @Bugoff--great post but not sure about our starting PG being a
Top 10 in the NBA. I'm so glad we obtained Favors as I feel he can be huge for
Most of the comments here are on spot. I think the JAZZ are just JYNXED right
now! Any coach in the NBA would have told MIllsap to miss the second free
throw! Hornets didn't have any more time outs! HELLO! JYNXED!!!
Never forget that D-Will was probably not going to resign with the Jazz; Okur
(when hitting his 3s) was an integral part in opening up Jazz offense near the
basket; D-Will, when healthy, pulled out many a game with his 4th quarter jump
shots and drives to the basket/free throws.Jazz management has done well
this year preparing for the future. I like Hayward and Favors and I still think
Fes will come around as at least a solid back-up center. The two draft picks
next year might net the team a couple of excellent players, one of whom might be
playing major minutes next year. Hopefully, that draftee will be someone who can
drive and score or fake and pop a jumper consistently. Oh yeah, and play good
it looked like it was longer than a second or so for them to make the basket.
the length of the floor pass hit either one of our players or theirs and
dribbled to the NO player and he jumped to make the shot. sure it was longer
than just over a second and no one complained. look at the replay.thanks.
idjazzman: Good post!Locke posted about how things fell apart about
Dec. 28th or sometime about then, if everyone can remember, that is about the
time Okur started getting playing time and Fes couldn't get on the floor. I'm
not say Fes is a great player but the defensive presence he brought to the floor
is under appreciated. Fes has proven he's not working hard enough to earn
minutes on the floor but I seem think we forget how good that second unit was
playing in Nov & Dec and it was Fes that made the biggest difference.
Defense has been the biggest problem since the first of the year. Rebounding has
also been a big problem, Big Al & Paul haven't been getting it done. We have
lost the rebounding battle alot of the times. I hope Corbin brings Favors along
as fast as possible, we need his presence in the middle.Three point
shooting is a problem and needs addressing but defense is the biggest problem.
I think Corbin isn't sure what he needs to be doing, he is experimenting
and isn't putting the right players on the floor together at the right times.
I think the Jazz did very well to send Williams off. They should do well in the
draft. I was amazed they got Jefferson. I think we need to be patient. A few
players will be gone next year. I was hopeful for Hayward, but he needs to be
What we are in the midst of one of the most dramatic collapses in NBA history.
The team owner wants fans to not tell him what kind of mess he created
after his father left. We have a GM that does not know how to draft....I
think only Michael Jordan is worse..We have Gordon Hayward...aka Opie
Milicic.Smallsap....and the always injured Russian Greg Oden-Marcus Camby
also known as the 17 million dollar failure known as Andrei Kirilenko...How many
games has this guy missed? He is worse than Boozer...No heart, no leadership.
We keep this guy to screw up our financial flexibility because like Miles he has
one good game than disappears when Masha shop is not doing well.We are the
Utah Charmins of the NBA. The coaching, management, players and owner ship all
that point guard from kentucky branden might be a better draft pick than jones
from kentucky. was a neat game yesterday. thanks.
Although I agree with Earl's comments about professionalism and playing hard
every night as being expected--I can't help but look to the game on Thurs
against New Orleans and admire what the Jazz have. They fight. This group has
plenty of character and they will win. Maybe not tomorrow and maybe not as soon
as some fans would like, but I'm sticking with them. Except for one very sorry
writer from Denver back in the Eighties--(who subsequently has his words stuffed
back down his throat) nobody has seriously ever questioned the heart of this
organization. It may sound trite and young people might have a hard time
digesting this--but the old saying is true--the measure of a man isn't whether
or not he fails--it's in whether or not he gets back up. Granted, I may be
turning off the tube if games get ugly in the 4th quarter (I do that either way
anyway)--but I won't ever give up on the organization, my Jazz team and my
fellow (true) Jazz fans.
What the heck is the matter with Jazz fans? Who needs you if you are not going
to support your team when they are down. They are not trying to lose. They have
struggled of late but as a team they are still trying. It is the fans that have
given up. Some fans some of you are. Fair weather fans if you ask me. Stand by
your team. This isn't Philadelphia or New York. This is Utah. A small market
team with a limited income, but a team that has put the best team they can on
the floor. You groused about Boozer and now he's gone. Trying to get better they
brought in Al Jefferson. Too bad Deron Williams couldn't be more of a team
player and a little more loyal. If he had indicated that he was going to re sign
with the Jazz then they would have kept him and maybe things would be different.
Oh well get over it. This is a team that is going to be better next year when
they have had more time together. In the mean time. Grow up, show up cheer up.
I almost look forward to reading these comments more than the games and rarely
do I miss a game. It kills me how the world is over for the jazz fans. You
wanted more than a trip to the finals with Stockton to Malone. You wanted more
than first or second round mediocrity. The jazz are trying to do something
about this first or second rund exits and everybody wants it right now. It
didn't happen for the bulls, lakers, or celtics overnight. If you want to get
off the bandwagon then jump off now. Go and watch the lakers or somebody else.
I am excited for the future of this team. I loved D-Will, but I love the trade
more. Are we making the playoffs this year? No way. Pending if we even have a
season next year we may not make them next year either. I still see the future
as bright. The biggest things that make me laugh is all the armchair general
managers that could do better. If you can then go and apply for the job. Prove
you can do better. Pretty sure KOC don't read these for inspiration. Thank
Yes, it has been a difficult season and everything seems to be going wrong. But
here are some bright spots:-Unless the new NBA agreement includes a
franchise tag, the trade of Deron Williams was very wise. He wasn't going to
stay with the Jazz. The Jazz are in rebuilding mode and that trade gave the Jazz
a good PG, a very promising PF and two draft picks. Look what Cleveland got for
Lebron by holding on to him.-With AK's contract coming off the books
and two lottery picks, the Jazz have some flexibility.-This draft
may not have the star power as other years, but there are some good players in
this draft.-The jury is still out on Corbin, but I like him. Give
him a summer to implement his playbook. I think the Jazz will have an exciting
team to watch.
You dont know what you got until its gone. Jerry was a good coach. Corbin is a
good person but over his head. Why oh why does Rbell keep getting so many
minutes its like Ty is scared of him saying something again. Please buy him out
send him on his way. CJ i like everyone else see a lot of upside but how long do
you have to wait for him. GH is way more athletic then he gets credit for.
Please get a 2 guard that can shoot.
Did I just hear Greg Miller stoop to the "say it to my face" line?
Wow, nice to see that Jazz fans can look forward to an immature trust fund baby
running things. Every owner in every sport gets negative things said about them,
don't act like a girl Greg. As for the Jazz, just be happy that you
have fans that care enough to say something. The question isn't can Jazz
management bring in talent. It's keeping and cultivating talent. By my
estimation O'Conner has only ONE first-round draft pick one the team since 2005,
Gordan Heyward. When you bail on your last 5 first round draft picks in the NBA
you become the Wizards!!! There is no excuse for the terrible turnaround on
this team. Korver and Brewer are filling in fine on the Bulls, the the Jazz
could have used them along with another two or three good players with the
you get what you focus on. no matter what. that goes for players. but it's true
for fans,too. attacking your own team when it's down is counter-productive; and
it speaks volumes @ character. there's a way to turnaround any
disaster train, a way that turns down the volume on fan
"hanger"(hate+anger) + skips all the sugar-coated happy talk.
hopefully greg, ty & co. go get it.
Maybe I'm just a funny little old lady, but I believe there are so many of us
out here who still love the Jazz. We probably don't have a whole lot of
technical basketball knowledge, but we agonize over their losses, worry about
them with their injuries, cheer them with their wins, love to hear about their
community involvements, miss them when they are gone, etc. etc. We are not
giving up on them, no matter what happens this season. We are optimistic for
next season with high hopes for their successes. I can't be the only one with
these feelings. As long as they keep trying, I will as well. Go Jazzboys and
Coach Corbin! Make us proud!
Who cares?!Larry's gone; the Jazz of the past is kaput.It's only a matter of time till Greg and the Millers sell the franchise and
the team moves to a more profitable part of the country.But who
cares, really?Not I as well as thousands of other former fans.Goodbye, Jazz; and the NBA, for that matter.
That loss should be a tough pill to swallow. All Millsap had to do was miss the
second free throw and the game would have been over (barring some miracle full
court shot). Jr. Jazz coaches know this, so it amazes me that neither Corbin or
Millsap could figure it out. Unbelievable.
Sure Greg Miller. I would say it face to face. Ty Corbin appears to be in over
his head. I'm hopeful that will change. You have two power forwards (Millsap
and Jefferson) who can score, but can't play defense. You have a shooting guard
(Bell) who can't stay in front of anybody, and is shooting so poorly that he now
refuses to shoot. You've got soft players (other than Millsap) who find reasons
to miss rather than play games. You've got a GM who has missed dramatically in
evaluating talent. You have no outside shooters. You have backup point guards
who can't shoot. You've got problems, Greg.I'm curious to see how
you and your team address these issues in the off-season.
@BugoffYeah I agree with that. Wing shooting seems to be the biggest
concern. You can see how Big Al gets triple teamed by opponents.
Since Utah can't make the 3 ball, these defenders don't have to go back at their
man. Shooting a 3 is like a turnover for Utah. They are that bad. That doesn't mean get rid of your wings. Hayward's been like above 45% since
December and Miles is a good shooter but SERIOUSLY needs consistency. Bell's too
old to catch up again IMO.Maybe Jazz should get that 6'11'' guy who
plays the 3. That would be great, though he's another project.Kyle Irving
would be the best pick if they can trade for him. He can shoot, pass, defend,
and he's falling down in some mock drafts.
When Boozer, Korver and Brewer were here many fans complained about them. After
the Sloan retirement, some of the so called fans wanted to lynch DWill. Some of the fans are a major problem. Boozer, Korver and
Brewer were never going to win a championship for Utah. DWill might have but
more players were needed. In the long run trading him gave the Jazz the best
chance of building a contender. Wait and see who the Jazz get in the
draft. The Sloan approach of overpaying VETS who knew the system was
never going to work. The Jazz have to have better drafting, more talent and
cheap talent. That only comes via the draft. The Jazz have a new
business model and it will work. Better draft picks. Trading expensive VETS for
more high draft picks and going into the LUX tax. Then fill key positions and
some of the bench with the right VETs. After the draft the Jazz will
have as much affordable talent as any team in the West. Then it is a
matter of getting the talent to work together effectively. That should happen
next year. Greg is better than most small franchise owners.
I'll continue to support. There are plenty of patient Jazz fans out there. It's those whiney fans that used to complain about the Jazz never
winning a title. I used to tell them they were spoiled because they had a team
that would win 90% of their home games and have exciting playoff series every
year. But they kept whining. They are getting what they deserved.
Everybody needs to take a deep breath. Last year SA was struggling. This year
they have made the adjustments, gained chemistry and are dominant when healthy.
This year started with promise. About Christmas the wing shooting
deteriorated and it has been down hill ever since. That is fairly easy to fix.
Sloan was going to retire sometime. He choose to leave in the middle
of the year which pretty much guaranteed one of his assistants would replace
him.The DWill trade was difficult in the short run BUT DWill had a
max contract and has returned a top ten PG, Favors and draft picks. Utah is in a
position to rebuild. The Jazz could not get the right deal for AK. Memo was not
an option. But that improve next year.This is a rebuilding year and
it is the right time to rebuild (after Sloan left) before the lock out and new
CBA. The team still plays hard but they need practice time to fix
problems and some new players with different skill sets. A couple of
adjustments (can't be made until after this season) and the Jazz are right back