Utah Jazz: Difficult season continues to go haywire

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  • B Russ Ephraim, UT
    March 27, 2011 10:48 a.m.

    @ amgolfer

    Hey it's good to see that some fans can see the importance of defense and rebounding. Enjoy your posts, keep up the good work. Hoping to see the end of the double power forward no center experiment by next season. Small ball is dead.

  • Ak Fan Hamburg, GE
    March 26, 2011 10:32 p.m.

    Socol still in cold war. Can't stand by russians. Jealous little man.

  • amgolfer San Francisco, CA
    March 26, 2011 7:37 p.m.

    #B Russ-Sap at #3 has been an ongoing debate for the past two years. I mentioned this a while back and was shot down by most posters. General consensus was he is not quick enough to guard most athletic #3 in the league. They also said that most #3 are taller than him and will shot right over him...It's a thought and it would be interesting to get some input with that. If he could (big question is could) learn the #3 could this work? Doubts. Get a true C, AJ as PF with Favors getting significant minutes backing him and Paul #3???? I don't know. Paul is what 6'5" max??? It could work if he could work on the D aspect of things. He cannot guard bigs and it is proving to be a major liability underneath. Paul is quick on the offensive side but would need to develop better footwork on defensive end to guard athletic #3 in the league...Man if that could exist, wow....with a true C. AJ could also play C or Favors and then we have serious options we can play with. Hmmmm???

  • amgolfer San Francisco, CA
    March 26, 2011 7:29 p.m.

    @BRuss--I have been saying this for years and I'm very perplexed that a lot of fans don't get it. We cannot play small and bring a championship to Utah. We don't play D and the only thing Okur did was spread the Offense which was nice at times. He never played D and was not the big we need. Playing AJ and Sap will never cut it--way to small. Something has to change if we want to "compete" with the big boys in the league. We need a "true" C/#5 and AJ needs to figure out how to co-exist with him or get out of dodge and either bring someone else in (vet) or work with Favors (Sap-bench). I think Favors has an enormous upside to work with and I sincerely believe he will adapt to playing with a true #5. Now we can focus on other issues like #3/#2 and #1 (long-term-hey JazzCop back at it again:) b/c I don't think our current PG is necessarily the long-term answer. But I will give him a chance. Not a top 10 PG, though:)

  • B Russ Ephraim, UT
    March 26, 2011 6:43 p.m.

    When and if we get that defensive presence in the paint, the defense on the perimeter will show vast improvement because the guards can stay with their man without having to help the power forwards out so much.

    Another thing, I believe we would be better off to move Milsap to the 3 with Favors at center and Jefferson powerforward. It couldn't be any worse than what we are seeing now. We need a center to play center. Then I think everyone in Jazzville would be alot happier after seeing the results, especially the Miller family.

  • B Russ Ephraim, UT
    March 26, 2011 6:28 p.m.

    Captain L brings up a very good point. The turning point of the season was just before Okurs attempted comeback. Sloan wanted to insure Okurs spot in the lineup and busted up a very successful second unit that was defending and rebounding. Until then we were winning. Jerry was in the running for coach of the year. Fans were buying tickets. Fes was benched and the chemistry of the second went to pieces. It's been all down hill since.

    In todays NBA you have to have defense in the paint. You cannot compete with an undersized front line that cannot defend the painted area. This has been my gripe with the Jazz coaches and management for several years now. They are trying to compete with a poor defender in Al Jefferson, a power forward and a very undersized Paul Milsap who is also a power forward. Last year it was Boozer and Okur, again no defense in the paint. Small ball won't work. Even playing Fesenko was more effective than this even if he is a goof ball.

    The point is we need a long defensive minded center to defend the paint. Small ball doesn't cut it.

  • Sokol Las Vegas, NM
    March 26, 2011 3:47 p.m.

    Sorry to all you Pollyanna types, who probably are Miller plants...This team is a mess. One has to wonder, if Jefferson, a solid guy, has some curse hanging over his head
    Look Okur, Kirilenko, Bell, Fesenko, these names do not bring to mind a case for championship fever in Jazzland.

  • Silly Rabbit Magna, UT
    March 26, 2011 2:44 p.m.

    Any coach that comes in during the middle of the season especially to replace a hall of famer is going to struggle. All of the sudden Assistant Coach Corbin is handed a live hand grenade and is told here you go don't let it go off, and we expect him to carry the torch like it had been the past 23 years. Well Coach Corbin has been given a situation to fail, replacing Sloan, trading D-Will, a team riddled with injuries, the teams identity is gone it vanished with Sloan. Corbin has a tough task ahead of him, I for one think he is the right man for the job but we as fans, true fans need to relax and let it take its course. I hate to see the Jazz lose I always have ever sense they drafted Dr. Dunkinstien.

    Be patient we all know the outcome of this year already, even if they do make the play offs I doubt they will win the championship. So let them right the ship and lets get excited for next year. GO JAZZ

  • redcliffs Ivins, Utah
    March 26, 2011 2:00 p.m.

    This rebuilding process may take some time. The great teams in the west are still strong and there are some other up and comers so it will be difficult I think for the Jazz to even make the playoffs next year. I am thankful that we have a team though and I hope they stay here even while there seems to be some real band wagon fans ready to jump ship. We can all act like we could do a better job than Jazz management to fix what's wrong but don't kid yourself. Most of the people posting messages never played high school, let alone college ball and all of a sudden now know how to fix an ailing NBA team. But, it's fun right, I know I post my comments about what they should do and who they should draft but at least I'm not going to get upset if the Jazz don't listen to me. It just makes it fun for the fans and we are all lucky enough to live in a country where we can express our opinions (although Des News has to approve them) :)

  • amgolfer San Francisco, CA
    March 26, 2011 1:45 p.m.

    @ Anonigma--thanks for bringing up Irving. He would be a great addition in my opinion.
    @Bugoff--great post but not sure about our starting PG being a Top 10 in the NBA. I'm so glad we obtained Favors as I feel he can be huge for us long-term.

    March 26, 2011 1:04 p.m.

    Most of the comments here are on spot. I think the JAZZ are just JYNXED right now! Any coach in the NBA would have told MIllsap to miss the second free throw! Hornets didn't have any more time outs! HELLO! JYNXED!!!

  • scalman Temecula, CA
    March 26, 2011 12:17 p.m.

    Never forget that D-Will was probably not going to resign with the Jazz; Okur (when hitting his 3s) was an integral part in opening up Jazz offense near the basket; D-Will, when healthy, pulled out many a game with his 4th quarter jump shots and drives to the basket/free throws.
    Jazz management has done well this year preparing for the future. I like Hayward and Favors and I still think Fes will come around as at least a solid back-up center. The two draft picks next year might net the team a couple of excellent players, one of whom might be playing major minutes next year. Hopefully, that draftee will be someone who can drive and score or fake and pop a jumper consistently. Oh yeah, and play good defense, too.

  • cedar Holladay, UT
    March 26, 2011 11:58 a.m.

    it looked like it was longer than a second or so for them to make the basket. the length of the floor pass hit either one of our players or theirs and dribbled to the NO player and he jumped to make the shot. sure it was longer than just over a second and no one complained. look at the replay.

  • Captain L Provo, UT
    March 26, 2011 11:54 a.m.

    idjazzman: Good post!

    Locke posted about how things fell apart about Dec. 28th or sometime about then, if everyone can remember, that is about the time Okur started getting playing time and Fes couldn't get on the floor. I'm not say Fes is a great player but the defensive presence he brought to the floor is under appreciated. Fes has proven he's not working hard enough to earn minutes on the floor but I seem think we forget how good that second unit was playing in Nov & Dec and it was Fes that made the biggest difference. Defense has been the biggest problem since the first of the year. Rebounding has also been a big problem, Big Al & Paul haven't been getting it done. We have lost the rebounding battle alot of the times. I hope Corbin brings Favors along as fast as possible, we need his presence in the middle.
    Three point shooting is a problem and needs addressing but defense is the biggest problem.
    I think Corbin isn't sure what he needs to be doing, he is experimenting and isn't putting the right players on the floor together at the right times.

  • What in Tucket? Provo, UT
    March 26, 2011 11:52 a.m.

    I think the Jazz did very well to send Williams off. They should do well in the draft. I was amazed they got Jefferson. I think we need to be patient. A few players will be gone next year. I was hopeful for Hayward, but he needs to be more aggressive.

  • Sokol Las Vegas, NM
    March 26, 2011 11:47 a.m.

    What we are in the midst of one of the most dramatic collapses in NBA history.
    The team owner wants fans to not tell him what kind of mess he created after his father left.
    We have a GM that does not know how to draft....I think only Michael Jordan is worse..We have Gordon Hayward...aka Opie Milicic.
    Smallsap....and the always injured Russian Greg Oden-Marcus Camby also known as the 17 million dollar failure known as Andrei Kirilenko...How many games has this guy missed? He is worse than Boozer...No heart, no leadership. We keep this guy to screw up our financial flexibility because like Miles he has one good game than disappears when Masha shop is not doing well.
    We are the Utah Charmins of the NBA. The coaching, management, players and owner ship all stink.

  • cedar Holladay, UT
    March 26, 2011 11:35 a.m.

    that point guard from kentucky branden might be a better draft pick than jones from kentucky. was a neat game yesterday.

  • bgl Santa Monica, CA
    March 26, 2011 11:24 a.m.

    Although I agree with Earl's comments about professionalism and playing hard every night as being expected--I can't help but look to the game on Thurs against New Orleans and admire what the Jazz have. They fight. This group has plenty of character and they will win. Maybe not tomorrow and maybe not as soon as some fans would like, but I'm sticking with them. Except for one very sorry writer from Denver back in the Eighties--(who subsequently has his words stuffed back down his throat) nobody has seriously ever questioned the heart of this organization. It may sound trite and young people might have a hard time digesting this--but the old saying is true--the measure of a man isn't whether or not he fails--it's in whether or not he gets back up. Granted, I may be turning off the tube if games get ugly in the 4th quarter (I do that either way anyway)--but I won't ever give up on the organization, my Jazz team and my fellow (true) Jazz fans.

  • minmoplus2 Washington, UT
    March 26, 2011 10:59 a.m.

    What the heck is the matter with Jazz fans? Who needs you if you are not going to support your team when they are down. They are not trying to lose. They have struggled of late but as a team they are still trying. It is the fans that have given up. Some fans some of you are. Fair weather fans if you ask me. Stand by your team. This isn't Philadelphia or New York. This is Utah. A small market team with a limited income, but a team that has put the best team they can on the floor. You groused about Boozer and now he's gone. Trying to get better they brought in Al Jefferson. Too bad Deron Williams couldn't be more of a team player and a little more loyal. If he had indicated that he was going to re sign with the Jazz then they would have kept him and maybe things would be different. Oh well get over it. This is a team that is going to be better next year when they have had more time together. In the mean time. Grow up, show up cheer up.

  • idjazzman Pingree, Idaho
    March 26, 2011 10:32 a.m.

    I almost look forward to reading these comments more than the games and rarely do I miss a game. It kills me how the world is over for the jazz fans. You wanted more than a trip to the finals with Stockton to Malone. You wanted more than first or second round mediocrity. The jazz are trying to do something about this first or second rund exits and everybody wants it right now. It didn't happen for the bulls, lakers, or celtics overnight. If you want to get off the bandwagon then jump off now. Go and watch the lakers or somebody else. I am excited for the future of this team. I loved D-Will, but I love the trade more. Are we making the playoffs this year? No way. Pending if we even have a season next year we may not make them next year either. I still see the future as bright. The biggest things that make me laugh is all the armchair general managers that could do better. If you can then go and apply for the job. Prove you can do better. Pretty sure KOC don't read these for inspiration. Thank goodness.

  • HugMe Logan, UT
    March 26, 2011 10:07 a.m.

    Yes, it has been a difficult season and everything seems to be going wrong. But here are some bright spots:

    -Unless the new NBA agreement includes a franchise tag, the trade of Deron Williams was very wise. He wasn't going to stay with the Jazz. The Jazz are in rebuilding mode and that trade gave the Jazz a good PG, a very promising PF and two draft picks. Look what Cleveland got for Lebron by holding on to him.

    -With AK's contract coming off the books and two lottery picks, the Jazz have some flexibility.

    -This draft may not have the star power as other years, but there are some good players in this draft.

    -The jury is still out on Corbin, but I like him. Give him a summer to implement his playbook. I think the Jazz will have an exciting team to watch.

  • nothegame Saratoga Springs, UT
    March 26, 2011 10:00 a.m.

    You dont know what you got until its gone. Jerry was a good coach. Corbin is a good person but over his head. Why oh why does Rbell keep getting so many minutes its like Ty is scared of him saying something again. Please buy him out send him on his way. CJ i like everyone else see a lot of upside but how long do you have to wait for him. GH is way more athletic then he gets credit for. Please get a 2 guard that can shoot.

  • kallen001 Harrisville, UT
    March 26, 2011 10:00 a.m.

    Did I just hear Greg Miller stoop to the "say it to my face" line? Wow, nice to see that Jazz fans can look forward to an immature trust fund baby running things. Every owner in every sport gets negative things said about them, don't act like a girl Greg.

    As for the Jazz, just be happy that you have fans that care enough to say something. The question isn't can Jazz management bring in talent. It's keeping and cultivating talent. By my estimation O'Conner has only ONE first-round draft pick one the team since 2005, Gordan Heyward. When you bail on your last 5 first round draft picks in the NBA you become the Wizards!!! There is no excuse for the terrible turnaround on this team. Korver and Brewer are filling in fine on the Bulls, the the Jazz could have used them along with another two or three good players with the Kirelinko

  • wisdom of crowds vail, colorado
    March 26, 2011 9:55 a.m.

    you get what you focus on. no matter what. that goes for players. but it's true for fans,too. attacking your own team when it's down is counter-productive; and it speaks volumes @ character.

    there's a way to turnaround any disaster train, a way that turns down the volume on fan "hanger"(hate+anger) + skips all the sugar-coated happy talk. hopefully greg, ty & co. go get it.

  • Dolly Sandy, UT
    March 26, 2011 9:27 a.m.

    Maybe I'm just a funny little old lady, but I believe there are so many of us out here who still love the Jazz. We probably don't have a whole lot of technical basketball knowledge, but we agonize over their losses, worry about them with their injuries, cheer them with their wins, love to hear about their community involvements, miss them when they are gone, etc. etc. We are not giving up on them, no matter what happens this season. We are optimistic for next season with high hopes for their successes. I can't be the only one with these feelings. As long as they keep trying, I will as well. Go Jazzboys and Coach Corbin! Make us proud!

  • yarrlydarb Ogden, UT
    March 26, 2011 8:30 a.m.

    Who cares?!

    Larry's gone; the Jazz of the past is kaput.

    It's only a matter of time till Greg and the Millers sell the franchise and the team moves to a more profitable part of the country.

    But who cares, really?

    Not I as well as thousands of other former fans.

    Goodbye, Jazz; and the NBA, for that matter.

  • onewhoknows Providence, UT
    March 26, 2011 8:29 a.m.

    That loss should be a tough pill to swallow. All Millsap had to do was miss the second free throw and the game would have been over (barring some miracle full court shot). Jr. Jazz coaches know this, so it amazes me that neither Corbin or Millsap could figure it out. Unbelievable.

  • RBN Salt Lake City, UT
    March 26, 2011 7:01 a.m.

    Sure Greg Miller. I would say it face to face. Ty Corbin appears to be in over his head. I'm hopeful that will change. You have two power forwards (Millsap and Jefferson) who can score, but can't play defense. You have a shooting guard (Bell) who can't stay in front of anybody, and is shooting so poorly that he now refuses to shoot. You've got soft players (other than Millsap) who find reasons to miss rather than play games. You've got a GM who has missed dramatically in evaluating talent. You have no outside shooters. You have backup point guards who can't shoot. You've got problems, Greg.

    I'm curious to see how you and your team address these issues in the off-season.

  • Anonigma Murray, UT
    March 26, 2011 4:21 a.m.

    Yeah I agree with that. Wing shooting seems to be the biggest concern.

    You can see how Big Al gets triple teamed by opponents. Since Utah can't make the 3 ball, these defenders don't have to go back at their man. Shooting a 3 is like a turnover for Utah. They are that bad.

    That doesn't mean get rid of your wings. Hayward's been like above 45% since December and Miles is a good shooter but SERIOUSLY needs consistency. Bell's too old to catch up again IMO.

    Maybe Jazz should get that 6'11'' guy who plays the 3. That would be great, though he's another project.
    Kyle Irving would be the best pick if they can trade for him. He can shoot, pass, defend, and he's falling down in some mock drafts.

  • Bugoff Houston, TX
    March 26, 2011 1:57 a.m.

    When Boozer, Korver and Brewer were here many fans complained about them. After the Sloan retirement, some of the so called fans wanted to lynch DWill.

    Some of the fans are a major problem.

    Boozer, Korver and Brewer were never going to win a championship for Utah. DWill might have but more players were needed. In the long run trading him gave the Jazz the best chance of building a contender.

    Wait and see who the Jazz get in the draft.

    The Sloan approach of overpaying VETS who knew the system was never going to work. The Jazz have to have better drafting, more talent and cheap talent. That only comes via the draft.

    The Jazz have a new business model and it will work. Better draft picks. Trading expensive VETS for more high draft picks and going into the LUX tax. Then fill key positions and some of the bench with the right VETs.

    After the draft the Jazz will have as much affordable talent as any team in the West.

    Then it is a matter of getting the talent to work together effectively. That should happen next year.

    Greg is better than most small franchise owners.

  • JFFR Salt Lake City, UT
    March 26, 2011 1:56 a.m.

    I'll continue to support. There are plenty of patient Jazz fans out there.

    It's those whiney fans that used to complain about the Jazz never winning a title. I used to tell them they were spoiled because they had a team that would win 90% of their home games and have exciting playoff series every year. But they kept whining.

    They are getting what they deserved.

  • Bugoff Houston, TX
    March 26, 2011 1:47 a.m.

    Everybody needs to take a deep breath. Last year SA was struggling. This year they have made the adjustments, gained chemistry and are dominant when healthy.

    This year started with promise. About Christmas the wing shooting deteriorated and it has been down hill ever since. That is fairly easy to fix.

    Sloan was going to retire sometime. He choose to leave in the middle of the year which pretty much guaranteed one of his assistants would replace him.

    The DWill trade was difficult in the short run BUT DWill had a max contract and has returned a top ten PG, Favors and draft picks. Utah is in a position to rebuild. The Jazz could not get the right deal for AK. Memo was not an option. But that improve next year.

    This is a rebuilding year and it is the right time to rebuild (after Sloan left) before the lock out and new CBA.

    The team still plays hard but they need practice time to fix problems and some new players with different skill sets.

    A couple of adjustments (can't be made until after this season) and the Jazz are right back in it.