davidutefanWell said! I can't wait til August! GO UTES!
I'm sticking with 7-5. A rusty QB coming off an injury with two brand new RBs
and two new interior linemen (and their even greener backups)all learning a new
offense and playing in a new conference. Hmmmm, sounds like a lot of unknowns.
In the business world it's called "risk" and it all adds up. Now,
could the Utes put it all together and win the PAC-12 South? Sure they could.
But you folks who are used to 10 win seasons and think it will continue in the
PAC will have your expectations rudely adjusted. Arizona has been in the PAC-10
since 1978 and they still haven't been to a Rose Bowl (and they're a good team
too). Are the Utes a good program? You bet. They wouldn't have been invited
to the PAC-12 otherwise. I'll be rooting for them (except against Washington).
I'm wondering what universe all these trolls are in. Wynn is returning at QB in
a system that better suits him. Utah has possibly the best incoming RBs that
they've ever seen and new offensive linemen big enough knock guys on their cans
so the backs can run. Utah's behind where they want to be because the backup QBs
haven't caught to the changes yet. It's March 18th not August. I don't think the
Utes will go unbeaten but, they're surely good enough to do better than 17-16.
Even in Provo.
First off, I admit to being a diehard Cougar fan. But, I am at a loss to
understand the excitement over Norm Chow. If he is such a great offensive mind,
why isn't he still at SC, in the pros with the Titans, at UCLA or working as a
head coach somewhere? Second, SC and UCLA know his offensive scheme at least as
well as he does and how many times have the rest of the PACK seen it? It hasn't
proven to be something they need to fear so far. So, starting over with the
newts' "young quarterbacks" doesn't sound like the makings for a very
promising year. By the time conference games start, the rest of the PACK will
know they don't have to prepare for anything new.
people who continue to say that Utah doesn't have any money are not apprised of
the facts.Utah gets about 1.2 million this year from the Pac-12
because of the renegotiated deal that the Pac-12 pulled off for the championship
game and the increased games for next year with the addition of Colorado and
Utah.This money, by itself is more than Utah would have gotten from
the MWC had they stayed.I think Utah also has the ability to
negotiate for their own individual games, but, I don't know that for sure in
light of the expanded coverage deal.2012-2013: Utah will make 50% of
the Pac-12 distribution. Utah's portion is estimated to be 8-10 mill2013-2014: Utah makes 75%2014-2015: Utah gets full share.Obviously Utah is behind other Pac-12 schools from a distribution standpoint,
but, I somehow don't think football is going to be the step child of funding,
and it ramps up quickly.
Question? Who is tougher USC or Boise State? Who is tougher Oregon or TCU. I
think the big difference between MWC and Pac 10 is how good are the lower tier
teams. The upper tier Pac 12 is about the same as MWC. The lower teams in the
MWC are really really bad. In the Pac 12 there are really no easy games.Utah's weakness is the control room. The QB, we are in real trouble if Wynncannot step up to the plate and man up.
The [perfect storm: a new offensive coordinator,no qb experience, no running
back experience and you're moving to the pac, withoout any money! Good luck!
Jeff,I respectfully disagree about the defense not being as good as
last year. Here is my thinking. The D-line loses Sealver Saliga, but only him,
while everyone else gains a year of experience including Reilly as a pass rusher
and Shelby more fully recovered from his ACL. LBs will be much
deeper and athletic with Blechen moved to LB, and Hale and Fehoko coming off
redshirts. If JJ Williams can play that will be a huge bonus.Replacing the DBs will be a challenge. The key will be Keith McGill. He will
be a true free safety, which the Utes didn't have last year. Last year showed
how much the defense missed a guy like Robert Johnson, and from all accounts
McGill and incoming freshman Eric Rowe have the ability to cover for mistakes at
corner. Time will tell.
As a BYU fan I believe KW is a great coach. If he wants to wait to install
certain wrinkles that is a wise decision. I don't look through colored glasses.
I am very realistic in what I say. Wynn can't even throw until June. New QB's
need understanding of how to even play at this level. Very few can even dream
of playing as a freshman. As for the defense, it should be pretty good, but not
quite as good as last year. You lost a lot of key players on offense. Receivers,
RB's, That shoulder will take time even when it is healthy. The continuity for
offensive flow has to be a serious concern. I think 7 and 5 is very realistic. 8
is a plus. Except for one game I hope you have a good year. I worry about
injuries for you. Oregon and USC are cheap shot teams. The wrong injuries could
kill your whole year. The PAC is going to try to "put you in your
place". You don't bring a large stadium for revenue purposes. There are
NunyaYour from Sacramento? And you blast our community?
Flintrock; Good information here...as someone said earlier, sometimes
the term "rebuilding" can be overdone. In the case of an entire
secondary being new, it can also be a case of how well they play together (we
don't know yet). The play of the front seven also feeds into the equation. If
you get good pressure on the QB, you don't have to be as airtight in the
secondary. Also, what about the backups for rotation or additional guy for
nickel situations? All in all, Utah should be pretty salty on defense...but
we'll see. They WILL be tested.
Utah will have plenty of experience at Safety. Both projected starters are not
participating in Spring Ball. Keith McGill is a Junior College transfer and was
all everything with 7 interceptions last year. He's 6'4" and 210 with great
speed He will probably play free safety and take Tap Tap's place. The other
safety should be Greg Bird. He's the one who broke Shakey for his touchdown
against UNLV. Caused a fumble and recovered a fumble at AF. Blocked the punt on
the 3 yard line against SDSU to help us take the lead and recovered the shanked
punt against BYU to help Utah win that game. I think we'll be just fine this
year. Bird might be back for some of spring ball since he had shoulder surgery
in Jan. Ask who is the hardest hitter on the team and Bird and Blechen's name
are both mentioned. If you want to see some hard hits from last year, Google
Greg Bird hits on youtube and enjoy some monster whoppings.
CaptainCougarI agree but the mods choose to turn a blind eye to
their own rules. Every SammyG, Duckhunter, ChrisB or Hedgehog post is for the
most part a taunt and a bait. But heaven forbid you use a couple asteriks in
"I expect Shreve to be put in a position to challenge Wynn this
fall."So you're admitting that Wynn is not the shoo-in QB for
the season and his position is up for grabs. Well that's progress wedgie,
you're finally beginning to see how things are at the hill and how vulnerable
the Utes are.Without a driver this so called Fararri of a football
team everyone has said will do so good in the PAC-10.2 appears to already be
spinning out in the first turn.Nothing to pump the fans about in the
spring = problems. Welcome to a rebuilding season!And we all know
how Wynn performed against the teams that he lost to and we're to believe the
PAC-10.2 is a stronger conference with better teams and the Utes will just march
triumphantly to the Rose Bowl. That's a laugh!
Wish there was less BYU/Utah mud slinging and more conversation on this site...
That being said: I'm excited to see how the Utes do this year in the
Pac 10. If they can shore up the secondary, they have a nasty d line and could
be pretty good. My guess is that they come in forth in the Pac 12 south.. After
1. ASU 2. USC 3. Arizona... Its definitely a rebuilding year. Keep your fingers
crossed for the Vegas bowl. On a positive note, I bet Shreve beats
out Wynn and has a solid year at QB. That kid is going to be pretty good.
Re: Stuck in the 80'sYou retyped a quote from my post and misspelled
a word ? Has no one ever taught you how to cut and paste ?Search
for Dirk Facer's article on the Utes in the Deseret News on July 27, 2010. Both
quotes are from that article.
funny how the *SameLosingCommunity* team and fans don't see how they're starting
to make excuses already as to why they aren't going to be very good this
year...hahahaha, you won't hear that from BYU. wittenham & chao are
clueless to say the least. Good luck with that team from SLCommunity.
Re: AltaHawkFan:"The quotes came from the local papers here in
SLC...sorri not sure which." OUCH. Dog must have also eaten your homework.
There could be a whole bunch of holes in my logic. CAL can really play bad,
Washington can get hot, USC could fall apart, Arizona has to replace both
offensive and defensive lines, and you can never count out a Mike Riley coached
Oregon State team. The other thing to remember is that these are all kids that
are playing (big, fast ones maybe...) so no telling what happens. Welcome to
the PAC-12 where one week the team is the toast of the town and the next
everyone is down in the dumps and mad at the coach or referees. It's gonna be a
Re: DevilishuteThe quotes came from one of the local papers here in
SLC ... sorry not sure which. I believe they were both quoted at the media days
prior to the season.Btw ... the ute defense did not 'get it done',
and he should have been worried about a drop off. Their defense did not play as
well as the previous season which is what Burton was saying they would do. The
ute defense was worse in Total Defense and much, much worse in Passing Defense
(slipping from #16 nationally in 2009 to #73 in 2010). Replacing your entire
defensive backfield does not suggest that it will improve this coming year
@JeffreyslWhile they may be "criminals", and Utah falls
into this group too, there will nothing dysfunctional about Pitt under coach
Graham this year. Though he's never been much of a head coach, Wannstadt has
always been one heck of a recruiter. They have the talent, a number of good
QB's and will come out running on all cylinders with his "high-octane"
offense. It's going to be a tough game for the Utes.
@AltaHawkIt would be nice to know where these quotes are coming from
(what's the source document)? And for the record, Brandon Burton did "get
it done," to use Burton's words, against the kewgs last year.....Now to my comment - My primary allegiance is to Utah as I was
raised cheering for them. However, I went to grad school at ASU and I have had
season tickets there for the last four years. Despite wanting Utah to win the
South Division, I think it is more likely that ASU will win the division.jeffersyl is not that far off in his predictions for how the season will
go for Utah, in my opinion. I think 7-5 will meet my expectations and anything
beyond that will exceed them.
Re: Hedgepig'Unlike broco and the tds, the Utes don't over sell
themselves just to appease the delusional.'Sorry to rock your
rose-colored world but just a reminder from last year ..."Oh my
gosh. This spring ball was the best that I've ever seen our offense, ever. We
are completely loaded at every position. If you ask me to tell you our biggest
weakness, I couldn't tell you what it is because I don't know what it is,"
said senior center Zane Taylor, one of four Utes named to the MWC's
all-preseason team. "Offensively, I'm just totally excited to be a part of
it this season because it's going to be unlike any offense we've seen in the
last few years.""I feel real confident. The guys that we
have coming in are just as talented, if not more talented, than the guys that
left," said junior Brandon Burton, Utah's lone defender on the MWC
all-preseason team. "So I'm not worried about any drop-off really. I just
know we'll get it done. We've always got it done."
I think people overestimate the "rebuilding" process. There is always
turnover in college football. BSU and TCU last year were serious exceptions to
the rule.All teams have question marks going into the season.
Utah's big ones are secondary, RB, and QB. of the 3, QB is definitely the
biggest. I think the defense will be the best we've seen since the Sugar Bowl
and will cover for the offense while it gets going.Jefferysl, I
think you're pretty close on your projections, but, I'm not sure ASU will be
that good. I also think Utah will beat BYU. I think 8-4 or 9-3.
@jefferyslI like your assessment and I agree with most of your picks
but I see the magic number being 8. If we get 8 wins, I'd call it a successful
season that went according to plan. Any less than 8 would be considered a
disappointment, obviously the 7 wins that you predict wouldn't be a huge letdown
but I still say it would be a bit below expectations. Any wins above 8 are going
to be icing on the cake and would be a result of the team exceeding
Prognostication post part 27. at CAL. loss. (Tedfords a good coach, the
Bears have talent, they need a quarterback. At CAL so...)8. OSU. win
(Beav's are tough, but they're rebuilding. Game's at RES)9. at Arizona.
Loss. (Go either way. Foles is an outstanding QB with great receivers and your
secondary is green. It's at their house.)10. UCLA. win. (Slick Rick
New-Weasel and his circus meet disaster at RES)11. at WSU. win. (Dont
underestimate these guys. Tuel is a good QB with good receivers vs Utahs new
secondary. They also have no defense.)12. Colorado. win (I don't know
enough about these guys. Theyve a new coach. Looked awful at CAL but beat
Georgia last year. At RES and you're playing for a bowl).The Utes are
helped by avoiding Oregon and Stanford, They go 7-5 and bowling during a
rebuilding year. Not bad!
Checked Utahs schedule and who they have coming back. It's not too early to
think about 2011 prognostications. Here we go:1. Montana St. win2.
at USC. Loss (superior coaching can't beat SC's talent at home).3. at
BYU. Loss. (sorry, you're rebuilding, BYU isnt, it's at Provo, and theyve a
massive chip on their shoulder)4. Washington. win (it'll be at RES for
your home PAC-12 opener, a bye week to prepare, and you'll take your
frustrations out on my Dawgs)5. ASU. loss. (ASU is loaded , they win the
PAC-12 South).6. at Pitt. win. (Pitt has a new coach. Theyre a
dysfunctional team of criminals)Continued in next post:
Sounds like the U is going to be facing many of the challenges the Y did last
year. New QB's, many new and inexperienced starters and a relatively difficult
schedule to start the year. Not as difficult as BYU's was last year but enough
for them to start the season 1-4. The only good thing about that would be to
build charactar in the team and players...and the sound of a Yning hedgehogs
tears all the way from Michigan.
No hype. Just hard work. If you really understand the game you understand how
difficult it is to adjust, improve, adapt. That's what makes winning so
great...it's just so hard to do.
This is going to be a fun year for Utah fans! A lot of new faces on offense, a
lot of returning studs on defense. Plenty of question marks. But if I have
learned one thing, you just never underestimate Kyle Whittingham and his ability
to reload. GO UTES!
This offense has a lot of emerging weapons, it'll be fun to see Langi develop
over the years and a healthy Wynn means impressive numbers again. He'll do
better in a pro-style offense since he's not as mobile as a spread system needs.
With Chow and Whittingham working together, the U is going to have an impressive
UW fan here. It sounds like a rebuilding year for the Utes...I guess it depends
on how well the depth guys from last year and any new talent steps up. I do
think that Wynn will benefit from Chow's West coast hybrid offense. He's a good
passer and not a runner. It's a complex offense that depends a lot on reads of
the defense from both the QB and the receivers. It'll take time to master.
sammgy,Unlike broco and the tds, the Utes don't over sell themselves
just to appease the delusional.If you read Dicks article on the
kewgs you would have thought he was talking about the Auburn Tigers. Funny how
Dick can always be counted on feeding the piping hot cornbread after one day of
spring practice. Year after year after year....If Dick was rational,
he would focus in on how the tds will find a way to beat USU this year.On another note: Norm Chow recuited Shreve when he was at UCLA...I suspect he
secretly favors the kid and I expect Shreve to be put in a position to
challenge Wynn this fall.
um, just say it....chow and wittenheimer really don't have anything for the team
from SLCommunity. looking forward to seeing yutah lose all their games.
"Griff Robles and freshman Tyler Shreve are splitting the snaps."Oh no! A two QB system? Just kidding! Sounds like things
are progressing but the report just doesn't sound overly positive either.
Bridled optimism. Are the coaches preparing the fans for something less this
season?Doesn't sound 'Rosey'.