Utah Jazz future still bright

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  • sfbayutes Los Gatos, CA
    March 14, 2011 3:37 p.m.

    weedeater -

    At some point expansion has a diminishing rate of return. The ratings for the NBA finals are very much correlated to periods of highly recognized stars playing on big-market teams, see LA/Boston/Detroit in the late 80's and the MJ Bulls teams. When the finals take place with 2 small market teams (see Cleveland/San Antonio) ratings absolutely plummet.

    IMO, if the pro leagues limit their size they benefit over the long term. Expansion to a small market team may gain you a captive (but relatively tiny) audience, but no one outside of that market cares whatsoever. People will passionately follow teams in the big markets, whether or not they live there (see the 49ers, Lakers, Yankees).

    Market forces most likely mean that the Jazz are doomed to years of sub-par performance. I'm old enough to remember the years before Stockton/Malone/Miller/Sloan and it wasn't pretty - and that's probably where we're headed.

  • UncleArtie Brigham City, UT
    March 14, 2011 9:41 a.m.

    I, too, am optimistic and liked your article. Realistically, it will take awhile for the young Jazz to mature and produce. I hope they do not develop a losing mentality in the process, and that they are kept together.

    I hope the new CBA will make it more difficult for players to just get up and leave: Toronto, Cleveland, and Phoenix got skunked. The Jazz were lucky to get Big Al when Boozer left; the deal with NJ may have averted a disaster.

    The Jazz are in a 'Clipper-esque' situation now; hopefully, they will not degenerate into a farm club for big market teams.

  • louisiana jazz man Dubach, LA
    March 13, 2011 10:24 p.m.

    4 or 5 years of the same. next year jefferson millsap favors couple of draft picks that will take a couple of years. by then millsap jefferson ans favors contracts will be up couple of rookie contracts will be coming up for big money so a couple of players will have to leave. just a cycle of the same oh same oh. only way is if they trade their draft picks for help now. they won't do that it would be too much money they can play rookies alot cheaper

  • scalman Temecula, CA
    March 13, 2011 6:36 p.m.

    I, too, believe Corbin is the right coach for now because many people around the league consider him a top teacher of basketball and the Jazz are going to be younger soon and in need of lots of coaching.
    rvalens2...I like what you wrote, agree about Miles. I think he needs one more year with the Jazz...he could end up backing up Hayward at SG as the Jazz go bigger at SF with Tomic or someone like him. Hayward can play either position...he just needs to shoot a lot in practice for a long time to improve that part of his game.
    As for Fesenko, I simply want him to play lots of minutes for the rest of the year.
    JFFR...you're right about Ostertag and AK's long contract but you can't deny AK's special gifts. When he is on, I love watching him...and when he wasn't playing well, Deron Williams just couldn't do it all.

  • weedeater Murray, UT
    March 13, 2011 4:40 p.m.

    wrong, sfbayutes!
    "The reality is that professional basketball is better off without small market teams like Utah. The small market teams dilute talent while creating a limited national fan-base. The remedies for the lesser teams to gain parity are practically socialistic - the salary cap, franchise players, etc. It does nothing but enforce a predictably mediocre level of basketball".

    The socialist NFL model creates the OPPORTUNITY for ANY team in the league to go all the way (e.g.Green Bay). The socialist model spreads talent around which CREATES a broader national excitement about the sport which, in turn, enhances revenues for all by CREATING opportunities for truly national marketing.

    Your capitalist, survival of the fittest, athletic darwinism concentrates talent, as you said, into fewer cities and therefore an overall smaller fanbase (hence reduced marketing opportunities).

    Cooperation, as a strategy, will create opportunity for more people than capitalistic darwinism.

  • amgolfer San Francisco, CA
    March 13, 2011 4:29 p.m.

    @ Dolly--Darlin I hope you're right. I can't say anything regarding your post other than I HOPE you're right. I am trying to be as optimistic as you but it is difficult and right now I just can't share the same sediment regarding Corbin. Don't even get me start on the brass, aka KOC and Greggory.

    Again, I really do appreciate the optimism about the future of the Jazz organization. Go JAZZ.

  • The Great Houdini Rye, CO
    March 13, 2011 4:25 p.m.

    I would build around Jefferson,Millsap,AK (at 7-9 mil)Hayward,Favors and Harris,that`s my 6,Evans can dunk,what else can he do? Fes...I quess we`ll never know,Miles,taking up valuable minutes from Hayward.Watson,Bell,easily replaced,Memo I`d keep if he gets healthy,big if. That leaves us needing to fill the 2 and 5 spots,as I think Hayward will grow into a SF,and Jefferson is really more of a 4,although he can log minutes at the 5.Go Jazz,hopefully those picks work out,if not we are in big trouble

  • Dick of the NW Bainbridge Island, Washington
    March 13, 2011 2:02 p.m.

    It is so easy to critisize and find fault. Some here would pull the blanket over their head and go back to sleep and wait for the end to come. Hey, wake up folks this is the real world. Coach Corbin and KOC will work to figure this out. The "trade" had to be done. Now it is time for Jazz nation to support this work while the team works to get better. How is it we want perfection in our team when "we" are so imperfect. Yes it will take time. Won't it be more enjoyable if we support the team through this development. Remember how the draft choice of Stock was booed in the arena. You can bring positive energy to the work or just grumble because it isn't perfect. The more we support the team, the team will respond to the positive energy. Go Jazz!

  • Sokol Las Vegas, NM
    March 13, 2011 1:56 p.m.

    I think those miss Larry Miller are accurate. I do not believe he would have allowed the disjointed mess created by the lackluster KOC. Bring in the Mailman as GM

  • Teafortwo salt lake city, utah
    March 13, 2011 1:31 p.m.

    This article is optimistic to the point of delusion. With all of the stuff that has happened in the last month, it has been totally forgotten that the Jazz lost their MVP two years ago: Larry Miller. And now they have lost Jerry Sloan(and Phil Johnson). I am glad to see Tyrone get a chance, but he has some very rough times in store. And unless he can turn the thing around, I think it is quite possible that the Jazz will be gone in 5 years.....

  • JazzyMan Meadow, UT
    March 13, 2011 12:41 p.m.

    Some posters have short memories. For the last few years,the Jazz have continually gotten knocked out of the playoff race by the Lakers.The fans got sick of that and wanted changes.Of course,the changes most of them wanted was some simple recipe of instant gratification.In other words,lets all of a sudden sign a couple of real high profile names at high profile prices and see if we can't finally knock the Lakers out of the playoffs on our way to an elusive NBA title.Sorry folks ,it just doesn't work that way.Especially for a small market franchise like the Jazz.The Jazz and other small market teams in the words of one ESPN analyst must spend their money more wisely than larger more "neon-lighted" markets. And more truer words were never spoken.In order to turn things around and not just be another one-and-out playoff team,some moves and trades had to me made in order for the Jazz to ever have a chance at an NBA crown.Yes,it's tough,but look what Oklahoma City has done lately.Have a little faith and trust,fans.

  • Sokol Las Vegas, NM
    March 13, 2011 11:53 a.m.

    The excuses are over....As the coach said, they have chemistry issues..I think they need to scrap this team..Who is their leader? Kirilenko is just terrible for making 17 million dollars..Come on, who paid this guy? Who made all the bad draft picks? Who scrapped the team midseason? Who allowed the NBA's great coach to walk out the door? Who brought in the soft Euro's Giricek and Okur?
    Until the team cancer leaves, KOC, the Jazz are destined for Cavalier-like fame and fortune...I thought they were trying to prevent a Cavalier-like collapse, instead, they trashed one season, for another speculative season..Does this make any sense? Come on Kevin O'Connor is as ineffectual of a GM as Michael Jordan..

  • rvalens2 Burley, ID
    March 13, 2011 12:54 a.m.

    Here is why I think the future of the Jazz is bright.

    When the season concludes, the team is going to have picks, expiring contracts and money to add what they need ... a dead-eyed shooter and solid center.

    Here are the players I would like the Jazz to try and keep.

    Kirilenko (at 1/2 price)

    Who to trade, buyout or cut loose and why.

    Bell - Not what he used to be, though he is a coach on the floor.
    Okur - Too slow, injury prone and a poor defender.
    Price - Too poor a shooter.
    Miles - Too inconsistent, 1 in 5 games doesn't cut it.
    Fesenko - Too slow and stone handed, the Jazz need to get more athletic and Fes just doesn't fit the mold of where the team is likely headed.

    Of the above players Miles is the one the Jazz might consider keeping. He's still very young and might just develop the consistency needed. Though I have my reservations.

  • JFFR Salt Lake City, UT
    March 13, 2011 12:27 a.m.

    You forgot the #1 reason the Jazz's future looks bright:

    AK's contract is over.

    Two biggest mistakes the Jazz have made are giving AK a max 7 year contract and the Ostertag contract. I could argue that both cost the Jazz a championship.

  • kowen1208 Provo, UT
    March 12, 2011 11:30 p.m.

    Pathetic as the Jazz were when they went 26-56 several years ago, I still had tons of confidence in their ability to rebuild a team that could contend; and they did... briefly. This is the first time ever as a Jazz fan that I've felt hopeless about the team. Utah was on the rise with Williams and the pieces they were putting around him (Brewer, Korver, Matthews, etc.), and then they started deconstructing. Rebuilding again already? Really? When your star point guard is approaching the prime of his career? They made the mistake of signing AK for way too much; bite the bullet and suffer the luxury tax for a few seasons in order to keep the team intact, ticket prices high, and fans spending money. I can't even begin to describe the frustration I feel about O'Connor and Miller's decisions the last two years in the 200 words allowed, but suffice it to say that anyone who thinks the team is moving in a good direction lately or has a bright future is a blind fool.

  • Darius X Sandy, Utah
    March 12, 2011 11:26 p.m.

    Dolly, you might find it more rewarding to read, but that doesn't make it true.

    Losing Sloan has demonstrated how much the franchise was built on him and how much he got out of teams that weren't very good. Losing Deron as well, well, this team isn't going to be good for a long time.

    Watching Jefferson observe the other team score tonight makes it clear that he isn't an effort guy or leader.

    Early draft picks take YEARS to develop and young teams lose. The Jazz will be very young and will lose.

    Now, if the Miller family can keep the franchise stable while it grows up, then all the pain of getting thumped might be worth it. As a fan, I prefer realistic over rewarding.

  • sfbayutes Los Gatos, CA
    March 12, 2011 11:25 p.m.

    The Jazz enjoyed nearly 2 decades of success due to lightening striking not once, but 3 times with Malone, Stockton and Sloan. The odds of a small market organization building such a team again, with multiple superstars and a hall-of-fame coach who are willing to stay long-term in the relative backwaters of the league, are very small. The reality is that professional basketball is better off without small market teams like Utah. The small market teams dilute talent while creating a limited national fan-base. The remedies for the lesser teams to gain parity are practically socialistic - the salary cap, franchise players, etc. It does nothing but enforce a predictably mediocre level of basketball. Salt Lake is much better off as a college town - the Utes need more support and with it could be a perennial NCAA contender. The educated guess is that the Jazz will flounder badly for the next several years, attendance and fan support will tumble, and ownership will allude to lost profits and start to listen to attractive offers from cities elsewhere...

  • Dolly Sandy, UT
    March 12, 2011 10:26 p.m.

    Thank you, thank you, thank you! So much more rewarding to read of hope instead of the end of the Utah Jazz basketball world. Ty Corbin has responded with such dignity to the challenging cards he has been dealt. He will be a strong leader/coach/teacher, I truly believe that. Just give him time to get everybody grounded. Al Jefferson has single-handedly taken on the weight of this team. He will be the solid core to build around for next season. The youngsters show much promise/attitude/talent. Life will be good and they will make us proud. Believe it, expect it, realize it! Go Jazzboys! OK, that's the end of my rah rah for tonight.

  • Anonigma Murray, UT
    March 12, 2011 10:16 p.m.

    I vaguely rememeber another team that traded away its star and centered their franchise around Al Jefferson....

    I love Al, but this seems familiar...

  • josemb navotas, philippines
    March 12, 2011 10:02 p.m.

    a truly optimistic article. i for one have given up on the current jazz team for one reason; they don't/can't/won't defend. offense is ok. but they can't stop the other team. also, they can't seem to execute at the end of the games. a really far cry from the jerry sloan teams from the past. still, there's reason to be optimistic for the future. high draft picks, good young players... i just hope corbin can instill discipline and hard work to the players in the coming season. if we continue playing like we're doing now, we'll be in the bottom of the league in years to come