BYU basketball: UNLV's Tre'Von Willis still critical of Jimmer Fredette

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  • Spoxjox Redmond, WA
    March 10, 2011 4:32 p.m.

    Tre'Von, your comments are soooo hurtful and just plain mean. Jimmer will be sobbing into his pillow as his NBA paychecks clear, and you can be the baddest trash-talker working the gas pumps.

  • Alaskan Ute Fairbanks, AK
    March 10, 2011 4:18 p.m.

    Tre'Von...big mouth punk.

  • PerfectCougar Payson, UTAH
    March 10, 2011 11:42 a.m.

    Looks like crowntown1 got Jimmered!

  • The Rock Federal Way, WA
    March 10, 2011 11:41 a.m.

    Jimmer was the unanimous choice for conference POY. This means that Willis's coach voted for Jimmer.

    Tre'Von, put that in your pipe and smoke it!

  • PerfectCougar Payson, UTAH
    March 10, 2011 11:36 a.m.

    Based on the ongoing comments from Trevon(aholic)you have to ask more questions:

    1.Why does this reporter keep hurting Trevon by asking him his opinion? Clearly taking advantage of an immature young man.

    2. What kind of SAT scores allowed Trevon to attend a school of higher learning? Really! His actions and speech are bringing a poor light on that institution.

    3. When do you stop a one-sided fight, with Trevon beating the crud out of himself?

    4. When will UNLV and Lon Krueger step in? It is known that Billy White was not recruited to UNLV, (He is from Las Vegas), because he was convicted of a theft. If Krueger's standards are so high, why is 3von still on the team?

  • bikeboy Boise, ID
    March 10, 2011 10:53 a.m.

    Since Jimmer is winning all the "player of the year" awards, Willis is still going for "Mister Congeniality."

  • Griz Salt Lake City, UT
    March 10, 2011 10:33 a.m.


    old news people, nothing to see here, let's move along.

  • jimhale Eugene, OR
    March 10, 2011 9:49 a.m.

    I've only read the first two pages of comments here.

    But it looks like this guy's words DO have some impact. He did inspire Jimmer to excel in assists during their last meeting.

    Should his team use their home court advantage to beat SDSU, this article may inspire another icy stare.

    A great player has to have sound judgment on the central question of basketball (and many other court or field team sports): to shoot or to pass, to attempt to score or execute an assist.

    It seems to me that Jimmer excels on answering that the advantage of the team.

    But let's remember: basketball is as much a game of emotion (and emotional control) as it is skill or talent.

    Trash talk is par for the court.

  • Funkmeister Orem, Utah
    March 10, 2011 9:46 a.m.

    Dear Tre'Von,

    Abraham Lincoln related this:

    "Back in the days when I performed my part as a keel boatman, I made the acquaintance of a trifling little steamboat which used to bustle and puff and wheeze about in the Sangamon River. It had a five-foot boiler and a seven-foot whistle, and every time it whistled the boat stopped."

    Bustle, puff and wheeze all you want, but the results speak for themselves.

  • aggieblue Saint George, UT
    March 10, 2011 9:36 a.m.

    Clowntown: Perhaps you need to follow Pete Carroll's example and run from the Trojan programs. You know, OJ Mayo, football problems, who knows what the future holds for the Trojans. Also, how many "CAL STATES' are there? Seems like every town has one. All in all, the game is played by the players on the court and not by all of us commenting here. Can you imagine what that game would be like. Go Cougars and Aggies.

  • Warren Kay Holladay, UT
    March 10, 2011 9:28 a.m.

    The only merit may be that Jimmer could play a little more defense...

  • TheSpiker Alpine, UT
    March 10, 2011 9:20 a.m.

    HCB63 - "Willis is only making these comments [about Fredette] because it's the only way to get his name in the news."


  • Give Me A Break Pullman, WA
    March 10, 2011 9:15 a.m.

    I have to laugh every time I see this picture of Willis. Sorry. He really wishes he could compete against the tattoo-less pale Mormon kid. Chuckle, chuckle.

  • BP Salt Lake City, UT
    March 10, 2011 8:54 a.m.

    This kid cracks me up. He talks smack the first time, then he gets beat down on his home court. Then he talks smack a few more times before the next game, and then he gets beat down again. Now he's talking smack again...and he's not even going to get the chance to play BYU again because he's going to get beat down by SDSU.

    He gets an A for persistence, even if he gets an F for mental acuity.

  • Cougars1 Bluffdale, UT
    March 10, 2011 8:40 a.m.

    Hey Clowntown, are you aware that Cleaves won a National Championship? Nice comparison.

  • HCB63 Orem, UT
    March 10, 2011 8:26 a.m.

    Willis is only making these comments [about Fredette] because it's the only way to get his name in the news. That's all.

  • Herbert Gravy Salinas, CA
    March 10, 2011 4:30 a.m.

    If there is a Will-is, is there a way? Rave on, Tre'von!

  • Bronze Cougar Provo, UT
    March 10, 2011 1:05 a.m.

    WHY did Jimmer cross the road?........................

    Because he got tired of crossing over TreVon Willis :)

  • Max for President Brighton, MA
    March 10, 2011 12:31 a.m.

    Sweet. As if Jimmer needs yet another reason to spank UNLV. Keep yapping Tre'Von. You'll only go down in history for the guy Jimmer schooled. Twice. Three times? Lets hope so.

  • Stay the Course mona, ut
    March 10, 2011 12:06 a.m.

    anyone that gets that many tattoos shows they cant think very well

  • LivinLarge Bountiful, UT
    March 9, 2011 11:51 p.m.

    Considering Tre'Von has ONE double-double his entire college career, his bark is a lot worse than his bite...just sayin.

  • statman9 South Jordan, UT
    March 9, 2011 11:10 p.m.

    I want to see Tre'von score 40+ points in one game. Oh wait, I meant allow Jimmer to have another 40+ point game.

  • crowntown1 Corona, CA
    March 9, 2011 10:28 p.m.

    Re: Fruit Heights

    Not a Utah fan,alumni, supporter. Thanks!

  • Johnson72 Salt Lake City, UT
    March 9, 2011 10:21 p.m.

    Now Now, Let's all see if he can at least back or choke his own words 1st.

  • durwood kirby South Jordan, UT
    March 9, 2011 10:14 p.m.

    Sour grapes.

  • Jonathan Eddy Payson, UT
    March 9, 2011 10:13 p.m.

    that dude from UNLV- McDonalds

  • Veritas Aequitas Fruit Heights, UT
    March 9, 2011 10:10 p.m.

    crowntown1 | 6:59 p.m. March 9, 2011
    Corona, CA
    I will get on the Jimmer wagon if he LEADS his team to the SWEET 16. DEAL?

    And the rest of us will get on the Boylen Express when the Utes get to the sweet 16 too.

    Or the NIT.

    Or the CBI.

    Whichever happens first...

    ====Reality, Crown... You may or may not like Jimmer... Anyone who knows sports does... So, pick your side with those who know, or haters...

  • Penguin Inc. Salt Lake City, Utah
    March 9, 2011 9:33 p.m.

    Lady Tre'von is a great guy, and I love his name, it's great. I wish him the best in life.

  • JazzMan Centerville, UT
    March 9, 2011 9:03 p.m.

    Who cares what Tre'Von Willis thinks? Who's he and what has he accomplished?

  • CougarOnTheProwl Murray, UT
    March 9, 2011 8:56 p.m.

    Keep running your Mouth Tre'Von and Jimmer will just keep Jimmering everyone in sight. It would be great to see BYU vs UNLV in the MWC tournament championship, then Jimmer could deliver another knockout punch to Tre'Von and UNLV.

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    March 9, 2011 8:53 p.m.

    Why did Jimmer cross the road? Because he got tired of crossing over Tre'von!

  • treecaps22 Charlotte, North Carolina
    March 9, 2011 8:38 p.m.

    IS THIS GUY SERIOUS? Unbelievable! He's already been madE an absolute laughing stock due to hit comments before the first two games. Some national media even picked it up. This has to be one of the least intelligent athletes I have ever come across. INCREDIBLE. I hope he gets Jimmered again - one last time.

  • TwoCents Cedar City, UT
    March 9, 2011 8:38 p.m.

    What you talkin' bout Willis?!?

  • svutility Des Moines, IA
    March 9, 2011 8:18 p.m.

    I think Willis just doesn't know how to respect anyone, especially the people who outplay them. They just pick the next thing to talk trash about. Eventually people will get bored of him and move on. If he had ever brought his game to the table instead of his mouth against BYU I might actually care what he thought, but I'm officially "Willis"-ed out.

    Unless he can somehow outplay enough teams to earn the right to play against Jimmer again and then steal the show from him he might as well not exist anymore.

    The only difference between him and all the other Jimmer doubters is that he wears a jersey and gets to talk in front of a microphone. Other than that, he's just like all the others. Especially since Jimmer has made a living out of proving them all wrong.

  • SmoothWater Heber City, UT
    March 9, 2011 8:02 p.m.

    Some people never learn. He failed another IQ test.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    March 9, 2011 7:37 p.m.

    Clowntown...what's your beef, still mad about Prop. 8, the Honor Code or just hate good BYU basketball?

    Jimmer was 'knighted' twice in the past few days by CBS and SI as POY. He doesn't have to prove himself in a tourney for you or anybody else. He's been there and done that bub.

    Light a candle at the altar and chill out.

  • Ted H. Midvale, UT
    March 9, 2011 7:29 p.m.

    "He reminds me sorta of Mateen cleaves former MSU great."

    You are just like the little train that thought he could.

    I think I can I think I can.

    One of these times you're going to whip out a complete sentence that is grammatically correct and blow us all away.

    When you do, I'm going to "Recommend" your comment as a sign of congratulations.

    Make me proud bud!

  • Cosmo Springville, UT
    March 9, 2011 7:28 p.m.

    If you haven't heard it already, check out "Teach Me How To Jimmer" on Youtube.

    "POY's come and go, none of your business,

    Supposedly the best,

    Whatcha talkin' bout' Willis?!

    Don't be talkin' trash cause' you know that he's a winner."

    Jimmered 2x and looking for a 3rd!

  • kat Ogden, UT
    March 9, 2011 7:26 p.m.

    You're a fan of USC and call anyone a hypocrite???

  • haunyocker Springville, UT
    March 9, 2011 7:23 p.m.

    Maybe we should start calling Tre'Von Willis---Two'Von Willis since he can make threes the way Jimmer can. He ought to consider his own lack of defense since Jimmer dropped a big number games on him and his team.

  • crowntown1 Corona, CA
    March 9, 2011 7:14 p.m.

    Jimmer is a really good player but let's see him in tourney action before we knight him. He reminds me sorta of Mateen cleaves former MSU great.

  • md Smithfield, UT
    March 9, 2011 7:06 p.m.

    Whatchu talkin' 'bout Willis?!

  • DEW Cougars Sandy, UT
    March 9, 2011 7:05 p.m.

    that's all folks - go play ball in your yard trash talking at yourself!

  • crowntown1 Corona, CA
    March 9, 2011 7:03 p.m.

    I am an avid sports fan and have followed BYU athletics before. I mainly don't agree with the overhype of the teams each year or the fans. Just not my bag you know. I come from a family of Trojans and CAL STATERS so my opinion is usually biased. I don't agree with Utah fans either since they talk up every year on the D news.

  • crowntown1 Corona, CA
    March 9, 2011 6:59 p.m.

    I will get on the Jimmer wagon if he LEADS his team to the SWEET 16. DEAL?

  • MiP Iowa City, IA
    March 9, 2011 6:53 p.m.

    This Ute fan is not fooled with your smack, Tre'Von, Jimmer is not only the best player in the conference, he is the best college player in the country.

    He backs it up by how he plays...not how he talks.

  • crowntown1 Corona, CA
    March 9, 2011 6:49 p.m.

    Hey Ted H You live in Utah! Enough said! Where your life is a hypocrisy.

  • Swoop Salt Lake City, UT
    March 9, 2011 6:43 p.m.


    "Jimmered" has become part of today's lexicon. Deal with it.

  • TrollPolice Salt Lake City, UT
    March 9, 2011 6:41 p.m.


    Poor jealous troll. Get over your BYU hatred and find a useful activity to help you vent your anger doing something more productive than spamming BYU articles.

  • fresnogirl Fresno, CA
    March 9, 2011 6:41 p.m.


    I see your back on Troll Patrol. Ya gonna wonder why everyone thinks your anti-BYU again? Try cheering FOR a team (any team) for a change.

  • Ted H. Midvale, UT
    March 9, 2011 6:36 p.m.


    Appears to me Jimmer will keep tormenting you while you sleep. I'm glad the power of the Jimmer has had such a profound impact on you too bud.

    Want to get together and watch Jimmer highlights and maybe even some of his home videos sometime?

  • Tommy2Shoes Lehi, UT
    March 9, 2011 6:31 p.m.

    Yup, Jimmer sure is overrated by almost everybody in the world, but not in Vegas. UNLV probably has a class with college credit on trash talking. Willis has to get his garbage in the newspaper, on-line and on the lips of his fans or he doesn't pass the class and won't graduate. So far he's only figured out that picking on the short, slow and untalented white kid gets him press. Now you'll have to put your money where your mouth is TW. Let's hope those two you'd have voted for school you on Friday on your home court.

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    March 9, 2011 6:24 p.m.

    Crowntown1, your speech is slurring there buddy, you okay?

    So once more, just for the record, I have enjoyed TW's tremendous defensive performance against Jimmer so far.

    Hard to jump, bro, with one foot firmly stuck in your mouth. All the way up to your hip.

  • Ted H. Midvale, UT
    March 9, 2011 6:21 p.m.


    Let me copy and paste what I said earlier about Willis and it applies equally to you.

    "It appears to me Willis(in this case crowntown) needs to spend a little more time on his English homework and a little less time worrying about Jimmer.

    Maybe you and Trevon could get together and help each other out? Whaddya think?

  • HaHaHaHa Othello, WA
    March 9, 2011 6:21 p.m.

    This guys a total punk. Sadly this is what modern day basketball has degenerated into, a bunch of trash talkers, who's theory on basketball is running your mouth, and hands-on defense, as opposed to foot-work, position defense. Jimmer is a breath of fresh air, in a game thats long since lost most most of its glory and real tradition.

  • JSB Sugar City, ID
    March 9, 2011 6:13 p.m.

    I love college sports. It reveals character. It develops good sportsmanship. It seems to bring out the best in both the participants and fans. Such an accurate reflection of our society.

  • crowntown1 Corona, CA
    March 9, 2011 6:10 p.m.

    Thank god we won't have to hear you guys saying Jimmer anymore.

  • Jmado Vista, ca
    March 9, 2011 6:07 p.m.

    Tre'Von's attempts at intimidation, apparently are not working. In fact, he's coming off sounding like a whining teenage girl. Grow up, Mr. Willis.

  • crowntown1 Corona, CA
    March 9, 2011 6:03 p.m.

    This year will be one of the worst NBA drafts in yearsssssssss experts are saying.

  • crowntown1 Corona, CA
    March 9, 2011 5:58 p.m.

    Wow Fredette can shoot 4o times a game and score a bunch of points. He plays soft defense and wants makes slow and sometimes bad passes.

  • CA. reader Rocklin, CA
    March 9, 2011 5:48 p.m.

    Tell me if you have heard this one:

    Why did Jimmer cross the road?

    Because he got tired of crossing over on Tre'Von Willis.

  • American First Merced, CA
    March 9, 2011 5:43 p.m.

    Somebody doesn't like the White Boy.

  • Big Hapa Kaysville, UT
    March 9, 2011 5:24 p.m.

    LOLOLOL Tre Von please keep talkin cuz it is hilarious watch-in the beat down, from the Jimmer Show brought to you by the inspiring words of " What u say Willis " yes please keep on talkin.

  • Greg Bennett Herriman, Utah
    March 9, 2011 5:18 p.m.

    Willis, I don't ever remember (anyone) ever making the comment; "you've been Tre'Von(ed)." Just Jimmered! Which you yourself have already been twice 'Jimmered' this year.

    Once embarrassed, a problem. Twice, pitiful!! Especially when you keep opening your mouth. It is my suggestion that if you want to keep talking trash, keep your foot inserted so no one can understand how incredibly naive your comments really are.

  • In My Humble Opinion South Jordan, UT
    March 9, 2011 5:15 p.m.

    Whatch you talkin' 'bout, Willis?

  • Big Hapa Kaysville, UT
    March 9, 2011 5:13 p.m.

    Willis should keep talking it seems to work out just fine for Jimmer !!! This is proof positive that Karma always wins brutha.

  • beetdiggingcougar Provo, UT
    March 9, 2011 5:08 p.m.

    What'chu talkin' 'bout Willis? I hope those awful UNLV fans pour beer on themselves this time around. Then we never have to play them again!

  • Holiday St. George, Utah
    March 9, 2011 5:08 p.m.

    Trevon Willis= 3.4 assists per game
    Jimmer Fredette= 4.3 assists per game

    So what in the world is Willis talking about not passing?

  • Where's Stockton ??? Bowling Green, OH
    March 9, 2011 5:02 p.m.

    Trevon Willis Who??? Sure a lot of noise coming out of some guy who failed to show up twice and backup everything he said before. Absolutely someone with no substance and just about as lacking in talent as well. Trevon ended up lost in space when he realized that nobody was listening to him the first two times. Sure won't be a lot paying attention this time too. Talk is cheap... but ranting is so self delusional.

  • Fataai Ogden, UT
    March 9, 2011 4:59 p.m.

    Well typical ghetto action...heaps and heaps of's a wonder that UNLV can even put up with this kind of trash talking from it's star player who can't seem to meet even his own low expectations. Tre'Von who??

  • cindyacre Shelley, ID
    March 9, 2011 4:56 p.m.

    Well, it is obvious which athlete has more class.

  • chase SL Salt Lake City, UT
    March 9, 2011 4:56 p.m.

    Willis is one of those guys who hates his own shadow. I know him very very well.

  • What in Tucket? Provo, UT
    March 9, 2011 4:53 p.m.

    TreVon is a great player, but maybe not good enough for the NBA. Jimmer as coach says is a relentless scorer, but certainly does not forget about his teammates. Just hope he saves some of his first contract money. I am excited to see what he can do in the NBA. A once in a generation player.

  • The Rock Federal Way, WA
    March 9, 2011 4:52 p.m.

    Theodore Roosevelt: Speak softly and carry and big stick.

    Tre'Von Willis: Shot your mouth off and carry a wet toothpick.

  • AZ Dave Chandler, AZ
    March 9, 2011 4:49 p.m.

    What you talken 'bout Willis. I don't know which is worse, Jeff Call man crush of Jimmer or Tre'Von lack of class. This will never get posted

  • firestorm Lehi, UT
    March 9, 2011 4:48 p.m.

    Why does this remind me of the Black Knight in Monty Python's "Search for the Holy Grail"......

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    March 9, 2011 4:47 p.m.

    Willis is certainly jealous but to tell you the truth I love this kind of stuff. It is similar to wedgie and chritina spouting nonsense and then having it backfire on them. That happens far more than they are ever correct just like with willis here.

    Lotsa fun in my opinion so I hope he keeps it up.

  • Veritas Aequitas Fruit Heights, UT
    March 9, 2011 4:46 p.m.

    Solomon the Wise | 3:06 p.m. March 9, 2011
    Alpine, UT


    Beautiful post.

    Thanks for the bulletin board material. Now we know that Jimmer will step it up against Tre' Von (if Tre' Von can get that far).

    I do agree with the racist statement. I wonder how he would feel if Jimmer wasn't a white kid from BYU?

    Seems like Jimmer has proven Tre wrong.

    What will it take for Tre to man up, and respect Jimmer?

  • nottyou Riverton, UT
    March 9, 2011 4:30 p.m.

    Dumb as a bag of hammers.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    March 9, 2011 4:19 p.m.

    how dumb is this guy?? I mean bad mouthing the top scorer in the nation that lit UNLV up many times is really really dumb. It's like a pitcher that bad mouths a hitter that has rung him up time after time with home runs. DUMB.

  • TruthBTold SLC, UT
    March 9, 2011 4:13 p.m.

    Sounds like someone didn't learn anything from Amare's trap-opening experience on Twitter...

    ...let's see, get scored on by 30 & 29, then keep on yapping... so, "whatcha talkin' 'bout Willis?"

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    March 9, 2011 4:09 p.m.

    Is Tre'Von from Ann Arber or SLC? I doubt BYU plays UNLV again as Mr. Willis can't carry his team past the Aztecs like Jimmer has.

  • Hunt Spanish Fork, UT
    March 9, 2011 4:07 p.m.

    So I wonder what Tre'Von Willis is going to say now that Jimmer is getting POY and 1st Team All-American accolades from the likes of yahoo, Fox Sports, CBS Sports, and Sports Illustrated? Is he going to say they are wrong too?

  • Pavalova Surfers Paradise, AU
    March 9, 2011 4:03 p.m.

    With the complaints of lack of defense from Willis, how'd he fare against Jimmer? Talk about not playing defense. Come on Tree-von...if you're gonna poke a stick at not playing defense, shouldn't you play defense yourself?

    At least hold Jimmer under his average...or under 20 pts. Definitely jealous of Jimmy-chocolate.

  • DEW Cougars Sandy, UT
    March 9, 2011 4:00 p.m.

    Tre'Von who?

    Poor kid, when is he going to close his mouth when he plays the game?

    Talking won't do any good when you are not on the playing field.

    Grow up Tre'Von who.

  • 93 COUGAR Orem, UT
    March 9, 2011 3:55 p.m.

    Who cares what that clown thinks?

    After this week no one will remember his name.

    Jimmer will live on....

  • Independent Henderson, NV
    March 9, 2011 3:51 p.m.

    Classy guy that Tre'Von Willis.

  • fresnogirl Fresno, CA
    March 9, 2011 3:50 p.m.

    Somebody sounds jealous....

  • Johnny Triumph American Fork, UT
    March 9, 2011 3:49 p.m.

    At least he's still talking...even if he's not all that. Jimmer might be a bit slow on defense but he makes up for it on offense.

  • TJ Eagle Mountain, UT
    March 9, 2011 3:42 p.m.

    Nothing worse than a big mouth that can't back itself up. This guy has absolutely no class. Maybe he can join troll 1 and troll 2 on the DN BYU article commenting. They could be the 3 stooges. He fits the mold. Jealous, obsessed and unable to walk the walk.

  • Tom in CA Vallejo, CA
    March 9, 2011 3:40 p.m.

    Oh, and one other thing:

    Racist. And good luck against your buddy on Friday.

  • Ted H. Midvale, UT
    March 9, 2011 3:39 p.m.

    Correction I will point out:

    Willis said:

    "What people don't realize is he don't want to pass the ball. He don't want to get no assists,"


    "doesn't want to pass the ball. He wants to shoot the ball every single time"

    I'm curious who translated this from the Deseret News?

    I'll reiterate what I said before. It appears to me Willis needs to spend a little more time on his English homework and a little less time worrying about Jimmer.

  • Fanofthegame2011 North Las Vegas, NV
    March 9, 2011 3:38 p.m.

    It is too bad he can't leave the talking for the court. He is a talented player who apparently, in his mind, is not receiving enough attention on the court so he feels the need to turn to the media off the court to get it.

  • Shaden Lincoln, NE
    March 9, 2011 3:38 p.m.

    Yes, Tre'Von...seeing Jimmer beat you and UNLV is "nothing but fun."

    Great article, Jeff!

  • Tom in CA Vallejo, CA
    March 9, 2011 3:30 p.m.



  • JustintimeY Boise, Id
    March 9, 2011 3:24 p.m.

    Tre little 'von is writing checks that his body can't cash.

    Tre'von is the one that may want to work more on his defense, any time you give up 39 and 29 to the same player you my want to talk quit and carry a big stick like the Jimmer.

    Would love to see round three but I expect to see San Diego take care of the all hype and no substance Tre'von!

  • Resolute Voice Salt Lake City, UT
    March 9, 2011 3:20 p.m.

    Score Board! Have a seat Tre'Von.

  • Andermart Pullman, WA
    March 9, 2011 3:18 p.m.

    Is there a story here? I can't think of one person who cares what Willis thinks. Dumb.

  • Riddles in the Dark Olympus Cove, Utah
    March 9, 2011 3:17 p.m.


    This is just the setup.

    The point will be made when Jimmer takes the court in Las Vegas!

  • thelogicalone salt lake city, UT
    March 9, 2011 3:14 p.m.


  • Doug10 Roosevelt, UT
    March 9, 2011 3:12 p.m.

    is there a point to be made here?

  • Solomon the Wise Alpine, UT
    March 9, 2011 3:06 p.m.

    Tre'Von obviously hasn't learned that...

    "You don't tug on Superman's cape / You don't spit into the wind / You don't pull the mask off that old Lone Ranger / And you don't mess around with Jim ...mer"