"Of course it won't look good losing to BYU on national tv as a non-conf
will it? So I guess in a way I agree with you... and that's probably a
first"Sammy, Glad we can agree.Just ask
Saban if he'd like to play Alabama St. on an annual basis...probably not.
"Does Utah have concerns in 2011? YES."Well uteo that's a
tremendous step for you isn't it? My point being made."Does BYU
offer enough upside to warrent being on Utahs schedule? I don't think
so."Full of yourself, hedgie? That game is bigger than a good
majority of what the Utes will play in the PAC-10.2, money wise and exposure.
Of course it won't look good losing to BYU on national tv as a
non-conf will it? So I guess in a way I agree with you... and that's probably a
first. On the other hand as BYU's schedule improves (aka SOS) with
the help of ESPN partnerships it could prove quite valuable IF the Utes can win
in the future.
re: Just the FAX | 10:32 p.m. March 9, 2011 "Utah fans are
totally obsessed with BYU, even when the Utes aren't playing BYU."The obsession is mutual.
WA-Ute,A total agree with you "BYU is just another Non
Conference game".Just like Montana St ect...The tds
should be iternally grateful Utah threw them a bone in their time a desperate
need.Going forward I hope Dr. Hill eliminates this game from the
Utes schedule. As an elite conference memeber of the PAC12, one must chose its
non-conference games very carefully. Does BYU offer enough upside to warrent
being on Utahs schedule? I don't think so.Y put the Utes in a
position to play in essence a "practice" game for the Utes againts a
school who's entire season rides on it? It's just bad business.Utah
now holds the dominate football position in the state of Utah....Y risk playing
the downtrodden underlings... only bad can come of it.
RedfeatherActually, most of us Utah fans do understand that Utah is
viewed as a Mormon school and we get plenty of flack for it.The
first thing I heard when I got out of my car at the TCU game in '08 was,
"Go home you (blank) Mormon)," yelled from a parking garage a block
away.I also spent some time in Tucson, when the whole student
section chanted anti-Mormon slurs during a the '04 season.So I don't
think it is going to be that big of a change at all.
@sammyg"You can talk all the smack you want but by September
the Utes will be again in that all too familiar fetal position."Yes like USU 38 BYU 16. Ooops that you.Utah lost to 3 teams: #2,
#9, #27BYU lost to: #108Does Utah have concerns in 2011?
YES.But then again we could it be worse, we can be in BYUs shoes...Hasn't won a non MWC final ranked team since the 90s.Hasn't played
in January in 15 yeas.Hasn't had a undefeated season in 26 years.Used to have players like Steve Young... now they have Max Hall.Used to
put more players in the NFL... now its Utah.Used to talk about joining a
PAC-10... passed over for Utah.Ron McBride:"In the
early years, I think BYU felt that they had outgrown the conference and their
people were talking about how BYU would go to the Big 12 or the Pac-10. They
used to come into the Utah game always talking about who they would be playing
in their bowl game.... When we started beating them, they stopped talking about
their bowl game.
"BYU is just another non-conference game to me now, a non-AQ team at
that."Sure it is!Utah fans are totally obsessed
with BYU, even when the Utes aren't playing BYU. Losing to BYU will
always hurt 10 times worse than losing to any PAC 12 team.
WA_Alum&Dad | 11:38 a.m. March 9, 2011 Marysville, WAYou
do understand that the University of Washington has one of the worst BCS
football teams in the country, right? Only Washington State is worse.
MiPProjecting next season's SOS based on last season's records shows
just how little you know about college football.Teams like Florida,
Texas, and Oklahoma can go from having a losing record and no bowl game one
season to national championship contender the next season.And, it
can just as easily go the other way with a national championship contender
having a break even or losing season the next year.btw, people will
remember that 7-47 meltdown against TCU in the biggest game in the history of
Utah a lot longer than they will Utah lucky win over BYU. Not to mention Utahs
embarrassing losses at Notre Dame and in the Las Vegas Bowl. The
nation was watching in all three of those games, and Utah laid a dinosaur-sized
egg in all three.Most fans outside of Utah couldn't even tell who
won the Utah-BYU game.
BYU is just another non-conference game to me now, a non-AQ team at that. I'm
looking forward to bigger and better things. Hopefully Ute fans will move on as
well and let the BYU fans rant and rave all they want........from the little
Mippy... you seem to think that I'm comparing BYU to Utah in all things, far
from it.I remember very well the last six games the Utes played,
watched them all. Call me a closet Ute fan if you will. There were problems in
every one of those games for the Utes.AFA, exposed and almost beat
the Utes.TCU, totally exposedND, the luck of the Irish and a bench
QB miracleSDSU, a come from behind lucky winBYU, one play, a twist
of fate.BSU, say what you want.So when I say the Utes had
difficulty against winning teams you should truly understand the spirit of what
I'm saying. So your stat of 4-3 does not really reflect the 'difficulty' factor
I was referring to.So with those last 6 games you feel the Utes have
some real momentum going into a stronger conference this season? I'd say there
are some concerns.So don't try to compare apples to oranges, this is
not about comparing BYU to Utah except for that one special game this
September.September can't come soon enough!
"I don't know squat about Rugby, are there other examples of a player who
came from that sport that excelled in college football?"Does
the name "Morgan Scalley" ring a bell? Two-sport high school athlete:
Football and National high school championship rugby player. "Palamo:
Two-sport high school athlete: Football and Worlds youngest player to play at
Rugby's highest level. He's the real deal...just have to see if he can find
himself at the next level.
correction: BYU's 2011 schedule has 8 teams with losing records in 2010.
sammyg soundbites:"So let's be honest, if you don't like a comment,
simply state so but arguing against facts makes you look silly."I think I'll give it a try."It won't be a cupcake season like
you're used to and that's my point. Utes did not do well against teams with
winning records and that's a fact or do I need to remind you?"Utah's 2010 record vs teams that finished with a winning record: 4-3BYU's 2010 record vs teams that finished with a winning record: 2-5BYU's
2011 schedule has 8 teams that had losing records in 2011, 4 that had winning
records (and that includes TCU in [place of LA Tech)."Those
last 5 games were very different and by the way, a season is often remembered by
how it finished."You're right. People will remember the
"block party" for years to come."You can talk all the
smack you want but by September the Utes will be again in that all too familiar
fetal position."Utah's record in September from 2008-2010 seasons:
12-1.sammyg, keep up your passion!
IbleedCrimson, a good example of a great rugby player that turned out pretty
good at football is Highland's own Haloti Ngata.
Sammy G is immature. Don't criticize grammar or punctuation on a comment board.
This is not a term paper. Relax! Your cougars will be fine. My Utes will be
The key to success in 2011 is JORDAN WYNN. Kyle has put all his eggs on Wynn and
I for one think its the biggest mistake of his coaching career. Its not IF Wynn
goes down its WHEN he goes down. Wynn lost the team at the end of last season
with his poor play and can't take a hit fact. Can he get it back? Only if Utah
runs the ball 70% of the time and he only has to hand off the ball and not pass
it. The receivers gave up on Wynn. Ball to high, Ball to low. Pray for Utah.....
They are going to need it. With his shoulder injury he will be even more
paranoid about getting hit. Could be a long year
I have to wonder what the Chow/BYU relationship is and for that matter the
Edwards/Chow relationship. I have heard rumors that Chow is sour on both but
rumors are seldom close to the truth.
Season tickets now require a large donation. Totally worth it. The crowds will
be there. Can't wait to see the likes of UCLA, USC, Cal, Oregon coming to SLC.
re: WA_Alum&Dad | 3:24 p.m. March 9, 2011 "My point was all
about the PAC fans. For the first time, Utah's fan base is going to feel what it
is like to be treated like a hillbilly at a society wedding. You've dished it
out for years; will you be able to take it?"Yeah. The Utes and
their fanbase have NEVER been looked down upon. Cough tds cough. Its the fans of
the war kittys that have a hard time not being the "big fish in a small
pond", seeing someone else succeed, or dealing with a contrary opinion.Truthfully, Interesting analogy. Let me counter by saying that Country
Club Republicans seem to like Sarah Palin. So, I think the U will be just fine.
What most Utah fans don't realize is that in many places in PAC 10 country, Utah
is viewed as a Mormon school, not much different than BYU.It'll be
interesting to see how the Utes react when they're subjected to anti-Mormon
slurs when they're playing on the road.
WA_Alum&Dad"You should hear how local sports radio and the
fans already talk about how badly they did bringing in UU into the PAC."That is 100% false......I listen to 710 ESPN & 950 KJR (the 2 major
sport stations in Western Washington) daily and have not once heard a local host
say anything ill about the Utes joining the Pac-10.......nice try though.
@Ibleedcrimson | 1:03 p.m. March 9, 2011 "please link some of your
material"The fan comments are easy to find--look on any of the
PAC-10 fan sites. I wish I could link some of the stuff said on KJR or 710 AM,
our local sports stations the week of the announcement, but um, most sports
radio stations don't transcribe their broadcasts. But you won't have to take my
word for it. Soon you'll get to experience it.My point was all
about the PAC fans. For the first time, Utah's fan base is going to feel what
it is like to be treated like a hillbilly at a society wedding. You've dished
it out for years; will you be able to take it?
"frothing at the mouth" is what hedgehogs do when confronted with
anything positive about Cougars.
sammy,You seem to be frothing at the mouth in a manic state of
bitter jealousy - aren't you.It's like you see the acronym PAC12 and
fall to the ground in a temper tantrum....sounds like someone needs a time
utahcountytraitor...You know I simply makes some relevant comments
to the subject at hand and you go off topic. So to indulge you...The
first games last year were from a team with an idiotic two QB system and a bunch
of green players as you well know. Those last 5 games were very different and by
the way, a season is often remembered by how it finished. How was that Las Vegas
Bowl, how did that work for you?You can talk all the smack you want
but by September the Utes will be again in that all too familiar fetal
position.If it wasn't for those 3 games last year... EXPOSEDSo this fall the Ute schedule is going to be easier than 2010? Right, it
is and you're going to win as many if not more games in a tougher conference and
with with Wynn. uh huh, yeah, I get it.
"The Utes better keep it close, because if the Utes lose at USC like they
did at Notre Dame, lots of questions will be raised about whether the Utes
should even be in the PAC 12."Fair enough, but in reality they
have nothing to prove outside of the realm of public opinion. They are not on a
trail basis, it's not like they will rescind the invite if they don't win. It
may very well require a few years to acclimate to the new confernece, Ute fans
need to be patient.
Sammy"Utes have some problems this year like... lost a good
deal of depth with players graduating"Interesting that you did
NOT mention the players declaring early for the NFL. hmmm. My guess is that
would look too favorably on the Utes for your taste and you would not want that
to happen. The Utes have dealt with this every year. Nothing new.Also, you mentioned how the Utes did against teams with a winning record. I'm
sure you realize that byU was one of 4 wins that USU had..right? Too easy.Can't wait for that game in September.
"The U does not rest on their laurels, focus on the glory days 20 yrs ago,
..."That's because the U doesn't have any glory days to
remember and only a couple of laurels to rest on.The PAC 12 isn't
going to be impressed until the Utes actually accomplish something in the PAC
12.The Utes better keep it close, because if the Utes lose at USC
like they did at Notre Dame, lots of questions will be raised about whether the
Utes should even be in the PAC 12.
"Thretton Palamo play rugby in Las Vegas, and I will tell you what, if he
is even half as good at football as he is at rugby, then look out."I don't know squat about Rugby, are there other examples of a player who
came from that sport that excelled in college football?
Can't wait for this season to begin.I'm not sure how many wins the
Utes will end up with, but I think they will have enough to be bowl elligible
and they will continue to build from there.The jealousy from coog
fans is music to my ears though. Keep it up sammyg - afterall your team did get
beat by Utah State last year. Yeah you guys are a real powerhouse. Reloading is something that every team in the NCAA faces every year. The Utes
have had more to deal with than the coogs - probably because we have had a few
players go into the NFL early. As much as that can hurt having them leave, it
also speaks to the level of the program at the U.I'm confident that
Kyle will fill the positions - he does it every year. I'm also anxious to see
the young QB's battle it out. Wynn needs someone pushing him and I think both
of these guys can do just that.Go Utes!
Al... "is often the case, you know very little about football!" Could you please site some specifics about what I don't know about
football? I'm dying to hear this since you apparently have so much to offer.I simply state the simple facts and that's for the benefit of those that
have a hard time spelling and using plain English. If you have nothing to back
up your statements I surely have plenty of Ute facts as recent and relevant as
to last season that can shed some light on the current subject.So
let's be honest, if you don't like a comment, simply state so but arguing
against facts makes you look silly.Winning the Sugar Bowl two years
ago is as relevant as BYU winning the NC as to how these teams are going into a
new season, into a new conference or independence.Also..."So
they were a little down last year" ... in reference to an overall season of
10-3, yes I agree but when you look at the humiliatiing losses that 10-3
represents it says another story. And that my friend is what this conversation
is all about.
"Still, it's the end of the "Urban Meyer" chapter."Such is progress, anyone who watched the last 6 games last year would agree
it's time had come and something needed to change.
Well, coming from a huge Coug fan, I honestly cant wait to see what the Utes can
do there first season in the PAC. I have to admit the athletes at
RB are very impressive. I have had the opportunity to see Thretton Palamo play
rugby in Las Vegas, and I will tell you what, if he is even half as good at
football as he is at rugby, then look out. I had no idea he was competing for
the RB position, that brings a very nice ingredient to the offense. Between him
and Langi, it is possible we could see the best talent of RB's ever at the U.The real problem however, is Wynn. As long as Wynn is leading the
offense, we'll see a lot of ugly games against anyone with a decent defensive
unit. TCU, ND, BSU, and even BYU exposed Wynn and the Ute offense. Utah was
outscored by a total of 117-30.The QB position is the most important on
the field, ESPECIALLY in a Norm Chow offense. This Utah team could be
scary good.But personally, I feel its time to invest in a new QB.
WA_Alum please link some of your material, it's easy to spout heresay and make
it up on the fly. I'd be interested to read some of the negative
comments from the media, fans don't count, you're never going to make everyone
happy. All you have to do is read the Trolls who post on the other teams
articles to realize that.Spelling smack, the last refuge of the
unimaginative and boring. Props on the attempt at an original thought though.
Sad to see the spread go out the door. But I think the offense Chow installs is
the one he knows best. It worked for BYU and USC. Glad to see Chow not trying to
install the pistol offense. Still, it's the end of the "Urban
Yes Wynn is small but this offense will be a good fit for him and if he does get
hurt, Tyler Schreve is 6'3 225. According to the radio personalities that saw
him at practice yesterday in person, he has a good arm. So the upcoming will be
just as effective.
WA Alum- Utah will be fine! So they were a little down last year, Won the Sugar
bowl the year before!!!! Sammy G- As is often the case, you know
very little about football!
I'm bleeding... "you posts are so redunant and precictable"...as is your spelling.Utes have some problems this year like...
lost a good deal of depth with players graduating, adopting a whole new offense,
an injured QB and playing in a better conference. All of this does not weigh in
favor of a huge winning season but it will be interesting to see what happens
this first year in the PAC-10.2.It won't be a cupcake season like
you're used to and that's my point. Utes did not do well against teams with
winning records and that's a fact or do I need to remind you?Nonetheless, this fall will be exciting to watch, including Ute football.So in your own words... "give it a rest".
"All that attitude and arrogance...You guys are going to love the whiny,
entitled and obnoxious fans..."---WA_Alum, Sir,
with your "LOL" and laughing to yourself, and the condescending
remarks referring to the Utes as a stepchild, I figured you must be talking to
yourself as well. It's OK to be hypocritical though, as long as
you're having fun.
re: WA_Alum&Dad | 11:38 a.m. March 9, 2011 Both Neuheisel &
Kiffin liked the addition of the U. Further, I doubt PAC officials are hesitant
about the Utes accomplishments and what they can add otherwise no invite would
have been made. It'd be foolish to treat the Utes like they were by
pretty much everyone before the 2009 Sugar Bowl. The Utes have beaten enough PAC
10 Teams recently that should negate any doubt.Unlike a certain
private school (in state), The U does not rest on their laurels, focus on the
glory days 20 yrs ago, or have a false sense of entitlement for whatever reason.
Respect is earned not given and so if the masses to the west are
skeptical all the better.
Just watched the Kwhitt press interview from yesterday. Interesting how he
called out Palamo be name....Either the Utes have a real diamond in
the rough or the other guys ( who've played RB for many years) need to step it
I'm laughing to myself thinking about when Utah fans wake up to how they are
already being treated by the PAC fans and local sportscasters. All that
attitude and arrogance as the supposed big dog of the WAC/MWC is wasted now, and
for the first time you will be looked at by an entire conference as the
stepchild. You should hear how local sports radio and the fans already talk
about how badly they did bringing in UU into the PAC.If ever a
conference and a program deserved each other, it's the PAC and the UU. You guys
are going to love the whiny, entitled and obnoxious fans that root for the UW,
Oregon, or the "premier" CA schools. Have a great time!
Lets talk reality. Wynn was a 155lb high school QB who put on 40lbs to play
college ball. He is still a petite injury prone QB who should be playing flag
football at a junior college in Thayne, Wyoming. Biggest mistake Kyle has made
up to this point. At least with the drop back scheme Wynn won't have to go into
his fetal position and scream quite as fast as he did last year.Prediction and I hope I have to eat my words4-8 Hello BYU here we
come5-7 the wheels have come off6-6 average 7-5 good
season My Prediction8-4 great year9-3 awesome10-2 Whoa
Baby11-1 We are on our way to heaven and the Rose Bowl12-0 We are in
a coma and all this is just a dream to play for National Champ.I'm a
Ute fan but Utah will lose to BYU in Provo this fall...just after losing to USC.
1-2 to start off with. It's gonna take some heart to hang in there. Wynn is
injured against USC. Cause....Fear of taking a hit.
Coug fans on here need to shut up. I bleed blue but you have to love what Utah
has done here. Coach Chow will have the offense in full gear by fall time and
Utah has tremendous talent. BYU needs to tend to it's own if we want to beat
Utah this year. BTW, Utah fans, you might just be happier with Robles under
center. Great size and tremendous mobility. He was a handful to coach against
when he played at Spanish Fork High.
seeing Chow at the U is shocking. It's like seeing a divorced man with a new
I am glad that the era of the mtn is over. I will finally be able to see some
ute games this year.
"If he isn't 100%, it could be a long season."Well we'll
see how the other two fair in Spring, if they don't look like they can challenge
Wynn then you may be right.Sammyg give it a rest, you posts are so
redunant and precictable there's really no point in reading them anymore.
Good luck Utes. I'll be cheering for you in every game, except one. Hopefully
Wynn will recover quickly from his surgery. If he isn't 100%, it could be a
A little note about Palamo: Played football in High School. Played on the
National Samoan team as an 18 year old (youngest player ever) is roughly
6'3" runs a 4.4 forty and weighs in at 220. He has huge hands, palms a
rugby ball. He's very shifty and quick, yet can run over you. I think he would
be very dangerous on the swing pass and sweep (incredible open field runner).
And at that size could run routes over the middle (got great hands). Looking
forward to see what he can do...hopefully football isn't too confining for him.
But the kid is an incredible athlete...in Rugby 7's Utah won the National
Championship, beating perennial power Cal, and Bowling Green who drew skills
players from their football team. Nobody in 7's runs slower than a 4.5 and
Palamo ran circles around them. His first two steps are lightning fast. Should
be fun, but I think he'll need a year to get in a groove.
Well the PAC-10.2 is just hoping that this new Ute offense will be very familiar
to the old Chow offense they are used to!Glad you Ute fans are
getting excited for this, I am too! Just like the time right before the TCU, ND
and BSU games last year, huh? So this new offense is going to be
'tuned' around the QB? That's funny. What's it going to be called, a broken wing
I'm excited for the coming season. We have some great home games to look
forward to and a 9-3 record is not out of reach. I hope the player's goals are
high and they expect a lot from themselves.
Best hope for wins against WSU, CO,OSU, maybe UCLA finish 7th in PAC (pathetic
No discipline? Are you serious? What team have you been watching? The Utes were
no less desciplined than any other team in the country.
I'm glad we finally have an offensive coordinator that designs plays based on a
QB's abilities! It seems for the past 2 seasons Utah has been calling plays
outside of Wynn's (and Cain's) abilities, and our offense was anemic. I think
Utah is poised to do very well during it's first PAC-12 season.GO
Chiefbrady,Yea, I'm a Boo Anderson fan... but for whatever reason it
appears more talented kids a leapfrogging him.Let's hope he finds
some meaningful playing time this year.
You have so many people pulling for you Boo Anderson! Hang tough and know that
we're behind you!
Dirk, I'd really like to know more about this Thretton Palamo guy. I know he's
an absolute freak rugby player but a little bit more information would be
interesting to read.Very interested in hearing how the depth chart
PAC-12 here we come! Go UTES!
I can't wait for next year. AND I hope that Norm will be able to instill a level
of discipline that has been lacking on the offense these past few years so that
the rash of inopportune, stupid penalties becomes a nightmare of the past.
Very excited about the upcoming season. Too many unknowns, but excited none the
less. Go Utes!