@Doug 10. I have been on CJs case for years about a better shooting percentage.
I have given up. I have decided that CJ does the best he can and he is what he
is. However, CJ's percentages are down from previous periods. Bell
also went south a couple of months ago and that is whent the Sloan system
started having big problems. Even if Corbin's tweaks have made life
more difficult for the SGs the Jazz have to have better shooting from that
position and the SFs in the future. So I do not trying to give them an easy out.
I am looking for a way to explain why they are so bad recently. They may be
better than their performance for last 3 weeks but they are not a lot better.
I am sure there has to be upgrades at the SG/SF positions in both
shooting and defense. That has been obvious from previous years. I
think the Jazz have a good front court. The back court needs some wise
investment. Harris as a non shooting PG has to have more shooting
from the SGs/SFs. I do not see much in the draft.
One theory suggested that Sloan/KOC delibertly had weak shooting SGs since DWill
was a strong shooting PG. They did not want competition between the SG and the
shooting PG. Now they have a weak shooting PG and SGs.I
personally think Sloan tried to limit the outside shooting capability. If the
Jazz had a lot of outside shooting talent most of the team would rely on that
and not set the hard picks nor work as hard to get the ball inside. There is a fine balance between enought efficient outside shooting and not
enough to open up the inside. The last thing the Jazz can handle is
volume shooters (inefficient shooting). Poor outside shooting capability tends
to give you that if the paint is jammed and going inside creates TOs. This problem will fix but not this year. I think Corbin knows what needs to be
done but he has to work with the players he has for the rest of this year. You are going to see a lot more of KOC's finger prints on this team now
that Sloan has retired. KOC may (?) be smarter than some of us
@Johnson I appreciate your comments. We are all more than a little concerned
about the future of the team. None of us have all of the answers. I
would welcome your perspective as you get to see the games live. I get a
different camera angle on things since I don't and I can not follow every
game.There is usually more than one way to develop a contender. So
diverse perspectives can be quite valuable. If you post you do not
expect everyone to agree with you so it is fine if you disagree. If you argument
is compelling I may change my position.
RE Johnson72: Appreciate your comments, will look forward to positive comments
from you.I worry about some of, if not alot of the top prospects
staying in school because of the possible lock out. I love to look forward to
the draft and with a good possibility of a pick around #6 and if the Jazz keep
playing like they are an other pick around 11, this draft could be very
interesting and exciting but the lock out may make this draft very weak.We
need a long athletic 3, that can shoot and defend. We could always use a
defensive minded center that can rebound, block shots and at least be solid on
offense. I'm not sure there is a center worth drafting. There are quit a few 3'
in this draft if they come out. Barnes, Jones, Jones, Vesely, are some of the
top possibilities. I will continue to hope CJ plays well but I'm not
counting on it. Price I love some things about him but his poor shooting has to
be replaced. We need some shooters, penetrators, creators.
Sometimes all it takes a some new blood in the locker room to get guys
re-focused. I hope that is the case here. The Jazz have 18 games left and are
only 2 1/2 games out of the 8th seed. If this team can get into the playoffs
this year that will be great experience for the rookies as well as a confidence
booster for the Vets and especially the coaching staff. Keep working
hard! Don't quit!GO JAZZ!
bugoff you give the 2 guards an easy out. You say they cannot hit with Harris
as pg?????Give Bell the ball as he spots up on the threepoint line
where he wants not where he is told and he still can't hit. Cj is the same,
can't throw it in the ocean. And you blame Harris or the offense? I think you
are making excuses for them or their shooting coach.I guess the Jazz
will be able to cruise now they got a D league player.
I agree with much that has been said. Millsap is better suited as a backup PF.
I'd say start Al at C, Favors at PF and have Paul backup at PF. You could even
shift Favors to C at times for a small line-up. AK would be worth it for $6-7
million/year. That frees up $10-11 million to get a couple of decent veterans
for SG/SF and/or C. The draft will be a big key the next few years. Hopefully
they get some quality players who can become part of their long-term core.
The entire game is going to be easier for the Jazz when they get some players
that can shoot outside jump shots. Then they should be able to run more
effective pick and rolls, and hard cuts to the basket. Right now opposing teams
are just off to the races every time the Jazz miss a long range shot. In Coach
Corbin's system, I really think the Jazz are going to need to find and develop a
shooting guard that is a big difference maker. Not just a role player, but
someone who can actually create his own shot at the end of games. Al Jefferson
is likely to be an all-star in upcoming seasons; I'd sure like to see the Jazz
come up with a SG that could be our 2nd big time player.
Yesterday, shortly after the ten day contract for Cousin was announced, ESPN's
John Hollinger tweeted favorably about it. Commented that Cousin is a big with
a good shot and smooth moves, and might even stick beyond the ten day.Bottom line is, he was impressed with what KOC had done on this one.
Re Bugoff: As far as Ak I think the simplest explanation is that Deron liked the
ball in his hands a lot. Just not a good mix of players. Not a right or wrong
just different. The bottom like for me is a lot has changed and it
is going to take some time to adjust. I like the direction they are headed.
Don't be too negative on Cousin...This guy can shoot, rebound, play defense, hit
the free throw...The Jazz should keep this guy, if he plays as well as he did
for his Houston college team. He could be a great pick up for the Jazz.
Re Bugoff: I like where you are going with your comments. For once somebody is
looking at the big picture. I don't think it was Sloan's system that
failed. I think Deron refused to adjust. AJ needs the ball where Karl Malone
needed the ball. Who's fault that was I am not sure. The Jazz have made that
adjustment now and maybe yeah it is effecting everyone else. I mean how often
did Boozer ever get the ball down on the low block? Then I think
what an insult that is to guys like Favors, Matthews or even Hayward that come
in as rookies and seem to figure it out. Either way everyone should play
defense. Never been CJ's game though.
Good comment Vince.The coaches have worn Paul out. Should have used
some of his minutes to develop his back ups. Your idea of making a 6th man of
him with reduced minutes would solve several problems.1- His health
and injuries. ( If he regains his legs I think his rebounds per minutes played
would go back up like they used to be. ) 2- Our undersized front
line.3- The lack of development of the young bigs.
I agree,give the youngsters the bulk of the minutes,Evans,Hayward,Fes,Cousin and
Favors,this season is all but over,but I am very optimistic about next
season.Lets see what we have,as far as Millsap coming off the bench,hey whatever
helps our Jazz win.Millsap will give 100% regardless,also hope we can keep
AK,but I think it`ll cost 8/10 mil per year,which he is worth playing in the
right system,GO JAZZ!
I have faith that coach Corbin and his staff will re-tool this wobbling team
next year and be a competitor instead of an imposter. Paul Milsap for one needs
to be a reserve player, playing the quality minutes not a starter playing 30
plus minutes nightly. He has shown "every" time that he has extended
minutes his body wears down and he can't play that many minutes for a full
season. What to do? Make him your best 6th man on the team and in the league!
Quality minutes are the most important anyway. Remodel & overhaul this team
coach. With the youngsyers we have, the draft picks, and trade possibilities we
can jump right back in this league as a serious contender next season. Go Jazz
The Jazz are going to be a completely different team this time next year. I like
our core guys, we just dont have the speed or strength at the 2-3 right now to
compete. We have been getting burned on the perimeter all season long. The
rookies will all get better and improve their game. Harris will take a bigger
leadership role next season. The Jazz will probably make a move for a higher
caliber guard and AK will only make Veteran minimum if the Jazz decide to bring
him back at all? If Memo does not come back healthy, expect a trade or a buy
out. For the people that are so high on Tomic, news flash, he is not very good.
His numbers this year in Europe have been weak! When it is all said and done, I
think Fesenko will have a better NBA career than Tomic. Tomic is 24 yrs 7'2 avg.
20 min 9 pts 5 rbs pg. IN EUROPE! That is not too impressive, this guy Cousin
has better stats than Tomic, but the talent that we will get through the draft
should make up for this wasted pick.
@Jazz4everThanks for the comments. It is hard for me to follow every
game so I see from one snapshot to another. You may have a point on
DWill as rumors started as the Melo thing heated up. However, he did play hurt
and DWill alone does not explain the collapse of the defense. I am pretty sure
there was friction between Sloan and DWill on how to get the offense playing
better. I also think Sloan was just getting old and tired. Further, his tendency
to let his players figure it out was a major problem. The changes
Corbin has made suggest that Sloan may have known what to do but for various
reasons did not want to make those changes. I think Greg made the
right move for the long run. I do not think the Jazz over achieved in the first
2 months. I think they were a very capable team. Something caused them to stop
playing as well. I think the other teams learned how to defend this
SG challenged team and it fouled up the offense. They also learned to attack the
weak Pick and Roll defense. I think Corbin will fix it.
The other night I said some rude things and for some time I have been negative
to the Jazz and all the other posters, I would like to apologize to everyone for
always being negative and I will stop being such a negative poster, Bugoff, Todd
I am sorry.
Well now is the time for Hayward, Favors and Evans to step it up and show coach
Corbin what they can do. Now is the time to earn his respect. Corbin is in need
of some wins and some good solid play on both ends of the floor will get his
attention. Hayward needs to shoot it when he has a good shot within the rythum
of the offense. His percentages are not to bad he just needs to shoot it more.
We need scoring from our wings and with the poor play of Bell and Miles there is
an opportunity for Hayward to step in and get some playing time. Hope he can
@Bugoff(interesting choice of name considering you have asked for
thoughts! :) )Anyway...heres my take on your poser.I think
D-will quit on Sloans system rather than the system failing. I could see it in
his play... he was not as aggressive or passionate. Why? Probably only he can
answer and we can only speculate. a) (my pick) he could see that al trade was
not enough to make them go deep in the playoffs. b) he saw all the big movement
out east and wanted a piece of that action in a big city. c) he got a feeling
about the impending trade much earlier than it happened and started coasting.AK maybe felt the reduction in d-wills play..and tried to compensate by
playing harder or he just felt healthier.Ty seems to keeping the
jazz system. What I still miss are the solid pick and roll plays of old. Al is
not the guy for that. I hope D-favors will be.
Don't get too excited about Marcus Cousins. He's potential, not proven. His size
is a plus, but his shot selection seemed awful from the youtube vid that I saw
Not much of a defender, good athlete, but not really sure how he'll fit
into the Jazz.I was really hoping for a 3 gaurd from D-League, but
I saw stats today on the Jazz players by month. I will not bore you with the
stats but DWill played like a star in months 1 & 2 and like a regular player
in months 3 & 4. It may not be wise to blame DWill for months 3
& 4 as his stats may simply reflect the fact that Sloan's system just was
not working. He seems to be doing pretty well in NJ. However, AK's
stats were just the opposite of DWill's. Mediocre in 1 & 2 and very good in
3 & 4. I find that interesting. Any thoughts? Why did the Sloan system falter and collapse? What went wrong and why
could Sloan not fix it? Corbin has fixed part of it by getting AJ
going and Millsap playing with AJ.
It is easy to jump on CJ and Bell (I have). However, the streamlined system may
not be helping them get good shots or may be actually hurting them by forcing
them to take bad shots. The D is another matter. But bad jump shots
lead to transition problems. NYK killed the Jazz and played their game all
night. I do not want to push this too hard but it may be wise to see
how CJ and Bell play when Harris has all of the offense running the way it is
designed to run. The Jazz will be a lot harder to defend then and CJ and Bell
may be taking much better shots. Hence their shooting percentages will improve
and the transition D will also improve. It is easy to forget the
Jazz run a complex system. It is easy to blame one or two individuals who are
under performing. However, it is difficult to tell if the under performance is
individual or due to changes in the system. Corbin and Harris need
to be assessed after this year is over. The same may be true for the SGs.
Corbin has said that he has "streamlined" the offense for Harris and
that Harris is picking it up pretty rapidly. However, he also said
that when the other team makes a defensive adjustment, the Jazz try to adjust in
the huddle, but things are not going smoothly as Harris does not know all of the
offense yet. That speaks volumes about the current Jazz problems.
1. Corbin knows what adjustments to make but the team can't
implement them yet. 2. Harris (and the team) will get much better as
Harris learns all of the options in the offense (probably next year).3. It would be wise to give both Corbin and Harris time to get the team
running smoothly so it can adjust on the fly during a game. 4.
Corbin has AJ playing well and also has AJ and Millsap playing well together.
That is something Sloan could not do. 5. The fact that Harris is
running a "streamlined" offense may be impacting the play of CJ and
Bell. 6. The "streamlined" offense is focused on the bigs.
It may be hurting the guard play. 7. Bell and CJ may be better than
Maybe the kid can earn a roster spot. This Jazz team is rebuilding so you never
know?Keep working hard, go Jazz!
The Jazz are a mash unit. The injuries to Millsap and AK are major problems.
Who? What? My head is spinning! Whatever works! I'm not giving up, I just hope
"they" are not giving up. So many changes, so many scenarios...Whatta
test for us fans! I really think most of us will hang in there, no matter what.