Gov. Herbert's welcome influence

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  • Lets think Cottonwood Heights, UT
    March 9, 2011 6:14 p.m.

    If you are angry about Gov. Herbert's signature attend the
    "Shine the Light on Government" Rally
    Utah Capitol, March 10 - 6:00 PM
    Bring a flashlight & meet at the fountain.

  • phgreek Hooper, UT
    March 9, 2011 12:42 p.m.


    GRAMA has protections for privacy in it. If they need to be be it. But don't you think thats a little different than excluding entire classes of communication.

    Further, if your conversation has to do with something you have a direct or indirect interest in...It must be part of the public record...otherwise how do you keep an eye on the relationship between special interests and our legislature.

    I acknowlede the cost issue...THE ONE AND ONLY THING THAT NEEDED TO BE LOOKED AT. So you think the current measures help cost huh? Here is how this is going to go...1) the state will be sued multiple times at what cost? 2) we have just put a value on the email and phone accounts of Utah legislators...a value to hackers and the order to enhance security, the State will incur cyber security costs in infrastructure and personnel that will DWARF what this MIGHT save in preventing "fishing expeditions"...College degree or not...they are all short sighted

    No one is asking for information from phone and email accounts these folks hold in their private lives...just the ones WE PAY FOR.

  • Maskmarv Orem, UT
    March 9, 2011 12:05 a.m.

    What a terrible law! I am really upset that Gov Herbert didn't delay the bill as long as possible with the threat of a veto. He caved in, and let the law pass.

    To Considering: when you are talking to a public servant, guess what you lose some of your "rights of privacy." It is all part of taking part in a public arena. There isn't any back room deals, or any inside deals. When you talk to a Senator, Representative, or Governor, you better expect that conversation to be part of a public record.

    Of course now all lawmakers in Utah are up for bid. Any lobbyist can simply text the amount they will pay, and there is nothing we can do about it.

  • cosmic lights Grantsville, UT
    March 8, 2011 11:55 p.m.

    My BS is in mathematics, my MS is in physics; but it is my understanding of literature, art and history that fuels my study of the STEM topics. If we were to set up a Singapore style math system would you be willing to force you child to do math in school 2 hours everyday, plus 2 hours of tutoring every day, plus another 2 hours of math homework every day? That is the Asian model of education. I want my kids to have a well rounded full education not a mathematics automaton.

  • Considering Stockton, UT
    March 8, 2011 11:10 p.m.

    When I speak to my legislator in person, I expect that conversation is private.

    I expect the same privacy when we speak over the phone.

    Can someone explain to me why that same expectation of privacy should not extend to conversations with my legislators using email or text messages?

    Certainly some emails and texts should be public records. But just as clearly, some are private in nature.

    I'm also not thrilled to have taxpayer dollars spent so the media or other partisans can engage on witch hunts searching through thousands of pages looking for innuendo against only one side of the aisle.

    Freedom of the press is crucial. But with rights come responsibilities and in some cases, the press and individuals have abused those rights to impose unwarranted costs on the rest of us.

  • homebrew South Jordan, UT
    March 8, 2011 9:38 p.m.

    Hebert signed the bill. ENOUGH said. REcall the entire GOP, Nationwide.

  • Dan S. Ogden, UT
    March 8, 2011 4:19 p.m.

    So far, the governor has merely delayed the effective date of this horrible bill. He apparently still intends to sign it. So how, exactly, has he earned the praise of the Deseret News? Surely you don't trust the legislature to fix all the problems with the bill before July 1.

  • MormonDem Provo, UT
    March 8, 2011 3:30 p.m.

    I'm thrilled that the bill wasn't signed into law yesterday, but the Deseret News shouldn't be praising Herbert--they should be praising We The People that heard about the legislature's shameful misdeed and flooded Herbert's office with phone calls and emails! The DN should be praising the people that testified against the law, who then raised heck when the legislature ignored their concerns. The DN should be praising Jesse Fruhwirth at the City Weekly for his up-to-the-minute tweets that kept us informed as the disaster unfolded. The DN should be praising the democrats that opposed the bill in the first place!!!

    Praising Herbert for sending this bill back is like praising the wisdom of a sleeping dog for having the good sense to get out of the street when it hears the truck that is about to run it over.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    March 8, 2011 2:55 p.m.

    Gov. Herbert was covering his back-side, and those of his cronies.

    All he had to do was VETO the HB477 - and he could have Killed it in an instant.

    It would automatically have gone back to the beginning of the House and Senate for a revision and another vote.

    Repealling it AFTER the vote and the public outcry was pure Politics - plain and simple.

    Can't anyone see it?

    Herbert showed no spine, and no integrity at all.

  • dalefarr South Jordan, Utah
    March 8, 2011 2:02 p.m.

    The Gov's response to the Legislature's anti-citizen misconduct is tepid. So is this editorial. What happened to newspapers defending the first amendment including the right of access to the news? That's what I was taught at BYU.

  • Anti Bush-Obama Washington DC, MD
    March 8, 2011 12:32 p.m.

    I don't like herbert but where is the requirement that somebody has to graduate from college in order to be sucessful? It should be about how hard you work. Larry Miller is a prime example of this.

  • Florwood American Fork, UT
    March 8, 2011 11:06 a.m.

    I also like that Herbert negotiated with the legislature, rather than needlessly antagonizing with a veto. This will allow all interested parties time to work together to craft a better bill.

  • What in Tucket? Provo, UT
    March 8, 2011 10:17 a.m.

    I thought HErbert was a lightweight when he was lt gov, but he has done a good job. As for education the greatest lack is math. Why can't the state set up a Singapore math pilot program and see if it would help.

  • Independent Woman West Jordan, UT
    March 8, 2011 9:24 a.m.

    Who the heck is Rudi Starnberg?

  • goitalone w bountiful, ut
    March 8, 2011 8:35 a.m.

    This article expresses concern that technology has changed in the last 20 years. It is spot on in that assessment, but the transparency of technology requires even more care in the way our elected officials act, not less. This bill encourages the elected to be lax in their civic actions. When the salaries paid, the cell phones and laptops provided to these people to conduct the publics business are paid for from public funds, where in sane thinking do our legislators get the idea that their communications should be hidden.

    The arrogance of those we trust to conduct public business knows no bounds.

    Herbert has declared his concern. Let's see if he acts as he speaks. I doubt it.

  • Brother Chuck Schroeder A Tropical Paradise USA, FL
    March 8, 2011 8:23 a.m.

    Thank you Gov. Gary Herbert for reminding us that one of the great values of our legislative process is deliberation.

    That sounds more like this in my view.

    The state of the American education system today is unacceptable. As many as one quarter of American students don't finish high school. We've fallen to ninth place in the proportion of young people with college degrees. The quality of our math and science education lags behind many other nations. For the sake of the next generation, and America's economic future, this has to change. The good news is that we're making progress and seeing improvements around the country already, focusing on our own Three R's: responsibility, reform and results. Said Melody Barnes, Director of the Domestic Policy Council. She's from The White House by the way. Not, Reading, Writing and Arithmetic. Now, what's wrong with this picture?.

    Now, you do the math.

  • Rudi Starnberg Germantown, UT
    March 8, 2011 7:43 a.m.

    Herbert did not even graduate from college. There is no cause for celebrating his influence.

    Herbert has interfered with the natural order of things. The legislature had the power, and it acted. Its members are strong, and they can do what they want. All Herbert did was pander to the whinings of a bunch of weaklings.

    It is sickening to hear a bunch of weaklings cry about the legislature passing a bill. The strong have earned the right to do what they want. The weak should quit whining and just get used to it.

  • FDRfan Sugar City, ID
    March 8, 2011 7:13 a.m.

    Great editorial.

  • Furry1993 Somewhere in Utah, UT
    March 8, 2011 6:50 a.m.

    Herbert wasn't deliberating. He was playing politics, and responding to the firestorm of public opinion that was sparked by HB477. He was being reactive. I would want him to be proactive, which would have meant that bill wouldn't have made it to his desk. Sorry, Guv -- you don't get any politicial points out of this in my book.