BYU basketball notebook: Cougars projected from No. 2 to No. 4 seed

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  • The Rock Federal Way, WA
    March 9, 2011 8:26 a.m.

    BYU was shell shocked when they played UNM on Wednesday. They needed time to recover. On Saturday they showed Wyoming (and themselves) what they can do without Brandon.

    The more they play together the better they will get. The tournament will give BYU the opportunity to gel as a team with the new configuration.

    I think they may surprise some folks in the NCAA tournament.

  • Tommy2Shoes Lehi, UT
    March 8, 2011 7:48 p.m.

    What Davies contributed was:
    Positive side
    1. Defensive inside presence due to his height and length
    2. Offensive scoring threat inside
    3. 24 minutes a game
    4. Allowed Hartsock to play the 4 spot where he is more effective
    5. Allowed Jimmer a bigger target inside that they had to respect while Jimmer
    drove to the basket
    6. Rebounds on both ends of court
    Negative side
    1. Got into foul trouble quickly due to silly reach-in fouls
    2. At times was a poor free-throw shooter
    3. Not a consistent scorer
    4. Got out of his defensive spot to often even running into 3 point shooters

    He was more of an asset than a liability. His potential to help us beat certain types of offenses and defenses will be missed.

    The team can only overcome this with hard work and greater performances from Noah, Mags, Kyle and Charles. We are down to a 6-man team with very little room for error. We can win but we are more vulnerable. Keep healthy boys and play your hearts out.

  • NevadaCoug Overton, NV
    March 8, 2011 7:02 p.m.

    Would anyone like to point out to me where I said that Davies "was an easily replaceable piece in the pie?"

    Would anyone like to point out to me where I said the Cougars should still get a one seed?

    I DID say that I could understand dropping them a little because of the loss to UNM. I DID say that I could understand dropping them a little because of the loss of Davies. What I cannot understand is how far people are dropping them without further evidence of how much the Davies loss hurts them. Like I said, the UNM loss has some obvious extenuating circumstances attached to it. The Wyoming win looked like the old Cougars. There is not enough evidence to say that the Cougars are no longer at least a 2 seed. Nor a 3 at worst.

    A 4 is just too pessimistic at this point.

  • BlueHusky Mission Viejo, CA
    March 8, 2011 4:13 p.m.

    @Moderate - good pessimistic guess. Optimistic is 2 seed. Challenge is that Brandon Davies did a lot of things that don't show up on the stat sheet. He also spent a lot of time on the pine because of fouls. But last few games saw Brandon emerge as a monster with big dunks, boards, and blocks.

    We're all concerned about the size of the guys left on the team. With Collinsworth and Davies out, this a very small team. So they'll have to crash the boards and have quick double team rotations out of the zone. I'm not worried about scoring; UNM was lucky to play them one day after losing Davies. I doubt they'd be able to beat the Cougs in the tourney. But UCLA or Washington with huge bodies underneath would be very tough. Luckily, the BYU zone is not easy to score on, and BYU is better on defense than most people think.

    I think they'll go number 2 because TV wants Jimmer on for as long as possible. TV execs WANT BYU in the final four. That would be a made for TV story.

  • Moderate Salt Lake City, UT
    March 8, 2011 3:51 p.m.

    By your reasoning, losing Davies had NO effect on the team. None. I appreciate that you are a die-hard fan, and will always see your team as number one. The win over Wyoming does not erase the national doubt raised by the loss to New Mexico (a possible NCAA tourney bound team). Doubt means you don't get a number one seed. Drop to a 4 seed? I agree that's too much. I just can't buy your argument that Davies was an easily replaceable piece in the pie.

  • NevadaCoug Overton, NV
    March 8, 2011 1:13 p.m.

    Moderate, you really think a team like BYU would lose to a 16 seed? To quote a former hostess of The View: Delusional.

    Yeah, so without Davies some people think BYU should not have a shot at a one anymore. But to drop them all the way to four? What's the reasoning? That they lost to New Mexico a couple of days after being hit with the news? Anybody with a brain would be willing to take that into account.

    I understand dropping them after losing to UNM. I understand dropping them because Davies is no longer with the team. But, they scored 100+ on Wyoming on Saturday. How many teams have done that to Wyoming? Nobody. The only team to come close to 100 on the Cowboys was SDSU with 96.

    So you have just two games so far with which to judge the Davies-less Cougars. One (UNM) has some obvious extenuating circumstances attached to it. In the other (Wyoming), the Cougars looked like their old selves (and remember, BYU struggled with Wyoming in Laramie even with Davies on the team). So exactly what is the evidence that BYU is a much worse team without Davies?

  • Moderate Salt Lake City, UT
    March 8, 2011 12:31 p.m.

    RPI is a rating based on history. So yes, BYU is ranked 4th in the RPI, but that is with Brandon Davies. One can only guess what their RPI would be if Davies was suspended at the beginning of the season.

    Slot them in at a 1? Do you feel that confident with the current team? Great win last Saturday, but Wyoming is not going to the NCAA. The number 16 team is going to be better than Wyoming. Remember, no number 1 seed has ever lost their opening game. Would you want to risk being that first and only number 1 seed to be one and done?

  • NevadaCoug Overton, NV
    March 8, 2011 11:10 a.m.

    I suppose there isn't that much difference between a 1, 2, or 3 seed. But, really? A four seed? Last I checked, BYU was 8th in both polls, and 4th in the RPI. RPI ranking slots them in at a 1. Polls slot them in at a 2. So how do they drop all the way to a 4?

    And some people try and say there is no East coast bias.

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    March 8, 2011 8:58 a.m.

    hedgie, I'm confused about the silence you promised if BYU beat SDSU. I'm sorry your Utes only have one more game to play. BYU fans will get to watch their team play at least five more games.

    BYU will be a 2 seed if they win the conference tournament. They will be a 3 seed if they lose in the championship game. They could be a 4 or 5 seed if they lost in the semi, but that won't happen.

    Although I'm enjoying every minute of this year's season and will continue to do so until the final buzzer, I get very excited thinking about next years team during these five day lulls between games. It will be a rebuilding year for the backcourt, but the team will easily be a 25+ win team and will tough along the front line.

    Starters - 5:Davies, 4:Hartsock, 3:Rogers, 2:Abouo, 1:Matt Carlino (That's some good height along the front line.) Davies and Abouo will have a lot of double, doubles.

    Back-Ups - 5: C. Collinsworth, 4:C. Collinsworth, 3:Abouo, 2:Demarcus Harrison and Anson Winder, 1:Anson Winder

  • hedgehog Ann Arbor, MI
    March 8, 2011 7:49 a.m.

    Unless the tds win the conference tourny... they will be a 5 seed.

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, Utah
    March 7, 2011 10:48 p.m.

    I think BYU fully deserves a no. 2 seed, but the pessimist inside me is telling me that if last season is any indication, BYU will maybe get a 5 or 6 seed. Hopefully this year the selection committee is more fair to the Cougars. Having ESPN on our side doens't hurt.