BYU praised for Honor Code enforcement in Brandon Davies case

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  • Cougarista Salt Lake City, UT
    March 7, 2011 10:41 p.m.

    Praise doesn't come casually from Jim Rome. The "shock" to the public was not that BYU lives the standards, but that someone still has standards.

  • Anon 64 Oahu, HI
    March 7, 2011 6:37 p.m.

    How come it is so hard to handle that the S word is a two way street.

    Evan Paul said that being Chaste is not for most people.

    Sometimes the Female is the agressor such as Ruth and Boaz. Read that and then rethink what they did or did not know.

    The lower classes almost never had a formal education but some got some pretty fair home schooling.

    Above all they knew the Rules and what was expected of them.

    Now if you read and sign that you will Not do somthing and you do it then their is a cost.

    I do not know hardly anything about this young man, except that he is a person in his 20's with what would be considered Normal Desires.

    He seems a nice clean cut guy and the S Word was by concent. Two to tango. Two Wet Spots not One. Equal- Parallel:

    I have been trying to get a good picture of his girl friend, but he has a common name so its not easy.

    I do not think the Society that he goes to School with is S Wordless just Obedient and they COPE some Mightily.

  • Oh, please! Saint George, UT
    March 7, 2011 5:56 p.m.

    @DR Hall

    You are mistaken! You stated, "If you want BYU then fine, but realize that companies place more credit for the other Utah schools." That is ludicrous! Government agencies and TOP companies interview at BYU.

    Since I have had 10 children or nieces at BYU, U of U, and USU in a wide variety of disciplines, I can say that ALL three of these schools have outstanding departments, NATIONALLY AND INTERNATIONALLY recognized, and compete with strength and credibility. BYU has top placement in business, law, and accounting that the others don't come close to. All three schools have outstanding engineering, arts, and many, many other departments. The U has a first-rate medical school. The GLOBAL CEO of Deloitte Touche (ever heard of them?) is from Fillmore UT and is an Aggie graduate. The list for each school is laudatory and voluminous.

    Get off the hate-BYU bandwagon. It isn't classy.

  • awsomeron1 Oahu, HI
    March 7, 2011 5:27 p.m.

    I have never heard of this guy, which proves nothing as I do not follow sports.

    I have in the past done research on the BYU Honor Code, Read the Whole Honor Code etc. How many who Wave it have Read it?

    I am on the Schools side in this situation. No S word before Marriage is the Rule.

    If you sign the Honor Code (and you must) then you must obay the Rules No Matter who you may be. If Him and Her have to then you have to simple as that.

    BYU is a Private Reglious School with strict standards, and strict enforcement.

    To get around that simply get married in a Civil Wedding or your Bishops Office. No Rule says that Married Students have to be Married in the Temple.

    Davies is a fault for violating the Rule. He knew better and did it anyway.

    He is going to one of the finest Schools in the Country and on a full ride thats worth about $250,000 give or take, and perhaps Millions over a lifetime.

    Another part of me says Two College Age Adults having the S Word No Big Deal.

    At BYU it really is.

  • Pavalova Surfers Paradise, AU
    March 7, 2011 4:58 p.m.

    How many people actually believe that if BYU would have said "he was dismissed from the team for violating team rules" that it would have remained private? Honestly people, there is no way an infraction like this could have stayed private given the nature of the circumstances.

    BYU didn't publicly humiliate Brandon, it was everyone else that had to "know what happened". In an age of instant information via Facebook, Twitter, etc...nothing could have been kept private.

    Brandon self-reported the issue, and BYU had to act upon his information. The timing belongs to Brandon, not BYU. I applaud him for taking responsibility of the situation. I think we'd be naive if we think it was a single offense though.

  • DR Hall Clearfield, UT
    March 7, 2011 4:17 p.m.

    I would suggest that if you want a few more4 things to do, that you might try UoU, USU and some others as they are equal to or better than BYU. Most education at other schools is far better recognized than BYU. If you want BYU then fine, but realize that companies place more credit for the other Utah schools.

  • unaffiliated_person Saratoga Springs, UT
    March 7, 2011 1:10 p.m.

    I do commend BYU for not making any bends in the rules for this athlete. It seems Davies went to the Honor Code office himself, which is also respectable. That said, I know the school needs to treat him as any other student, however, I hope some leniency is now applied for him. How many other students in the student body get to have thier mistake broadcast on news tickers, blogs, and Sportscasts from coast to coast? I think he is already being severely punished...more so than any other student (other than high profile athletes like Harvey Unga). I hope that is taken into account for his violation.

  • id2nv2nj2ca Glendora, CA
    March 7, 2011 12:00 a.m.

    I don't know if this will make it past the censors at the D News, but I can't keep it in any longer. I have read just about every article on this situation, and a LOT of the comments, even the articles on ESPN that have generated THOUSANDS & THOUSANDS of comments, & for the life of me, I can't help but fear for the future of our country because of how stupid people are. I'm speaking clearly to the ones that keep bringing up that Mr. Davies privacy has been violated by BYU, that BYU shouldn't have stated what he was suspended for. Can you people not read? And those that think they should have let it slide until after the season was over. SERIOUSLY???? And this coming from what appears to be members of the church. Yeah, that would have went over real well. I bet you're the same ones that think it was OK for Ohio States starting QB and other teammates to play in the bowl game this year and serve their suspension at the beginning of next season. BYU would have been crucified if they did that. Unbelievable.

  • TheThinker Logan, Utah
    March 6, 2011 10:26 p.m.

    For the last few days I have been thinking very much about Brandon Davies and his suspension. I feel very bad about what has happened. Forget the basketball. Forget whether they win or lose. It is just a game. But this game of life. Is it right to bring a young man (19) and womans mistakes out into the open for the whole world to see? I dont think it is right. These things should be kept confidential with their ecclesiastical leaders. If a person comes forth with a mistake is it necessary to so outwardly punish? Lets think about the person more than the letter of the law. Where is our nurturing, gentleness, love, and kindness? What about all of us adults who could have counseled, helped and maybe averted this from even happening? Should we be blamed too? Are we so self secure that we can so openly punish a person and then go home and read about it in the news? I dont think it is right to put someone through such a media circus. These matters should be kept private and corrected in private. There has to be a better way.

  • Ifel Of'a-sofa Alpine, Utah
    March 6, 2011 9:55 p.m.

    Thank you for your responses all, I was not judging Davies in any sense of the word, but trying to understand the penalties.

    Best of luck Brandon!

  • Cats Somewhere in Time, UT
    March 6, 2011 5:30 p.m.

    Dear Ifel: Brandon's status as a student has yet to be determined. In fact, it has still not been made clear what his offense was. There is a lot of speculation and we probably have a pretty good idea what it was. But, it has not been confirmed. I believe he still has to go before the Standards Office for a complete resolution of his case. It is entirely possible that he will be suspended from school and told what he needs to do to return and how long it will take. I think it is highly likely that he will be back on the team next year.

  • Linus Bountiful, UT
    March 6, 2011 4:26 p.m.

    Dear Ifel,
    Rest assured that there are other BYU students who succumb to temptation and then confess their sins to the proper authorities. In a student body the size of BYU's it would be more than remarkable if mistakes weren't being made frequently. When these mistakes are confessed with proper regret and a firm resolution to avoid making the same mistake again, mercy is often applied in the form of a confidential probationary period. Many such students stay in school. You will not hear about it in the newspaper.
    Occasionally a violator is caught in an honor code violation and is not repentant. Sometimes a violator is a repeat offender. In these cases the student may be expelled from the school. You won't read about this in the newspaper either.
    Brandon Davies was one of those who came forward and confessed with regret and resolution to correct his course. He chose the timing. He expected the consequences that followed. He is one of many regretful offenders still in school. The publicity is not the fault of BYU or of Brandon Davies. It is the result of the unavoidable consequences that followed his confession.

  • Ifel Of'a-sofa Alpine, Utah
    March 6, 2011 1:51 p.m.

    Thanks for your response joecoog. I am a member, but it still does not make sense.
    He violated the honor code, the honor code is required to be upheld for BYU admission. If his violation was serious enough to require suspension, it should be a suspension from BYU, not just from basketball. And no, I am not saying I agree that he should have been suspended, but the code is the code, and he violated it. While there are seperate circumstances with every individual that require varying degrees of punishment, it appears his violation was fornication (based upon news reports, not from BYU) and that is pretty clear.
    I would think he should be suspended from school as well, or reinstated to the basketball team immediately.
    Being a BYU student or a BYU athlete is NOT a calling, representing the school in a public manner does not change what honor code he is held to, does it?

  • Buzzsawone AITKIN, mn
    March 6, 2011 1:27 p.m.

    I am not aware that BYU initially exposed the details to the press, or that they were indiscreet. It seems to me that events and revelations overtook and over ran the normal process. That being said, details did get out and needed to be responded to as circumspectly and forthrightly as could be done while maintaining the integrity of the process for all parties in what must be understood to be a rapidly changing situation driven by the press doing their jobs. I have immense respect for and trust and faith in, yes faith in BYU, with all that "BYU" entails, for the way they handled this matter, and I have immense respect and hope for Brother Davies for his integrity in coming forward. Both BYU and Brother Davies deserve our support. As a BYU alum, I heartily give my support to both.

  • joecoog North Las Vegas, NV
    March 5, 2011 11:52 p.m.

    hopefully i can answear your question better than unbelievable could. For one we dont know if he was punished or not for his comments. I am sure not everytime a player does something against the rules that it is publicly stated and the consequences are told. Not all violatins require a suspension. Davies violation was worse and required a suspension and publicly anounced it cause you cant suspend your starting power forward on you number 3 team without anyone noticing. For example, lets say a player from any other team breaks a rule that doesnt require any missed games but we dont know that the guy had to wake up at 4 in the morning to do wind sprints with the trainer. That is usually also not reported.

  • joecoog North Las Vegas, NV
    March 5, 2011 11:41 p.m.

    I am not 100 percent sure on the answear on that one but i think that is because Davies represents the school in a public manner unlike the student. Im sure the student probably has to go on some sort of probation but cant represent byu in a public sense. I dont know if your lds or not but in the church lets say you hold a high calling and commit a high sin (which fornication is considered big in the lds community) you would be released of your calling but not kicked out of the church. I think if the person would have been class president or something like that they probably would have to step down too.

  • Ifel Of'a-sofa Alpine, Utah
    March 5, 2011 9:43 p.m.

    I have a question that I would like an answer to, and I am admittedly out of the knowledge loop with this.
    Am I to understand that Davies is off the basketball team but still a student?
    I thought the honor code was for being a student at the Y. Why would he be kicked off the team for honor code violation but not removed from school? What if he was not an athlete and just a student?
    Thank you for your resposes, and again my questions are based on him still being a student.

  • BYR Woods Cross, UT
    March 5, 2011 8:20 p.m.

    J=Dub... I couldn't disagree more but this is not the forum for that discussion. I would suggest you take your angst to MADB.

  • BYR Woods Cross, UT
    March 5, 2011 8:18 p.m.

    to byufootballrocks and any others who feel it would have been better to deal with the situation after the season, I offer a resounding NO!!!
    Here is why? the issue with Brandon aside, can you imagine the repercussions to BYU and the Church had the resolution been delayed until the summer? The honor code would have absolutely no value. We would be laughed at. Handling the issue when and how they did is the proper thing to do.

  • BYR Woods Cross, UT
    March 5, 2011 8:11 p.m.

    @ JBrady... yes, but there still are consequences. If we forgave AND ignored any punishment, there would be no sin.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    March 5, 2011 7:05 p.m.


    You're only the 20th ute "fan" this week voicing that fantasy. Why don't you just hope your own school improves rather than wishing, and wishing vainly, for your betters to simply quit so you can be better by default?

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    March 5, 2011 6:57 p.m.

    Winning basketball games are not as important as the honor code. Glad to have both.

  • ProudMama/Grandma Taylorsville, UT
    March 5, 2011 6:21 p.m.

    I applaud Brandon Davies for coming forward...BYU only made a comment as news had leaked out and they did so to protect as much as they could their student/ ball player, their brother and friend...We have agency...we can choose to exercise that agency any way we want, but we cannot choose the consequences of the choices we make...both good and bad...Brandon will be ok if he takes advantage of the Atonement...We need to each look into ourselves and quit throwing stones at BYU for upholding the rules, The Honor Code of the husband went there and signed that Honor Code every semester he was there...It is what it is and everyone going to school there knows it...Let us all keep Brandon in our prayers and support him the way he supported his team mates today, with his head held high! Good for You BYU!!! Go Cougars!!!

  • Just an old guy Centerville, UT
    March 5, 2011 4:36 p.m.

    It is sad, but he didn't spit on the sidewalk. In a world where anything goes, it is appropriate that a serious violation of the code should carry a serious consequence. I hope Brandon will suck it up, cope with the consequences of his actions, learn and move on with a productive and honorable life.

  • BobP Port Alice, B.C.
    March 5, 2011 1:28 p.m.

    The principle is much more important than a lost game or a lost tournament. May Davies have a real good season next year,

  • roquetman provo, UT
    March 5, 2011 12:48 p.m.

    That doesn't answer my question, and Max Hall did not proclaim truth, what I stated in my previous was verbatim from the honor code, so according to that his rant truthful or not was in violation. And no I'm not a Utah fan trying to defend, I really want to know why no action was taken. And if your going to argue over classless fans I was at the UNM basketball game in 2010, you might remember that one it was the one where New Mexico won and the student section started throwing stuff at the UNM players, remember remember.... Speaking of which was any action taken then anyone got an answer for that?

  • Ripsnorter Murray, Utah
    March 5, 2011 12:47 p.m.

    I suspect that notwithstanding the positive publicity BYU is getting now or has ever gotten BYU's Trustees will decide within my lifetime (I'm 32) that intercollegiate sports is not compatible with the mission of the School or the Church.

    This is only a story because of BYU's high ranking. No one would have blinked an eye if Tony Ingle would have tossed a kid for HC violations the year he coached BYU Basketball. And BYU's chances of getting back to a top-10 ranking playing only kids who obey the HC are slight.

    In short, this occasion and the positive publicity it's brought is a one-off. But publicity can and has also been bad for BYU Athletics. The Trustees are keenly aware of this and, looking north at BYU-Idaho, realize that BYU can still be BYU without BYU Athletics.

  • J-Dub Salt Lake City, UT
    March 5, 2011 12:31 p.m.

    I am tired of the self-congratulatory nature of this newspaper and many of the people of Utah in regards to this situation. Why can't you people just make a decision, and then drop it? Why do you need the validation of the media and national opinion? No, instead you need round after round of articles, beating the subject to death, at the expense of a young man who deserves to have his personal spiritual life kept private. Some will say that he made the decision to be in the spotlight when he chose to play basketball at BYU, and/or when he "transgressed," but I say that the fault lies with BYU and their asinine honor code. Maybe BYU should eliminate a system which denigrates and sensationalizes spiritual growth, and try Jesus and the atonement for a change.

  • Unbelievable West Jordan, Utah
    March 5, 2011 12:23 p.m.

    Regarding Roquetman;

    Maz Hall was telling the truth.

  • JSB Sugar City, ID
    March 5, 2011 12:16 p.m.

    From "A Man for All Seasons"

    "When a man takes an oath, he's holding his own self in his own hands
    like water, and if he opens his fingers then, he needn't hope to find
    himself again."

    BYU is giving Brandon the hope to find himself again.

  • Nostradamus Cottonwood Heights, UT
    March 5, 2011 12:05 p.m.

    Regardless of what BYU said, the truth would have surfaced. It would have been significantly more harmful if BYU had claimed "injury" but in reality it was an honor code violation.

    I am sure others knew of the situation and "investigative reporting" surfaced the actual violation.

    Brandon will be fine - I believe this because I so respect his actions. Everyone makes mistakes and he has taken the high road to improve. Honor is not a sibgle act, honor is based on sustained integrity and realizing it's not about the individual, it's about doing the right things.

    Kudos to BYU, Kudos to Brandon. I hope we see him playing again soon.

  • Mendel Iowa City, IA
    March 5, 2011 12:03 p.m.

    Riddle in the Dark @10:45am is exactly right. BYU had two pretty clear choices. Either be honest and forthcoming as they did, or initiate a cover-up. Imagine if BYU had allowed Brandon to play the remainder of the year, and then the truth came out that he had violated the honor code during the season and BYU looked the other way. BYU would have never heard the end of it, and there would have been a barrage of critical comments on sites like this. It is too bad that people are curious and that the media feeds that curiosity. Despite his youth, Brandon is apparently a public figure, and unfortunately the public attention given this matter became part of the consequences. I think he will do well and in the end benefit. No one wanted this for him. I wish him luck, and am proud of BYU.

  • byufootballrocks Herndon, VA
    March 5, 2011 12:02 p.m.

    Blue Coug,

    The matter in NOT private! Hardly. It's been reported widely in the press, which was inevitable because the announcement was made when the laser beam was focused on the team because of the NCAA run. That's the point.

    BYU did not treat Brandon as the other athlete I mentioned. That matter was dealt with out of the klieg lights. The "sledgehammer" is pulling him from the team at such a moment and just 24-hours after the matter came to light. That put the laser beam on the situation itself, leading to his specific sin leaking out to a frenzied press, and now the entire world knows! That's the sledgehammer.

    Each of us might be served to try to carry that weight ourselves to see what it might feel like. And it could have been avoided. That's my point.

    What's hypocritical about handling it in a way that doesn't crush that person?
    We're not talking about taking away normal consequences - losing team membership, possible suspension from BYU, etc. It's the issue of WHEN you do those things.

  • Solomon the Wise Alpine, UT
    March 5, 2011 11:58 a.m.

    Gordon Monson, columnist for another SL newspaper, wrote a lengthy article criticizing BYU for not handling Brandon's case PRIVATELY.

    Interesting, since it was that other SL newspaper that dug up and announced PUBLICALLY to the world the details of Brandon's violation, including the name of the other person involved.

    People who don't like BYU, will always find something to criticize, regardless of what BYU does.

    All the more reason for BYU to enforce the Honor Code in exactly the same way for all students.

  • Balan West Jordan, Utah
    March 5, 2011 11:51 a.m.

    If anyone REALLY questioned what BYU's "Quest for Perfection" is, well, there should be no questions now. People are ALWAYS > sports.

    Best wishes to Brandon. Hope to see you next year in a Cougar uniform.

  • deductive reasoning Arlington, VA
    March 5, 2011 11:34 a.m.

    The same critics who think BYU acted too harshly in suspending Brandon

    and that this whole situation should have been handled PRIVATELY,

    those same critics would have EXCORIATED BYU for trying to sweep this under the rug and being hypocritical for having a double-standard for athletes,

    as soon as knowledge of Brandon's relationship with his girlfriend leaked out,

    which was GUARANTEED to happen.

  • BlueCoug Orem, UT
    March 5, 2011 11:15 a.m.


    Every case is different.

    It's one thing to handle a violation quietly, in the offseason, when a player isn't actively officially representing the university.

    It's quite a different challenge to handle such a serious violation in the middle of one of the most outstanding seasons in BYU basketball history when BYU is in the eye of the storm of media attention.

    BYU treated Brandon EXACTLY like your unnamed former BYU athlete. The same "3-pound hammer" was used in both cases.

    Tough love.

    Brandon was dismissed over UNSPECIFIED honor code violations. As far as BYU's actions, the details have remained largely private.

    And BYU is working closely with Brandon to help him repent, return to the team, and, hopefully, become an outstanding representative of BYU in the future.

    I know Brandon personally. In fact, he's been in my home several times.

    If I'd wanted to, I could have easily found out the details of Brandon's violation with a simple phone call to close friends of his family.

    As a friend, I have confidence that Brandon will emerge from this refiner's fire a much better person.

  • grip Meridian, ID
    March 5, 2011 10:52 a.m.

    Here is a fine young man who willingly accepted his responsibility and is willing to be accountable for his actions - whatever they were. Here is a university who is willing to also be responsible and accountable - and who respected Brandon's privacy and, I am certain, did not divulge the action leading to this young man's suspension.

    I am a BYU graduate. I am grateful for BYU's consistent sense of direction. I am grateful for a fine young man who is willing to be honest, responsible and accountable for his decision. These attributes should be more widely accepted and used in society.

    Of course, I am deeply disappointed as an ardent fan of BYU sports which is a small part of a great university. May all those affected become stronger in their sense of direction.

  • Riddles in the Dark Olympus Cove, Utah
    March 5, 2011 10:45 a.m.

    BYU's handling of Brandon's Honor Code violation proves that you can't please all of the people all of the time.

    After Brandon self-reported the serious violation, BYU had no choice but to suspend him from the team.

    With that done, BYU had no choice but to announce the suspension publicly.

    Critics saying that BYU should have handled this privately simply don't live in the real world.

    It's impossible to keep something of this nature from eventually leaking out.

    Someone would have talked - a friend, classmate, relative, or friend of a friend.

    And, as soon as that happened, it would have made the situation MUCH, MUCH worse for Brandon and for BYU.

    BYU would have been accused of being hypocritical for having a double-standard for star athletes.

    Brandon would have been raked over the coals of public outrage as just another athlete receiving preferential treatment.

    The attempt to "handle this privately" would have been a dissaster.

    And the BYU Honor Code would have been viewed by the world as a sham because BYU would have broken the first provision of the Honor Code - honesty.

  • byufootballrocks Herndon, VA
    March 5, 2011 10:35 a.m.

    This is not about the honor code or basketball.

    It's the application of the honor code when violated, balancing punitive actions with the lifelong welfare of the person.

    You don't need a 90-pound sledgehammer when a 3-pound hammer will do the job. The mallet will do plenty of unintended damage - some irreparable. Heres a young man of promise, reputation, and contribution who made a mistake.

    A prominent BYU athlete in the 1980's, DURING THE OFFSEASON, was dismissed over UNSPECIFIED honor code violations. Details remained largely private. He repented, returned, and became an outstanding contributor at BYU and respected community and church leader. Today few know he had a problem, or what it was about.

    That's love. With justice.

    To carry at such a young age the weight of ones sin and the knowledge it is trumpeted across society is an enormous load to bear beyond what was necessary. Who would like to try it and see?

    Pulling Brandon from the team and announcing publicly the honor code violation threw this 19-year-old into the lions den of a local and national NCAA basketball media feeding frenzy a sledgehammer indeed.

  • Cougar Claws Lindon, UT
    March 5, 2011 10:23 a.m.

    Re: Cali Coug

    This is why I think if this happens it should be told to the public that if a team member gets suspended, that's all the public has to know. All they should say is a team member has been suspended for an undisclosed violation of team rules, PERIOD. Whatever the reason is, it's no ones business but the parties involved, not the media's, not the happy valley community's, nobody but the parties invlolved. It doesn't matter if it's because of academics, or sluffing a practice, or fornicating, IT'S NOT OUR BUSINESS TO KNOW. Then, wait until the tournament is over and the student's status has been determined, and THEN publish it to the media. All people have to know is that a student is suspended, that's it. There might be speculation as a result, but that's better than the media circus that we just witnessed.

  • Cougar Claws Lindon, UT
    March 5, 2011 10:16 a.m.

    Re: Cali Coug

  • Remember when St George, UT
    March 5, 2011 10:15 a.m.

    RE:TaipeiModerate You mean "lie" to the media? Wow! Actually the "media backlash" has been fairly positive towards the fact that individuals and institutions live by the rules that are set beforehand. It's the posters who don't understand commitment and integrety that are having a difficult time with the whole matter.

  • roquetman provo, UT
    March 5, 2011 10:15 a.m.

    "Use clean language,Respect others." "obscene or indecent conduct or expressions; disorderly or disruptive conduct."
    Those are right out of the honor code so can someone explain why no action was taken against Max Hall when he obviously broke it?

  • Cali Coug Visalia, CA
    March 5, 2011 9:45 a.m.

    Re: Sl & Taipei

    You are both correct, this is a private matter between those envolved...however, how can we justify lying to protect the privacy of a public figure? The school, under media pressure, announced a student was dismissed from the basketball team for an honor code violation. No more, no less. Details of the violation were not released by the school, but the school did address questions regarding the Honor Code.

    As the article stated, we all wish this had never happened...but it did so it is addressed. As a member of the Cougar Nation I hope only the very best for Brandon...if he plays basketball for BYU again does not matter to me; but I do hope he continues his education at BYU, that he graduates from BYU. It is a great school and an honor to be painted True Blue.

  • TaipeiModerate New Haven, CT
    March 5, 2011 9:19 a.m.

    SL: I totally agree with you on this. I think that BYU was wrong in handlimg Davies' situation like everyone else's- the normal contingincies allow for enough privacy for the individual violator so that the repentance process is undisturbed and private. I suggest that BYU should have recognized the extreme media backlash, let Brandon sit out with his "quad injury," and formally impose sanctions in private after the season ended.

  • Cougar Claws Lindon, UT
    March 5, 2011 9:16 a.m.

    Re: Mom

    I can't disagree with anything you said, but the way you said it somehow rubs me the wrong way.

    I think the focus of "suffer the consequences" in this case should be on the "consequences" part, not on the "suffering" part. I think sometimes as members of the church certain individuals (not necessarily saying you) somehow take pleasure if other members of the church SUFFER for their sins because they transgressed, and they keep the major rules most of the time. Be careful in how you judge situations. You need to keep in mind too that this kids dirty laundry has been aired across the nation, and nothing you visit the bishop about gets publicized to the media. You might say "well it was his choice to be a public figure" but that's easy for you to say because it didn't happen to you. What if it was one of your children? Would you want their transgressions to be published to the nation?

    I don't fault BYU for suspending Davies, but perhaps they could have said it was for an undisclosed violation of team rules. Because really it's none of our business anyway.

  • 3grandslams Iowa City, IA
    March 5, 2011 9:15 a.m.

    Niles Kinnick would be proud of BYU.

  • SL Rexburg, ID
    March 5, 2011 9:05 a.m.

    Okay, okay, enough self-congratulation on this issue. I hate how this has turned into a look-how-much-integrity-we-have PR campaign, especially at the expense of someone's privacy.

  • nosaerfoecioveht NSL, UT
    March 5, 2011 8:57 a.m.

    I've always been, and will always be a Ute fan.

    But I've never been more proud to be a BYU graduate.

  • BlueCoug Orem, UT
    March 5, 2011 8:56 a.m.


    "Where is the compassion?"

    The compassion is the love and support Brandon is receiving to help him turn his life around and helping him be all they he can be.

    To delay or minimize the consequences of a serious violation of the Honor Code wouldn't be honest to Brandon and every other BYU student.

  • Jonathan Eddy Payson, UT
    March 5, 2011 8:54 a.m.

    This incident is a dramatic representation of the cascading consequences that can follow poor decision making. A very good athlete made the right choice about admitting to a wrong choice. He'll now have to take whatever measures that are necessary to resolve his honor code violations. Painful? Yes. But hopefully this becomes a character building experience. The team also suffers but will surely try to do the best that they can without a strong inside presence. As we approach the March tournament, the BYU team, the university, the fans and perhaps the entire world may witness first hand just how much collateral damage can occur from just one temporary error in judgment.

    I'm sad for those that may be affected by this highly publicized event however I am glad that this took place in a sports venue. Sports today are tainted with great athletes with no accountability for their self indulgent behavior. Our children, for how they idolize these public figures are tainted with such a skewed picture of reality. BYU's steadfast decision to remain true to their standards is a shining beacon to students everywhere that are trying to make sense of their moral compass.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    March 5, 2011 8:51 a.m.


    Obviously from your screen name you have an unreasonable hate for Dick Cheney and are therfor incapable of rational thought on this matter. But just in case you are capable of being educated I will explain this for you.

    The writer of the article did not link this incident with Dick Cheney. BYU's spokesperson, Carrie jenkins, simply stated that this was the largest quantity of media calls she had taken since Dick Cheney spoke at BYU several years ago. That's it. There was no political comparison. There wasn't even any sort of attempt to praise Cheney, although I believe him to be a good amn and excellent person, she simply said she hadn't taken this many calls since that time. It gave us a frame of reference as to the quantity involved as we all know a vice presidential visit, regardless of the party of the vice president, will elicit attention.

    In the future you ought to try to not make yourself appear to be so dogmatic that the meer mention of a mans name sends you into outrage. It certainly doesn't elicit respect for your political positions.

  • Observation-ist Ogden, UT
    March 5, 2011 8:19 a.m.

    Those of us who are living by our faith are not casting stones at Brandon. I, for one, am uber sad about his error and the seemingly enormous consequences that choice will have on him and the team.

    However, equal to my sadness over his choice, I'm pleased at his willingness to voluntarily admit to and take responsibility for his actions. I'm also hopeful that he will continue on the path to rectify his life and resolve to live by an Honor Code he agreed with. I firmly believe that he will receive a very warm welcome back by those who actually live by thier LDS faith. I'm all for 2nd chances. It's called repentance.

    Perhaps (hopefully) the understanding that there are way more important things in life than an NCAA Basketball Championship (or Final Four appearance) will be firmly rooted in his (and his teammates) character. The rewards of living a life of making and keeping commitments, of complete fidelity to your spouse, and of understanding the sacred nature and blessngs of intimacy are far greater than the accolades of NCAA Basketball success.

    Brandon, best wishes. You'll be missed ... and welcomed back!

  • Hawkeye79 Iowa City, IA
    March 5, 2011 8:16 a.m.


    What you are calling "another chance" would be more accurately described as a "free pass." You sound like you would like for there to be no consequences for breaking a commitment. Facing appropriate consequences and receiving another chance are not mutually exclusive events.

    The final decision on whether Davies will be given another chance next year has still not been made. Nobody has said that he will not receive another chance. They have only enforced some of the predetermined consequences for his choices.

  • Mom of 8 Hyrum, UT
    March 5, 2011 8:02 a.m.

    It's very simple: if you want to attend BYU, you adhere to the Honor Code.

    If you don't adhere, you pay the consequences. Even if you are repentant, there are consequences that must immediately be taken care of. Paying your part of the price is part of the atonement.

    That's called responsibility.

    Any attempt to get around that, delay it, or otherwise excuse yourself from it is rationalization. Satan is the master of the rationalization.

    This is all about making worthy, faithful men and women. In the eternal perspective, sports is nothing.

  • Red Headed Stranger Billy Bobs, TX
    March 5, 2011 7:20 a.m.

    I graduated from BYU, and am a proud supporter of my alma mater. For what it is worth, here in Texas people have gone out of their way to let me know that they truly respect what BYU has done. I was telling people before that "BYU won't play on Sunday - they'd forfeit first." I agree with steps taken, but I just wish it were possible that it could have happened much more discretely. Rarely has so much attention been focused on a young man like what has happened in the past 3 days. May God bless him, and I hope he learns the power and hope behind the words "forgiveness", "redemption", "repentance" and most importantly "atonement". There are things infinitely more important than basketball.

    My contempt for the Salt Lake Tribune grows with every passing day. But what can you expect from a "newspaper" that places pictures of the LDS temple ceremony on the front page of their website.

  • FDRfan Sugar City, ID
    March 5, 2011 6:44 a.m.

    The linking of the BYU Honor Code incident to Dick Cheneys visit seems unfortunate. In the former you have something like lemonade but what kind of sweet nectar do you get from aligning BYU with Dick Cheney?

  • byufootballrocks Herndon, VA
    March 5, 2011 4:36 a.m.

    My comment "great damage is done to Brandon Davies" was not about the Honor Code at all. I support the honor code wholeheartedly.

    I just disagree that it was necessary AT THAT HOUR to come out and publicly declare that Brandon had broken the Honor Code and suspend him. In fact, it may well have harmed him.

    BYU had what, 5 or 6 games left, counting the tournament? He came forward, apparently repentant, and so here's a golden opportunity to support him in that process partly by protecting his privacy. It could have been handled discretely after the season, which would still sustain BYU's policies and at the same time bless Brandon.

    He is a public person, but it was a private and not a public sin. But because of the announcement and its aftermath, it is now a very public matter.

    So he carries the weight of the negative affect of his absense on a team in pursuit of a final four appearance - something that for many athletes would be a sting that could last a lifetime - as well as seeing his transgression trumpeted on tv, radio, and newspapers all over the world.

    And he's 19.

  • Middle of the Road Home Town USA, UT
    March 5, 2011 3:47 a.m.

    And don't forget that BYU was also voted the number one, stone-cold sober university in the (U.S.) nation for about the tenth year. It is who we are, and yes there are those who do not drink alcohol.

    The world can mock the sobriety of Brigham Young University, but isn't is better to be known for something like that which shows self-discipline in keeping the standards we agree to keep?

    Rock on. The best to Brandon Davies. It took a lot of courage and integrity for him to self-report.

  • JBrady Murray, Ut
    March 5, 2011 3:45 a.m.

    Where is the compassion? If he only broke the law once, aren't we forgiving enough to give him another chance?