Dick Harmon: New Mexico is the carrier of BYU's poison cup

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  • Jasp_Likes_Hoops Rio Rancho, NM
    March 4, 2011 10:43 a.m.

    "They played well and beat us," Rose said. "Now we're faced with a new challenge and that is to try to respond after we've been beat."

  • Jasp_Likes_Hoops Rio Rancho, NM
    March 4, 2011 10:36 a.m.

    This reminds me a lot of the game last year when NM beat BYU. Most fans (not all) were blaming the officiated. I can recall Tavernari yelling and screaming at the REFs and at Steve Alford after the game. He would have been ejected in any other venu. It is well-known to everyone that plays BYU at home, that BYU gets that calls. They didn't get the calls in this game. It looked pretty fair from my chair. I haven't seen any comments about Abou tackling Gary, knocking him 10 feet back and out of bounds with the ball going to BYU. If wasn't the refs. BYU didn't play as well as NM. That is why they lost. BYU will need to regroup before the tourament. Old school is correct about one thing: Tournament play is very physical and refs will let them play. BYU needs to find presence in the paint and a competitive line-up. I believe Rose and the team can do that. Good Luck to BYU, but please quit blaming the refs. They lost fair and square. They are not the same team without Davies.

  • oldschool Farmington, UT
    March 4, 2011 8:59 a.m.

    Well, I watched the game on TV, but the game was not in HD. The replays also were very poor. Yes, the refs made some poor calls to start the game, frustrating BYU and energizing New Mexico. Some of the calls were obviously bad, and what was annoying was the inconsistency. The first foul of the game was called on the BYU center who had his arms straight up, and if there was any contact at all, it was slight. But at the other end there often was a great deal of contact and no whistle. And that was what frustrated the Cougars and especially Jimmer, who took a lot of bad shots and would have been better off concentrating on his game and being patient instead of worrying about the officiating. Still, with the way New Mexico was shooting the ball, the Cougars would have had to play far better than they did to win. I think all this will help BYU in the NCAA tournament, however, because refs tend to let things go in the tourney, and with all the physical defense that BYU has had to endure this year, the Cougars will be well prepared.

  • Jasp_Likes_Hoops Rio Rancho, NM
    March 4, 2011 7:50 a.m.

    I am glad to hear that Davies is now in communication with Alford and Neil. He is a potential NBA prospect. He may as well play for the team that always beats BYU.

  • oldschool Farmington, UT
    March 4, 2011 12:36 a.m.

    I'm about to watch the game on DVR after seeing it in person last night. From my seat it appeared that the referees were extremely one-sided, and yet I'm the guy in the crowd who usually supports the refs when they make good calls with which the home crowd disagrees. There wasn't much defending to do Wednesday. I intend to look at the start of that game to see how often the refs got things right. It's a lot easier to tell on HD TV.

    Still, I didn't think Rose made the proper adjustments. When the Cougars got down by 20 there was only one way to come back, and that was to put on a press, force a bunch of turnovers and get the crowd going. The few times that the Cougars put on a hard double team, the Lobo being defended usually got a bit panicky, but nobody was playing the passing lanes.

    Jimmer was cold. Not even I have missed the entire backboard from five feet away.

  • bigutefan Las Vegas, NV
    March 4, 2011 12:23 a.m.

    I get that players sign up for the honor code. But I don't get the public humilation that byu makes the players go through by dismissing them and tossing them out like they are a disease. Is that what the guy upstairs really wants his peeps to be doing and treating people? I feel bad for Davies, in reality, anywhere else, he is normal. Why is this happening over and over to african american students in provo? That is the question. I'm not buying the lets give the school praise for showing honor. The school threw a kid to the side and told him he was a bad guy and judged him as evil. Sorry, that is not right.

  • deseret pete robertson, Wy
    March 3, 2011 9:56 p.m.

    Lets just go forward --- We seem to forget all the other games we played and won and they were good teams.We all have a bad game now and then.If you have been watching other top teams you know they have lost some games they should have won.As a true BYU fan I look at the whole picture and say thanks for what you have done.Win or lose won't change my support for the coaches and the team. Many teams in the country would be happy to have our record.

  • eastcoastcoug Danbury, CT
    March 3, 2011 5:58 p.m.


    I am mystified by Rose's lack of prep for both UNM games but to call him "marginal at best" is ignoring his record and the observations by people far more qualified than you or me.

  • moodyblue77 Provo, UT
    March 3, 2011 4:51 p.m.

    Proud to be a Cougar fan. Proud to be associated with the university and its standards.

    This game was always going to be a trap game. New Mexico doesn't have much fear of BYU. But Coach Rose got it right when he said if they played that way every night they'd be a good team.

    I suspect the team even with Davies would have lost last night.

    MWC officiating from anybody's perspective is bad, but the war by officials in conference against BYU has been horrifying. If Steve Kerr and Clark Kellogg can see and comment on it, it's pretty obvious.

    After next week, we can all just let the MWC rot and get on with the better life to come for BYU and Utah.

  • Parkercoug Parker, CO
    March 3, 2011 4:22 p.m.

    Poorest job of coaching by Coach Rose that i have seen. He should have settled his team down at the beginning. But they were off, and no changes were made. Why did sit Abuo for a huge chunk of the second half? He was the only one rebounding.

  • Jasp_Likes_Hoops Rio Rancho, NM
    March 3, 2011 3:46 p.m.

    I would not like to be Wyoming on Jimmer's senior night. Coach Rose will find the right line-up and get things turned around in time for the MWC and NCAA tournament. 1 Seed? No. 3 seed? Why not. Good luck to Davies. He's a good kid that will learn a lot about commitment. This experience will eventually help him in life. Good luck to BYU in the MWC and NCAA tournament. This team is too good to let one player and one bad loss stop them. They had an off night and ran into a NM team that was blazing hot. Gordon is a beast inside. Someone from BYU needs to step up and become a beast. You only get 24 hours to be down:) Saturday is a tune-up game for the MWC, and senior night. With that said, it's time to get over the loss and enjoy the success of this program.

  • Duh west jordan, ut
    March 3, 2011 3:06 p.m.

    Will you all just get over yourselves. New Mexico has BYU's number like BYU has San Diego State's Number. BYU had to retool their offense in two days, they looked lost, they were reeling from their loss of Davies. They had a horrible shooting night and give New Mexico credit, they played great offense. I am sure that even with Davies, BYU was doomed last night. I don't think BYU is falling apart, Rose is a great coach, he will get this figured out in time to play the tournament. I can see all the bandwagoners jumping ship. Only true fans will stick with BYU through all of this. I mean, they have only lost 3 games this season, it's not like they have completely collapsed or anything. Wait until they are no longer playing ball to cry about it. So what if they end up with a 3 or 4 seed. Now the pressure is off of them. Now will they go far in the tournament? Not if they can't get the big man issue figured out in time. The big loss will mean a big drop in the polls though.

  • Jasp_Likes_Hoops Rio Rancho, NM
    March 3, 2011 2:30 p.m.

    Those blaming this game on the REFS are amazing. Watching the game on TV, I could hear what the fans wanted to be called, but the replays showed quite different story. How about when Aboiuo freight trained Gary and they called it out of bounds on NM? Yes, they let them play a physical game, but BYU set that tone. They wanted the game to be physical. The truth is, BYU lost to NM the last four times they played. I think it's safe to say NM has BYU's number in a big way. I feel bad for BYU losing Davies. He's a great player, but throw in his average numbers and NM still wins. NM played a great game. BYU didn't. BYU better hope they don't draw NM again in the MWC tournament or they may face another loss. In addition, NM didn't have a very good conference season due to much hidden injury and illness. That team is much better than their record indicates, and very dangerous. Good Luck Cougars. It's not over. You will do well in the NCAA tournament, even without Davies.

  • Tommy2Shoes Lehi, UT
    March 3, 2011 2:30 p.m.

    I was in my normal seat at the game and was hopeful that the team would respond to the dismissal with energy. They tried but couldn't get shots to fall and were discouraged by the 10 minute mark. NM shot the ball well and rebounded on offense very well. If NM plays like that from now on they'll do very well. We will do better this Saturday against Wyoming if we shoot better. I wasn't impressed by the refs but they didn't cause us to lose. Coach has 2 days to get the ship righted. Next week might be a little rough if he doesn't get the team playing to their potential. NCAA tourney might be a very short venture. Seeding might be in the 5 to 7 range if we continue to lose. This is not going to be what we hoped for but sometimes reality is tough. Hope Brandon stays and deals with whatever he needs to so that he can become a better man.

  • street11 Heber, UT
    March 3, 2011 2:24 p.m.

    i went to the game, the bottom line was the New Mexico shot the lights out. Yes the cougars played horrible and you can say what you want about the refs but no one was beating new mexico last night.

  • Al Bundy murray, ut
    March 3, 2011 1:44 p.m.

    Did the ref's pull down all those boards? Hit all those shots? It was a home game! The loss of Davies was evident! UNM went iside on the first possesion!

  • Mount Olympus Holladay, UT
    March 3, 2011 12:37 p.m.

    5-26 from behind the 3 point line, and you are blaming the refs?
    You lost by 18 points and it was never really close after the first 2 minutes of the game.

    BYU played its worst game of the year, after playing its best game of the year against SDSU.

  • BlueHusky Mission Viejo, CA
    March 3, 2011 12:04 p.m.

    It was obvious that the Cougars were distracted, distraught, and in mourning. They had no energy, no spark.

    Losing (not loosing like so many of you literati spell the word) Davies that way is upsetting. I couldn't sleep the night I heard the news. It doesn't help that I consider BYU's enforcement of morality to be in opposition to gospel principles.

    The team was hurting - their rhythm disrupted, their energy gone. How would you have reacted?

    The talking heads seemed to think that Davies' suspension was like an injury. Shrug it off and keep the pedal down.

    This is different, emotional, devastating. The team's chemistry has been destroyed, maybe temporarily, maybe permanently. A good kid gets his mistake spread over every news outlet in the country. I am enraged that BYU does this stuff to kids. It casts a very bad light on BYU and its mission. What earthly good comes out of this treatment for "sinners"? Do we cast them out of the wards?

    When BYU boots out a student for morality issues I ask myself "Is this what Jesus would have done?"

    I don't think so.

  • SoCalUte Trabuco Canyon, CA
    March 3, 2011 11:33 a.m.

    I truly feel bad for the BYU basketball team. They had a lot of promise and a real shot of making it to the final four. Now, because of the unfortunate mistake of one player, they probably won't make it past the 'sweet 16'.

    Now, as for some of the other posts on this article. I find it really pathetic that it was somehow the refs fault that the cewgies lost by 18 points.(could have easily been 20)
    I don't know how this works,.. but somehow the cewgies NEVER lose a game, they just get "hosed by the refs".
    Just saying...Proud to be a Ute fan.

  • Pavalova Surfers Paradise, AU
    March 3, 2011 11:14 a.m.

    Please, this was not about the loss of Davies OR the refs last night. This team choked plain and simple. They were taking shots you'd see in a game of h-o-r-s-e. Abouo and Hartsuk couldn't hit an open 3 if you paid them, and Emery couldn't hit water if he was in a boat. Every single loose ball ended up in the hands of a lobo player. The team played scared, and it showed last night.

    Conversely, UNM hit everything they put up...from all over the court. Why did the defensive strategy not change to cool the Lobos down? There's plenty of blame to go around, but please don't use the refs as the scapegoat on this on. The blame clearly rests with the team wearing white last night.

    The good thing is that we have WYO coming on Saturday. Which team will show up then?

  • mrchmdness rio rancho, nm
    March 3, 2011 10:49 a.m.

    Its really poor sportsmanship when you blame the refs for last nights game! Anyone who watched the game in the arena or on tv knew the refs let them play. UNM was really hot last night - get over yourselves. They played well enough to beat any team in the MWC last night.

  • mahblah77 Eagle Mountain, Ut
    March 3, 2011 10:11 a.m.

    Great job Cougars! Hey, there was one day the nation was talking about a number one seed, so I hope you enjoyed that day, it will never happen again. Jimmer, you are going to get killed in the NBA! Play some defense! Oh, prehaps if Jimmer shot the ball 30 more times, BYU would have only lost by 10. There are a lot of teams like New Mexico that will be in the dance - good luck trying to win one game. If BYu beats Wyoming twice, they will get rocked by Colorado St or New Mexico for the third time :) Best of luck to Davies, he will be sorely missed. Emery is a stud, but no big men will kill the Cougs. Poor showing last night - sad pathetic showing.

  • toosmartforyou Farmington, UT
    March 3, 2011 9:34 a.m.


    Yes, Utah lucked out and beat UNM. UNM dioesn't bring their best game against Utah and they don't have the mental edge over the Utes like they have over BYU. Now, how did Utah do against all the other teams in the MWC, as compared to BYU? Which team defeated Utah State, Weber State and Utah twice?

    If Rose is marginal, where is Boylen, according to you? I'd reserve judgement until those Aggies play in the NCAA Tournament. Good luck to all those teams from the State of Utah and the MWC who actually get an invite to March Madness.

  • toosmartforyou Farmington, UT
    March 3, 2011 9:27 a.m.

    During the first game in New Mexico BYU had a 13-point lead (53-40) and lost. Coach Rose watched UNM score 12 straight points and just sat on the bench. A time-out when they had an 8-point run potentially would have significantly changed the momentum in that game. This time he called an early time-out but BYU played NO defense; they got NO calls from the officials (such as Hartsock being fouled over the back, having a held-ball and then the UNM player stole the ball and NO whistle); and an emotionally drained team, staff and fans. My son told me he could sense defeat when he entered the building before tip-off.

    Now that reality has struck, I hope they re-group and see what they can do. If Davies had been injured the same players would have to step up and contribute, but this was such an emotional thing. Now we need the Y to rise to the occasion and take care of business. They can do that. What a shame they need to share the conference crown with SDSU, who they handily defeated twice. Play harder and smarter Y!

  • TexasAg Humble, TX
    March 3, 2011 9:25 a.m.

    To all those that complain about officiating, look to your own team first. The ref excuse is just a poor way to excuse such a bad performance. Look at rebounding, shooting percentage, pretty sure the refs didn't go 1-9 from 3 point range. It was your poster boy.

    Officiating is the lamest excuse out there. Get over it and just admit you got beat by a team that was better last night.

  • fan32 St. George, Utah
    March 3, 2011 8:33 a.m.

    Doesn't last night confirm the poor decision of BYU to kick Davies off the way they did? Davies' poor decision went way beyond the BYU honor code. It affected so many things beyond Davies. BYU should be ashamed the way that decision went down. It could have and should have been handled differently. The worst decision in BYU sports history.

  • nehu Kaysville, UT
    March 3, 2011 8:29 a.m.

    I have no dog in this fight as I'm an Aggie fan but I do find it ironic that despite all the BYU bravado and smack toward the Ute fans out there, that the Utes can beat UNM and BYU simply chokes.

    A lot of comments about the refs and I feel they had an impact but BYU was so poor at rebounding and shooting that they couldn't have beat Provo high.

    Dave Rose is a marginal coach at best. This BYU team oozes with talent but most of the time the best they can manage is a contested 3 pointer? Really? I guess it works when you are as talented as BYU but get a team with a little athleticizm and it spells disaster, BYU is horribly exposed. That was evident last night.

    I do give my best to Davies, he'll make it back.

  • satch Highland, UT
    March 3, 2011 8:24 a.m.

    I really cannot believe anyone would blame the officiating. As a cougar fan I watched the game and would say the reason BYU lost is ONLY because of themselves.

    Poor shooting. If your going to continue to throw three's like that your going to lose. Many of the 3's were very poor selections of shots. Yes, Jimmer looked terrible! He had many "open" threes and missed.

    Their inside play was exposed. Can anyone get a rebound? Seriously, poor boxing out. New Mexico is a good team. But I cannot believe how poorly BYU played as a team and shot the ball at home.

    Blame no one but yourselves, especially not the officiating. By halftime BYU was shooting 24% from the field. They were getting beat in rebounding, and had tons of turnovers.

  • mohrman Payson, UT
    March 3, 2011 8:20 a.m.

    I have noticed a trend for BYU basketball games since New Mexico won the the first game in the Pit. At a time when BYU seemed in control, New Mexico cranked up the physical play and whistles fell silent. Since then, all the teams are playing BYU much more physical and the officiating is interesting. It is almost as if the MWC does not BYU to be the representative since of course they are leaving. While officiating last night did not cause the horrible shooting, officiating does though influence games, the tempo and players who then play frustrated are not as effective, which is pretty obvious. That is something though the team needs to deal with as play through but it can be hard when it is more and more one sided in the MWC. I remember a few games back when an official told Dave Rose to pull Jimmer because he was losing his cool...I thought at that time, hmmm, who was the real problem. Anyway, Davies is a loss but BYU has other players that can step up if they want their chance just like others have. Good luck BYU and remember to have fun!

  • IDC Boise, ID
    March 3, 2011 8:09 a.m.

    What is the deal with NM and BYU. NM looks unstoppable against BYU. Seems like 3 of their guys have a career night when they play the Cougs. Here's to hoping BYU can bounce back and have a good run in the tourney.

  • dustman Nampa, ID
    March 3, 2011 7:49 a.m.

    BYU lost all control last night. They all fell apart. Coach Rose, who usually makes great adjustments, wondered where his team went.

    Turns out Davies was carrying the load this year and letting Jimmer take all the credit. Jimmer can shoot, but Davies can make points, rebound, and actually played defense.

    If BYU's starting five don't show some leadership on Saturday, Wyoming will clean up. They hustle and rebound the entire game. They don't shoot that well, but those kids in Wyoming hustle.

    If the refs don't call it tight, BYU will have some troubles. They rely on a tightly called game. I just hope they can keep their cool and play.

  • eastcoastcoug Danbury, CT
    March 3, 2011 7:28 a.m.

    Typical of my Cougs - make a big win and then lose to someone they SHOULD beat. How many years have we seen this in both football and basketball? But this was exceptional with a possible number 1 seeding, POY, a chance to actually get past the first round of the NCAA's. All they had to do was play up to their potential. No BYU team has ever lost like this with so much on the line.

    I'm not sure which was worse: Davies' infraction and getting kicked off the team or the total collapse of the team last night AT HOME. This certainly doesn't bode well for Rose who can't get his boys up when it counts. If they can't get up after a big game with SDSU (twice), what do they think the post-season is about??

    And Jimmer, how many 30 footers do you need to clang before you stop shooting 3's? Even I could score 30 if I shot as many times as you.

    We may now not even make it through the MWC tournament. What a quick turnaround!!

  • BYUHOCKEY American Fork, UT
    March 3, 2011 7:24 a.m.

    I was at the game. Emotional let down for sure. The poorest reffing i have ever seen combined with some of the poorest cougar shooting percentages and that spelled disaster. I would hope a formal investigation into the reffing would take place. Blatant non-calls and blatant poor calls. Very sad. It felt as if the commissioner had instructed the refs to make bad calls reminiscent of "Remember the Titans" starring Denzel Washington. How many times does a star player have to be hit on the shoulder, then the body then the wrist and still not get a foul called on the defenders - all 3 to 4 of them!!! I guess about 15-20 times. This is one of the reasons basketball is a joke of a sport. The refs have too much control of the game. This is why church ball is so dangerous - poor reffing. I applaud BYU players for keeping their cool on the court as they were playing 5 on 8 with New Mexico having an additional 3 guys in stripes on their team for most of the game.

  • Fishtec Kenmore, WA
    March 3, 2011 6:47 a.m.

    "He couldn't hit from the inside, neither could his teammates, so he drove and pounded it in the paint." This makes no sense, obviously you meant outside!

  • The Rock Federal Way, WA
    March 3, 2011 6:29 a.m.

    "All it took to humble BYU as a No. 3 ranked team was New Mexico."

    And three extremely bias referees. My daughter was at the game and it was obvious, even to she who knows little about the game (her words), that a BYU player cannot foul from ten feet away from the guy he supposedly fouled.

  • mtseatss Salt Lake City, Utah
    March 3, 2011 5:25 a.m.

    If this were happening to our rival, the Colorado Buffaloes, I might be pleased. Here's to a Cougar comeback.

  • Bo Jangles Meridian, ID
    March 3, 2011 12:43 a.m.

    From the eyes of a homer...

    "If you polled the crowd, he should have shot 10 more from the stripe. He had a finger scrape on his left arm near his elbow crease, pink shoulders and forearms. He kept checking his appendages like he couldn't believe they were still attached to sinew"

    a little dramatic

  • The Cucamongan Rancho Cucamonga, CA
    March 2, 2011 10:50 p.m.

    The dream of a Final Four visit was fun for a couple of days. Does Trent Plaisted have a year of eligibility left?