Enforcing E-Verify

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  • DN Subscriber Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Feb. 27, 2011 9:08 a.m.

    Pass the bill and enforce the laws!

    It is always harder and more expensive, and brings hardship when people obey laws.

    Labor costs more when you pay all the taxes mandated. It is more expensive to add safety equipment and inspections. It costs employers a lot to pay the "match" on social security withholding. Workers take home less because taxes are withheld, and sometimes they will not get jobs because they lack the required certifications, minimum age, fail drug tests, etc.

    If you cannot find enough workers to do your jobs, you may need to pay higher wages, work flexible hours or add benefits or other incentives. True, that will raise costs and prices, but the market will determine if your product of service is viable at the real cost involved.

    At the extremes, bank robbers would take home less "income" to support their families if robbery laws are enforced, so who bother enforcing them either?

    Therefore, I don't want to hear all the whining about how obeying immigration laws will cost more or be a hardship.

    Pass the bill and enforce the laws, all the laws, especially the immigration laws!

  • Alfred SLC, Utah
    Feb. 26, 2011 10:53 p.m.

    If Neanderthal is correct (and I have no doubt he/she is) the state (and country) is full of unindicted felons. I think law enforcement should get their rears in gear and get some laws enforced. And that means you, AG Eric Holder and his boss, Obama.

  • cturnerxray Payson, Utah
    Feb. 26, 2011 7:41 p.m.

    Where did the D-News get the data to support that "50% of Utah businesses" are using E-Verify? The current list of Utah companies shows less than 4000 are registered to use E-Verify. There are certainly more than 8000 businesses in this state!

  • Neanderthal SLC, Utah
    Feb. 26, 2011 4:06 p.m.

    State Law enforcement should make themselves aware that there is on the books a federal laws making aiding and abetting illegal immigrants a felony.

    To wit: 8 USC 1324 - "A person (including a group of persons, business, organization, or local government) commits a federal felony when she or he:

    - assists an alien s/he should reasonably know is illegally in the U.S. or who lacks employment authorization, by transporting, sheltering, or assisting him or her to obtain employment..."

    Apparently, DNews monitors would rather this fact not be known.

  • Brer Rabbit Spanish Fork, UT
    Feb. 26, 2011 3:33 p.m.

    This article justifies sending every unskilled factory job to countries with cheap labor such as China and India. It justifies sending most of our computer programing technology jobs to India right along with the telephone customer service. It justifies taking all low skilled, low pay work away from many Americans and putting them on welfare.

    The jobs in dairy farming, construction, hotels, landscaping, fast food, etc.,etc.. are no different than the manufacturing, technology, etc. The only difference is these jobs can't be exported!! The workers are imported!! Cheap labor whether exported or imported is what it is all about.

    American manufacturers hate to have their market flooded with cheap imports from cheap labor countries, but for some reason think it is OK to import the cheap labor, and flood the unskilled labor market. "Work that Americans won't do," is nonsense. If the wage is high enough there will always be plenty of competent Americans willing to work. The problem is that many consider the "immigrant labor" jobs beneath them, because of the low wage.

  • Mr. Bean SLC, Utah
    Feb. 26, 2011 2:09 p.m.

    @Brady: "...100,000 people out of work in Utah, and 10% unemployment in the country? How can business not be filling their needs?"

    I guarantee you, if the government would stop paying unemployment (which has been extended now for up to 99 weeks) the unemployed American worker would flock to these jobs... and would be willing to take reduced wages. As it now stands the unemployed American doesn't look for work until his/her unemployment is about to run out. The illegal worker doesn't have unemployment benefits to rely on so they are significantly more motivated to not only take undesirable jobs but work harder to keep them.

    "It sounds more like business is trying to depress wages in America using illegal labor."

    It's the illegal worker that's depressing wages. They come here and drive wages down so low that the American worker can't afford to take the jobs.

  • Neanderthal SLC, Utah
    Feb. 26, 2011 1:56 p.m.

    "...recently discovered one of the men on her construction crew immigrated to the country illegally."

    Wait a minute... aren't they supposed to be doing the jobs that Americans won't take?

    "She didn't fire him. Instead, she found him a lawyer."

    She should have turned him in for deportation.

    "Utah law requires companies with 15 or more employees to check workers' immigration status using the federal E-Verify system."

    Utah law should be changed to require E-Verify for one or more employees. I wold suspect that illegals will try to avoid employment with less than 15 employees in order to duck under the radar screen.

    "The enticement of jobs is a large part of the reason immigrants are coming here illegally..."

    A situation that we have long suspected. The truth of the matter is that we currently have 15 million unemployed Americans sucking up billions in unemployment. We don't need any help from outsiders. The more they come in and take Americans' jobs the more we have to pay out in unemployment.

    "Because there is no government office monitoring the use of E-Verify..."

    I'll do it... free of charge.

  • RichardB Murray, UT
    Feb. 26, 2011 12:10 p.m.

    ICE needs to audit the businesses in the Salt Lake Chamber of Commerce.

  • JBrady Murray, Ut
    Feb. 26, 2011 8:55 a.m.

    "satisfy the labor demand" 100,000 people out of work in Utah, and 10% unemployment in the country? How can business not be filling their needs? It sounds more like business is trying to depress wages in America using illegal labor.

    If Park city can't find workers they can apply for visas under the current laws, many go unused each year.

    I would suggest Utah's business's get off welfare and start paying a competitive wage to Americans.

  • M. Butler Brooklyn, NY
    Feb. 26, 2011 8:25 a.m.

    "If we get rid of the jobs, we will have fewer illegal immigrants."

    If we got rid of the legislature, we'd have fewer people like Chris Herrod being quoted in the paper. Now, that's what I'd call progress.

    Nothing like proposing "job-killing" as a solution to our problems. Maybe another great depression would solve all of Mr. Herrod's concerns.

  • AmPatriot Kearns, UT
    Feb. 26, 2011 5:35 a.m.

    E-verify should apply to any business and any application for a business license in the state. So who reports business to law enforcement that a business or its employees is illegal? Can citizens or other employees report them without employers retribution?

    Or is it just left up to law enforcement as another one of those laws they can choose to ignore? It seems the thing to do these days, even in the white house.

  • Ronald Mortensen Bountiful, Utah
    Feb. 26, 2011 12:36 a.m.

    "One company.signed up for E-Verify, fired its undocumented employees and hired Americans."

    Assuming the company was not a federal contractor, it violated the law because E-Verify can only be used to verify the employment eligibility of new hires.

    "The Salt Lake Chamber of Commerce opposes HB253, favoring instead a guest worker program."

    Business has consistently opposed anything that would limit the ability of employers to hire low cost, illegal alien labor despite the fact that 75% of illegal aliens use fraudulently obtained Social Security numbers (felony), perjure themselves on I-9 forms (felony) and perhaps even commit identity fraud (felony).

    Many people believe that businesses put profits ahead of principle and that they knowingly sacrifice tens of thousands of Utah children to illegal alien driven identity theft in order to hire illegal aliens.

    Proposed guest worker programs, in the eyes of many, are little more than amnesty for illegal aliens and their employers. The victims of illegal alien identity theft are totally ignored.

    Note: As used here, amnesty occurs when elected officials grant a select group of people a benefit derived from illegal actions that individuals who obey the law do not realize.

  • Screwdriver Casa Grande, AZ
    Feb. 26, 2011 12:05 a.m.

    It's really the two sides of the republican party that can't reconsile with each other. The business owners that LOVE the hard working cheap labor and the republican workers types that have xenophobic or nationalistic tendencies.

    My father in law is a dyed in the wool republican. Yet is upset that his good workers at his hotel had to be let go and he can't get the same quality from the locals.

    You all slug it out.