Harsh criticism for Mitt Romney from New York Times, New York Post

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  • Chickenchaser Centralia, WA
    March 7, 2011 10:40 p.m.

    There is no question, absolutely none, that Obama took the 2008 election because of huge contributions to his war chest and . . . the press. History does repeat itself and this time it will totally cripple a lame bird.

  • Transaction7 Commerce, Texas
    Feb. 27, 2011 11:59 p.m.

    The New York Times chose McCain as its preferred Republican nominee in 2008, the kiss of death, then of course opposed him for President. When is the last time the Times supported a Republican, much less a conservative, in a general election. Oelection? Their financial reporters still do some good work, but it edoens't look like their editorial people, or too many in the "leadersip" of either party, read that.
    I'm old enough to remember this when Romney's father was being considered for President and Kennedy ran, leading to a lot of talk about his Roman Catholicism--now a lot ofCatholics are good conservative Republicans--and one would think that, in a country whose Constitution has always prohibited religious tests for office, etc., we would be past this, especially when the real fight is between Christians and Anti-Christians generally.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 26, 2011 3:21 a.m.

    "Huntsman should run for Hatch's seat in the senate. Huntsman would win."

    Huntsman would lose, he's a moderate so he and Hatch would get outdone by a tea party candidate just like Bennett got taken out. I've got nothing against Huntsman, heck I'd vote for him but his problem is... I'm a progressive.

  • skinnyreporter Farmington, UT
    Feb. 25, 2011 12:56 p.m.

    Why Mitt can't win the Republican nomination:
    1) The New York Times does not support him.
    2) He can't keep all hairs in place perpetually.
    3) He has not shot a caribou on national TV.
    4) He can't play the electric guitar.
    5) He is eloquent even without a teleprompter.
    6) Like Obama and Hillary, he did not know when to withdraw support from a dictator.
    7) Like McCain, he wants to use the military to protect the selfish interests of Americans.
    8) He supports healthy corporations, which hire workers, who then use their disposable income to support Democrats.
    9) He swore once in public, destroying the misconception that he is perfect.
    10) He switched from pro-choice to pro-life rather than vice versa.

  • skinnyreporter Farmington, UT
    Feb. 25, 2011 12:55 p.m.

    Why Mitt can't win the Republican nomination:
    1) The New York Times does not support him.
    2) He can't keep all hairs in place perpetually.
    3) He has not shot a caribou on national TV.
    4) He can't play the electric guitar.
    5) He is eloquent even without a teleprompter.
    6) Like Obama and Hillary, he did not know when to withdraw support from a dictator.
    7) Like McCain, he wants to use the military to protect the selfish interests of Americans.
    8) He supports healthy corporations, which hire workers, who then use their disposable income to support Democrats.
    9) He swore once in public, destroying the misconception that he is perfect.
    10) He switched from pro-choice to pro-life rather than vice versa.

  • terra nova Park City, UT
    Feb. 25, 2011 1:50 a.m.

    Before running for President, Huntsman should run for Hatch's seat in the senate. Huntsman would win.

    Romney should challenge Obama for the next term. Mitt will lose, but he will tire-out and wear-down the press, the nation, and perhaps most importantly, the good people of the bible-belt - from asking any more dumb questions about Mormons.

    Then Huntsman (having gotten experience in the Senate) could then run for the presidency - on the spent political (and actual) capital of Mitt Romney.

    After getting in, Huntsman could appoint Mitt Ambassador to China.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 22, 2011 5:39 p.m.

    I feel like there's a new Romney story every day and the guy hasn't even announced his bid for presidency, not to mention the first primary is still over 10 months away. Frankly it's enough to make one think that the LDS-owned newspaper is pulling for him.

  • Independent Henderson, NV
    Feb. 22, 2011 5:33 p.m.

    "No matter how "conservative" Romney may try to become, he will never make it to the Libertarian fringe."

    As one who leans libertarian, I do have reservations about some of Romney's positions, but what I like about Romney is that they guy is an intelligent, articulate, competent leader. We haven't had one of those in a long time. I would even vote for a Liberal Democrat at this point if I could just see that he was a competent leader. If Obama and the Democrats had found a way to pay for the debt they've incurred, even if it was with tax increases, I would be willing to give them another four years, even though it's not my first choice of how to do things. At least it would be a way to do things, but they are not even interested in that. Romney is a guy who I would disagree with on how to do things about half the time, but there's no doubt that he could do it, and it would get us somewhere that everyone could agree would be a good place. Kind of like a somewhat balanced budget under Clinton.

  • Independent Henderson, NV
    Feb. 22, 2011 5:25 p.m.

    I marvel at the lack of ability so many people have to distinguish between a state solution to the healthcare problem and a Washington solution to the healthcare problem. It's as if they have never heard of Federalism at all. It's astonishing to think that so many people are completely ignorant of such a large part of their heritage, American Political Philosophy. Quiz time. What is Federalism? What are Reserved Powers? They teach this stuff in 5th grade! We have a very intelligent man in Mitt Romney who will probably be running for President, and has the potential to do a great deal of good in this country, and we have half of the electorate running around saying "But Romneycare is just like Obamacare! Let's nominate Sarah Palin!" It's unbelievable. The whole point of the Massachusets Health Care Bill is that it was done in Massachusets. A state, under the leadership of Mitt Romney, took care of its own problem without leaning on the Federal Government! It doesn't get much better than this for people who are into the Constitution and limiting the Federal Government, and yet they can't see it.

  • MenaceToSociety Draper, UT
    Feb. 22, 2011 4:06 p.m.

    Does the Deseret News criticize the ridiculous things that have been and are said about President Obama? I would like the D News take Orrin Hatch to task for his ridiculous criticisms of the President. You can't have it both ways.

  • Dektol Powell, OH
    Feb. 22, 2011 11:58 a.m.

    Romney talks out of both sides of his mouth on most issues. A typical politician.

  • moodyblue77 Provo, UT
    Feb. 22, 2011 11:22 a.m.

    If Mitt Romney is worried about Frank Rich, he's wasting his time. Mitt Romney will be taken out by the Tea Party. Not a shot will be fired.

    No matter how "conservative" Romney may try to become, he will never make it to the Libertarian fringe.

  • ksampow Farr West, Utah
    Feb. 22, 2011 10:01 a.m.

    Risk-taking (especially trying to save companies that are in dire straits) is bound to lead to some failures. It is better to have tried and failed than never to have tried. Especially when you have a very impressive repertoire of successes in your resume. Would the workers have been better off if those jobs were moved overseas to avoid bankruptcy? Mitt Romney has a solid record of success.
    And by the way, those who love to attack Romney for his record on health care are off the mark. If more states were dealing with health care issues proactively, then there would have been no nationally-mandated "Obama care."

    Feb. 22, 2011 9:57 a.m.

    Trump 2012!! He's our man! Mitt's a has been now...stay focused people, the goal is to win the White House and the only way to do it is to bring in an outsider...all the beltway career politicans must go...come on, join the revolution! Kick all the bums out!!

  • Quagthistle Utica, KS
    Feb. 22, 2011 9:50 a.m.

    I just can't figure out what the "harsh critism" part in the exerpt might be. It's true that Republicans filibustered the Congress to get a 4% tax cut for the very wealthy (at the cost of delaying votes on programs that actually matter like health care for 9-11 first responders).

    As to Republicans having a bleeding heart about the budget now, that strikes me as hollow. When GW Bush took office in 2001, the nation debt was just under $6 trillion. When he left office eight years later, it was a touch under 12 trillion. So, he managed to single-handedly *double* our national debt, yet few, if any, Republicans stood and made a fuss about it. Now, when Obama wants to make health care for every American (so that insurance companies don't bleed the people dry and them trash them when they get sick), *now* the National Debt is such a big issue and Obama is trying to ruin our country. Yeah, that floats like a rock.

    In short, I'd like to see an end to all this contention, and Romney would have to be very convincing to win my vote, reguardless.

  • Janca salt lake city, utah
    Feb. 22, 2011 9:07 a.m.

    Wow. How many times does it need to be pointed out. This article ran in the NY POST as well as the Times. The NY POST is a mouthpiece for the REPUBLICAN party, much like FOX news. It is frightening that so many people are bashing the Times here, and completely ignoring the facts about the truth of the article -- that basically Romney doesn't have a chance because 'mainstream' Republicans will not support him. Reminds me about the reasoning and mindset of Mormon Utah Republican voters. Ignore the facts, vote the religion, then the party.

  • John C. C. Payson, UT
    Feb. 22, 2011 9:02 a.m.

    After doing a review of Bain Capital's history, I find that it and its acquisitions have been mostly successful. After Mitt left and Bain Capital had some troubles, Mitt came back and turned back around to enjoy another period of success.

    If one wants to criticism him, disagree with his politics. All politicians displease one side or the other.

  • Bored to the point of THIS! Ogden, UT
    Feb. 22, 2011 8:35 a.m.

    Reading comments that support Romney, I'm curious how those readers feel about the so called "O'bama Care"? Reason: O'bama Care is a knock off of "Romney Care". Or are we all expected to overlook that and just vote GOP?

    The political double standard amazes me. I hear people who support Romney, yet deny the health care political past of Romney, not to mention his voting policies on 'civil unions'/same sex marriage.

    I guess he "did what he had too" to become governor of a liberal state. But now what?

  • mark Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 22, 2011 8:21 a.m.

    "People act like every article should be a pulitizer prize niminee."

    Good heavens, Lambert! A Pulitzer Prize nominee? No. But Is it too much to expect just a little adherence to basic journalistic practices from a newspaper (and I'm using that word very generously right now) with such a venerable history as the D-News? No matter if it is their print or online edition.

    Do the editors of the Deseret News have no pride in their work? This piece would not even be a good letter to the editor, let alone an article from the staff of the D-News.

    (And my opinion has nothing to do with the subject matter of the article, I have nothing against Romney per se, I just think that this publication can, and should, do much better. This article is amature hour, the Deseret News needs to hold to higher standards)

  • John Pack Lambert of Michigan Ypsilanti, MI
    Feb. 22, 2011 7:51 a.m.

    Why Romney has to show due defference to the French is beyond me. France continues to deney people basic freedom of religion far more than Oklahoma has ever even thought to due, yet France is not regularly lambasted as Islamaphobic by the MSM. I guess though since the MSM thinks it is Islamaphobic for people to want Muslim men to be equally likely to be prosecuted for rape as non-Muslim men, the whole issue is quite intriguing.

    Since this is the article leading in popularity at the DNews obviously Jamshid Askar has tapped into something by writting this article.

  • Rox Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 22, 2011 7:46 a.m.

    Good! Flip Floppin' Mitt needs a dose of reality.
    The USA will never elect a Mormon to the White House.

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    Feb. 22, 2011 5:56 a.m.

    You folks can slam the NYT all you like, including this rah-rah Romney newspaper, but there is a world outside of Utah which carries just a little more weight (i understate, in case you don't get it). Romney is no dream candidate. In addition to watching him twist and turn on his positions, trying to please whatever audience he stands before, and the fact I've yet to hear a realistic constructive idea beyond lower taxes and spend more on the military (cartoonish), Romney lost me early in the 2008 season when he verbally attacked the very people (not government) where he served his mission, telling me that this guy has not once ounce of compassion and love for the people he served. I can go on, but suffice it to say, this is one Mormon who can't vote for a Massachusetts politician for President.

  • apache1 Phoenix, AZ
    Feb. 22, 2011 2:37 a.m.

    I am sure that Mitt will make another failed attempt to win the presidency, sadly he will once again be wiped out of the race. I think it would be interesting to have a Rommney/Huntsman ticket or a Huntsman/Rommney ticket but that would not work as their egos are both too inflated they both want to be president and neither wants to be Vice-President. The press so far does not seem to impressed or interested in Huntsman either so it seems at this point there is little to no chance of a "Mormon" president, agan....

  • Mr. Bean SLC, Utah
    Feb. 22, 2011 12:05 a.m.

    @BoringGuy 8:30 a.m.:

    "Mitt doesn't have a chance. His efforts in health care reform as governor inspired Obamacare."

    Mitt's health care plan is at the state level where it belongs, not at the federal level. Obamacare will be found unconstitutional before the next presidential election.

    "Mitt should throw in the towel and give Huntsman a chance..."

    Who's gonna elect a member of Obama's staff (Ambassador to China) to the office of the US President?

  • mark Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 22, 2011 12:02 a.m.

    Absolutely amateurish. Is this really what the D-News has become? Sad. Very, very sad.

  • Alfred SLC, Utah
    Feb. 21, 2011 11:58 p.m.

    @Doug10 8:01 a.m.:

    "He is behind Palin in national polls though..."

    That's where you wanna be at this juncture. Get ahead now and you will sink by the time it comes to cast a vote.

    "The article does point out the GOP does little to lead or try to lead the country..."

    That's because the GOP is not in charge of the nation. The Dems are, did you not get the memo?

    "...other than Obama bashing and the country is sick of that."

    Just following the Dem lead of eight years of Bush bashing.

    "Does the GOP have a way to put people to work and create more jobs?"

    We can certainly see that the Democrats don't. They have been trying for four years and trillions of debt but we still see no results. Just debt as far as the eye can see.

    "Does the GOP really want to cut the spending?"

    They would love nothing more than to cut spending... especially the kind of spending wrapped up in Obamacare.

  • jp3 Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 21, 2011 10:08 p.m.

    Oddest "news" story I've read in the D-News for awhile. This is more like a Twitter post than a newspaper article.

  • Indiana Sandy, UT
    Feb. 21, 2011 10:02 p.m.

    You all are so funny.. you behave as if Rupert Murdoch sits right at the editorial table and gives the nod to whatever article comes before him. I doubt he even had an inkling that this article was in the offing.

    AS for Mitt, he is the only one qualified to do what needs to be done for America. He is truly a gifted and wonderful man. I do believe he has a chance to get the nod and I hope and absolutely pray he does.

    I can like other candidates that are not LDS, I can dislike the political activities of some who are LDS... I think Mitt has merit of his own outside of his religiosity.

    Grow up people, quit sniping and grousing just because perhaps YOU don't like his religiosity... He is a humble, good, morally clean and very smart man who could be a real and true blessing if people can grow up and smarten up and become nicer.

  • John Pack Lambert of Michigan Ypsilanti, MI
    Feb. 21, 2011 9:50 p.m.

    I was not a subscriber to the print edition of the Mormon Times a year ago, I am today.

    Anyway, this article shows a lot more effort than some articles that involve just crusing around facebook that are seen in other publications.

  • John Pack Lambert of Michigan Ypsilanti, MI
    Feb. 21, 2011 9:46 p.m.

    The Deseret News is meant to be a profitable enterprise. This means they have to advance with the times.

    People act like every article should be a pulitizer prize niminee. Then they also criticize the paper for not running articles when they would have had very little backing for their allegations.

    True, this is a meta-news story. The wonder of internet publishing is you can turn out stories fast, often and do not have the same size constraints as regular papers.

    I would also like to see an end of the unjustified bagging on the Deseret News. The Deseret News still publishes a print edition daily. This is in a state with less than 3 million people. In metro-Detroit where there are more than 4 million people in the Metro area, the Detroit News has cut down to only publishing a print edition twice a week and has not published a Sunday edition since sometime last century.

    News on Mitt is Utah news because he lead the 2002 Olympics. He also was a student at BYU more recently than he was a resident of Michigan. Lastly, the wonder of online is multi-listing.

  • boiseblue Eagle, ID
    Feb. 21, 2011 9:44 p.m.

    Well, what else did you expect from the NYT? They know he is going to be the one to contend with and see him as a threat. Game on. Go Mitt!

  • JJL Eugene, OR
    Feb. 21, 2011 9:31 p.m.

    It's time for America to wake up and elect an adult to the Oval Office this go around. An adult with proven success in every avenue in life.

  • John Pack Lambert of Michigan Ypsilanti, MI
    Feb. 21, 2011 9:26 p.m.

    The use of the term "great white hope" is part of the long-standing race baiting of the NYT and others. The classic extreme was the snide remarks where someone refered to an action of Denver Archbishop Chaput as "mighty white". Chaput is a registered member of a Native American tribe (I believe Cheyenne, but I could be wrong, it is a plains tribe I know) so this was a very odd turn of phrase.

    With the election of Scott and West to the House one would think race baiting would come to an end. However, it will take much longer sadly enough.

    I am wondering if the NYT running an attack ad against Romney really constitutes news. This is so normal for the NYT it seems what would be news would be them having anything good to say about Romney.

  • ryansutes alpine, UT
    Feb. 21, 2011 9:23 p.m.

    To the Deseret News. Your stories are lacking in quality. No depth. Too slanted. Please don't give in to the trend in news. Giving in to financial pressures and directing your articles too strongly towards a specific audience. In doing so, you are giving away your important role in society. Please take more pride in your job. I believe many of your reporters have the skills. Push them and allow them to write real articles. We need you.

  • GWB West Jordan, UT
    Feb. 21, 2011 7:27 p.m.

    "patriot", you say, "If MSNBC or the NY times is bashing you then you KNOW you must be doing something right."

    You don't mention the NY Post like it says in the article.

    Care to tell me who owns the NY Post? What other media outlets does the owner of the Post own?

    Which side does the owner of the Post support?

    I'll answer for you, Rupert Murdoch, owner of Fox News.

    Why is Republican supporter Murdoch bashing Mitt, I thought it was supposed to be a liberal thing...

  • George Bronx, NY
    Feb. 21, 2011 7:07 p.m.

    seriously people just because you ignore the fact that has been pointed out time after time on this thread that the new york post is held by a dye in the wool far right wing republican not the liberal media does not make it go away and only serves to make you look really silly.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Feb. 21, 2011 6:52 p.m.

    The fact that the far left and right both don't like him, hey, maybe he has a chance then. Unfortunately I won't be voting for him. I would love to see that he principles to stand up as the moderate he was/is... but instead he is moved into the pandering zone with all the rest.

    Oh well....

  • JMT Springville, UT
    Feb. 21, 2011 6:42 p.m.

    The Left attacking one of their own. The two biggest issues of 2012 will include Obamacare and the debt. Both domestic issues, which is a shocker. Republicans normally run on the national scene, though as bad as Obama and the Dems have botched it the GOP now has the lead among the voters, and real solutions on the domestic front. Traditionally the Dems get Domestic, GOP gets foreign policy. It is just shocking the GOP gets the lead in both.

    If Romney is the nominee it is a disaster. Obamacare 2010 is nothing more then Romneycare 2004. It removes this powerful issue from the arsenal.

    Romney is nominee is just failed.

  • skygirl Scotts Valley, CA
    Feb. 21, 2011 6:41 p.m.

    This "news story" is propaganda. If it were on the opinion page where it should be it would be clearly identified as an opinion piece. In that case it wouldn't be propaganda.

  • wandrew Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Feb. 21, 2011 6:31 p.m.

    From the first sentence, this is an editorial. The DN is slipping fast as a traditional newspaper, and becoming a ward newsletter. Is this the only way to save the paper from going out of business? Is this really what Utahns want?

  • MormonDem Provo, UT
    Feb. 21, 2011 6:11 p.m.

    It's pretty funny to see people on here calling the New York Post part of the "liberal elite leftwing media."

    It's also pretty funny to see people on here claiming that Mitt is, and always has been, a die-hard tea party conservative.

    This is the same Mitt whose state healthcare reform was basically the model for Obamacare. The same Mitt who claimed he was to the left of Ted Kennedy. The same Mitt who used to be pro-choice.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Feb. 21, 2011 6:05 p.m.

    If MSNBC or the NY times is bashing you then you KNOW you must be doing something right. The NY Times is 180 degress opposite the majority of the country and that was born out clearly in the 2010 Nov elections. So Mitt, keep on doing what you're doing because the Times hates you!!!

  • Anonymous Infinity American Fork, UT
    Feb. 21, 2011 5:30 p.m.

    There is an ongoing vendetta from the so-called mainstream elitist, egotistical, liberal media to continue in political mode against conservatives. Some of these same people are anti religion, anti LDS as well. That is exactly why many of the newspapers across the country, as well as the liberal TV news are hurting in the polls as to their readers/viewers. I can't stomach it and discount it completely.

    Go Mitt and all of the other conservatives in our continuing battle against liberals who are attempting to destroy the United States of America.

  • coleman51 Orem, UT
    Feb. 21, 2011 5:01 p.m.

    This is probably good for Romney. It shows that the liberal media is taking notice of him as a serious candidate for the Presidency. With a major thumping of his opponents in the New Hampshire straw poll and a stong second place finish at CPAC, behind what everyone knows is not a credible candidate, Ron Paul, it appears that Mitt is the concensus leader among all candidates for the Republican nomination. I welcome op-ed articles like this that shows the delusional thinking of the left toward anyone they think is a threat.

  • Pa. Reader Harrisburg, PA
    Feb. 21, 2011 4:58 p.m.

    Mitt Romney ran a failed campaign in 2008 because he altered his positions on multiple issues to pander to the far-right evangelical wing of the Republican Party, voters who never would and never will vote for him because of his LDS faith. Had he run honestly, remaining true to his record as a successful businessman and good governor, he very likely would have been the moderate GOP nominee, instead of John McCain. With the economic collapse that preceded the election, Romney's business experience might well have boosted him past Pres. Obama in the election.
    His shift on core principles and his less than honest attempts to re-write his own positions and record make it impossible for many of us who might have supported him to do so.
    With no indication of a change of heart or approach by Romney, 2012 will end the same. Is Mitt the only one in America who doesn't know he will never be president?

  • MormonDem Provo, UT
    Feb. 21, 2011 4:30 p.m.

    Hint to Deserent News editorial staff: the news blogs that are garnering the most readership (and thus threatening newspapers the most) are the ones that have the highest journalistic standards--the ones that do what newspapers USED to do. They fill the gap left by newspapers who turned to pablum and sensationalism.

    If you're trying to remake your newspaper by relying on poor-quality blog-like journalism like this, you've just hastened your own death.

  • NeilT Clearfield, UT
    Feb. 21, 2011 4:26 p.m.

    This is good for Romney. It shows he is a potential threat and to be taken seriously. By the way I have never seen a poll showing Romney trailing Palin. Romney is the only viable candidate for the GOP. Huntsman is an unknown, he should run for the Senate against Hatch. Romney seems to be only Republican who understands the need for health care reform. Fix health care the cost of medicare and medicaid goes down and along with it the deficit. GO Mitt.

  • CougarKeith Roy, UT
    Feb. 21, 2011 3:50 p.m.

    Frankly speaking, and not the Times or Post Guy, I am fed up with the OBAMA BASHING! I can't stand the Liberal Think Tank Idiot! Then Again I can't stand the piling on him about Everything! So many critisize him, but where are the ANSWERS! Romney has them to me it seems! I am sick and tired of the bashing this guy and that guy, it sounds like a Seventh Grade Election! Don't Vote for Sue, she is a straight "A" student!!! Don't vote for "Jim" he wants to get a Coke Machine in the cafeteria instead of Pepsi! It's like a bunch of immature KIDS! I say vote for the ISSUES, and don't vote for anyone who makes over $250,000 a year! It's a joke out there, we are at the threshold my friends, 2012 could well be THE LAST FREE ELECTION for US President this Country has! It it isn't thrown!!! We are in serious trouble!

  • carpediem Holladay, UT
    Feb. 21, 2011 3:11 p.m.

    I'll feel sad for America the day Sarah Palin gets elected over Romney. She's not qualified, and should't be the first female president.

  • Red Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 21, 2011 3:10 p.m.

    The winds of freedom are blowing all around the world.

    America is the greatest county in the world because we are free.

    We have a ton of scared people in America who want to be guaranteed of everything. Healthcare, jobs, money. etc.

    Get some courage America!!!

    You can either be a tiger in the zoo or a tiger in the jungle. But only one of them is free.

    Mitt is a solid guy who is trying to help us.

    Hopefully he doesn't give in to all the complainers in the world.

    Keep going Mitt.

  • fran246 West Roxbury, MA
    Feb. 21, 2011 2:48 p.m.

    On the other hand said: Romney's religion didn't interfere with his ability to fulfill the duties of the high office of governor of Massachusetts....

    No. His ability interfered with his ability to fulfill the duties of the office. I would not like to see him test that non-ability in a higher office.

  • Jack Aurora, CO
    Feb. 21, 2011 2:33 p.m.

    The old accusations of Mitt pillaging companies and taking them to the Caymans keeps surfacing. So, the rhetorical question asked by the poster..How many? So, How many? I haven't seen any data on this, so how many? If you have the proof, show it. I am curious to know how this keeps cropping up, yet I haven't seen any proof, from anywhere.

    Put up or shut up.

  • Third try screen name Mapleton, UT
    Feb. 21, 2011 2:27 p.m.

    You know, I'm a OTP guy when it comes to Obama.
    But now that I think about it, he HAS energized the conservatives.
    I've not been impressed with the GOP offerings to date, Romney included.

  • Teafortwo salt lake city, utah
    Feb. 21, 2011 1:53 p.m.

    Bruce Van Orden- If you think the tea partiers are the extremists, you are truly living in Fantasy Land. The extremists are the people who have given us a $14 trillion debt, 10% unemployment, 12,000,000 illegal immigrants, massive bailouts, economic catastrophe, etc. And it WAS NOT the tea party.......

  • thebigsamoan Richmond, VA
    Feb. 21, 2011 1:16 p.m.

    Whether you like Romney or not doesn't matter because there is a higher power who guides the affairs of this nation. If it's meant to be, he will be the next president. Likewise with Palin, Ron Paul, Gingrich, or even Obama himself again for that matter.

  • Bruce Van Orden Springville, Utah
    Feb. 21, 2011 1:14 p.m.

    As was stated earlier, the "liberal establishment" is allegedly running scared from Romney. That is hardly the case. There isn't a single person in any way claiming to be in the running for the GOP presidential nomination that we liberals fear, certainly including Romney.

    Earlier today I read Rich's original column online. It was about the difficulty each Republican candidate would have with the albatross around their neck of various tea party activists including Sarah Palin. Romney, as Rich claims, would have a difficult time avoiding being brushed by the silly statements of the people on the far right.

    I am a dedicated LDS member and wanted to state yet again that we are not obligated as members to fall in line behind any LDS headliner including Mitt Romney, Jon Huntsman Sr., Jon Huntsman Jr., Harry Reid, and Glenn Beck.

  • Timp South Jordan, UT
    Feb. 21, 2011 1:10 p.m.

    Appreciate the post calling for Mitt to step up and be a leader.

    Wish someone would in D.C. I'll admit I bought into the Obama hype (even as a moderate Republican) because I truly thought he would bring a different perspective and new leadership style to Washington. I am 110% disappointed in the results.

    Obviously a tough job, but there has to be someone out there moderate enough to bring together both sides for things that actually matter and not being afraid to take their shots in the process..

    Defense spending needs to be cut. The US needs to stop "reacting" to terrorism and having a "military presence" in dozens of countries in the world, when the need to strengthen its borders, build its infrastructure, reshape its healthcare have all become more pressing needs.

  • Timp South Jordan, UT
    Feb. 21, 2011 1:07 p.m.

    Sign me up as another person who thinks the Deseret News has "jumped the shark" for lack of a better term..

    It's just one big editorial. You don't know who is a true journalists vs. one of their "experts" writing w/ a strong agenda.

    Articles are often one-sided and without knowing the affiliations of the author how can any of what they put in print be taken seriously - UNLESS - they fully disclose the background and affiliations of all their new "authors".

  • Sandy Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 21, 2011 12:55 p.m.

    Considering the source, the harsh commentary seems predictable and irrelevant.

  • Most Truthful and Patriotic Layton, UT
    Feb. 21, 2011 12:48 p.m.

    Abe, you should know by now that "Utah story" is code for "LDS story".

    Most of the posters here don't realize how many businesses Romney gutted, and reincorporated in the Cayman Islands. Talk about tax avoidance! Mr and Mrs Average pay high taxes, because the wealthy pay 15% on their long-term capital gains AND can hide their income.

    Killing the messenger (NYT and NYP) is much easier than doing research.

  • Teafortwo salt lake city, utah
    Feb. 21, 2011 12:36 p.m.

    Love him or hate him, Mitt Romeny has been successful at just about everything he has attempted. Politics, business, family, church and running the Salt Lake Olympics. He is infinitely more qualified than Barack Obama or Sarah Palin. And probably anybody else who might be in the picture....

  • Elcapitan Ivins, UT
    Feb. 21, 2011 12:35 p.m.

    Read his book please.

  • Abe Sarvis Cedar City, UT
    Feb. 21, 2011 12:12 p.m.

    Excuse me for asking, but why is this a "Utah story"? It's about a New York Times article on a former governor of Massachusetts who is the son of a former governor of Michigan.

  • HoopUte Taylorsville, UT
    Feb. 21, 2011 12:00 p.m.

    Pot, meet Kettle.

    This is not a news report. It's advocacy masquerading as news. Doesn't matter which side chooses to do it, it's not right.

  • attentive Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 21, 2011 11:55 a.m.

    If Romney goes up against Obama in '12, we'll have four more years of Obama.

  • snowbird Ogden, UT
    Feb. 21, 2011 11:52 a.m.

    the people of this country see the news and what goes on in utah and the church.they wont elect a lds person president of the united states of america.in utah we break the law not obey it.mitt romney is a fine man but he is a member of the lds church and goes all the time

  • BH Tremonton, UT
    Feb. 21, 2011 11:50 a.m.

    Well that article was a waste of two minutes of my life that I will never get back.

    What a useless article.

  • Considering Stockton, UT
    Feb. 21, 2011 11:06 a.m.

    I think Romney makes a find cabinet member: maybe secretary of treasury or of commerce. But I have deep concerns about him a position to set policy on non-fiscal matters including health care, marriage, or abortion.

    Similarly, Huntsman Jr has proven himself to be a RINO. He is bad on illegal immigration, weak on defense of marriage, weak on RKBA, and didn't do anything to assert strength on protection of the unborn. Unlike Romney, I don't think Huntsman Jr even has any significant fiscal genius. He does seem to know Chinese culture and language well enough to make a good ambassador. But as governor? He sailed the ship of Utah in calm seas of fiscal boom. Not much to write home about there.

    Palin is a great lightning rod to upset the leftists including the media. But with only two years as governor, I think lacks the credentials to be on the top of the ticket. Maybe acceptable as VP, but not as POTUS, not yet.

    What we need in 2012 is a real conservative, with solid credentials and the ability to articulate the fiscal and social conservative position with power and optimism.

  • I Love Lamp Layton, UT
    Feb. 21, 2011 10:57 a.m.

    "Relying on little more than innuendo and anecdotal evidence?" Isn't that what the D-News does best?

  • Ross Madison, AL
    Feb. 21, 2011 10:44 a.m.

    The NY Times is an activist organization, like activist judges they do not speak the truth because it does not serve their own agenda. This lying spirit only produces propaganda for their agenda. The mainstream media is largely a propaganda machine that has been wildly successful and will continue to be, if lovers of turth do nothing.

  • casual observer Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 21, 2011 10:39 a.m.

    The liberal establishment is terrified of Romney. He is a fiscally responsible manager who would actually do something to reduce spending and balance the budget. Progressives don't want that now do they?

  • Richard Saunders Provo, UT
    Feb. 21, 2011 10:19 a.m.

    As others have stated, this belongs on the opinion page or with the other blogs. Let's face it, we don't have to like Mitt because he is LDS. As someone who professes to be a member, I just don't get that excited about Romney. Sometimes he can seem pretty snarky with some of his remarks about Obama. See as an example his speech at CPAC. Maybe Ron Paul is crazy, but that is a candidate I can get excited about because things would actually be different under his administration. We need to get spending under control, and rambling about earmarks and eliminating waste won't do it.

  • Not So Fast Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 21, 2011 10:19 a.m.

    KJB1 is right. I was prepared to say what he said but read that he said it already.

    And, those of you bagging on the reporting of the New York Times are being silly. Your idea of what the Times reports and what it actually reports are hardly similar.

    Editorially, yes, the times has a definite slate. The Times gets quoted all the time by news sources across the land, including this one. They by far, lead the way in real journalism.

    This article, humorously, is sophomoric. Why do I keep coming here to read you might ask? I am asking myself that question today.

  • Hanksboy Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Feb. 21, 2011 10:17 a.m.

    (YAWN!) The Times and the Post are relics whose time has long since passed. Let them bellow and blather on about what they will; so relatively few people pay attention to them anymore that it doesn't matter what they say. I'm not a huge Romney supporter but having these two rags blast him will solidify his conservative credentials with much of the base of his party.

  • On the other hand Spanish Fork, UT
    Feb. 21, 2011 10:13 a.m.

    @sergio, your comment puts me in the awkward position of feeling that I need to defend a candidate whose policies I don't particularly care for. Romney's religion didn't interfere with his ability to fulfill the duties of the high office of governor of Massachusetts any more than Harry Reid's religion has interfered with his responsibilities as senator or senate majority leader. Surely you can come up with more substantial, less bigoted criticisms of Romney than that.

  • wer South Jordan, UT
    Feb. 21, 2011 10:05 a.m.


  • Say No to BO Mapleton, UT
    Feb. 21, 2011 10:04 a.m.

    Utahns must guard against parochialism when it comes to one of their own.
    The new wave is to take an unknown (meaning less baggage) with little real experience and package him to all special interests. Leave no swing segment unpitched.
    We elected a rock star in 2008.
    Romney has all the appeal of a dinner of left-overs.
    Politics is not a rational endeavor. Mitt is a decent man, moderate with a business/leadership background. He has no place in politics.

  • tabuno Clearfield, UT
    Feb. 21, 2011 9:59 a.m.

    I have to agree with those commentators who fear that The Deseret News reporting has crossed the line from impartial, objective reporting to strongly opinionated, biased reporting. While I don't have a problem with The Deseret News citing its own opinion in an opinion column, to actually insert its own prejudices directly into a news report raising grave credibility issues with any and all future news reports, with readers wondering what small and perhaps unnoticeable slants in future reports of any type might be included in The Deseret News.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Feb. 21, 2011 9:49 a.m.

    I'm not sure why we're worried about what either the times or post says. This is utah, and in the end, here at least, if or why people support mitt will be a mormon issue.

  • trytobereasonable Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 21, 2011 9:37 a.m.

    If this article is the kind of content this publication now supports, they need to remove the word "News" from their name. Regardless of whether you like Romney or think all other newspapers are liberal, this article cannot be considered news.

  • lib1 Provo, UT
    Feb. 21, 2011 9:32 a.m.


    How can it be said that Latter-day Saints love Mitt because of his religion? Like many others, I love Mitt, don't especially care for John Huntsman and can't stand Harry Reid.

  • Rock Of The Marne Phoenix, AZ
    Feb. 21, 2011 9:32 a.m.

    sergio I don't buy your argument as that would mean anybody with a religious faith could be evidence "may indicate he is too emotional and not sufficiently intellectually independent for such high office." Wouldn't that be Jews and Christians as well? That said I think Huntsman (maybe not this go around) has a far better chance of being elected President than Romney who is among the hardcore neo-cons whom I think this country will tire of as they see that they want all burden to be borne by the poor and middle class (cuts to disabled, cuts to education, Social Security benefits cuts etc.) while they do their best to makes sure they don't have to likewise sacrifice. In fact they'll want more tax cuts for the rich and use the never proven mythological Voodoo Economics as their rational (selfishness and greed is the real motive though). If the Neo-cons don't step up to the plate and show they are willing to make the same sacrifices as those they are seeking to impose on the less fortunate their day in the sun will be limited as people will tire of their hypocrisy.

  • Teafortwo salt lake city, utah
    Feb. 21, 2011 9:22 a.m.

    The degree to which the liberal left has gone to portray the Tea Party as extremists is frightening. Most of the political extremists in power are on the left. The Far LEFT. Obama, Pelosi, Reid, Boxer, Frank, Schumer, et al.

    Lets face it. The Tea Party is not responsible for our $14 trillion debt; 10% unemployment; 12,000,000 illegal immigrants; economic meltdown; massive bailouts; comatose economy, etc. The Tea Party may be the only people who can fix these things because they seem to be the only people who are willing to do something other than the same things that have created these problems in the first place.

  • 3grandslams Iowa City, IA
    Feb. 21, 2011 9:19 a.m.

    Sounds like someones afraid of Romney. Typical liberal agenda and practice.

  • Cats Somewhere in Time, UT
    Feb. 21, 2011 9:18 a.m.

    They obviously see Romney as a big threat.

  • George Bronx, NY
    Feb. 21, 2011 9:17 a.m.

    So you are all going to just ignore the fact already pointed out to you that the post is actually owned by a dye in the wool far right republican and try to claim its all just liberals new bias? By the way I also agree with the posters this forth grade opinion piece belongs on the opinion page or better yet pinned to the shirt of the child that wrote it so their parents can see what they did at school today.

  • Teafortwo salt lake city, utah
    Feb. 21, 2011 9:16 a.m.

    Doug10 @8:01 - You are ignorant of reality. Defense accounts for less than 20% of the budget. Social security, medicare, medicaid, welfare & unemployment account for more than 60% of the budget.

  • utecougar Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 21, 2011 9:12 a.m.

    "In typical Post fashion," the writer says. Is this article supposed to be news, an editorial, or an excerpt from some guy's blog? If it's news, it's very unprofessional.

  • sergio Phoenix, AZ
    Feb. 21, 2011 9:05 a.m.

    Those who think it is just politics are fooling themselves. In the minds of many citizens there is reason for voters to doubt Mitt Romney as suitable to be president of the United States because of his believes and devotion to Mormon religious doctrine and questionable Book of Mormon reality that voters fear may indicated he is too emotional and not sufficiently intellecetually independent for such high office.

  • morpunkt Glendora, CA
    Feb. 21, 2011 9:04 a.m.

    Yawn. No surprise. What do you expect from the Rainbow Image Maker Machinery of the Leftist news agencies?

  • Reasonable Person Layton, UT
    Feb. 21, 2011 8:46 a.m.

    NY Times = bad?
    NY Post (Fox News/Rupert Murdoch) = shhhh!

    You're all between The Mitt and a hard spot. You love Mitt because of his religion, but you're stymied by the far-right's bashing of him via the NY Post.

  • lib1 Provo, UT
    Feb. 21, 2011 8:39 a.m.

    I can't take a republican contender seriously until they are libeled in the New York Times. Their unabashed attempts to defend Obama's failures at all costs have made the NY Times increasinly kafkaesque.

    Attack Mitt's career? And how exactly, without government subsidies or criminal acts, does a failure amass a fortune in business? Anyone who has tried to run a business knows that the market is cruely responsive. To what, exactly, are we supposed to attribute Mitt's fortune and reputation in corporate America? Luck? Bailouts?

    At least Mitt had a job before he ran for the presidency. I, for one, want a president who doesn't feel entitled to the weath I produce and doesn't spend my money like a Louis XIV.

  • My2Pence Pleasant Grove, UT
    Feb. 21, 2011 8:38 a.m.

    There has yet to be created, a machine that would measure my indifference to this story.

  • Hubble65 Sandy, UT
    Feb. 21, 2011 8:38 a.m.

    Horribly written article. It is as bad as the Times and Post for the very reason that though attacking their lack of evidence, it fails to provide that evidence in support of its argument. F for a grade on all three. More importantly, a F for the conservative movement which is starting to become irrelevant to the majority of Americans. Much like the liberals of the 1970's who got so caught up in their "causes" they failed to be able to appeal to moderate Americans who lean somewhat to the right on issues, but on the left on others. Face it, the American public will grow sick of the rhetoric by 2012 and the lack of governance and that is what is scary. We maintain the status quo with no real governance or handling of the issues we face such as making hard decisions on what to reduce, what to change. People at all levels care more for their radical beliefs than solving problems. Until we start solving real problems our country will suffer.

  • DN Subscriber Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Feb. 21, 2011 8:37 a.m.

    It is easy to see who the left fears most as a potential Republican presidential nominee. Just look at who they are trashing the hardest.

    The New York Times has proven over the last few years that their opinions are wrong, and their reporting is often little more than opinion.

    As others have stated, this belongs in the Opinion section, not "news."

  • GWB West Jordan, UT
    Feb. 21, 2011 8:32 a.m.

    What most commenters here missed is that the NY Post is owned by Rupert Murdoch and his News Corp. holdings. He also owns Fox News, the Wall Street Journal, and other media outlets that are influential in GOP circles.

    The NY Post piece is likely the first salvo in Murdoch's efforts to make sure that Mitt doesn't get the GOP nomination. Murdoch would rather have one of his employees (Sarah Palin, Newt Gingrich, or Mike Huckabee) as the nominee because he would have so much more influence when his employee is running than if Mandate Mitt gets the nomination.

    This should be a warning to Utah Republicans letting them know that the Corporate backers of the GOP (Murdoch, the Koch Brothers, etc...) will not let Mitt get the nomination.

  • BoringGuy Holladay, UT
    Feb. 21, 2011 8:30 a.m.

    Mitt doesn't have a chance. His efforts in health care reform as governor inspired Obamacare. Conservatives will never give him a pass for that.

    Mitt should throw in the towel and give Huntsman a chance, who has a much better shot. Huntsman truly has a chance at being the future of the Republican party once people see a more moderate leader will be better.

  • sniggy Payson, UT
    Feb. 21, 2011 8:25 a.m.

    Go Donald Trump! 2012

  • other Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 21, 2011 8:16 a.m.

    Note that the NY Times "article" was written by a columnist. It is actually an opinion piece, as is the Deseret News article, which should be in the opinion page. There it would have the same credibility as all the other right-wing editorials it prints. But, if it is supposed to be news, it shouldn't be an opinion piece if the DN is really a newspaper.

    Oh, I guess I forgot that the DN has changed it as perations and now just wants to be a Church News Sheet.

  • Gentile brookings, SD
    Feb. 21, 2011 8:14 a.m.

    To Flatlander: you got that right. Er, correct. This commentary page always has had more fluff than meat and rice. We could have an invasion of Florida by well-tentacled Martiansm, and BYU having a recruit caught speeding in Orem. The recruit story will be 1,356 comments by noon, and the destruction of Miami will have 6. 5 of the 6 comments will be in favor of the Martians! It is just the nature of the crowd.

    As to Mitt's problems? He's got a few. Will he earn the nomination? No. Try to buy it? Yes. Who will stop him? Himself, errors, and the southern radicals of the GOP. His good work in Mass. on health care will
    become an albatross around his neck to those who do not understand the value and need of universal health care. Universal health care saves our society money and gives us everyone pulling the wagon, so to speak. But it will go for naught.

  • KJB1 Eugene, OR
    Feb. 21, 2011 8:08 a.m.

    So we're not even pretending to be unbiased and even-handed anymore, are we? This "article" reads like a thirteen year-old girl trying to defend Justin Bieber. Why isn't this on the Opinion page?

  • flatlander Omaha, NE
    Feb. 21, 2011 8:02 a.m.

    Amazing how BYU-Utah sports get over 100 comments just by warming up and Poor Mitt gets no one to come to his defense. but then, outisde of LDS members who supports him?

  • Doug10 Roosevelt, UT
    Feb. 21, 2011 8:01 a.m.

    I am not sure why this article is in the paper. Mitt is a talking head just like Beck and Palin but he is fighting for his political life right now. He is behind Palin in national polls though so he has to be frustrated.

    The article does point out the GOP does little to lead or try to lead the country, other than Obama bashing and the country is sick of that.

    Does the GOP have a way to put people to work and create more jobs? Bob Bennett and Orrin Hatch say they don't. Mitt says they do.

    Does the GOP really want to cut the spending? The biggest percentage of the budget is spent on the military and yet not one of the budget proposals by Dems or GOP will addres that. Instead they want to take from the older part of the population. Attack medicare. Now that is brave.

    If this article is critical of Mitt that is good as Mitt has yet to contribute meaningful ideas to put workers back to work, balance a budget or to do anything other than bash Obama.

    Stand up, lead out, be a man.

  • kreese Taft, CA
    Feb. 21, 2011 7:59 a.m.

    Who cares what the New York Times prints---or anything Frank Rich has to say.