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    Feb. 23, 2011 8:43 a.m.

    dave, working is multiple felonies. ID theft, illegal immigration. The argument in the illegal immigrant debate sounds like a robber plea bargaining in district court.

    They are here for the work, we have none available. Go home and come back on a work visa when available. Be honest with the country, you expect that from us.

    John C. C., one of the reasons for immigration laws is to protect the citizens and their jobs. Mexico is building a wall on their south border, Greece, Italy, Spain.

    Mexico has the 12th best economy in the world. People come here not for citizenship, but the jobs. Our wages are higher. If we don't stop them, they won't be for long.

  • procuradorfiscal Tooele, UT
    Feb. 22, 2011 1:56 p.m.

    Re: "Change the law, not the truth."

    How's about changing neither.

    Just enforce both.

    If we gave lawmakers an enforced rest from passing new and ever more restrictive and ridiculous laws, as we incentivize the media to tell the truth, rather than just parroting the "progressive" party line, we'd quickly solve about 95% of the problems confronting us today.

  • Redshirt1701 Deep Space 9, Ut
    Feb. 22, 2011 12:21 p.m.

    To "dave | 8:00 a.m." the cost is around $2700/per year per illegal family. That does not include the increased crime rate of the children of illegal immigrants. The parents are typically not involved in violent crimes, but their children are.

  • wrz SLC, Utah
    Feb. 21, 2011 5:07 p.m.

    @John C. C.

    "Proper border security would both let in those who want to build our dream with us and share it with the rest of the world."

    Border security is a farce. It's a cop-out. Politicians use the phrase to duck responsibility in an effort to try to stay neutral on how to deal with illegals (er, I mean fake documented immigrants).

    Fully forty percent of illegals in this country come here on legitimate visas... work, student, etc. But they overstay. They forget to go home when their visas expire. Securing our borders will not solve this problem.


    @Considering 9:50 a.m.:

    "1-We must secure the border."

    See above.

    "4-We've got to remove all other incentives for being here illegally."

    You got that right. In order to discourage our southern friends to stop coming over our borders we have to remove the incentive. That means NO JOBS. Period. And no anchor babies.

    If and when we need foreigners to come in and help us do our work we will let them know. There already exists adequate procedures to allow in workers when needed.

  • Mr. Bean SLC, Utah
    Feb. 21, 2011 4:52 p.m.

    @Brother Chuck Schroeder

    "Water is already a scarce resource in this desert state, and the increased demand generated by population growth is exacerbating the problem."

    It's not only water that's becoming a scarce resource. It's almost everything. Got to YouTube and view 'Immigration Gumballs' to see what uncontrolled immigration will bring.

    "Yes it's time to really report then let ICE deport."

    And it's time we required ICE to enforce our laws after illegals are reported and see that they are deported. Obama is the main guy who's at fault here. He calculates that he needs the Hispanic vote to get reelected. That's why he's going easy on their illegal brethren.

  • Screwdriver Casa Grande, AZ
    Feb. 21, 2011 3:44 p.m.

    Amazing that foxicns are so intent on punishing the working families and not the illegal employers that ARE citizens and wntirely subect and obligated to our laws.

    They've done a nice job at the GOP of pointing to the guy that they offered jobs to.

  • tenx Santa Clara, UT
    Feb. 21, 2011 12:43 p.m.

    @dave. One over (the border) is a misdameanor, two over is a felony. Speeding one or two over isn't so bad and the cop most likely will give you a break. Costs are about $450,000,000 for our state to keep being a scanctuary state. Write to Sandstrom and support his bill. Viva LEGAL immigration.

  • Mr. Bean SLC, Utah
    Feb. 21, 2011 12:40 p.m.

    @Esquire 6:12 a.m.:

    "Severe violations of our laws, you mean by employers who want the cheap labor and provide the jobs?"

    Yes, that too. Employers who hire illegals should be investigated and punished.

    "This situation is in large part simply supply meeting demand."

    We have the labor supply, meaning job seekers, in America without having to resort to bringing in immigrants... especially illegal immigrants. As you may know, we have millions of unemployed Americans seeking work. When immigrants flood into this country they drive wages down below what is needed for an American to survive on. Our unemployed can make more on unemployment benefits... which our illustrious Congress keeps extending to now 99 weeks.

  • Considering Stockton, UT
    Feb. 21, 2011 9:50 a.m.

    Clearly, we have a multi-faceted problem and so a multi-faceted solution is required.

    1-We must secure the border. If we brought home even HALF of our troops from places like Japan, Germany, South Korea, and England, we could easily secure our Southern Border with zero additional costs.

    2-We must get serious about interior enforcement. Street cops already know pretty well who the illegals are. They don't speak english (except when convenient), they don't have driver licenses, they don't have liability insurance, and cars are often not properly registered. Illegal aliens must face a real risk of being identified, arrested, and deported.

    3-We've got to take down the help wanted sign. That means properly punishing employers who hire illegal aliens. For repeat or flagrant violations, penalties should extend beyond merely fining corporations to imposing jail/prison time on corporate officers.

    4-We've got to remove all other incentives for being here illegally. That means ending birthright citizenship for children of illegal aliens, ending welfare including free education, and requiring doctors and nurses to report suspected cases of illegal aliens on the same basis they report suspected cases of child abuse.

  • Aikidoka Midvale, UT
    Feb. 21, 2011 9:40 a.m.

    We've go two signs at our border. One says "No Trespassing" the other "Help Wanted". We have to take down one of the signs.

  • John C. C. Payson, UT
    Feb. 21, 2011 9:22 a.m.

    Charles B. Jackson refers to "the very law that keeps us safe and free." Our immigration laws only keep us free from economic cooperation and growth, while it seals in the poverty and corruption in Mexico. Proper border security would both let in those who want to build our dream with us and share it with the rest of the world.

    Change the law, not the truth.

  • dave Park City, UT
    Feb. 21, 2011 8:00 a.m.

    The writer mentions costs and does not share these costs with us...

    Also, what does severe violation of our laws mean? Driving one MPH over the speed limit is illegal. Is it severe? Who defines severe?

  • Brother Chuck Schroeder A Tropical Paradise USA, FL
    Feb. 21, 2011 7:55 a.m.

    PS: "one more thing here".

    Charles B. Jackson of Ivins says unless and until we face up to the severe violations of our laws and do everything possible to put a stop to them, we will never solve this problem or the cost problem. That's what I to was saying for years about Utah, (like it or not.) According to an estimate of the Pew Hispanic Center, in 2005 there were an estimated 75,000 to 100,000 illegal aliens living in Utah. In 2004 alone the taxpayers of Utah spent $184.4 million per year on illegal aliens and their children in public schools. The projected annual fiscal costs to Utah taxpayers for emergency medical care, education and incarceration resulting if an amnesty is adopted for illegal residents. 2010 was $417,000,000. Water is already a scarce resource in this desert state, and the increased demand generated by population growth is exacerbating the problem. "SO DON'T WHINE AT ME" when I ask Congress about our raise on Social Security (COLAS), as a entitlement, when ya'll support these illegal's in Utah.

    Yes it's time to really report then let ICE deport.

    Ya think?.

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    Feb. 21, 2011 6:12 a.m.

    Severe violations of our laws, you mean by employers who want the cheap labor and provide the jobs? This situation is in large part simply supply meeting demand.

  • Bryan Syracuse, UT
    Feb. 21, 2011 12:55 a.m.

    The House has passed Sandstrom's immigration bill. The Senate needs to do the same, and quickly. We have allowed illegal aliens to trample our laws long enough. Our welcoming nature has been abused. It is time to stop ignoring the problem, and time to start doing something about it. Sandstrom's law is a good start.