Dick Harmon: How long will BYU keep playing TCU?

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  • softbear Olympia, WA
    Feb. 22, 2011 3:57 p.m.

    To the U guys and the true Blue, it's time for all of us to look at the facts. It doesn't really matter what we have accomplished in the past--last 10 or last 50 years--that's all behind us. What happens in the future is what will count now.

    We're both headed in new directions and none of us know how that is truly going to work out. So until the end of next season, perhaps all of us should pull back and wish both of our teams the best and hope they live up to what we think they can do. Other wise both of us could be looking for a place to hide. Until we play--- know one has an answer!!

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    Feb. 22, 2011 2:18 p.m.


    A little dusty, maybe...

    But not termite infested like a certain 26 year old trophy.

  • MacNasty Rexburg, ID
    Feb. 22, 2011 12:49 p.m.

    Hey Howard S.

    How many times can you shout "We Are Bride's maids" before anybody will pay attention to you?

    Answer: Infinite...nobody cares...and by the way, dust is collecting on your bride's maid dress.

  • Lone Frog Dallas, Texas
    Feb. 22, 2011 11:01 a.m.

    TrueBlue: I think you're right about the occasional nature of future TCU-BYU football. Like I said before, I'm glad at the possibility the rivalry will continue and certainly grateful we were able to schedule y'all this year after Tech fled from us for the second year in a row.

    I think it would be outstanding to meet every few years. Next year, probably not. It's our first year in the Big East and our OOC includes Virginia, Oklahoma and SMU (who keep getting better under June Jones). After all that, we'll probably want to sweeten our palates with a cupcake instead of a brawl with the Cougars.

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    Feb. 22, 2011 10:02 a.m.


    While a dusty gallery of ancient honors may be meaningful to ancient Cougars, it really doesn't mean much in the "what have you done for me lately" world of college football.

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    Feb. 22, 2011 9:25 a.m.


    Do you think that shiny new ESPN contract will help BYU finally win it's way to a BCS bowl invitation?

  • Swoop Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 22, 2011 9:19 a.m.

    Howard S.

    It's better to have a "dusty gallery of ancient honors" than an empty gallery.

    BYU has a Legacy Hall filled with National Awards.

    Utah has a closet with a couple of bowl trophies.

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    Feb. 22, 2011 8:39 a.m.


    BYU stands on it's own, cuts Multi-Million dollar contracts with ESPN. Puts every game on National and International TV.

    Utah, needs the collective, socialistic, coat-tail, leech approach for survival.

    The U isn't allowed full reveune for 5 years, and only if the next contract exceeds 170 million.

    Nice Equality. As for National TV, only when they play BYU.

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    Feb. 22, 2011 7:30 a.m.

    @ Bluto -

    You are funny.

    "People in the know, of College football, knows exactly where BYU stands."

    Right, people do know... On the outside looking in.


  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    Feb. 21, 2011 11:20 p.m.


    Earth to Bluto -

    Nobody cares about BYU's dusty gallery of ancient honors.

    If they did the Cougs would be in a BCS conference instead of filling ESPN's second tier time slots as the Boise State replacement.

  • TrueBlue Orem, UT
    Feb. 21, 2011 11:09 p.m.

    BYU and TCU will only occassionally play in football after next year. Every few years, they'll schedule a home-and-home. In basketball, probably never after this year, except for maybe at a holiday tournament.

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    Feb. 21, 2011 11:00 p.m.

    FYI softbear

    The 1984 Championship was Not Split...

    BYU was the "Consensus National Champion".
    5 Seperate Organizations voted BYU Number One.

    And in the two which matter the most, AP writers and Coaches Polls...

    No debate at all. The phony debate was trumped up by Bryant Gumbal and Barry Switzer, who needed to promote the Orange Bowl for NBC.

    Yes, that same Barry Switzer, who 24 years later, trashed The Utes before the Sugar Bowl, stating "That not one single player on Utah was even worthy to play for Alabama".

    We all know what happened..

    Utah just cannot let BYU's achievements and stature rest, they are so insecure that they seek to demean every noteworthy accomplishment BYU has ever had, even though Utah has never achieved any of them for themselves.

    This is 4th grader psychology, folks.

    Check out the Senior Vice President of ESPN, and what he thinks about BYU, and that is all that really matters.

    ESPN's millions to BYU is all the nipping little brothers at the U need to know.

    People in the know, of College football, knows exactly where BYU stands.

    The opinions of jealous little brothers are irrelevant.

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    Feb. 21, 2011 10:38 p.m.

    @hedgie,howards, aka Ute Trolls

    Where is the U's Heisman? Outlands? Doak Walker?
    Davey O'Brian's? Sammy Baugh's
    7 Hall of Famers
    National Championship '84 (by "5" organizations)?
    16 Consensus and 60+ All Americans?


    2 BCS Bowls in 6 years, (remember, 10 teams a year are invited, even 4 loss teams), 3 Outright Conference Championships in 53 years, does not a Legacy School Make.

    The U will never have ESPN paying millions for their broadcast rights. BYU has 3 National games on ESPN next year, already lined up, with 5 more pending.

    Like the Notre Dame of old, these games will be rebroadcast over and over.

    The only hope for Utah ever playing on National TV is when they play BYU.

    Utah, you are not a draw, you are not even a regional school.

    Future recruits will see BYU's "Access and Exposure", 65k fans at home, ESPN juggernaut support and then what, for the Utes?

    The U is already losing recruits to other Pac schools especially when they see facilities etc.

    Face it Utes, you only hope you can someday grow up to be just like Washington State, for that is your ceiling.

  • softbear Olympia, WA
    Feb. 21, 2011 5:31 p.m.

    I'm excited that TCU wants to continue to play us as well as some other power schools. It will do our program good and theirs.

    It seems everyone want's to jump on our 1984 championship team, but there are few facts that people have forgotten. OU refused to play us in the opening game that year, because Swizter didn't want to have to prepare for a passing team, his words not ours. It could have at least put the 2 teams head to head that finished the split championship. Then Texas A&M canceled a game because our stadium wasn't big enough, 64,000!!!! Now Washington has refused to play us after us beating them twice.

    I think it funny, that teams over the years have refused to play us, but I've never heard of a team not wanting to play the "U". Wonder why!!!! There will always be quality teams wanting to play us and as always we will not walk away from them. TCU is a good example.

  • PerfectCougar Payson, UTAH
    Feb. 21, 2011 1:47 p.m.

    TCU will quickly recruit great basketball talent that wants to play in the Big East.

    Texas is a hotspot for basketball talent that will come to TCU now that it will be on TV against Big East teams.

  • Pavalova Surfers Paradise, AU
    Feb. 21, 2011 12:43 p.m.

    Since you're fond of the ONE n done favors BCS conferences have done for MWC teams, can you shed any light on when Michigan will be returning the U favor? How about Notre Dame? Will Iowa State be dropping by anytime soon? Didn't think so.

    Yes, PITT came to play in your sandbox, but then again, so did San Jose State.

  • moodyblue77 Provo, UT
    Feb. 21, 2011 12:31 p.m.

    If you live in this state, you must bow down in all humility to the football and baseball frogs.

  • Mount Olympus Holladay, UT
    Feb. 21, 2011 9:32 a.m.

    Why is Patterson classless?

    He was right, he never is going to play in Provo again. BYU agreed to 1 game in his backyard in an NFL stadium, in a year where they are starting transition to the big east, coming off of a BCS game win.

    BYU is just jealous of TCU.
    TCU: 2 BCS game appearances, 1 BCS game victory, a BCS conference invite, 2 national championships, and a coach that knows how to win.

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    Feb. 21, 2011 9:28 a.m.

    I don't consider this as a home game for TCU. There are a lot of BYU fans in DFW. 40% of the fans for the OU / BYU football game were Cougar fans. 75% of the fans at the TCU / BYU basketball game were Cougar fans. I guarantee at least 50% of the crowd for the BYU / TCU football game will be Coug fans. This can really be looked at as a neutral field game.

    I hope BYU and ESPN can schedule one game each year in Cowboy stadium. More BYU exposure in Texas will lead to greater recruiting opportunities in one of the three most productive states for football recruiting.

  • Duckhunter American Fork, UT
    Feb. 21, 2011 9:18 a.m.

    Playing TCU in basketball and football whenever it can reasonably be arranged would be great. I think the Horned Frogs fans are great and I think their athletic dept. is doing a great job.

    But there are lots of selfish reasons as well. Playing games in Texas is a must in both sports. Playing a Big East team is obviously a plus in basketball and they are an AQ in football.

    I just don't see any negatives to it. Sure BYU will not beat the Frogs every time they play them, especially in football as their program is simply excellent, but all you really want is the opportunity to do it and from there whatever happens, happens.

    There are zero negatives to playing them whenever it can be arranged. Please do so, I'll look forward to it.

  • In My Humble Opinion South Jordan, UT
    Feb. 21, 2011 8:44 a.m.

    "For that matter, will the Frogs play BYU in basketball again? Certainly selling out an arena is a big deal for Conte and TCU since the last time this happened in basketball was six years ago with a Texas Tech game on campus."


    So before we all get big heads -- and I'm a Cougar fan -- the article makes it clear TCU hasn't sold out with BYU in the house the previous five years. Hard to make a "we'll fill your house" argument without Jimmer. BYU should hope TCU asks them back.

  • In My Humble Opinion South Jordan, UT
    Feb. 21, 2011 8:40 a.m.

    Why play TCU in basketball?

    Because TCU's basketball program will improve quickly and dramatically as a member of the Big East.

    Because a game against a Big East opponent will be attractive to ESPN and fans in every time zone.

    Because Texas is the second most populous state and fertile recruiting ground for basketball and football.

    Because a basketball recruit OR a football recruit can go to a basketball game.

    Because television exposure isn't enough. Fans want to see the team in person once in awhile.

  • Cali Coug Visalia, CA
    Feb. 21, 2011 2:49 a.m.

    "Y" wins in September 24-17. u goes to the PAC-12 CC game and loses to UO 21-20.

    Howard S - Have to disagree with you...if 1984 was an aberration it was because the U'Dud refused to play the No. 1 ranked team in a Championship game, they were invited to play but they refused to play. Championships are won on the field, not in newpapers. This was the first time a No. 2 refused to play a No. 1. However it was not the 1984 team you should be thanking for the two BCS bowls...it is the 1997 Cotton Bowl Team. They did all of the heavy lifting that has allowed the u, BSU and TCU to have access to BCS games. Without this team access would have been denied to all Non-AQ's. You may want to issue a thank you, and be grateful others have help.

    Your "perpetual home and home" games with USC and UO may be going away...both schools are develpoing indy plans as is Texas and U of OK. Developing a plan and implementating the plan are two different things...but it is being examined. Perpetual, maybe not.

  • Lone Frog Dallas, Texas
    Feb. 20, 2011 10:55 p.m.

    Y4LYFE - Yeah, when I first heard about the Big East move, I wondered about the travel. After looking into it a bit more, though, it turns out the average game trip is only marginally longer (+100 miles). And with the MWC adding Boise, Nevada, Fresno and maybe Hawaii, we'd actually be traveling much father had we stayed.

    BleedCougarBlue: Sorry you feel that way about Patterson. Here in Texas, we feel rather differently.

    I'm glad we're playing y'all this year. Maybe with BYU's independence we'll be able to meet every few years going forward. We'd gotten a good rivalry started in the MWC, and it's good to see it continue. I've a lot of respect for the BYU football team and tradition, and have always enjoyed the fans. Nothing but best wishes for you this year - except on game day in Arlington, of course, when I'll be howling for Cougar blood. No offense. :)

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    Feb. 20, 2011 9:41 p.m.


    "all of the media attention this little independent program gets almost every week."

    ESPN helped BYU sign a one and done in the opponents backyard.

    Big Whoop...

    Utah has signed perpetual home and homes with Stanford, USC, and Oregon.

    I'll choose perpetual home and homes over on the road one and dones any day.

    And so would the vast majority of Cougar fans who quietly (and sometimes not so quietly) hope for that phone call from the BIG 12 that will never come.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    Feb. 20, 2011 9:19 p.m.

    "ESPN played a big part in putting the Oct. 28 game together."

    Gotta love that 8 yr ESPN contract. Poor bitter and jealous hedgie and howard just can't stand all of the media attention this little independent program gets almost every week.

    Great to be a Cougar Fan!

    Better dead than irrelevant red!

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    Feb. 20, 2011 8:34 p.m.

    Y Grad / Y Dad

    "...don't let me be hearin' you rag on 1984 as if it was some aberration in the cosmic football universe."

    Right you are...

    1984 was not some aberration in the cosmic football universe.

    1984 was THE aberration of the cosmic football universe.

    It was the aberration that led to the evolution of the modern BCS.

    It's poetic justice now that BYU stands on the outside looking in on the very entity that was created by their 1984 aberration.

    Oh, and while WSU 2003 may be an aberration it is at least an aberration of the current decade and not almost 3 decades old.

  • Monsieur le prof Sandy, UT
    Feb. 20, 2011 7:57 p.m.

    You play TCU for big-time football exposure, but schedule them for basketball to pad your schedule. It's good on both counts.

    The upcoming TCU v. BYU FB game sounds like a real winner! I would not be surprised if the Y won and I'm hoping they do. But I'm also interested in Utah's introduction into the PAC 12. Their success there will a validation of the kind of football the MWC has been playing the past few years.

    Go Cougs!

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    Feb. 20, 2011 7:20 p.m.

    Howard, now that you have ressurected WSU's one bright spot in football since the end of leather helmets, don't let me be hearin' you rag on 1984 as if it was some aberration in the cosmic football universe.

  • AK Cougar Palmer, AK
    Feb. 20, 2011 7:08 p.m.

    TCU is a class program with great tradition. Having BYU play there and in Football or Basketball helps with the exposure that BYU is after by going independant in Football. Basketball still has a non conference schedule to make a run at. Teams like TCU will want BYU on the schedule as the gate from a sold out game is much higher than the gate of an average attendance. Besides, the BYU fans in Texas get to see the Cougars in person. Great way to get that exposure.

    Go Cougars. I look forward to seeing the non conference schedule in future years. Now, it BYU could get back into the Great Alaksa SHootout during Thanksgiving, I could watch them again.

    Go Cougars.

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    Feb. 20, 2011 6:53 p.m.

    "...as BYU will need friendships with former foes to fill out its independent slate in football."

    Funny that BYU all of a sudden needs friends since they have spent most of the last 3 decades alienating every conference mate they ever had.

  • Owl Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 20, 2011 6:27 p.m.

    hedgehog | 6:17 a.m. Feb. 20, 2011
    And your yoots will be playing board games during the PAC 10 bowl season.

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    Feb. 20, 2011 6:21 p.m.


    "Utah then Washington State one right after the other; you know side by side, like Mutt & Jeff, Laurel & Hardy."

    Mocking Washington State and Utah?

    In January 2003 Washington State was in the Rose Bowl following a PAC 10 championship. BYU was staying home after a 5-7 season.

    In January 2009 Utah was beating Alabama in the Sugar Bowl while BYU had lost to Arizona in the Vegas Bowl.

    Mutt&Jeff/Laurel&Hardy have been to the prime time within the last decade.

    Funny that they would be mocked by those who haven't seen the big time in more than two decades.

  • BleedCougarBlue Enid, OK
    Feb. 20, 2011 2:23 p.m.


    GREAT football team.

    Class-less head coach.

  • DEW Cougars Sandy, UT
    Feb. 20, 2011 2:18 p.m.

    to panamadesnews, you don't need to read or post anything to this guy hedgie.

    Why baskeball with tcu? I like the idea with fb but bb?

  • MacNasty Rexburg, ID
    Feb. 20, 2011 12:25 p.m.

    Hey Wedgie,

    Last night ESPN Sportcenter reported on Utah then Washington State one right after the other; you know side by side, like Mutt & Jeff, Laurel & Hardy. Get used to it buddy; looks like it will be a long term association.

  • panamadesnews Lindon, UT
    Feb. 20, 2011 11:09 a.m.

    Hedgehog, glad you have somewhere to post your negative retoric. If you did so on your own team's articles, such as how great Ute BB is doing this year, you might be kicked off, or at least your input would not be posted, and the Ute fans would certainly not be too excited at the prospect. Notice that I did not include you as a Ute fan - you are nothing but a BYU detractor. You live & die by BYU FB. Thank you for your support for BYU on these BYU articles. It shows that you care in your own odd way. Have a great day.

  • caleb in new york Glen Cove, NY
    Feb. 20, 2011 8:26 a.m.

    It probably would help BYU to treat a basketball and football relationship with TCU separately. Continued football games against TCU would be exciting. But I don't think BYU stands much to gain with continued basketball games against TCU. If BYU wants to play hoops in TEXAS, there are much better teams than TCU to try to line up.

  • hedgehog Ann Arbor, MI
    Feb. 20, 2011 6:17 a.m.


    Just as the tds is almost guaranteed going to the Krafty Hunger Bowl every year, TCU is almost a sure thing to go to a BCS EVERY year.

    Kind of a no brainer.

  • SJ Bobkins Gilbert, AZ
    Feb. 20, 2011 3:30 a.m.

    I believe that the spurned lover syndrome hitting MWC board rooms and athletic admin offices will soon be alleviated when a UNLV, New Mexico, CSU, or Wyoming finds itself buried in red ink and voila, an instant solution all dressed in Prussian Blue is too good to resist. Oh Tom, make 'em play in Provo while your at it.

  • Y4LYFE Lubbock, TX
    Feb. 20, 2011 12:44 a.m.

    Wow that big least travel just seems crazy, but money is nice right?

    Indy is better.