Immigration is about bread and butter

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  • anti-liar Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 20, 2011 4:36 p.m.

    @ NeilT | 10:05 a.m. Feb. 20, 2011
    "This whole immigration debate is rooted in racism and bigotry."

    That's a lie. The debate actually is rooted in flagrant disrespect of U.S. sovereignty and law by hostile invaders and occupiers of the United States. Virtually all Americans, including myself, heartily welcome legal immigrants.

  • NeilT Clearfield, UT
    Feb. 20, 2011 10:05 a.m.

    HATE HATE AND MORE hate against immigrants. Why. I grew up on a farm and we used migrant farm workers. The idea that we can find americans to harvest crops is asinine. Believe me tried, impossible. Someday all of you who spew your hate against others because they are poor or don't have the privileges we have or going to answer to a higher power. This whole immigration debate is rooted in racism and bigotry. If you don't think so your rhetoric says otherwise.

  • RichardB Murray, UT
    Feb. 20, 2011 2:48 a.m.

    Our current immigration laws were written in 1996, to face the global market and newly created NAFTA.

  • TRUTH Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 19, 2011 8:43 p.m.

    A day late and a dollar Short John! The Utah Compact is has been thrown out with Amnesty! America wants strong secure borders...Just like Mexico has!!

  • tenx Santa Clara, UT
    Feb. 19, 2011 7:11 p.m.

    @john cc. Don't widen the gates much more. There are about 3.5 billion people who want to come here. Doubt we can handle that.

  • MapleDon Springville, UT
    Feb. 19, 2011 5:53 p.m.

    Wow. More pro-illegal immigration propoganda from the Deseret Snooze. Shock me.

  • wrz SLC, Utah
    Feb. 19, 2011 3:53 p.m.

    @John C. C. - Breaking the study down by states is a red herring. Of course, immigrants will naturally migrate to the states with jobs. The more valid statistic is the total US unemployment which is about 15 million... who are sucking up billions in unemployment benefits. We don't need more immigrants in this country, legal or non right now. We don't have enough work for our own citizens. Foreigners will have to wait until our economy turns around (if ever) before we need them again. The best thing for our economy to turn around is for all immigrants who come for work to go home.

    @Emophiliac - I don't understand why you would want to strip the brightest from other countries and bring them here. In the first place, we have alotta bright people here in the good ol' US of A. More than enough. Further, you'd be stripping the brightest from other countries who need them to further their own country's economic well being. And in doing so you would create more poverty there, thus more pressure for the poorest to migrate to (where else?) the US of A.

  • Emophiliac Vernal, UT
    Feb. 19, 2011 1:47 p.m.

    @John C. C.

    I think you have a good reason as to why we want to bring in highly-educated people from around the World, since they are a good bet to create jobs. The higher their education, the better.

    What I don't see from that study is a reason why the US would want to bring more uneducated immigrants into our country.

  • John C. C. Payson, UT
    Feb. 19, 2011 12:46 p.m.

    Do you think every job filled by a foreign worker takes one from us? Think again. Do you think every child you raise takes a job from another adult? No. People create jobs, too. People are consumers, too. Recruit them from across the border and you get a bonus--workers you didn't have to pay to raise and educate.

    Evidence from Rob Paral & Associates in their recent study:

    "In the 10 states with the highest shares of recent immigrants [1998-2008] in the labor force, the average unemployment rate for native‐born whites is about half a percentage point lower than in the 10 states with the lowest share of recent immigrants.

    "In the 10 states with the highest shares of recent immigrants in the labor force, the average unemployment rate for native‐born blacks is about 4 percentage points lower than in the 10 states with the lowest share of recent immigrants."

    So who's suffering? Until we widen the gates, both we and the victims of Mexico's poverty and corruption.

  • 10CC Bountiful, UT
    Feb. 19, 2011 10:50 a.m.

    We can't be competing with the federal government on immigration policy, that's crazy talk. But we can round 'em up and ship 'em out, you betcha.

    While we're talking about the Feds, how about if they give us OUR land back? Then we can drill, baby, drill...and make a lot of money. But I'd want my kids to be owners, not workers - those are dangerous jobs.

    Maybe then we can secede, and have our own immigration policy.

    Secession isn't covered in the Article of Faith, is it?

  • Alfred SLC, Utah
    Feb. 19, 2011 10:45 a.m.

    "Be careful what you wish for. With food, gas and heating prices going up, we may want to take a second look at how we view immigrant labor."

    Food, gas, and heating prices are going up due in large measure to our laging economy... which is laging in large measure due to our high unelmployment rate. We currently have 15 million unemployed sucking up billions of tax dollars in unemployment benefits. Money we don't have, can't afford, and must borrow. It stands to reason that the influx of millions of illegals taking Americans' jobs exacerbates the problem. And don't tell us that illegals take the jobs that Americans won't. Americans will take any job is the wage is adequate to live on. And why aren't wages high enough? Because illegals come in and bid them down.

    If farmers need work harvesting, farm communities can do what mine did as a kid. Schools let out for a few weeks in the fall so students could help harvest crops. We called it spud/sugar beat vacation. helped the farmer and put some money in kids pockets. A win-win for both.

  • Emophiliac Vernal, UT
    Feb. 19, 2011 7:34 a.m.

    Like it or not, Utah is part of the US, and has no business trying to set up some kind of illegal immigrant pool. What Utah should be doing is trying to help US businesses use existing Federal programs to find immigrant workers, if they are somehow unable to find workers in Utah. If that system is broken, then that is the one that should be fixed. Utah doesn't need to be creating some kind of parallel system that has no Constitutional basis. And, of course, any foreigners that are to be employed should be paid wages above and beyond what would be given to a US resident - there is no need to undercut wages. If the business can't show that their wages are reasonable, then they don't need to be in business.

  • CJ Murray, UT
    Feb. 19, 2011 6:56 a.m.

    More nonsense and drivel from the amnesty hack in chief. The articles from Florez never change, the date on the top is the only difference. Go back a week or so and read the same old baloney,,,, we need immigrants, we can't live without them... blah blah blah. We did just fine without them for years and will be fine without them when they leave. Go Sandstrom.