Patterson how does that crow taste, Good move for BYU especially wih all the
players TCU is losing.
Cougs4Life,Yes, BYU has a bigger national following due to two
things. They have a long history and tradition of dominating the WAC and MWC.
They also have a lot of fans who are fans simply because they are members of the
Church. The Church following is similar to Notre Dame and there is no way Utah
can compete with that. We have to rely on the more traditional fan base for
college teams which is our alumni.However, I remind you that not to
long ago ESPN was trying to get the annual rivalry game played on Thanksgiving
Day to go head to head with the NFL teams. Even though both teams turned ESPN
down on that one, you can't ignore the Utes role in that. So we have been
involved in discussions of so called made for TV game.I think it's
time for me to move on so just let me reiterate the good luck wish that I
started with and hope it goes well for BYU.
Howard S. | 8:46 p.m. Feb. 18, 2011 Taylorsville, UT @Veritas
Aequitas"KWhitt can only take you so far, then, again the Utes
will be unranked..."===Reality babe.It can
only take you so far....Ranked #5, then what was your final AP rank
this year??? (Others getting votes).
Here is one question that seems to be at the root of this whole debate: Would
any of the major networks ever arrange a game like this for the Utes?Maybe...but they never have. Utah hasn't been included in a made-for-tv game
because there is NO national interest in Utah Football, even if they have been
invited to the Pac 12.Hence, in 2011 most Ute games will be
broadcast on Fox Regional...except when they get to play on National TV for
their little trip down to Provo!
Re Independent 2:54I show BYU playing La Tech on Nov 5 in LA, and 13
games total. The article indicated there were 13 games. Have I missed
@Veritas Aequitas"KWhitt can only take you so far, then, again
the Utes will be unranked..."So, VA are relating your
"back from the future" experience? Or are you just
expressing a hope, wish and desire that the Utes fail in the PAC 12?Oh, and if you're really "back from the future" should I go short or
long in the market?
Dutchman | 8:00 p.m. Feb. 18, 2011 Murray, UT WA_Alum&Dad,Funny, and I am still waiting for you to tell me how you and/or people
in Marysville have never heard of the University of Utah when Seattle dentist
Barney Clark was the first recipient of an artificial heart at the world
renowned U of U Medical Center.===And that has what impact on
the University of Utah football team?It's like saying that the BYU
faculty intrepation of the Dead Sea Scrolls will influence Jake Heaps chances of
gettin the Heisman...Let's look at reality, for just one second.The Utes had the respect to go to #5, then dropped out of the AP.What are you looking at for next year. KWhitt can only take you so far,
then, again the Utes will be unranked, and looking for the NC????Give the rest of us a break.Earn it on the field, and not on an
invite.I expect BYU to earn it on the field.Do you
expect less from the U???Like basketball?Do it on the
field, and stop the hypotheticals....Both you and HowardS.....
I say go dutchman... Your points are valid in your mind... You rock....
WA_Alum&Dad,Funny, and I am still waiting for you to tell me how
you and/or people in Marysville have never heard of the University of Utah when
Seattle dentist Barney Clark was the first recipient of an artificial heart at
the world renowned U of U Medical Center. Oh, and a recipient of the Nobel
Prize in Medicine comes from this unknown university. A few other things you
must have missed since never hearing of the U:2002 winter olympics
since the opening and closing ceremonies where held there1979
national ncaa basketball final four and national championship game with Larry
Bird and Magic Johnson held at the U1998 national ncaa basketball
title game between Kentucky and Utah2009 sugar bowl game between
Utah and AlabamaJust a very short list of things you must of missed
and your friends too who never heard of the U. Barney Clark heard of it though.
Mormon UteAre you done writing your essays yet? Seriously, the DN
server only has so much storage space.
Dutchman If we are all arrogant, then you would have fit right in.
I get a kick out of how to some Utah fans, being a happy BYU Cougar puts you
perpetually on the edge of a Nephite pride cycle. I remember entering BYU and
finding out how bafflingly arrogant I was by the more-broad-minded-than-thou
Utes. I might have been acceptable to them if I began to be ashamed of BYU. If
I had only told myself that I am an island of sanity in a sea of
self-righteousness which is BYU, I might have overcome my pride. But alas, I am
a lost cause.
Counter Intelligence:Have you ever listened to U fans? "I am better
because I dont think I am better therefore I really am better".That has to be the best comment ever. Love it.
Oregonian,I also travel to away games. I have been to Oregon a few
times, Arizona and UCLA. Every time Utah's allotment of tickets from the host
school has been sold out. That was true of Notre Dame and the sugar bowl so I
don't know where the assertion came that Utah turned back tickets to the sugar
bowl. I have friends who bought $130 tickets to the sugar bowl and then had no
way to get there from Utah. If you don't believe Utah travels well maybe you
can use your influence to get Oregon or Washington to release more tickets to
the visiting school. I used Notre Dame as an example of what all college
football fans should aspire to regarding hospitality and sportsmanship including
Utah and BYU. I am truly thrilled that the church is at a point in membership
that BYU fans can be found close enough to most major sports venues. That being
said it is a major hit to travel a 1,000 + miles to watch your team and fork
over all the expenses involved. Please have some respect for that. That was
your smack down on me.
Please stop talking about BYU everyone. They are irrelevant now that they are
independent. No one cares about them. No one wants to play them. They weren't
the flagship of both the MWC and the WAC. Oops, my fingers were crossed.
Counter Intelligence:because the Moderator is a Ute.
Interesting how the comments to every BYU sports story ends up being taken over
by "Ute fans" (or is it just BYU haters?). Perhaps one of
the psych PHD or an MD candidate at that vaunted medical school would consider
studying the perrenial BYU envy on the local newspaper's comment boards as the
basis for a dissertation. I'm sick of hearing Ute trolls yapping
about how BYU and UU are rivals. Utah is a regional school. Except for medical
students and gymnasts, who from outside the intermountain west *ever* selects UU
as their first choice school? Meanwhile BYU turns away thousands of applicants
from all over the world, and well more than half the BYU student body--and fan
base--is not from the I-15 corridor. Rivals? Im still looking for
that one person who applied to both the UofU and BYU and was accepted at BYU but
*not* at UU. Still waiting . . .
Hedgehog telling BYU fans that BYU doesn't match up against TCU is classic!
HahaCan we all say:Utah 7TCU 47Thanks
for worrying about us so much Hedgehog...@Mormon UteWhy
are you wasting your time commenting on the BYU board? Is it getting too boring
listening to the same old thing on Utah comment boards?
Good schedule shaping up for next year but will BYU get some good games at home.
Next year's home schedule with the exception of Utah seems pretty ho-hum. Will
this be the case in the future, a lot of good games against quality opponents on
the road while playing basically the WAC at home
SportsFan,Again, I'm not discounting anything BYU has accomplished,
but you also can't deny the Utes have earned what we've gotten and only were
held out of the national title picture by forces beyond our control.Alpine Coug,Oh no, I'm not playing word games. You said BYU has
accomplished far more than Utah ever will. That's not tearing us down? Telling
someone they cannot succeed at a higher level than they have before? How is
that a positive? How is that wishing us well? If I told my teenager that, I'd
be setting her up for failure. Apology accepted.TrueBlue,Yes, many Ute fans are a disgrace to the teams and the school. I wish the
administration and the coaches would do more to change the atmosphere. As far
as the pre-game stuff. I'd ask the BYU players to abandone the haka. In
polynesian cultures it is meant as a challenge to your enemies and many Utah
players are polynesian as well. If the BYU players don't want to provoke
anything, leave the haka in the locker room.
Mormon Ute Actually, an anti-trust, restraint of trade lawsuit is a
very viable option, and you can be sure BYU wouldn't be going it alone. The
Cougars would have lots of financial supporters and friends of the court filings
to aid them.btw, I'm a Utah graduate as is my father and many of my
uncles, cousins, and friends; I've attended many Utah-BYU basketball and
football games dating back to the 70's and I've been a strong supporter of both
schools for years.Unfortunately, the classless, boorish behavior of
a sizeable portion of Utah's fan base (mostly just BYU haters) has made it very
difficult to continue supporting the Utes in sports.I still have
great respect for the academic institution, but little respect for Utah's
football and basketball teams.The near pre-game brawls initiated by
Utah's football team the last couple of years and Utah fans kicking snow on
Bronco and shouting profanities during his post-game press conference this year
simply confirm the classless nature of many Utah fans.I was a big
supporter of Utah's 1998, 2004 and 2008 teams, but, lately, not its fans.
Have to give BYU a lot of credit, they've put together a very good schedule in a
short period of time. It's great to have so many top caliber teams coming onto
Utah and BYU's schedule with the PAC 12 and independent moves they've made... a
great time to be a football fan in Utah!
@ Mormon UteBetter re-read my post again brother. Note very
carefully that I did not tear down the Utes-but continue to wish them the very
best. Still playing word games I see. Perhaps I owe you an apology and came
down too hard on you when my thoughts were aimed at some of your fellow Ute
fans-who I suspect are not really Utah fans-but BYU haters and trolls.@ DutchmanWho said anything about hospitality of Notre Dame fans.
They were absolutely some of the very nicest people anywhere. And after the
Oklahoma game in Dallas in 2009, nothing but genuine niceness from their fans to
ours. No smack talk or yelling-nothing but respect. Something that I have felt
almost everywhere I have ever attended a BYU football game. With one glaring
re: WA_Alum&Dad Well said.
Mormon UteUtah deserved a shot at the 2004 and 2008 titles, but to
say that Utah would have won the NC except for the BCS simply ignores
history.In 1979, BYU finished the regular season undefeated, but the
Cougars were only ranked #9 in the final regular season polls. None of the
national media even mentioned undefeated BYU as a possible national championship
contender.It tooks a series of 1- and 2-loss Top 12 finishes, with a
couple of big bowl wins over SMU and Missouri thrown in, before BYU earned
enough national respect to warrant consideration as a serious national
championship contender.Even with an 11-1 record and two road wins
over Top 15 teams, BYU still only finished #7 in both polls 1983.Utah, with no previous track record didn't even crack to the Top 20 in 2003
and was unranked in 2007.Compare BYU's record, year-by-year, from
1979 to 1984 with Utah's record from 1999 to 2004, and from 2003 to 2008, and
you'll see an enormous difference in overall record and Top 25 finishes for BYU
Alpine Coug (continued),So quit tearing down the Utes. I have never
torn down BYU or disprespected their tradition. I have always wished them the
best against everybody but the Utes. Be careful about generalizations, because
they will come back to bite you. I have no doubt BYU will continue to do well,
but I also have no doubt BYU will continue to struggle like all schools outside
the BCS conferences for recognition. Until the NCAA has the guts to take
control of what they should.Cougars1,Yes, I am fully
aware of TCU's graduates. I also know that many people predicted the demise of
their defense a year ago only for them to be even better and finish the season
ranked number 1 including stopping the best running team in the country. Gary
Patterson has built a solid program, not just a team. Again, sincerely, good
luck. I hope you beat them as soundly as the beat us. It would be fun to have
another crack at them, but sadly I don't see that happening in the near future.
I've come to the conclusion that way too many college sports fans are cheering
for the wrong teams. If winning is your only priority, and getting the absolute
best athletes is how to do it, then you should really be cheering for an NFL or
NBA team, and there are lots of them out there to cheer for. I'm sorry the
state of Utah doesn't have its own NFL franchise. Root for the Broncos for
heaven's sake. The BYU Faithful I know root for their school first,
and the particular sports team on the field/court second. We expect the
athletes who currently wear the white and blue to be ambassadors for our alma
mater. BYU is why the Cougars fans come out, win or lose, home or away. Seeing
our team members be good men and women & examples for our kids is way more
important than any particular final score. If the team wins while living the
standards, that's frosting for the cake. Why does that send so many of you
non-BYU sports fans around the bend? If winning the national
championship is The Most Important Thing, cheer for The Packers!
Dutchman Dude. Take it easy (methinks thou doth protest too much). Smackdown? My
point was simply Utah does not travel that well. Sure the numbers are great in
the 3 biggest games in their history, but whose isn't? Like I mentioned, I've
seen Utah play at Oregon and at SDSU and their fan support was very
underwhelming. You proved my point in your post, BYU fans only need
to travel 100 miles because they have (wait for it....) a NATIONAL presence.
Congrats on sending lots of fans to ND. Now, will you show up in force at Pitt
next year? Will we see huge fan support week in and week out in Pullman,
Seattle, Corvallis, Tuscon, SoCal, etc. I'll be there when Utah plays the Oregon
schools (but since I live less than 100 miles away I guess I don't count).And fyi, ND fans were gracious to us too, and OU fans, and Penn St, and
Florida State, etc, etc. Your point? I'm surprised you'd bring up
"graciousness" after that tantrum of a post.
TrueBlue,Let's be honest, the only leg to stand on with a law suit
is that taxpayer funded schools are being treated unfairly in the BCS system.
If BYU wants to have a legal team plead their case, that would be their right,
but Congress will not fight the battle for one private school. BTW, if that's
all it takes for the smoking gun, why wasn't TCU's situation this year
considered that smoking gun?Alpine Coug,Talk about the
pot calling the kettle black... You come down on me for your perception that I
am tearing down BYU's tradition and not giving them their due and then you claim
the Utes will never reach similar accomplishments. A prediction you cannot
possibly make and which tears down the Utes far more than anything I have ever
said. I have on many occaisions wished BYU well and said independence was the
right choice for them. You see my caution about TCU as a put down, but take
note I sat there in our stadium and watched them take apart a previously
undefeated team that had only had one close game all year.
Alpine Coug and Oregonian,Nice try at a smack down. I graduated
from BYU but left your fan base because of arrogance like yours. Yes, I am
still very active in the LDS Church. I say that because I know what you are
thinking. Every inbound flight to New Orleans for the sugar bowl was sold out.
Ute fans were flying into neighboring states and then driving over to attend the
game. The airlines admitted that they should have added more flights but it was
the beginning of the recession. How were we supposed to get there, answer me
that since you both know it all. Unlike most BYU fans the fans at Notre Dame
were gracious and super friendly. I am surprised that with all the experience
you have with Notre Dame that you have learned nothing about their hospitality.
Many Notre Dame fans told me after the "beat down" that they were
astounded how many Ute fans were there. Unlike BYU fans who many come from
maybe 100 miles away, almost all Ute fans come all the way from Utah. I was
told Utah brought the most visitors that season.
SportsFan,I agree 100% about the opinion polls. I am and always
have been a proponent of a playoff. It always bothered me that so many
questioned BYU's title, because they said it was based on opinion. So why do
you put down what the Utes did in 2004 and 2008? Don't we deserve respect for
stepping up to the challenge? Our 2004 team had the longest active win streak
going into the Fiesta Bowl in the country. It went back to the prior year.
Kyle Wittingham did nearly the same thing spanning the 2007 and 2008 seasons. I
know some BYU fans who are still chapped by the fact the Wittingham chose the U
over BYU and that is why they refuse to acknowledge what he has done. I hope
you are not one of those.Cougars1,I didn't slam BYU, but
sincerely wished you luck and expressed a warning based on what TCU did to us
last season. I cheer for BYU against everyone but Utah and I hope you win. As
for my display name, that comes from having my religious allegiance questioned
too many times by BYU fans.
MormonUte, are you aware that TCU is graduating 20 of 22 starters from both
sides of the ball? The 2011 version of the Frogs is going to be vastly different
than the last 2 or 3 years. That includes their qb, Kerley, and ALL of the
offensive line. They will reload, but not without some growing pains. BYU lost
very few starters and most of the impact players were freshmen. I like our
chances with TCU.
@ Mormon UteC'mon man, we appreciate your ardor/passion for your
Utes, but you're tilting at windmills and playing mind/word games about who is
better. Bottom line: BYU has a long four decades plus tradition of playing
excellent football and it has gained them national recognition. A
ESPN article published this past year listed BYU as #25 on it's list of the
All-Time Top 50 Football programs with Utah lingering at #43 as a johnny come
lately.For one I applaud Ute for its recent success and love Kyle
Whittingham. I wish you nothing but the best in the new PAC-12. Truly wish
that you could do the same for BYU as an independent.But, for the
love of heaven will you and your fellow (minority) Ute fans quit trying to tear
down BYU and its tradition of excellence. We have been places and experienced
successes that you will never see. It is an absolute fact to say that Utah has
piggybacked on BYU's long trail of excellence.Trust me when I say
that BYU will continue to excel in Athletics until day Trustees pull plug and
say enough! Probably sooner than later.
Mormon Ute Have no fear. I'm sure ESPN will help the BCS
rethink their "rules" if BYU finishes high enough in the polls.At the very least, the last thing the BCS wants is a Top 5 ranked BYU
team getting passed over for a BCS game in favor of a lower-ranked at-large team
from a "BCS" conference.Calls for a class-action lawsuit
and congressional investigations against the BCS would start the moment the BCS
selections were announced.And this time, the anti-BCS forces would
have the smoking gun they've lacked in the past to make their case.
Cougars1,I agree, going independent was a good move for BYU. The
MWC was breaking up, the TV deal stinks and the revenue was not enough to
compete with the BCS. No argument there. BYU will be better off on their own
than staying in the MWC. Too bad the WAC deal didn't work out for the other
sports.All of you who are touting the Big East invites, let's
remember the Big East the conference barely alive in the BCS. They keep sending
non-ranked conference champions into BCS bowls to get slaughtered and they
finally invited TCU to elevate their level of play and hopefully stay alive in
the BCS. Their conference RPI has consistently finished below the MWC, WAC and
Conf. USA for the past 5 years.WA_Alum&Dad,As I have
said before, good luck with TCU. With the team we had in 2008 it wasn't a
problem, but with the team we have now and the team you have it doesn't look
Mormon Ute, you tell Veritas that you are not Yning, but just defending your
school. You were the 11th comment on this article, and you need to read it. I
did not see you defend your school, but I did see you slam BYU that they would
get exposed by TCU. Don't play like you are on the defense when you
are the one who is talking smack about BYU first. If you don't like the comments
made about the Utes, then maybe you need to stop talking smack about BYU. By the
way, "Mormon Ute" says all we need to know about U.
Mormon Ute In 1944, the NCAA tournament was the new kid on the
block, playing second fiddle to the more prestigious NIT. That's why Utah turned
their NCAA invitation and accepted their NIT instead.Not only that,
but do you really think that a team that only played 3 regular season games
deserves a shot at a national championship? Especially when the few remaining
teams were made up almost entirely of Freshmen and Sophomores because all of the
upper classmen had been drafted into the military?Utah's entire
1943-44 regular season scheduleIdaho State (twice)Colorado
College---------------------------In 1984, BYU finished
the season on a 24-game winning streak that included two road wins over Top 15
teams. With most of the 1983 team returning in 1984, BYU had already established
its credentials as a very good team, despite the fact that BYU's biggest name
opponents, Pittsburgh and Michigan, both finished with less than stellar
seasons.btw, as much as BCS supporters like to pretend it's not, the
major college football national champion is still determined by the opinion
polls. That will never change until we have a playoff.
Mormon Ute There's always been a big boys club in major college
football.Go back and check out the pre-season Top 20 polls from the
70's and 80's and you'll find the usual group of suspects, in slightly different
order, were ranked every year.BYU stepped into a perfect storm in
1984. A great team preceeded by several other great teams, and enough blemishes
on all of the other contenders that even the big boys club couldn't justify not
giving the national championship to BYU.Washington and Nebraska were
both invited to play #1 BYU in the Holiday Bowl, but they both chose money and
playing in more prestigious bowls over a chance to play for a national
championship.All you have to do is go back to 2003 to see how an
undefeated, PAC 12 champion could be left out of the BCS championship game.Oregon wouldn't have played in the BCS championship game this past
season, if Ohio State or Texas had won their conference championship with only
one loss.The big boys club still exists, even within the BCS.
CG,The State of Utah and Salt Lake City did. Yes, that was Governor
Hunstman on the steps of the City and County Building standing next to Kyle
Wittingham.AZguy,You need to review the BCS rules. The
only way BYU gets in is if the BCS bowl slots cannot be filled by the AQ
conferences, the non-AQ conferences (MWC, WAC, Conf. USA, Mid Am, Sun Belt and
WAC), or Notre Dame. Only after all the teams in those conferences and Notre
Dame fail to rank high enough to fill the BCS spots will any other independent
team be considered no matter how highly they are ranked.
SportsFan,I was responding to a BYU fan who claimed a national title
was won by BYU in 5 different sports. So that has to be more than football and
that makes my claim just as valid. How does BYU getting the national title by
beating an unranked team in the Holiday Bowl rank higher than the Ute basketball
team winning a national tournament endorsed by the NCAA? Help me out with that
one. At least a tournament is one on the field not by opinions in the polls.AZguy,C'mon any realistic sports fan has to acknowledge that
the position all non-AQ football teams are in now is infinitely more difficult
than what BYU was in in 1984. This has been proven by 3 teams (including Utah)
going undefeated no less than 5 times over the course of 5 years and not one of
them even getting a shot at the title game. Even when some have been the only
undefeated team left in the country.
Veritas,I'm not whining, just defending my team and my school
against unfair and untrue statements from the Cougar faithful who seem to have
the need to build themselves up when their team is down by trashing us.Spiker,No salivating here. I am very happy with the Utes
situation going into the PAC-12. I have no illusions of going undefeated next
season, but have hopes of finishing in the top half of the conference and going
to a nice bowl game. Then building on that as the recruiting, coaching and
competitveness improve.TrueBlue,There was no big boys
club when BYU won it all in 1984. Had there been an undefeated team from any of
the big 6 conferences there would have been no argument. The big boys network
was formed after that happened to make sure it won't happen again. You say the
Utes could finish undefeated and be kept out of the title game? That would
cause more of an uproar than if the same thing happened to an independent BYU.
Ah! the sound of jealousy and obsession from the BYU and Mormon haters. You
always know something good has happened for BYU when they are Yning this loudly
and this much. I will enjoy watching BYU on ESPN 5 or 6 times this year and will
catch the rest on BYU's national station. I think they could win 10 or more this
year. Keep the laughs coming haters? Your desperation makes it that much
September 10th, 2011(Utah's big PAC 12 debut)BYU and Jake
Heaps play at TexasUtah and Jordan Wynn play at USCWhich
game will be hyped more by ESPN?
Great schedule change!
It seems only yesterday that the Utes were putting the Cougars in their
rear-view mirror, never to be thought of again, as the Utes were heading off to
PAC 12 country.Yet, here we are 8 months later and the same
"Utah fans" are still obsessing about BYU.After seeing
what's already happened in basketball with Jimmermania, even with BYU still
buried under the MTN, the haters are rightfully scared of what's in store once
BYU's exposure through ESPN really starts to kick in.A couple of big
games by Heaps on nationally televised ESPN games against teams like Texas and
TCU could completely steal the thunder from Utah's first year in the PAC 12.After all of the hype, the BYU haters are rightfully concerned.The fact that they're here, is proof of that.
TrollPolice, very true. In fact USF played their first football game in 1997 and
became a member of the Big East in 2005. Now we all know why hedgehog's opinion
carries no validity.
Well, it's finally time to pay for cable TV, something I have never done before.
And I plan to tell my cable company I only need KBYU and the ESPN stations.
To the ankle-biters out there who say Friday night games are a step
down from what we had in the MWC: Let's see, trading Saturday games that nobody
outside the I-15/I-25 corridor can watch for games I and every other BYU fan all
over the nation can watch in our own homes nearly every week? Gee, if you can't
figure that out, you truly are dumber than we thought.It's also
ironic that BYU will be playing the reigning Rose Bowl champion long before the
UU will. Ha!
hedgehog"Utah once again takes the crown as being the FIRST non
BCS program to be accepted."Sorry hedgehog, but several non-AQ
teams were invited to the Big East long before Utah was invited to the PAC
12.Utah was simply in the right place at the right time. Utah's invite had very little to do with the quality of Utah's athletic
programs, which except for a declining basketball program and a
johnny-come-lately football program haven't even been competitive in the MWC/WAC
conferences.btw, there is no crown for finishing 2nd.
Not true wedgie. I believe Louisville was the first. You are right that Colorado
was already a BCS school, but so is Washington State, Baylor, Iowa State, Duke,
Kentucky, etc.. You get the point.Personally, I am happy that Utah
got the invite. It is a good move for Utah, just as going indy is proving to be
a very good move for BYU, and if you disagree, that is fine because really the
only people whose opinions matter on the subject are BYU fans. Which you are
"Me: Your argument loses some of its luster when you consider that the
first school invited to the PAC was Colorado"Cougar in TX,Colorado was/is a BCS member prior to accepting the nod from the PAC 10.
Utah once again takes the crown as being the FIRST non BCS program to be
accepted.All luster, all luster.
I'm just jealous and hateful because I know BYU will go undefeated and win the
BSC title game this year, getting loads and loads of national EXPOSURE along the
way. I'm also more than a little anxious that Jake Heaps will win the Heisman
trophy in his sophomore year! Not to mention that Jimmer is going to
single-handedly win the NCAA tournament!!
Mormon Ute: We won two outright conference championships between 2004 and 2008
both with undefeated seasons and both ending in BCS bowls. We were the first
team to bust the BCS and the first team to do it twice. That's only a few of the
reasons we were invited to join a BCS conference.Me: Your argument
loses some of its luster when you consider that the first school invited to the
PAC was Colorado.
@Howard SIts not silly its FACT. You know whats SILLY is
what the country and ESPN call the original BCS BUSTER... they say the BSU
Broncos not the yewties from the hill.Thats how irrelevant you will
be in the conference of champions
@CG"Nobody throws a parade for finishing #2"Well that isn't exactly true. Most of us wouldn't throw a parade for that but
we only have to go back a couple of years ago in Salt Lake City in January to
find someone that did just that. LOL Not only that they were
actually having a parade for finishing #4.LOL
"What world are you living in to possibly think your [COUGS] could go
undefeated and play for the BCS championship next year."Been
there, done that. Going undefeated and playing for a national championship, that
is.It might not happen in 2011, but BYU's schedule, which is what
the article was all about in the first place, makes it a possibility.If two or three of BYU's opponents finish in the Top 25, a definite
possibility, BYU has a strong enough schedule to be a serious national
championship contender with an undefeated season.Especially with
BYU's new television partner hyping BYU like they have Jimmer.
IF BYU were to run the table as an independent and be in the top 6, I am
confident they would get a BCS invite. I don't think they will run
the table next year, but hypothetically, if they do in the future and were not
be invtied to the BCS, there would be a national outcry from all media outlets
and the BCS would go down in flames.
Re: True BlueYou have got to be kidding!!! What world are you
living in to possibly think your Zoobs could go undefeated and play for the BCS
championship next year.You should be a comic with jokes like that!!
You'll be lucky to be .500 next year.
#1 is better than #2no matter how you spin itNobody
throws a parade for finishing #2...
Again, I don't like to rest on former laurels, but BYU was the original Bowl
Alliance (BCS) buster in 1996. No offence to UU, BSU, UH, the Natti, or TCU,
because the BCS raised the bar and nothing less than an undefeated season would
get you into the BCS. Again, the 6 AQ conferences keep the cash. The Big East and PAC fell behind in revenue to the Big 10 and SEC, so they
invite non-AQ schools to get more revenue. Hence, UU and TCU now get a chair at
the table. Good fortune for both schools. UU also increased its institutional
stature (which was not done for an athletic benefit) and that appealed to the
PAC. I have heard of no such instituational transformation for TCU.
It looked like the Big East needed a strong football program to shore up the
conference.The big 6 schoools find a way to keep the cash always.
BYU knows the path it must trod to get to the BCS-No. 1 or 2.
"National Championships - try 10 for Utah in two different sports."How many have the Utah men won by themselves?Hint: It's less
than 1.Before you start tallying, remember to leave out that bogus
1944 NCAA championship.Winning the 2nd best tournament of the day
doesn't earn you a national championship, especially when most of the country
was busy fighting a world war instead of playing basketball.
Mormon Ute The glaring weakness in your argument about the BCS is
that even within the BCS there is a pecking order of elite teams.Utah could go undefeated, win the PAC 12, and STILL get passed over for the
BCS championship game by a one-loss Ohio State, Alabama, Texas, Nebraska,
Michigan, Florida, LSU, Auburn, Florida State, Miami, Oklahoma, Penn State, or
Notre Dame.If it could happen to undefeated USC in 2003, ranked #1
in both polls, don't for a second think it couldn't happen to Utah.An undefeated or one-loss SEC, Big Ten or Big 12 champion will always be
ranked higher in the final BCS poll than an undefeated PAC 12 champion,
especially if that champion isn't USC.Despite the odds against them,
BYU busted the college football "big boys club" long before it was
called the "BCS".Don't be too surprised if BYU does it
again as an independent. It probably won't happen, but an undefeated
season against Ol' Miss, Texas, Utah, Oregon State, Central Florida, TCU, and
Hawaii would make the Cougars very strong candidates for the BCS championship
game this year.
Look at all of the BYU obsessed Utes salivating at every movement we make.Kind of sad, isn't it?
I don't generally cite successes that happened earlier than 5 years previous.
Why? Well, they have no bearing on what we are doing now. Look, I adore BYU,
but I don't like to cite 1984 when I talk about what a great team we have.
Nobody involved in 1984 is on the field now. Enough. It makes us sound like an
old "has been" waxing nostalgic about the "good old days".
We are not "has beens". It is fun to reminisce, but shall we not move
on? We have good reason to be cautiously optimistic. Nuke 'em, Cougars.
5-There were still comments about BYU being included in the PAC-10? Really?
BYU in the PAC was never and has never been a consideration. BYU does not have
to change to fit into to PAC, nor does the PAC have to change to accept BYU. It
is ok. Both will flourish. 6-Niether ASU or UA have either regretted
going to the PAC-10 for a second even though they have gone to a combined two
Rose Bowls. The Utes will not regret it either, even if they go 7-5.7-The
road to the BCS is harder for BYU, but getting to the BCS was not the reason for
going independent. An ND exception was not expected. A non-AQ top 6 exception
would have been nice and will probably come in the future if BYU makes it to the
Come on Utes.Stop whining.You're in the PAC.
Congrats...But coming on and talking smack just goes to show how
insecure you are with the way your team finished last year, getting blown out in
the Vegas Bowl by a WAC team. Embarassed and exposed on "ESPN
Game-day". Your team dropped from #5 to unranked AP. Your
basketball team has trouble with the last place team in the MWC, and lost to the
bottom team in the WCC.RES and HC are smaller than LES and MC, and
are loaded with empty chairs.All this is going on while BYU has POY
candidate Fredette selling out every game at home and on the road.So
Utah fans come on here, Howard sounding like Eeyore, MUte talking about hanging
banners for Bowl Games, like that's comparable to BYU's NC and National
awards.Impress me. Hang a banner for last years Vegas Bowl at
RES.Utes are invited to the PAC, and it's killing them with jealousy
the reality of "why" the invite, and that BYU once again is coming out
ahead.Time for Ute Fans to curl up like a Hedgehog, and just hide.
Bluto,Just one correction to your comments.National
Championships - try 10 for Utah in two different sports.How about #1
draft picks at BYU? We had two in one year in the two biggest sports.Be careful about saying never. At this point we are in the drivers seat of
the car ahead of BYU for a shot at the National Title in football.Yes, you
draw more fans around the country, but that has nothing to do with your success
and everything to do with the Church.Going independent has more to
do with being able to play all over the country to give those fans a chance to
see you than it does getting a chance at the national title.As far
as big brothers go, remember we were here before you, will be here long after
you and are the only university actually founded by your name sake. We are also
the only university to graduate a couple of prophets. So get off the big
brother wagon, because BYU doesn't have the clout to carry that off.
Re:Anti-BCS:BYU, with a true Freshman QB, played TCU tougher on the road
last season than Utah did at home with their Poinsettia Bowl MVP QB.If I were you, I'd be more worried about how Utah is going to be able to
compete in the PAC 12 when the Utes got torched by two non-AQ teams last season.
BYU didn't even score a TD in that game. Utah can say what
you just said in 2009. Utah played TCU a whole lot closer @TCU than BYU did at
home against TCU. Utah scored 28 points @TCU with their freshman QB, and BYU
scored 7 points @home with their Sr. QB.
Mormon Ute"[Utah] won two outright conference championships
between 2004 and 2008 both with undefeated seasons and both ending in BCS
bowls."And still, the Utes never finished higher than 4th in
the Coaches poll (the official BCS final poll).The reason the Utes
didn't get a sniff at a championship in 2004 is because prior to 2004, the Utes
hadn't done anything of significance since the early 90's. Utah had absolutely
no national cachet entering 2004.The reason the Utes didn't get a
sniff at a championship in 2008 is because the Utes once again did absolutely
NOTHING between 2004 and 2008.BYU 1984, on the other hand, finished
1983, 11-1, ranked #7, on an 11-game winnning streak that included two road wins
over Top 15 teams.By the time BYU played Michigan in the Holiday
Bowl, the Cougars were ranked #1 in both polls and were on a 23-game winning
streak.Utah has never even come close to matching BYU's 6-year
1979-1984 record and Top 25 finishes leading to BYU's 1984 National
Championship.BYU has the cachet to that again as an independent.Much to your chagrin.
Whew! Read the vitriol comments. I guess we really have not gotten past this.
1-BYU's schedule will be a true barometer. If they go 10-2, there
will be no question of the validity of a top 20 status. SOS won't be an issue.
If they go 6-6, it will show how much the Cougs will need to improve to play
with the top tier of the AQ conferences.2-The same can be said for the
Utes in the PAC next year. I wish you the best. The only time I want to see
you lose is against the Cougs. 3-It is interesting that Gary Patterson
stated he did not want to play the Cougs, yet here they are. Patterson is
eating crow and it will be extra motivation. Patterson will have the Frogs
frothing at the mouth. BYU had better strap it on that day.4-Independence
in football is getting BYU exactly what it wanted-exposure. 6-8 nationally
televised games? That is quite a statement.
@BlutoAll that glory and no major conference invite and no BCS bowl
invites. It's like major college football doesn't care what
happened 20 years ago.Weird...
Mormon Ute | 2:49 p.m. Feb. 17, 2011You're right!!! The yewts
should know everything about being exposed by TCU. The season really went south
after that game.
@Howard SYou prove our point...."Even
Bottomfeeders, can once in awhile, break through and play in a BCS game.After all, 10 Teams a year play in the BCS games, including a 4 Loss
U-Conn, a D-2 school just 10 years ago.It's Political,
Einstein...Only One Team is voted Number 1. (rarely two)Things we will never see on the Hill at "Eccles U"(aka U of
U).(1)National Championship (5 Seperate Organizations)(1)Heisman(2)Outlands(7)Sammy Baugh's(4)Davey O'Brian's(1)Doak Walker(7)College Hall of Famers...more to come(16)Consensus All-Americans (60)+ All-Americans(2)NFL MVP's(1)Super Bowl MVP(1)Hall of Fame Coach*65 Thousand fans
attending Home games*Every game Nationally Televised.
(Football and Basketball)*And the biggest name in
Sports.....ESPN.....willing to pay:
"MILLIONS" for your "BRAND".BYU has already
achieved these things. Utah has not, nor will they ever. The U has gone from having One Big Brother(BYU), to now, having
(11) Big Brothers.How is your National TV schedule coming?Make way Washington State, there is a new Bottomfeeder in Town.
Mormon Ute,Well said.
anti BCS,Sorry, can't just sit here while you spew lies about the
Utes. We won two outright conference championships between 2004 and 2008 both
with undefeated seasons and both ending in BCS bowls. We were the first team to
bust the BCS and the first team to do it twice. That's only a few of the
reasons we were invited to join a BCS conference.With one or two
losses we can be an automatic selection in the BCS as long as we win the
conference championship game. With one or two losses BYU has failed to get an
at large selection to the BCS how many times in the past 10 years? I've lost
track. Now, with one or two losses BYU will be lucky to sniff the top 20 let
alone the top 5 it will take to even get the BCS to glance at you.
skywalker,To continue, I sincerely wish BYU has been invited along
with Utah into the PAC-10. By not inviting both schools the PAC-10 tipped their
hand and revealed their true motivation. They don't really care about keeping
natural rivals together anymore. They care about preserving the BCS. They were
under pressure from the other BCS conferences to take us out of the mix to help
calm the rising chorus calling for a national championship. It is the same
reason TCU was invited to the Big East.BYU going independent has
only helped the BCS cause, because it will be infinitely more difficult now for
BYU to get into the BCS mix. Boise State is left in a nuetered conference that
should serve the BCS purposes. As much as I hate playing into the BCS hands, I
have to say we couldn't pass up the chance. Until the NCAA has the guts to
stand up to the conferences that control the BCS, this is the only way we have a
shot at the title.
Sweet! The MWC is not sad to see BYU go, I guess that's a typical
reaction from schools who don't know how they are going to financially make it
without the BYU purse.Maybe instead of being mad at the Cougs, they
should call out the real source of the problem...Craig Thompson.
skywalker,No, it is you who are confused. I have been following
both BYU and Utah since the late 70's. I am well acquainted with the teams, the
players, the records and the history. You must have put your head in the sand
after 1984 not to know why Utah, TCU and Boise have never been able to do what
BYU did. It has nothing to do with winning or losing games and
everything to do with a system designed to keep us out. That same system is
also designed to keep BYU out and was created because of what BYU did in 1984.
The complaints about BYU being declared National Champs in January 1985 were
loudest from the Big 10 schools who had all seen Michigan that year. Those same
schools and their Presidents are some of the most influential in the BCS today.
Right now the only path to the National title is through a BCS conference and
Utah has done what we had to do to get that opportunity.
hedgehogThe reality of Utah being invited to the PAC 12 is the
conference needed two teams to act as fillers so they could play a conference
championship game.The Utes were only invited to help pad the win
totals for the PAC 12 elites. With one or two losses, the Utes will
never be an at-large BCS selection, and winning conference championships is
something the Utes were only able to do about once a decade in the weaker
WAC/MWC conferences.In the PAC 12, the Utes will be lucky to win a
conference championship once every couple of decades.
hedgehog"BYU has nowhere near the talent to compete against the
TCU's of the world."BYU, with a true Freshman QB, played TCU
tougher on the road last season than Utah did at home with their Poinsettia Bowl
MVP QB.If I were you, I'd be more worried about how Utah is going to
be able to compete in the PAC 12 when the Utes got torched by two non-AQ teams
"Yes, we know USC cannot play in the CC or any bowl game next year, but
what was said is after one loss to USC, what will the Utes be playing for. They
could just as easily said "after one loss to UW or ASU,"Xpat,I know you're stuck in the Non AQ mind set but the reality of
being invited to a BCS conference means you don't have to win out to go to a BCS
bowl game.Outside of USC, I don't see any Souther Division team
going undefeated. Infact I see even 3 or 4 loses can get you to the title
game..... Utes have a lot to play for throught the ENTIRE season.Can
the tds say that?
When just the announcement stirs this much interest, I'd say reality looks
pretty good for BYU!Side note, I live in SE Washington, don't have
the bucks to jet set, but within hours of learning the schedule, I had a car
load of commits to drive 6 hours one way to see BYU @ Oregon State (although one
of them IS a beaver) and even the trip to Pocatello in winter is a no brainer.
BYU football is now way more available than ever before, which
apparently ticks some of you off beyond reason, but leaves us giddy with
anticipation. I think some of you have been pushed past the edge of
reason. "BYU is nuts for scheduling games it wil probably lose (like
Oklahoma)". "BYU is nuts for scheduling WAC patsies (like Utah
State)"Crazy all the way to the bank, and in my back yard. I
can live with that!
This will be the biggest game ever in that stadium.
Re: CocoNutzzWashington State won the PAC10 in 2002 and played in
the Jan 1, 2003 Rose Bowl. Look it up.BYU had no bowl game in 2002
after losing to Utah.Also look up that Utah is 11/9 over BYU in the
last 20 games and 6/4 over BYU in the last 10.Also look up that Utah
has 2 BCS bowl victories while BYU has yet to be invited to a singe BCS game.Utah not in the discussion with BYU?Don't be silly.Oh, and scoreboard...
So did BYU hose La. Tech or is the game scheduled for @ La. Tech just being
rescheduled for a later year?
Re: skywalkerIf WAC/MWC conference championships were so important
to BYU why would they abandon that fabulous glory for independence?
BYU has nowhere near the talent to compete against the TCU's of the world.Somehow beating a 6-6 SWAC team in the NM bowl ( which no one watched)
has given the tds trolls a sense of false bravado.What is going to
be painfully obvious in the coming years is just how big of talent gap there is
between BYU and its BCS competition.
I don't know why we scheduled this game, last few years have been really
ugly:31-3, 38-7, 32-7.Yes they did lose Dalton, but does it matter
when we can't score on TCU?
Howard S.In 1979, Arizona convinced Arizona State to bolt to the PAC
10 with them.As of today, Arizona and Arizona State, COMBINED, have
played in two Rose Bowls, both of them by the Sun Devils.The Utes
have only won 6 WAC/MWC conference championships in the last 50 years.Winning conference championships is not something the Utes do very often.So, you may want to hold off on buying your Rose Bowl tickets for a
little while because it could be two or three decades before the Utes get there.
Mormon UteYou're confused.Beating #1 doesn't win you a
national championship.BEING #1 wins you a national championship!If you really want to know how BYU finished #1 in 1984, see 1983.If you really want to know why Utah didn't finish #1 in 2004 or 2008,
see 2003 and 2007.
@Howard sYeah that 2002 rose bowl game was really fun to watch.
Washington st. was at home enjoying the game as well with the Hurricanes playing
Nebraska.Stop posting lies just like how the yewts think they
compare or even remotely in the conversation of BYU athletics. You never will
impact sports as how BYU has done for decades. Keep the hating and the jealousy
because that's all you will ever have as a yewt fan.
Howard S.Unlike some who like to pretend that college football
history began in 2004, BYU has hundreds of thousands of fans who
experienced BYU's incredible 1984 season, from opening kickoff of
the first nationally televised college football game ever played on ESPN to the wire services breaking the news that BYU had been voted #1 in
every poll.Thousands of BYU fans, like me, were at the Miracle Bowl,
when BYU won its first bowl game in miraculous fashion; were at the
Holiday Bowl, when Steve Young caught the winning touchdown pass; and were at the National Championship game, when Robbie Bosco, on a leg he
could barely stand on, lead BYU to the go ahead touchdown that clinched BYU's
first major college football National Championship.The memory is
just as bright and clear today as it was in January 1985 when we first learned
that BYU had been selected concensus National Champions!There's
nothing better than finishing #1.
Interesting about the comments of 'Good Luck since it is a home game for
TCU.'I was at the BYU/Oklahoma game. Looking at the sea of red
there, it was a home game for the Sooners. We know what happened there.I'd have to say all the doubters about the difficulty of scheduling can go
back to their corners now. Texas, Mississippi, TCU, Utah, Hawaii, Oregon State
... not too shabby. And 2011 was supposed to be the difficult year to schedule.
Looks like the plan will work just fine. Not only that, but 7 home games, 4 road
games, and 1 neutral. Awesome!!
Its a lovely day for Gary Patterson to be seen eating his words... again.
uteBusters - "...experienced the absolute pinnacle of major
college football..."Like a distant memory I'm surprised anyone
can remember.But perhaps your Daddy told you all about it.
uteBusters,Going into the PAC-12 gives us a better shot at it than
BYU being independent. For the record, the Alabama team we beat in 2008 was
ranked 3rd when we beat them. What was Michigan ranked in 84? Oh, that's
right, they weren't ranked. You can't fault the Utes for a system we have no
control over that prevents us from doing what you did. All you have to do is
compare the caliber of teams we beat going undefeated with the caliber of teams
BYU beat in 1984 and that tells the story. Stand on that 84 title all you want,
but I'll take the team we've got and the conference we're going into any day.
CordonBleuI love it when BYU supporters point to Washington State a
bottom feeder of the PAC 10.Fact: In 2002 when BYU struggled with a
5-7 record in the MWC Washington State was in the Rose Bowl...You
know... the BCS Rose Bowl.Maybe you wouldn't know... whenever the
Cougars go the a BCS game they have to buy tickets.
Mormon UteUtah fans like to spin their BCS propaganda, but the BCS
didn't prevent the Utes from winning a title in 2004 or 2008.USC won
the AP National Championship in 2003 without playing in the BCS championship
gameSo you'll have to find another excuse. The Utes just
weren't good enough to be voted #1 in any poll.In fact, in the
Coaches Poll, the poll that officially crowns the BCS champion #1, the Utes have
never finished higher than #4!
Mormon Ute Just a reminder to you Utah fans that the Cougars have
already done what the Utes can only dream of doing:Win a National
Championship!Win a Heisman Trophy!BCS games are fun, but until
you've experienced the absolute pinnacle of major college football, you'll never
fully appreciate the chasm between finishing #2 and finishing #1.
Howard S.How do you like all of those road PAC 12 games Utah has
scheduled?You do know Utah hasn't had a road win over a PAC 10 team
with a winning record since 1996, don't you?2009 at Oregon 17-242007 at Oregon St 7-242006 at UCLA 10-312002 at Arizona 17-232001 at Oregon 10-242000 at Cal 21-241997 at Oregon 13-311996 at Stanford 17-10oooops!Utah seldom wins road
games against good teams, especially ranked teams.But, I guess the
Utes won't have to worry about any of those in the "conference of
champions" will U?double oooops!At least you'll
have your new "rival" to console U in your grief.Washington State is going to enjoy the company!Meanwhile, when you
see highlights of Heaps' big games on ESPN, be sure to turn them off quickly. We
wouldn't want you getting too depressed.
Glad to hear BYU was able to get a deal done to play TCU. This rounds out the
schedule very nicely for year number 1 as an independent. Looking forward to the
upcoming season, I hope BYU gets revenge on TCU. Im glad they play a good
variety of teams from a number of different conferences, should make for a fun
and exciting season.
Just a reminder to you Cougar fans that the Utes have already done what you hope
to do. We've busted the BCS twice and were the first team to do it. We've
twice done what you did back in 1984, but thanks to the BCS didn't have a shot
at the title. So, we know what it takes to get there and I for one wish you
luck (as I already said). You will need some luck, just as the Utes did.
Re: fresnogirl "Greg Wrubell does a nice job and all
..."I know what you mean about Wrubell.I especially
liked his call of the video replay in the Utah game."No...
that's not possible..."That was great.
Go to Bleach Reports and read a great article on BYU and independence.Go
Some of you are calling this a home game for TCU. As a Cougar Fan who lives in
Texas, I will guarantee you that at least 1/2 the fans will be for BYU. When we
play OU in Jerry's house, almost 1/2 the fans were BYU.The series is
tied at 5 games a piece. I'm picking the Cougs in this one.BYU was
very smart in scheduling these two games in Texas next year. This will open
some recruiting doors to them.Go Cougs!
Re: deductive reasoningScared?I love all these games
scheduled in the central and eastern time zones.BYU has winning
percentage of about 30% back east.I think it's the Cougars who
should be scared.
Howard S. "I love it that BYU is independent. I especially love
it that they are a non AQ independent.In a few years, and even starting
next year you'll see why."Yes, we will. I'm glad to hear that
you are excited to SEE their games on TV too. Greg Wrubell does a nice job and
all ... but it's not the same.
Gonna be a great year!
What's painfully obvious is the trolls are scared to death of how successful
independence could be for BYU and deep down they're extrememly jealous because
they know this something Utah could never do.
Permit me to play the part of Hedgehog's math tutor:Fixed
factors: - Program foundation - ESPN contract - Core fan
base - Big-time games already scheduled - Current bowl
affiliationsVariable factors: - On-field success -
national TV ratings - Future big-time games to be scheduledOutputs: - Recruiting success - Financial success - Bowl
success (including potential BCS)The sum of all the outputs is BYU's
level of EXPOSURE - a winning program with all its games nationally televised
should logically have a high level of success in all three areas mentioned.The greater the variable factors, the greater the outputs. And one big
fixed factor that's been eliminated: MWC affiliation, which negatively outweighs
the variable factors, putting a cap on the output, thus EXPOSURE. Even a 7-6
BYU team in this new model gains more EXPOSURE by far than a 7-6 team toiling in
the obscurity of MWC.But perhaps that's way over your head, so I'll
answer the question differently: BYU plays to win. And for the past 40 years,
they've done that waaaaay more often than not, and there's no reason to expect
that not to continue.
@ DutchmanThanks for playing, but as with most of your premises you
are totally wrong. Over many years as a Cougar fan, I have been privileged to
attend games at each of those venues (although game at Superdome was not Sugar
Bowl) and many, many more.BYU games at Wisconsin, Naval Academy, Boston
College at Meadowlands, Cotton Bowl vs Kansas State, Florida State, OU at
Cowboys Stadium, UCLA at Rose Bowl, USC at Coliseum, Washington, Holiday Bowl in
SanDiego, Arizona, Arizona State, etc., etc.From my first BYU away
game at UW-Madison, I have always been amazed at the sheer number of Cougar fans
in attendance. While Utah managed an estimated 5,000-6,000 fans at your beatdown
in South Bend last season, both BYU-Notre Dame games I have attended in South
Bend has averaged 14,000-16,000 BYU fans in attendance. BYU has sold out it
allotment of visiting tickets in almost every game that I have attended. Many
local BYU fans resort to buying tickets from the host school ticket offices.Imagine only having 12,500 Utah fans at the most important game in their
history. Shameful. This is not a new phenomena.
You know these Ute fans just might be right about their chances in the PAC-10.2
for a championship... if they had a QB! (sniff, sniff)This TCU game
is just more proof of how relevant this independent BYU program is.
Re; fresnogirl-You must be talking about someone else.I
was begging for BYU to go independent. I love it that BYU is
independent. I especially love it that they are a non AQ independent.In a few years, and even starting next year you'll see why.
Wedgie;What are they playing for!?! Grammar aside, they play for
the love of the game...we play for the love of the game.
williaryYou care enough to read the article and write comments....
Meanwhile, mine was the only comment on the Ute board regarding last night's
(then upcoming) bball game for hours and hours. Seems like the team you don't
really care about is your own. Too bad. They could really use your support.
I think it's funny to read the predictions of Howard etc ... the same guys who
predicted that Holmoe would be fired for going Independent, that ESPN would have
no interest in being our partner, that no one would want to schedule an
Independent BYU.How do those sour grapes taste?
I find most of the comments funny but I have to respond to one, Dutchman, I
wouldn't bring up the Sugar Bowl for Ute attendance. Official figures were
12,500 tickets sold. That's a good number but you also realize you had to give
back 5,000 tickets that didn't sell. The biggest game in the history of Utah
football and you had to sell tickets back. Contrast that to BYU vs OU in Dallas.
A game BYU was supposed to get creamed in and they sold out of their 17,500
tickets. And most of those tickets were distributed by lottery because the
demand was so high. Utah doesn't travel. I went to the Utah vs OU game a couple
years ago and very underwhelmed by the Utes in attendance. Washington State road
fans triples that of Utah. I'll also be at the BYU vs Oregon State game this
year and the stadium will be 1/4 or more BYU fans.
Dropping LA Tech and grabbing this game with TCU is a great move by the Y. I would caution Y fans predicting a "one-sided" win just
because TCU loses a few seniors. Coach Patterson can still coach with the best
of them.Should be a great game. Gotta love college football.September can't get here fast enough...
I hope BYU fans show up. I went to the BYU vs. Oklahoma game (which was
fantastic of course) - I would say only 5-10% of the fans were BYU fans. Yes, it
was basically a home game for Oklahoma, but BYU athletics is going to really
need to get the word out if we don't want to see an empty stadium. Another tough
one is that BYU is already playing in Texas (Austin) this season.Lucky Texan BYU alumni. They get all the fun.
Alpine Coug,"Has there ever been a Utah away game with more
than a handful of Ute fans in the seats?"I-15 construction
keeping you locked up in Utah County? Ever hear of the Sugar Bowl, Fiesta Bowl,
Notre Dame at South Bend to mention a few. I attended all of them and more
along with many thousands and thousands of red clad Ute fans. Please take the
opportunity to get out more.
Again I askWhat are the tds playing for???
Our dear friend, Mr. "hedgehog:"You ask, "What
exactly are the tds playing for?"Exposure - E X P O S U R
E...Everyone knows this, it's been well documented in the dozens of
articles in this newspaper on which you invariably comment, in the SL Trib, on
ESPN and other national sports media outlets - and if you still don't get that,
perhaps your remedial math tutor can explain it to you (or the typical 6th
grader, take your pick).
williarySorry, you couldn't be more wrong. There's a large segment
of Utah's fan base that is totally obsessed with BYU. In fact, they wouldn't
even be Utah fans if it wasn't for the BYU-Utah rivalry.See mirror
for who I'm talking about.
Nothing more than cannon fodder for the elite programs.What exactly
are the tds playing for??? It's a forgone conclusion that the tds
will be playing in the Kraft Hungry man bowl from now until eternity.The BCS is laughing at Kewgs. Never will they EVER again have the chance to
crash the party.Well played BCS, well played indeed.
Texas Stadium again ! The frogs will be graduating almost every single starter,
the cougars only losing one it could be a one sided affair. There are fun times
ahead !Bring on the " Independent Season " this is going
to be a blast !
One other thing. If BYU beat nationally prominent teams at home, all we would
hear is "Yeah, but until they beat them on the road..." So now BYU has
the opportunity to beat nationally prominent teams on the road. What happens if
BYU wins? "Oh, well... umm, they were having a down year." Gotta love
it. The only way BYU gets any respect is if they have a crystal ball, schedule
the top 12 teams every year, play them at home, but beat them on the road.
Physically impossible. Defies all reason and logic, but absolutely necessary to
get any respect, because... you're BYU. Oh well. At least their fans get to see
the games now, and they get to keep their revenue.
I am under no delusions that BYU will run the table next year, or any time soon
or that WAC teams are quality opponents. But the fact that they will be playing
Texas, Ole Miss, Oregon State, and TCU all in the same year is so much better
than watching them play one or two nationally prominent teams plus a bunch of
MWC teams. Yes, they will probably lose a bunch of games, but it will be so much
more fun to watch. Just think, they play Texas and Idaho State in the same year!
Now that's entertainment.
@willary:The Utes have always had only one game on their schedule...
"Independent""After the first loss, at USC, what is
Utah playing for?"Surely by now you've realized you're
attacking the wrong guy? I'll forgive you for the oversight.
"if they go 12-1 or 7-6 they still go to that fight hunger bowl)"This is a great point. What exactly are the tds playing for?Those home games against WAC dormates are going to be a real snooze."After the first loss, at USC, what is Utah playing for?"Tru blew,You do realize USC can't play in the title game...right?
Utah has a more the legit chance of getting to the CC game.... and the just
kills the kewgs..LOL!
DutchmanBYU's "filler" games on ESPN will be more watched,
better attended and produce more revenue than any game Utah plays in the PAC 12
next season.As far as the PAC 12's cadre of bowl games, there's a
good chance that a team that can't win road games against PAC 10 opponents won't
even qualify for a bowl game.
Ain't it a great time to be a Cougar!!You can bet that Jerry Jones
is not counting on TCU to bring a lot of fans-who are a lot like Utah fans who
just don't show up if they are losing. Even this amazing Rose Bowl year, TCU
fans could not fill Jerry World against Oregon State where the stands were only
about 2/3 full. With the departure of Andy Dalton we can expect that the Horned
Frogs will be down a bit and being the fair weather fans they are, we can expect
that there will be far more BYU fans in the stands than TCU fans on October
28th.Been to two different BYU @ TCU games at Amon Carter stadium
over the years and both times found the stands at least 1/3 full of Cougar
faithful. You can rest assured that Saturday's 'sell-out' in Fort Worth against
Jimmer and the boys will be driven by BYU fans buying tickets.This
my dear Utah friends is the attraction of scheduling BYU. Fans everywhere!
Has there ever been a Utah away game with more than a handful of Ute fans in the
Uh williary seeing as though you just read an article about BYU's football
scheduling, then read the entire comment section of the article, then went ahead
and posted in the comment section, I would have to say your assertions are less
than convincing. Actually I would have to say they are hilarious. If
you truly don't care then we will never hear from you again as you have moved on
and will never read another BYU artucle right? We both know that isn't going to
be the case.Silly foolish ute "fan".LOL
The utes playing the Cougars on national television. That will be the only
national exposure they get next year. Thanks Cougs!
Excuse me for posting the same message twice, but it seems like a good idea
since the Yewet fan seem to be struggling with schedules...John
Valentonic of the Bleacher Report ranked the 25 worst BCS teams for 2011No. 24.
Cal, No. 23 Univ of Washington, No. 19 Univ of Arizona, No. 16 Oregon State,
No. 12 Colorado, No. 9 UCLA, No. 5 Washington State. In other words, 7 of
the worst BCS football teams are in the PAC-12, all are scheduled to play the u.
Can you say the Conference of Cupcakes!I still believe the u can
play for the conference championship in 2011. They have one OOC game and two
conference games that will be football. BYU, USC and the UO...all other games
should be a give me. Nice scheduling...and a good year to be moving to the
mt. olympus;Who are you trying to convince and of what? It just sounds
like jealous ranting and raving. Playing 6 WAC teams? They will have the
toughest SOS of all Division 1 teams in Utah. TCU doesn't have to provide a
return trip? This is about getting chosen for a nationally televised game
because they are a nationally relevant team/school and the organizers wanted the
biggest name / draw they could get. After their first loss they will no longer
be playing for a national championship. Who is? Even BCS Schools have gone
undefeated and NOT gotten into the NC game. It is a mythical championship anyway
and will be until there is a playoff. Ute fans should be well aware of this.
BYU has some great games and a solid schedule this fall and it will only get
better next year. They are getting exactly what they want and how they want it.
Play good teams on national tv in places where many BYU fans(this is all over
the country by the way)can see them live. What is your issue with that?
Tough schedule. Some of the "big" teams should be down a little. If
BYU gets a few bounces, could be a historic year and a great kickoff to
independence. Go Cougs.
Truth is...rocky long would kill to play us too! Sorry rocky, we don't need
@williary:they've all moved on, except you. A good spokesman for the
University of Utah, you are.
Whoa Gary Paterson. What is this. You said you would never play BYU again. I
guess the University President told Gary if he wants that big fat paycheck they
are paying him he will play BYU in this game because of the big fat payoff.
Good ole hypocrisy is alive and well at TCU.This will indeed be an
FYI to all the Cougar fans on here. Utah fans no longer care about BYU, it's
true. Outside of trying to get a reaction from BYU fans, Utah fans could care
less. You guys need to learn to deal with the trolls who want nothing but to
get you going. BYU is now just a team on Utah's OOC schedule, that's it. We
could care less what happens to BYU. In fact, if it wasn't for sharing a media
market and having to hear about the Cougars on occasion, the term BYU would be
wiped from the Univerisity of Utah dictionary. Just go about your
day and let the trolls be. They are not Utah fans.This is an
article about BYU football, quit bringing Utah up in the discussion. They've
moved on, so should you.
"BYU still has to go undefeated to get into a BCS game,"Who says?If they go 11-1 some year and lose to an undefeated
Texas, for example, who is to say they won't be ranked top ten and get into a
BCS game? Many years even if they don't get into a BCS game BYU
could still be one of the top earners in the country with their independent deal
and their own network. The $ and exposure will keep them a perennial top 25
team -- as they have been for four decades.
May the recruitment battle begin! This whole schedule is so exciting. LDS
athletes all over the country will be seeing BYU in their own backyard over the
next few years. To be able to play on ESPN in almost every game will surely get
recruits to be more serious about playing at BYU. Two games in Texas, also in
Mississippi and Hawai'i...how awesome is this??!!Let's just drop the
USU's off the list and we'll have a killer schedule!
All you BYU fans who try to jab at us Utes for commenting on stories about your
team are funny. We see just as many of you commenting on stories about our
team. It's a natural part of the rivalry and happens everywhere. No shame in
it at all.I was sincere in wishing you luck. I really do think you
will need it to beat TCU. Especially with their home crowd on hand. You're
playing a program at it's peak having just completed an undefeated season
including winning one of the top 5 bowl games in the country with the best
defense in the country. And you've got a completely revamped coaching staff
with an offense that struggled most of last season. I will be pulling for you,
but it could get ugly.
This is great news! With the addition of TCU that makes BYU's
football schedule loaded with 5 BCS conference teams. Notre Dame regularly has
games against no more than 7 BCS conference opponents. So give it a couple years
and BYU will get the same deal as ND as far as being an AQ as long as they are
ranked in the top 8. And those who think BYU will be playing for
nothing with 1 loss need to check out the schedule. With such a strong schedule
a 1 loss BYU team could easily still go BCS bowling. (Depending on who the loss
is to)This is about as good as you can ask for only six months after
the announcement to go Indy. Things are falling into place for a
great future in BYU football! Cant wait!
Ya gotta admit, Pac-12 was a sweet deal for the Utes... But,
independance for BYU is just getting better. (How much of this deal does BYU
need to split with the conference again?)In-state sports are just
getting to the fun stage. Now, if the NCAA-Gods will look out for
True Blue,"After the first loss, at USC, what is Utah playing
for?"A whole cadre of top bowl games that I won't bother to
list here but they are all significantly better than that bowl game BYU has
signed on to. By the way, USC can't play in the PAC 12 championship game in
2011 so Utah can play for a conference title. What conference is BYU in again?
Oh yea, independent in football providing filler games for ESPN and other sports
in the WCC that has a current basketball RPI of # 14. Those are steps in the
Yeah yeah yeah. Everybody wants a shot at the national championship. Until we
see playoffs, it's just a big scam anyway. So forget about it. What's wrong with
just watching some good, entertaining football? So, c'mon over. Grab some chips
and a soda, sit on my couch in front of the big screen and shut up about
"independent this and Pac 12 that". Just watch the game! Geesh!
IndependentDon't be fooled; even the haters will be watching. They're so obsessed with all-things BYU that they couldn't stop
themselves from watching even if they wanted to.
Ah yes! The jealousy oozing from the home of our little brothers on the hill is
I love it. BYU goes independent. Who will play you? Umm, lots of teams will play
us. Okay, but you don't have any bowl tie-ins. Bowl tie-ins announced. But
they're crumby bowls, and all your good games are on the road? And? You mean the
same bowl tie-ins that the PAC-12 has? What will they say next? Sure, BYU has a
ways to go with scheduling good teams at home and getting some better bowl
tie-ins, but this is a far cry from the doom and gloom scenario presented to us
by the naysayers who said that BYU would never be able to play in a bowl and
nobody would play them. BYU still has to go undefeated to get into a BCS game,
only now you can see their games on TV. How is this any worse than what they had
before? Seriously, what's with all the negativity? BYU Football has a bright
Howard S.Get used to what?Winning big games on national
television in state of the art football stadiums?I'm sure BYU fans
will enjoy getting used to that!
"October 28th, one of those ESPN schedule fillers for a Friday night. Won't
be many people watching."Who cares? I can watch. Which is
infinitely better than the game being carried on The Mtn., which I do not get.
The new agreements, Ga. Tech, Texas, Oregon State etc. are all Home and Home.The only exceptions to this rule is Notre Dame, first 2 at South Bend,
the last 4 are Home and Home, two here two there.Texas IS a home and
home, the 1st game was a one a done game, scheduled before BYU declared
Independence, seperate contracts.BYU fans are Patient and know the
schedule will take a few years to beef up. Now rest your little
heads Ute fans. You just go and see if you can manage to get one or
two games on Fox regional. Your competition is not BYU anymore,
their future is secure, your "kin-program" and equal, is another group
of Cougars, from the land of Pullman.BYU will work it out and with
ESPN at their backs we look forward to decades of playing great teams, with Home
and Home series, Storied Programs, all over this Country and in Provo..On a given Saturday, this Wasatch Front could have a BYU-Notre Dame...Texas...
matchup and 40 miles up the road a Utah-USC..Oregon etc.Aside from
partisan rooting sections, that is still pretty Kool.
Mount Olympus, who cares? What was BYU playing for after one loss
last season? A MWC championship and the Las Vegas Bowl? Big deal. Sure, independence has its flaws, and they have to play a lot of road games
against good opponents, but it beats the flaws of the MWC and a lousy TV
contract any day. At least they are free to play more good teams on the road. In
the MWC, they couldn't even do that. And no BYU fan is going to be broken up
about playing in the Kraft Fight Hunger Bowl when they could have been playing
in the Las Vegas Bowl. In the grand scheme of things, the difference is very
little. They will be equally disappointed that their team didn't make it to a
BCS bowl whether or not they are playing in Las Vegas or San Francisco. My point
is, BYU is not going to have trouble filling their schedule. If they have to
play most of the good teams on the road at first, so be it. At least BYU fans
will get to see the games on TV.
October 28 is a nice date for this game. BYU's schedule was front-loaded so
that nobody except die-hard WAC fans would watch after September. This will be
BYU's last good national look, before people start focusing on conference races
and title games.
@Mormon Ute, H-dog, etal:Things are looking up. Thank
you for all your interest and support. You are some of the greatest BYU fans,
Mt OlySix WAC teams for next season is an aberration. The true advantage of independence will become clearer when ESPN starts
pulling the strings to schedule big name programs from across the country to
play in LES.Snicker all you want now, but negotiations are already
happening behind the scenes.
Sounds like a one and done against a soon to be BCS team in their backyard. Get
used to this Cougs.
IndependentAfter the first loss, at USC, what is Utah playing
for?The Utes will be hopelessly out of the division race with no
chance of playing in the PAC 12 championship.
BYU will replace the Lousiana....(Tech..A&M..State, NorthWest-Quadrant
??, or whoever) with the TCU game.Still just 12 games.Nice upgrade.Now, Holmoe needs to swap the San Jose St. game for
the first Bye later in the season.Not too bad for the first year.
The power of ESPN is evident here.That's Three games already
scheduled for National TV on ESPN's family of Networks.And we have
not even talked about the Ole Miss, Texas, Oregon St. Hawaii or Utah games.BYU could be looking at up to 6-8 Nationally televised games on just
ESPN's Family of Networks, with all others on National BYU-TV.Also,
all ESPN games can be Re-broadcast, same day, and beyond, on National and
Inter-National BYU-TV.Again, ESPN3.com, ESPN-U and ESPN Game Ticket,
games, can be simulcast live on BYU-TV.Oh yea this Independence
thing really stinksNot!Notre Dame games were once repeated on Sunday
Mornings by NBC. The power of Access and Exposure cannot be lost on Recruits and
Fans.Utah? How is your TV schedule looking for next year?Seen
Washington State lately?
Mt. Olympus"Patterson was right. Had BYU stayed in the MWC,
they'd be hosting Utah, TCU, and Boise this year..."on The Mtn!
ughInstead, BYU's games with Utah and TCU will be televised
nationally on ESPN.As will all of BYU's home games and most of BYU's
road games for the next 8 years.
ESPN reported that this game will replace the Louisiana Tech game that they had
scheduled for Nov. 5th, that should go a long way for SOS.
Mormon Ute A home game for TCU in proximity, but I wouldn't be a bit
surprised to see more BYU fans than TCU fans, similar to BYU's game at TCU this
Saturday, only in a neutral arena.Weak home schedule for BYU, with
the exception Utah and an interesting Utah State matchup, but a dynamite road
schedule.In a couple of years, that will even out as Holmoe has more
time to negotiate future schedules.
October 28th, one of those ESPN schedule fillers for a Friday night. Won't be
many people watching. Friday night is for high school football especially in
Texas. And I thought BYU did all this for exposure. I guess TCU can get a few
recruits to the game. I don't believe BYU recruits Texas anymore since the
I stand corrected. 12 games, as this one replaces Louisiana Tech. So in other
words, BYU had more teams willing to play them in their first year of
independence than they could handle. Doesn't sound like scheduling will be a
problem in independence. Next complaint?
Re: IndependentPatterson was right. Had BYU stayed in the MWC,
they'd be hosting Utah, TCU, and Boise this year.Instead they just get
Utah.Patterson now gets to play BYU, without having to make a return
trip to Provo.Independence has shown that BYU can play some good
teams on the road, but they also have 6 WAC teams. To get a good team to play
in Provo, they have to play 2 road games to get 1 game in Provo. Also have a
poor bowl tie-in.After the first loss, what is BYU playing for? Not
a conf championship, not for a bowl, they already have signed with that fight
hunger bowl (if they go 12-1 or 7-6 they still go to that fight hunger bowl).Should have stayed 1 more year in MWC, hosted Utah, TCU, and Boise, and
prepped for independence when TCU leaves the MWC. Then the first year they
might not be playing 6 WAC teams.
Good luck BYU. You'll need it against TCU. Keep in mind, this is basically a
home game for TCU. I'm sure that had something to do with their decision to
play the game.The Cougs will get plenty of EXPOSURE all right. Gary
Patterson knows how to EXPOSE every weakness in an opponent.
From a Utah guy, congrats Cougs! Maybe independence is the best road after all!
At least for scheduling games. It may be a 6-6 season, but at least your
strength of schedule won't be lacking! Also, I like that the poster above
actually mentioned Utah as a "significant" part of the Y's schedule.
See, we can all play nice if we try!
If BYU wins....glory hallelujah.If BYU loses....glory hallelujah.Bring it on!
Everyone wants to play the Cougars because we are so good.
I seem to remember folks telling BYU something along the lines of "good
luck scheduling anybody."13 games, including Texas, TCU, Oregon
State, Utah, UCF, and Ole Miss, in the first year doesn't look too bad. In fact,
it looks better than any BYU schedule I can remember.
Good idea for the Cougs. I'd love to get a shot at TCU this year with them
losing what they are losing, especially starting over at the QB spot with zero
experience. Next year is the time to get the Frogs. Good timing by BYU on that
So Gary Patterson is on record saying he has no interest in playing BYU again, I
wonder if Rocky Long would change his moral stance too if invited to play on
ESPN game in Jerry's World...
Announced on ESPN.com about 1.5 hours ago...about time it hit DN!Go
Jerry Jones likes to have the BYU fans filling up his stadium.BYU
has a significant schedule next year...@ Ole Miss@ Texasvs
TCU@ Oregon ST@ HawaiiUtah
Another big money, big exposure game on the schedule. This is excellent.