Utah lawmakers report threats over immigration law

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  • Dan Walters La Quinta, CA
    Feb. 18, 2011 8:01 a.m.

    As illegal immigrants from south of our border and other areas continue to rapidly colonize the southwest for their own purpose, I wonder how people will feel in not to many years from now as they look back at this period. Those who could have spoke up but have muted their voices because they fear crossing the political correctness line will be hard pressed to complain about higher taxes and increasing crime. What about those who will be displaced by illegal immigrants from their jobs and neighborhoods? Will they see the change as progress or regret their silence and inaction? We don't have to just sit and take this unlawful change. It is not wrong or immoral to enforce our laws and protect our borders. As an American it's your privilege and your duty. Tolerance is not complacency.

  • dave4197 Redding, CA
    Feb. 17, 2011 12:45 p.m.

    rb in murray. by the way I also have a home in Salt Lake City, so I think we're neighbors... last time I looked, California is still part of the USA, same as Utah, so you don't need to dis me, along with others you like to dis, because of some border on a map.

    You speak as if the current law will not be changed, start reading the news, pal. The existing law will be changed, and it will be towards an easier path for legal immigration, fact. Bush tried. Obama and McCain campaigned, and prior to that worked in the Senate, for different versions of changing the immigration law. All towards making legal immigration easier.

    My points in this post, and others, is that the law is unworkable, the law is grieviously wrong, and that the poor people from Mexico deserve our help not our gov't's boot on their neck. There are other, better solutions to this problem than the present bad one. I'm not on the side of the status quo. Sandstrom is wrong, wrong, wrong, don't follow him.

  • Jazz Bass Man Wellsville, Utah
    Feb. 17, 2011 11:25 a.m.

    No surprise here, just the illegals and the radicals from LA RAZA (the race) showing their true colors. They want to "take back" this land for mexico, and send the rest of us packing.

  • RichardB Murray, UT
    Feb. 17, 2011 7:23 a.m.

    Welcome to California.

    dave4197, the current immigration laws were written in 1996. We don't need new laws, we need people who will stop breaking them. The laws are not broken, they are being broken.

    If, by some miracle the guest worker program goes through, it will be tied up in court for decades, not to mention bring protesters from all over the country. You can't give away American jobs in this country, it's unconstitutional.

  • dave4197 Redding, CA
    Feb. 16, 2011 4:40 p.m.

    so, 2bits and other rule of law ranters, you gonna support the new law? that makes them your resident neighbors? I will. waitin' fer yer opinion...

    The rule of law rant, when applied mindlessly, and when applied to this bad law, is unAmerican, period. The present immigration law / policy needs change, and the change will be to allow easier immigration. Tune up your tolerance folks, change is on the way.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Feb. 16, 2011 3:46 p.m.

    The best lesson the illegal_immigrant community and their supporters could learn to help them assimilating better into American society is... Understand that the place you are going to is VERY sensitive to being subject to the "RULE_OF_LAW".

    Hint... That's probably one of the biggest reasons you want to GO THERE!

    So how does breaking_the_law to get there... and breaking_the_law again every day you STAY there illegally... show that you are the made of the right_stuff to fit in... in this culture that highly values people policing THEMSELVES and fully accepting_in_their_core that they are subject to the law.... And that NO_ONE... NOT_EVEN_YOU... is so special they are not subject to the rule_of_law?

    It doesn't matter what the laws in Mexico are, or what the expectations in Mexico are (where laws are more like suggestions, and paying the police is as good as obeying the law, or you gotta do what you gotta do to survive).

    When people come here thinking that THEIR struggle trumps the law... or that obedience to the rule_of_law is OPTIONAL (based on situational ethics)... you are on a collision_course with_the very culture you are asking to accept and embrace you!

  • tenx Santa Clara, UT
    Feb. 16, 2011 1:19 p.m.

    It is not surprising that this would now happen. The pro-illegal crowd has been in the streets waving Mexican flags demanding their rights, putting Mexican flags up on the flag pole above a UPSIDE down American flag, booing the American soccer team when they played Mexico in the Coliseum in Los Angeles and the list goes on. I support both of these Representatives in their efforts to stop this nonsense. We need to deport illegals and enforce our immigration laws. Viva LEGAL immigration.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Feb. 16, 2011 12:30 p.m.

    Still Jim | 12:19 p.m.

    If you think this bill allows law enforcement to go out and harass Hispanics (giving them some police power they don't already have).... You are either totally in the dark or hyped up on propaganda. READ THE BILL before commenting next time!

  • Still Jim Bountiful, UT
    Feb. 16, 2011 12:19 p.m.

    It would appear that someone is crying wolf. We cannot be sure. From personal experience I know that the police are trying to make it difficult for hispanics, legal or otherwise. What will happen if legislation is passed allowing them to go out and openly harass? This does not sound like a time we should be attemptin to allow such a thing to happen.

  • maidenwings WestValleyCity, Utah
    Feb. 16, 2011 11:24 a.m.

    no one knows who sent the threats or do you?
    thats a slap in someone else to the innocent face!

    So lets just hope it stops and they find out who ever is doing this?

    Nothing but lowlife stew of hate and terror

  • JohnJacobJingleHeimerSchmidt Beverly Hills, CA
    Feb. 16, 2011 10:52 a.m.

    I wouldn't be surprised if these lawmakers paid people to call and mail these "threats" just to sensationalize and vilify the opposition.

  • dave4197 Redding, CA
    Feb. 16, 2011 9:52 a.m.

    Of course threats against lawmakers are out of order. But this law, and its maker, promote using the gov't's boot to step on the necks of one race, of a group of poor people, of our friends and neighbors from south of the border. This law, and its writer and proponents don't deserve the air time and print space they've gotten used to. Trash Sandstrom's bill now! And other anti-immigrant proposals in Utah's legislature.
    Keep working on practical solutions, like a quicker path to legal immigration, like durable ID's.

  • JazzyMan Meadow, UT
    Feb. 16, 2011 8:56 a.m.

    Well,it sounds like the very thing that we want to keep out of Utah and the rest of our country is here because illegal immigration wasn't taken seriously a long time ago. I guess we can almost call this nation Mexico 2 and look forward to dipping down to their level of violence and street gangs

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Feb. 16, 2011 8:44 a.m.

    Just proves there are nuts in every group. And Arizona reminds us that on occasion, you need to take them seriously.

    It is completely understandable that passions run deep on this issue. Such ideas as cutting off medical treatment and turning doctors into immigration law enforces as they are proposing in Arizona is surely going to raise the stakes.

    But the good people on both sides of the issue need to maintain level heads.

  • jd11 Syracuse, UT
    Feb. 16, 2011 8:20 a.m.

    Immigratrion is perfectly simply and an easy issue to adhere to. The problem has been the elites from both sides of the line ignoring the law for their own political power and economic profit. Enforce the law. All illegals must go. Apply for entry like other law abiding foreigners and when you get your chance then come in and make the best of it.

  • J-TX Allen, TX
    Feb. 16, 2011 7:58 a.m.

    "Cerebro Brillante", when translated to English doesn't mean the literal "Brilliant Brain" as much as it means figuratively "Shiny Brain".

    I'm skeptical that the originator is a native Spanish speaker.

    Should have called themselves "Mente Potente" (Powerful Mind) or "Mente Inteligente: (Intelligent Mind). At least these rhyme and roll off the tongue....

  • crackerjack Provo, UT
    Feb. 16, 2011 6:47 a.m.

    Typical of those who don't get their way on this matter... threaten and yell loud enough hoping they will back down...

    Don't do it. Stay the course and lets get rid of the chaffe.

  • Liberal Ted Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 16, 2011 6:02 a.m.

    Had these politicians been democrats, the main stream media would have been all over it. Blaming the tea-party and branding them as a hate group. However, when men from the black panthers dress up in military garb and try to intimidate white voters as they try and cast their vote; nothing was mentioned in the mainstream media.

    It just goes to show the political and agenda biased of the news organizations. It's amazing how one sided the state sponsered media is. They had no problem pointing out any little mistake Bush made and tried to make him sound like an idiot. Barack stutters and barely makes a sentence, and the media praises him as the smartest president ever.

    At least there is one thing the media can't cover up. And that is the end result. Fact is alot of people are hurting and are out of work. It doesn't matter how much the media tells them that they're fine. They know exactly the hole their in and the lack of jobs being created.

    2012 We Can CHANGE this! Let's vote the rest of this regime out!

  • SLars Provo, UT
    Feb. 16, 2011 4:52 a.m.

    but for honest immigration a country was lost

    Compassion works both ways, breaking the law breaks up families. It's time for a new honest compact.

  • My2Cents Kearns, UT
    Feb. 16, 2011 4:46 a.m.

    Need anymore be said about getting these terrorist out of this country, with prejudice? The threat by illegal terrorism is real and its time we end the act of Sen Robles and Tony Yapais who are leading these terrorist in revolting against the american people, the United States and the laws of this country.

    This is proof the importance of enforcement reform we americans must place on illegal foreign occupation. I am american, I believe in the law, I believe in eliminating this threat to our elected officials. I believe in calling out the guard and volunteers to take up arms and action to enforce the security of this nation and our homes.

  • anti-liar Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 16, 2011 3:04 a.m.

    @ Bajashark
    "I wouldn't put it past you repubs, to fabricate something like this just to fire up your hate base"

    @ owlmaster2
    "These two Reps probably sent the threats to themselves to get some press"


    "Just doing it for the attention" -- another of the standard lies of liars who know that they are on the losing side of truth and reason.

    Why of course Sandstrom and Herrod are just doing it for the attention. After all, there's no such thing as illegal aliens. Nor is there any such thing as unscrupulous employers of illegals, who would betray their country and countrymen for profit.

    No, such things are pure fabrication on the part of Sandstrom and Herrod -- just to get attention.

  • Bryan Syracuse, UT
    Feb. 16, 2011 12:34 a.m.

    Sounds like a bit of Mexican politics is creeping up here to Utah. If you don't like the laws their passing, just kill the politicians. We need to get illegals out of Utah NOW

  • John Pack Lambert of Michigan Ypsilanti, MI
    Feb. 15, 2011 11:17 p.m.

    "Mormon Conservative" is directly advocating a position opposite the teachings of the Church. He needs to start heading the teachings of the Church today and stop following those of people who never had the authority to teach doctrine for the Church.

    The interesting think to me is that some people very bitterly claim that immigration related law enforcement always goes after immigrants and never employers. Well, Herrod now writes a bill that is all about employment enforcement and we hear nothing from these people about it.

    I would even respect some of them claiming that it is wrong-headed enforcement, that what we really need is to go after people doing payments under the table, many of whom are doing so with American-born workers (as well as legal immigrants), but the total silence is suspicious. It leads one to suspect some of the "pro-immigrant" voices are really just anti-Republicans, who could not care less about the immigrants, but just want to bash Republicans so they can obtain their real goals.

  • John Pack Lambert of Michigan Ypsilanti, MI
    Feb. 15, 2011 11:10 p.m.

    I will for the time being assume that Arango is right that the person who wrote this letter is not connected with his organization.

    However, I at least had never heard of his organization. Maybe I am out of the loop, but until they mentioned Carlos Arango I was expecting that it would be said this was the first news of the organization that claimed to originate the email.

    It is possible that the people who wrote this letter chose this name because they thought it sounded good for their two-man organization, and had no clue that there was a more substantial organization of the same name in Chicago run by Carlos Arango.

  • John Pack Lambert of Michigan Ypsilanti, MI
    Feb. 15, 2011 11:05 p.m.

    What are class A misdemeanors? Would this bill require that anyone stopped for any of these have their immigration status checked? If that is so I know a way that citizens who dislike the bill could make life extremely difficult for law enforcement. Just get lots of people to commit class A misdemeanors, and if they do not check your immigrant status sue.

  • John Pack Lambert of Michigan Ypsilanti, MI
    Feb. 15, 2011 11:03 p.m.

    I wonder what the chances are that this is the work of agent provocateurs?

    If it is such it represents the over-the-top counter-reaction to the other side that has been so common at least since the New Yorker cartoon of Mrs. Obama as a black militant and Mr. Obama as a Muslim.

    If the people who wrote this really do believe in the sentiments they are writting then they are way over the top. The attempts to hold the Church hostage on the question of missionaries because it has not "come out strongly enough for the Utah Compact" (somehow saying you endorse something is no longer strong enough) was unwise, but it is a legal action, you can send petitions to anyone advocating changes in visa rules. Calling for violence is another matter.

    I do have to admit that the number of posters on DN comment boards who have tried to claim that the Church endorses their draconian, family-splitting, drag parents out in the middle of the night, plans make me wander if it is true that saying you endorse something is not endorsing it enough, but still Vargas went too far.

  • Janell Ventura, Ca
    Feb. 15, 2011 9:46 p.m.

    Unbelieveable that some folks on this board think this is a fake. Yeah, and I suppose having Sandstroms car vandalized twice at his home recently was also fake.
    Tell that to his insurance adjuster.

  • Long Hair Pete West Jordan, UT
    Feb. 15, 2011 9:37 p.m.

    Sounds like a fake letter to me.

  • DR Hall Clearfield, UT
    Feb. 15, 2011 9:32 p.m.

    These Republican law makers have the intelligence of a half baked potato-nothing of real value. Why do they think that the national level has done virtually nothing. For the previous 10 years Republicans have had control of Congress and the country and the only thing they accomplished was three wars and a economic crisis. This immigration policy is not easy with all the various issues involved. Why don't these law makers wake up and smell the roses?

  • USA Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 15, 2011 9:30 p.m.

    I could well be wrong, but this does look very possibly like a fake. Guess we'll see.

  • casual observer Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 15, 2011 8:56 p.m.

    Not surprising, really. If you don't respect immigration laws, why respect other laws?

  • Prodicus Provo, UT
    Feb. 15, 2011 7:06 p.m.

    "Cerebro Brilliante"? Really? Somebody fell for this? This has "FAKE" written all over it. Somebody who's paranoid about Hispanics decided to try to get others as fired up about locking people up and kicking people out as he is.

  • moodyblue77 Provo, UT
    Feb. 15, 2011 6:47 p.m.

    Why don't we talk about the unspoken declaration of war by Sandstrom?

    These stupid scare tactics are reprehensible. Quit telling us your lives are in great danger. The lives that are in danger are those of the people you hate collectively and are trying to drive out of the land of the free and the home of the brave.

  • Chris B. Midvale, UT
    Feb. 15, 2011 6:22 p.m.


    Even if that were the truth, illegal immigrants are still despicable criminals.

  • JanSan Pocatello, ID
    Feb. 15, 2011 5:47 p.m.

    I find it interesting that they are signaling out "Utah" as being a racist when there are so many of the different states who are also working on laws to counter illegales,some who have laws that are harder then Az. was trying to pass.

  • owlmaster2 Kaysville, UT
    Feb. 15, 2011 5:30 p.m.

    These two Reps probably sent the threats to themselves to get some press.
    They are both puppets of the extreme right and you can't put anything past them in what they will do for attention.

  • hapticz New York, NY
    Feb. 15, 2011 5:16 p.m.

    im thinking of the recent Iranian chants to behead the folks behind their civilians outbursts. Behead? typical hyper reaction from despots who tolerate nobody else's control. the 'rampup' of violence around the planet is facilitated by the easy communication of the hysteria from one psychotic to the next. god save us!

  • kemitc Nashville, TN
    Feb. 15, 2011 4:53 p.m.

    Just like they do in their own country, they threaten to kill people who make laws they don't like. It's time for ICE to do their job. First they try to black-male the LDS Church to do what they want and not threats of violence. I can tell you one thing, I protect my family, friends and freedom to the death if need be.

  • Bajashark Upland, CA
    Feb. 15, 2011 4:51 p.m.

    I wouldn't put it past you repubs, to fabricate something like this just to fire up your hate base...We don't believe your racist rants and acussations nor should anyone with a brain.
    Where have we seen these types of acussations before? If anyone does not recognize them, they are a tactic often used to create anxiety and confusion and to foment hate...a tactic used by terrorists.

  • DN Subscriber Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Feb. 15, 2011 4:49 p.m.

    Sure sounds like it meets the definition of a "terroristic threat" worthy of investigation and prosecution by the feds. I am sure that Obama's crack Attorney General, Eric Holder, will be right on this case and enforce our laws.

    I look forward to seeing that report in the paper...someday.

  • EgbertThrockmorton Layton, UT
    Feb. 15, 2011 4:09 p.m.

    Seems that the Aztlan crowd is running up their rhetoric trying to beat the cerveza cans of war. While I can see some narcotrafficante lowlife doing this, I suspect is more along the lines of a high school art project or civics project. Why yes, Javier (or LaMar), we CAN trace that email you sent!
    Making Sandstrom a martyr is a terrifying prospect.

  • Liberal Ted Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 15, 2011 3:55 p.m.

    "The e-mail says it's from a group called the United Front for Defense of Immigrants."

    We already have the ACLU, we don't need this organization using up more resources.

    Again the issue is illegal immigrants. Is that getting lossed in the translation? These people really need a better education, they're struggling to understand legal and illegal.

    Maybe instead of sending emails implying or threatening death, why don't they try going to school or starting up a legitimate business?

    This is the future of the United States if illegals gain amnesty and these radical groups are allowed to bully their way in. I'm sure barack has everything under control. Look at the economy and the tremendous growth under his taxspendlimus. It's just creating green jobs left and right. So much, that the cost of gas has dropped. Oh wait a minute it has risen 10 cents everyweek for a few months now.

    Yes we can! Yes we can!

  • J. Adams Sandy, UT
    Feb. 15, 2011 3:30 p.m.

    Let's see.... blackmail against the L.D.S. church by a latino activist, death threats to elected leaders by illegal alien advocates. I'm starting to see a pattern.. The real danger that illegals represent is starting to show, wake up America or you will become just like the countries whose values these people embrace. This should be enough impetus to show our legislators which way they should vote. Illegal will always be illegal. We cannot ignore the problem anymore.

  • Wickster77 Hampton, VA
    Feb. 15, 2011 3:27 p.m.

    that was suppose to read "RAMPING" up the rhetoric!

  • Wickster77 Hampton, VA
    Feb. 15, 2011 3:26 p.m.

    "received possible death threats."

    It's either a straight out DEATH threat or it isn't. This was an implied threat of violence in the letter (at least according to the article) and actual violence with the vandalism. But a DEATH threat?? Not exactly. Talk about tamping up the rhetoric!

  • Independent Henderson, NV
    Feb. 15, 2011 3:23 p.m.

    I hope they find those punks and make them serve out there sentences while wearing Ronald Reagan T-shirts. God Bless America!

  • Wickster77 Hampton, VA
    Feb. 15, 2011 3:20 p.m.

    "received possible death threats."

    It's either a straight out DEATH threat or it isn't. This was an implied threat of violence in the letter (at least according to the article) and actual violence with the vandalism. But a DEATH threat?? Not exactly. Talk about tamping up the rhetoric!

  • Teafortwo salt lake city, utah
    Feb. 15, 2011 3:04 p.m.

    All illegal aliens are, by very definition, criminals to begin with. The fact that they might make threats against those that would try to enforce laws against them is not at all surprising. It is in perfect character. They don't believe they should have to obey other laws. Why would this be any different?

  • facts_r_stubborn Kaysville, UT
    Feb. 15, 2011 2:59 p.m.

    Of-course, no civilized person would condone violence, or threats of violence of any kind. Every reasonable effort should be made to find those responsible and punish them to the fullest extent of the law.

    Having said that, I think it is important not to generalize this isolated act to a group of people. We need only remember the recent tradgedy of U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords (D-AZ) to understand this point. Several liberal pundits blamed this attack on the "tea-party" and radical right conservatives. Clearly, 22-year-old Jared Lee Loughner acted on his own and does not represent the tea-party any more than I do.

    We must have integrity in our public discourse and be consistent in our principles. Posters here and others who lay the blame for the recent death threat against Sandstrom at the feet of any group or nationality are just as wrong as the liberal groups in the Giffords tradgedy.

    It should also be pointed out that public officials, particularly city counsel members and mayors receive death threats routinely. These are isolated and abitrary acts by looney bins or worse. They do not represent the groups they purport to support.

  • stampederus Ephraim, UT
    Feb. 15, 2011 2:47 p.m.

    What part of the law do the Latino community and illegal immigrants not understand? As a legal immigrant,who has recently become a U.S. citizen, we subscribed to this country's laws to gain our status.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Feb. 15, 2011 2:38 p.m.

    These type of threats of violence seem to work in Mexico and Cuba... why not try them here?

    Maybe we can bring the cartel violence across the border from Mexico right here to Utah!

    Do we really want to run OUR political process the way they do in Mexico???

    Ever noticed how the violent and divisive rhetoric gets turned up whenever you try to touch ILLEGAL immigration? Why is that??? It happened in Arizona, and now it's happening here.

  • We the People Sandy, UT
    Feb. 15, 2011 2:35 p.m.

    From listening to media outlets, I thought only the "right-wing" made threats to silence opposition. I guess not.

  • MormonConservative A Tropical Paradise USA, FL
    Feb. 15, 2011 2:25 p.m.

    They should not worry, their Mormon's and Republican's,Jesus will protect them, it's long overdue to rid Utah of all those illegal's anyway, that's my view, even though these 2 Utah state lawmakers backing bills that would fight illegal immigration say they've received possible death threats. Republican Rep. Stephen Sandstrom of Orem says the Utah Highway Patrol is investigating an e-mail sent Sunday that includes references to assassination and violent revolution. It includes images of Che Guevara and an AK-47 and decries the "racist" state of Utah. YES IT'S TIME to report ans then deport these illegal's in Utah Reps. Chris Herrod, and Stephen Sandstrom, don't let no one push you around, your both doing the right thing.