BYU, Utah basketball: Chapter closing in BYU-Utah hoops rivalry

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  • Y4LYFE Lubbock, TX
    Feb. 12, 2011 11:22 p.m.

    utah is walking out of the conference CU Buff style, with the door slamming on their tails on the way out.

    BYU is walking out of the conference slamming the door (in as much a Christian way as possible).

  • UtahDerek sandy, ut
    Feb. 12, 2011 9:13 p.m.

    BYU smack talk never gets old. Just remember that the "number 7 team in the country" was tied to us coming off a loss to san diego st by 30 at your place with 6 minutes left. If anything you should be talking about your own team and just how over rated you really are.

  • Rock Of The Marne Phoenix, AZ
    Feb. 12, 2011 7:19 p.m.

    Where's Stockton ??? That is gig talk from a fan of a team who cannot get invited to a big time conference. Regarding Big 10 football, it was mighty weak this year so please dispense with the big and badness of said conference. Ive been to Ohio; hope I dont have to go back.

  • Where's Stockton ??? Bowling Green, OH
    Feb. 12, 2011 6:58 p.m.


    You're Wrong The Big Ten's border war between Michigan and Ohio State totally outdoes the entire PAC. They drive each other off the roads, turn cars upside down and set them on fire and start shooting real bullets at each other around here. The PAC is a pathetic little bunch of whimps in comparison... so yes Utah will fit right in. right on the bottom of the pile.

  • fresnogirl Fresno, CA
    Feb. 12, 2011 5:58 p.m.


    Hope you enjoyed the game.... I know I did.

  • fresnogirl Fresno, CA
    Feb. 12, 2011 5:51 p.m.


    It's on both (obviously) since it is about BOTH teams. Please stop trying to kiss me.

  • Chris_B Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 12, 2011 3:40 p.m.

    Y 107 U 79 JF 50.

  • wardu Fallon, NV
    Feb. 12, 2011 3:10 p.m.

    Some of those shots we really couldnt do anything about, said junior Will Clyburn, who led the Utes with 23 points in the loss to the Cougars. Were looking forward to the next game at their place. Were going to get them.

    Get them what, late Christmas presents? Early birthday gifts? Get Jimmer to a new personal best in scoring? That sounds about right.

  • WA_Alum&Dad Marysville, WA
    Feb. 12, 2011 2:52 p.m.

    Woops--I meant "red-headed step-child."

  • WA_Alum&Dad Marysville, WA
    Feb. 12, 2011 2:42 p.m.

    Living for 20 years in the shadow of the University of Washington and being subjected to 950 KJR Sports Radio, I can tell you that there is no more whiny, arrogant, or entitlement-mentality conference--or fans--than the PAC-whatever. In the past few years they have been mediocre at best, but that doesn't get in the way of their self-regard. Usually "PAC" stands for "Prejudiced, Arrogant and Classless." Lately the P is for "Pathetic." The UofU will fit right in. Enjoy your new home. You will now get a mouthful of what it is like to be universally despised in your conference. Washington State is thrilled to not be the fair-haired stepchild anymore.

  • Bigdude Twin Falls, ID
    Feb. 12, 2011 2:24 p.m.

    I know you should never feed the troll, but can you honestly argue that the PAC-10 is better at basketball than the MWC or WCC? The PAC-10's best team is Arizona. The same Arizona that BYU destroyed earlier in the year. Regardless of arena size, St. Mary's, Gonzaga, SDSU, and BYU are much better than any PAC-10 team.

  • hedgehog Ann Arbor, MI
    Feb. 12, 2011 2:08 p.m.


    this article is on the Ute page


  • IndianaCoug Bloomington, IN
    Feb. 12, 2011 2:07 p.m.

    All I can say is that now is a great time to be a Cougar fan. BYU has beat seven teams this season that are currently listed in ESPN's Bracketology (UTEP, 13; Vermont, 15; SDSU, 2; USU, 9; Arizona, 5; UNLV, 8; and St. Marys, 7). Their two losses come to a #9 seeded UCLA and a bubble team, New Mexcio, with both losses coming on the road.
    I expect Jimmer to have a quiet night (only about 30 points), and some of the reserves will get a shot to make some noise. It would be great to see Rogers drop 20 on the Utes and Davies have a double double. The Cougars have found a nice way to leave the conference (by destroying teams like Utah).

  • fresnogirl Fresno, CA
    Feb. 12, 2011 1:50 p.m.

    Rock Of The Marne

    When this article is on the BYU boards and the BYU fans are responding to our resident Hedgehog Troll, that does not make them Trolls. Now ... if they were to come over to the Utah boards and start unprovoked chest-thumping THEN you could have a valid complaint.

    Furthermore, YOU writing "Maybe your B-Ball team can someday come close to matching Utah's NCAA Tournament Record (Many final 4s, Elite 8s , NCAA Runner Up and NCAA Championship); until then I wouldn't be so prideful as your team post season record is pathetic at best" sounds a bit Trollish -- not to mention hypocritical and insecure.

  • royalblue Alpine, UT
    Feb. 12, 2011 1:27 p.m.

    BYU's RPI will be unaffected by the outcome of the SDSU-UNLV game since BYU plays both teams twice.

    Of course, it would probably be more impressive to the selection committee if BYU was the only team to beat the Aztecs before selection Sunday, but the real plus to UNLV beating SDSU would be putting BYU in position to win at least a share of the regular season MWC championship even if the Cougars lose at SDSU.


    btw, BYU fans, it's time we just started ignoring the Utah fan rants about conference affiliation.

    As we all know, being in a major conference doesn't mean anything unless you actually do something.

    NOBODY considers Duke or Kentucky elite college football programs, or Washington State or Nebraska elite college basketball programs.

    Until Utah actually wins a PAC 12 championship in football or basketball, all of their bluster is nothing but hot air.

    For a football program that has only won 6 WAC/MWC championship COMBINED in the last 50 years, winning a PAC 12 conference championship could take years if not decades.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 12, 2011 1:11 p.m.

    "Two teams heading in opposite directions. "

    Not for long.
    1. Jimmer will graduate and that'll drop BYU significantly (they'll still be good but more like a normal year).
    2. Utah can't really get any worse than they are right now. Honestly, I'm a Ute, and I'm going to watch the game to see if Jimmer drops 50 on us.

  • wardu Fallon, NV
    Feb. 12, 2011 1:05 p.m.

    @Repblue, True, but I do not believe a possible 2 seed depends solely on RPI, but simply BYU taking care of its business. I just tend to root for the underdog, unless that underdog is Utah.

  • RepresentBlue West Jordan, UT
    Feb. 12, 2011 12:31 p.m.

    @wardu | 12:07 p.m.

    Why do you want SDSU to lose before the Cougars play in San Diego? It would be much better for BYU's RPI if San Diego is unbeaten except the two times they played the Cougars. If BYU beats the Aztecs at home they will be a lock for a #2 seed in the tournament.

  • RepresentBlue West Jordan, UT
    Feb. 12, 2011 12:19 p.m.

    What rivalry? BYU will make it 9 out of the last 10 today, and the Utes haven't been able to keep it within 20 on their own court lately. Wyoming has been a bigger rival than the Utes lately.

  • Chad S Derby, KS
    Feb. 12, 2011 12:17 p.m.

    The only question is will BYU put up 100 on the hapless Utes? Or will Jimmer score a personal best 50? That's what I'll be hoping for. I also hope that nobody transfers from this Utah team. Ever. The football gods on the Hill sold the basketball soul to the Pac-12 devil and I predict Utah basketball will never recover. Basketball on the Hill is almost over. Football is King. Goodbye. You're about to get Jimmered.

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    Feb. 12, 2011 12:09 p.m.

    Um. Rocky, when BYU fans are reading a BYU article and are posting on a BYU article, and Utah fans are there talking smack, I think you should reconsider who is obsessed with whom.

    Now I will admit, on slow cougar days, to occasionally trolling a Utah article. Could that possibly be it? U guys are having a slow news day? Prety much ever since the biggest day in college football in the state of utah?

    Thought so...

  • wardu Fallon, NV
    Feb. 12, 2011 12:07 p.m.

    The thing that would really kill the haters would be an upset by UNLV over SDSU. It most likely won't happen, but it would be great to hear some cricket noises from the haters.

    BYU win, SDSU loss, and a Wisconsin win over OSU = a great basketball day.

    Gotta love this time of year.

  • Striker Omaha, NE
    Feb. 12, 2011 11:47 a.m.

    Anyone else notice that this game is at BYU, yet it's being played in the Huntsman Center? Major typo there.

    I told the guys at church ball today BYU would win by 30. Go COUGS!

  • Skippy West Jordan, UT
    Feb. 12, 2011 11:32 a.m.

    Big Happa...You just responded to Hedgie and CB too!
    You are just like the rest of your guys.

  • wardu Fallon, NV
    Feb. 12, 2011 11:29 a.m.

    I for one would like to see Jimmer get himself a new personal best for scoring, and send the Utes off with a fond memory of the Cougs and the MC. A great team goal for today would to be to get every player that suits up for the Cougars in double figures in scoring. I think that is a reachable goal against Utah.


  • hedgehog Ann Arbor, MI
    Feb. 12, 2011 11:27 a.m.

    "How many times has Gonzaga been on ESPN this year - 15, 16, 17?"


    Sounds like this cable thing is a little new to your mountainman ways. Let me ask you, Do you think the entire nation watched Gonzaga play 15,18,17, 10,000 games this year?

    Funny, for all these games on ESPN I typically only see Duke, Kansas or Big 10 games in my "neck" of the woods.

  • kat Ogden, UT
    Feb. 12, 2011 11:18 a.m.

    So, Hedgehog, tell me the difference in playing a game in a sold-out 6K gym and playing in the Huntsman with an anemic 6K in attendance.

  • Rock Of The Marne Phoenix, AZ
    Feb. 12, 2011 11:14 a.m.

    Even in your best year BYU fans (by evidence of their posts) can't quit obsessing about Utah; very sad and little brother like of you. Worry about actually doing something come March and quit it with your inane drivel about Utah. Can't be happier Utah's leaving you all behind. Your team will most likely win tonight but youll still be insecure enough to come on the boards and smack on Utah; thats just due to you inferiority complex; trust us, we know how you are. Thank goodness it ending in some ways after tonight.

  • Mountainman56 Alpine, UT
    Feb. 12, 2011 10:49 a.m.


    BYU will get little to no regular season coverage in the WCC? How many times has Gonzaga been on ESPN this year - 15, 16, 17? I don't know, I've lost track. How many times will Utah be on ESPN next year - 0, 1, 2? My bet is on 0. Oh well, nobody watches the yewts anyway so who cares - right?

  • Where's Stockton ??? Bowling Green, OH
    Feb. 12, 2011 10:37 a.m.

    Oh yes...have to differentiate for those nitty pickers. I'm saying BYU will no doubt help build the WCC in basketball. Football independence for BYU is a given financial boon...even without the BCS. BYU Football will not be held back but will flourish.

  • Where's Stockton ??? Bowling Green, OH
    Feb. 12, 2011 10:29 a.m.

    @AK Cougar
    Don't worry about that guy. After Arizona and Arizona State left and went off into obscurity in the PAC. BYU pretty much carried the WAC in football and credit Utah's basketball program helped also to build and carry the conference. Both did the same for the MWC. The big difference now... is that Utah will fade into obscurity behind USC, Oregon, STANFORD and probably Washington in both programs...while BYU will be a big factor in building up the West Coast Conference.


  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    Feb. 12, 2011 10:26 a.m.

    Ah, wedgester, that is the WCC, yes I know it.

    Um, half of our conference games will be played at... wait for it... almost there... the Marriot Center. Not a high school gym. And all of them will be available for national broadcast on ESPN.

    Not saying they all will be. But,

    How many games this year do you think (um, do you think?) would be adjusted to prime time and picked up by ESPN IF the Cougars weren't hog-tied (no relation) in the dark wasteland that is the MWC television deal?

    Considering what BYU has coming back next season, I will predict, here and now, with great courage, MARK IT DOWN!!! BYU will get far greater national coverage in basketball next year than Utah.

    And that is allowing for all the regional televised games of decent PAC 10.2 teams wupping up on the Utes.

    And in football? I dare say next season, you will block all four ESPN channels because of all the BYU football coverage.

    Seriously, I will be cheering against USC, even when Utah is playing them.

  • BYU Deek Spanish Fork, UT
    Feb. 12, 2011 10:22 a.m.


    are you calling Gonzaga and St Mary's insignificant? Because, last I checked both of those teams carry as much clout as any team in the "Conference of Champions" this year. The Utes are going to where they belong. A conference that is more focused on Research and patting themselves on the back, then they are about sports. The PAC is the new Conference of the Past. Good luck, your best days are behind you!
    The Cougars are looking to the Future, and the Future looks GOOD!!!

  • AK Cougar Palmer, AK
    Feb. 12, 2011 10:07 a.m.

    I am really looking forward to the game today. If I lived close, I would be in the stands. I see the Cougars taking this game by 20.

    For the poster above that thinks BYU will be playing in the High School gyms of the WCC? What is the average seating in those games? Are they full? What's the difference between filling a small gym or seeing a larger gym near empty? The biggest difference is the value that comes from the gate. Teams need the money. BYU will continue to have a loyal following and the MC brings in alot of gate revenue.

    Go Cougars!

  • Solomon Levi Alpine, UT
    Feb. 12, 2011 10:01 a.m.

    pebble of the marne

    grow up

    there is no such thing as trolling an article about your own team

    the only thing BYU care about is enjoying this season and seeing how far Jimmer can carrying this exceptionally exciting BYU team

    as far as Utah's ancient history, enjoy those old scrap books, it'll help take your mind of the ash heap that is now the Utah basketball program

  • Where's Stockton ??? Bowling Green, OH
    Feb. 12, 2011 9:58 a.m.

    @Rock of the Marne
    Yepper... those 20 games way back when. But it just wasn't fair that you uteys hauled in all that manure and spread it on our side of the pasture. We kept expecting to get a drink of milk during those games That's why we kept carrying that old Oak bucket around. Too bad your last 50 years weren't as good as your first 50.

  • hedgehog Ann Arbor, MI
    Feb. 12, 2011 9:48 a.m.

    "Bye bye MWC, and hello to the big stage of Independence ! The Coug's are going national and the potential is awesome. Independence is the proverbial " Your Ship has Come In " and perhaps " Not looking a Gift Horses in the mouth " is fitting as well"

    Big Happa,

    You realize byu is not independent in basketball don't you? Nope, because of a lack of leverage and clout they were FORCED to downgrade from the MWC to the WAC and finally to the cellar.

    I forgot the conference name (SWAC?) but I do know that from a national prespective it's completely of the radar when it comes to respect.

  • Solomon the Wise Alpine, UT
    Feb. 12, 2011 9:47 a.m.


    Two teams headed in opposite directions.

    One to big conference bottom dweller.

    One to national prominence.

    Utah's new conference affiliation won't bring the Runnin' Utes back to life.

    And BYU's new conference affiliation will simply mean more exposure and better television coverage for the nationally respected program Dave Rose is building at BYU.

  • Bottom Line Draper, UT
    Feb. 12, 2011 9:44 a.m.


    This is an honest question. If the Utes couldn't win a title in the lowly MWC how will they fare in the conf of champions. BYU currently wins 1/2 of all MWC titles and Utah wins 1/10th.

  • Rock Of The Marne Phoenix, AZ
    Feb. 12, 2011 9:41 a.m.

    There are sure a lot of BYU trolls on here dogging on Utah (no surprise there I guess). For all you supposed B-Ball superiority BYU fan (remember in the 90s your team stunk) the series is pretty close to even (unlike Football where Utah owns you by 20 games). Maybe your B-Ball team can someday come close to matching Utah's NCAA Tournament Record (Many final 4s, Elite 8s , NCAA Runner Up and NCAA Championship); until then I wouldn't be so prideful as your team post season record is pathetic at best. Enjoy this year because that is all you have and then next year be sure to enjoy the obscurity of the WCC little brother.

  • hedgehog Ann Arbor, MI
    Feb. 12, 2011 9:37 a.m.

    "If you win, you win and get to go to March madness,"

    Eddie, I agree with you to an extent. If a lower conference team wins 90-95% of there games they get a chance at the NCAA tournement.

    However, these type of teams get little to no regular season coverage (typically). From the all important "exposure" angle it will be all or nothing for the kewgs both in basketball and football.

    Not sure if the tds faithfull are mentally prepaired for what awaites them.

  • Where's Stockton ??? Bowling Green, OH
    Feb. 12, 2011 9:23 a.m.

    @Big Hapa

    Why??? Because their totally off the Wall logic is entertaining. Especially Hedgie's...and Chrissy's predictions are sure bets in an opposite world. She some how has crossed over into this one without realizing that she no longer exists in her parallel universe.

    Got to give them credit though...they love misery. So they'll enjoy tonights thrashing of the Utes


  • Wldflwr Lehi, UT
    Feb. 12, 2011 9:21 a.m.

    While shopping this morning I actually saw a little stuffed Valentine Hedgehog. Hedgie, if you would like I will send him to you, so you may have something to comfort you while all your silly predictions fly out the window!

  • Big Hapa Kaysville, UT
    Feb. 12, 2011 9:05 a.m.

    Bye bye MWC, and hello to the big stage of Independence ! The Coug's are going national and the potential is awesome. Independence is the proverbial " Your Ship has Come In " and perhaps " Not looking a Gift Horses in the mouth " is fitting as well.

    The BYU ESPN contract and the 6 million LDS fans around this country will prove to bring in some coin. That is terrific. I know there are transplant UofU people scattered about who jump around and stomp there feet in place, begging for attention sorry utes you will claim no new notoriety.

    Now with that said, the utes do have a nice NCAA Sanctioned southern division to play in, in there new PAC 12 conference. Which could play out nicely in 2011. Oh well will the utes be-able to take advantage of this, we shall see ?

    The BYU Independent Party Train is in the station lets get on board.

    Oh yeah, why do any of you BYU faithful respond to the likes of hedge & CB whats up with that anyway ? Jealousy and envy ne'er annoy, these two are lame and simple minded hacks.

    POLY Cougar Nation.

  • Where's Stockton ??? Bowling Green, OH
    Feb. 12, 2011 8:59 a.m.

    And of course the lost little misplaced hedgehog sitting alone... lost in the tree's on the edge of the Great Black Swamp has played his usual unchanged melody of woe...and still... there is "No JOY" in Ann Arbor. Your wake up call Hedgie is in Sept when the PAC throws out their old doormats and replace them with Welcome utey and Colorado ones... Yours of course will be at the conference back door. Feast with the Champions...usually means your the main course. Want to place an order of San Diego style curly fries on tonights game???


  • Eddie Syracuse, UT
    Feb. 12, 2011 8:28 a.m.

    The big difference with two teams going in different directions, hedgehog, is that it doesn't matter what conference you go to in bball. If you win, you win and get to go to March madness, no matter what conference you are in or no conference at all! Even if you are in the "conference of chumps", you have to win game to get to the big dance. The diff here is that the running utes will NOT win games and therefore will not go the the BIG DANCE.

    In football you will have to win the majority of your games to go to a bowl game and I do not see the u winning even 6 games per year.

    But good luck anyway with at least saying you belong to a AQ conference, even though you never go anywhere.

  • Cougars - Wise Older Brothers Anaheim, CA
    Feb. 12, 2011 8:12 a.m.

    Jimmer and the Fredettes will make it 9 of the last 10 for BYU as the Cougars close out their shared conference era with the Utes.

  • WinSum Rexburg, ID
    Feb. 12, 2011 7:54 a.m.

    I am disapointed in BYU moving to the WCC. All the years getting "appropriate facilities" sure takes a major step backwards by going to the "gyms" I've seen lately on TV in the WCC. The MWC has finally some great venues.

    Utan & PAC 12 is a lateral move, BYU's is down....I guess we'll have to wait and see, but the AD @ BYU will have to produce some real magic to make this credible..... Sort of feels like Egypt getting "Independence.?" Not sure what we got....

  • Tommy2Shoes Lehi, UT
    Feb. 12, 2011 7:53 a.m.

    You'd think the writer would know the difference between the Huntsman Center and the Marriot Center. Doubt it'll make much difference to the outcome. I see this as a Cougar feasting on a hapless Ute. Think we are getting pie after the game. Jimmer gets 40+. Cosmo entertains. Boylen gets some more excuses. Dr Hill moves a step closer to finding a new coach (but I think he should hold the course, Cougars like Boylen at Utah.

  • Tom in CA Vallejo, CA
    Feb. 12, 2011 7:36 a.m.

    Today's rout will be one to remember. Christmas in February.

  • hedgehog Ann Arbor, MI
    Feb. 12, 2011 7:23 a.m.

    Two teams heading in opposite directions,

    90 cougar,

    yes, one heading to the storied "Conference of Champions" and the other to the...the.. I'm sorry, I forgot the name.

    help me out, it's that conference that sporadically televises games at 11:30 at know in those high school gyms...

    Sorry I can't remember the name. But, hey, congratulations.

  • 3grandslams Iowa City, IA
    Feb. 12, 2011 7:05 a.m.

    The only team saying the rivalry has waned are only those looking for an excuse for losing so much. That just a cop our for we can't beat these guys even when we use rivalry hatred to get us going.

    I guarantee the players are up for this game today.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    Feb. 12, 2011 6:17 a.m.

    Hope Jimmer gets his 50 today! So long Utes, enjoy obscurity in the PAC-10.2

    Never mind your inane comments about BYU going to the WCC. We've heard them before.

    You are about to be Jimmered.

  • wwookie Payson, UT
    Feb. 12, 2011 5:03 a.m.

    1 game a year will leave the rivalry going for the foreseeable future and I hope to see some memorable moments.

    Hope foster steps up his game today to keep it close.

  • 93 COUGAR Orem, UT
    Feb. 12, 2011 1:54 a.m.

    Actually this hasn't been a rivalry for a few years now.

    My how times have changed.

    Two teams heading in opposite directions.