Brad Rock: Utah Jazz: New-look Jazz wind up with same, sad results

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  • Bugoff Houston, TX
    Feb. 13, 2011 12:27 a.m.

    CHA want to move Diaw at 9 mill and keep Wallace and Jackson.

  • Kakashi Tokyo, Japan
    Feb. 13, 2011 12:04 a.m.

    i hope management knows that bobcats are willing to trade Wallace or Jackson or even both to free up salary...why not dump CJ and AK and get those two..add a couple of picks and a TE should seal the deal...

  • Bugoff Houston, TX
    Feb. 12, 2011 7:30 p.m.

    @rvalens Thanks Iapreciate your insights. Please post if you want to.

  • Dustin Idaho Falls, ID
    Feb. 12, 2011 7:23 p.m.

    I really enjoy reading the posts on the Deseret News site because people actually discuss the Jazz. It isn't like yahoo or ESPN where people are simply posting to get under your skin.

    I believe the Jazz can turn things around with a few roster moves/trades, and perhaps a secondary system that can be run when the flex is being disrupted. I know that is a lot to ask because the flex is already complicated, but it would sure surprise a lot of teams.

  • rvalens2 Burley, ID
    Feb. 12, 2011 4:29 p.m.

    Bugoff ... excellent well made points ... I was going to post up some of the same, but I couldn't have said it any better.

  • Bugoff Houston, TX
    Feb. 12, 2011 1:41 p.m.

    CJ can shoot within the system or because the system is disrupted. However, he is much more likely to hit his shots within the system.

    If the system breaks then DWill has to take over by himself, OR he has to go to AJ and let him go one on one OR CJ shoots from the outside.

    You can run the team thru Millsap and AK but with AK out the system bogs.

    When the system bogs depending on who is guarding Millsap he may not be able to get open or DWill may not be able to consistently get him the ball.

    If AJ has a bad night (and AK is out) and the system bogs, teams can concentrate on Millsap and the entire inside game goes away.

    If there is not enough outside shooting capability the Jazz efficiency disappears and the team is dysfunctional (most of the last 2 months).

    Corbin needs outside shooting and he needs to tweak the system so that both AJ and Millsap function well at the same time.

    AJ needs special plays so the other players are moving when he has the ball.

  • louisiana jazz man Dubach, LA
    Feb. 12, 2011 11:12 a.m.

    ? why dosen't it flow to millsap. when millsap is shooting we are scoring then cj comes in if he is hitting we score if he is clunking we lose

  • Bugoff Houston, TX
    Feb. 12, 2011 11:02 a.m.

    Hayward needs to be the emergency 3rd PG in the future.

    There are a couple of thoughts that are important.

    Right now the Jazz only have DWill, Millsap and CJ who are healthy AND who have extensive experience with running the system.

    You can't run the system with 3 players for a whole game.

    It only takes 1 player on the floor who is hurt, confused or slacking to disrupt the system. Other teams identify the weak points in the system and disrupt it.

    The biggest problems are hurt and confused. If the system gets disrupted then DWill has to improvise and CJ starts chucking. Further, the ball does not flow to Millsap.

    The Jazz will not run well until the system runs well. That is mostly a matter of healing and practice.

    The defense needs an overhaul. It that worked it might carry the team.

    There is one major point. There seems to be some Sloan loyalists who want to blame the players. That is not helpful.

    You have to have 7 or 8 players who are healthy, know the system and execute it or it will be disrupted by the other team.

  • JazzyMan Meadow, UT
    Feb. 12, 2011 10:21 a.m.

    By the way,I predict the Jazz will beat the Suns in Pheonix on Tuesday. Corbin will have them ready.Somebody has got to work with our big men more and instill some skills and confidence in them.Esp.fess and fransisco.I liked what Corbin did with Hayward in having him bring the ball up the floor on occasion .It seamed to fill the guy with a sense of purpose and confidence. This team will be back!GO JAZZ!

  • JazzyMan Meadow, UT
    Feb. 12, 2011 10:15 a.m.

    I saw some definite positives the first half of the game.Positives that I believe will carry over into the next game against the Suns. Some of the guys looked like they were out there to actually play and not have to worry so much about what was said to them on the bench by a coach who has a mostly negative personality. Hayward,especially looked like a much improved player ,Kirilenko looked like he could "breathe" again out there. Remember fans that the Jazz were missing Bell and Price also.Those guys would have added more energy to the team. Deron played a good game.Miles played good at times but needs to concentrate more on his shooting so it's more consistent. Now lets give this team a break.I believe that had we had Kirilenko the full game and Price and Bell ,the Jazz would have won this game. Our big men are killing us at this point ,and they have all season.We simply need more out of Fess and Elson.These guys are a liability for the team right now. Bring Malone back.He couldn't do any worse.

  • Iowa Jazz Fan 2 Cedar Rapids, IA
    Feb. 12, 2011 10:05 a.m.

    As has been pointed out before by several posters, Jefferson bogs down the offense. This year the offense has been boring to watch -- not much crisp passing, swift ball movement, back cutting, all-of-a-sudden somebody's open stuff. Always thought I could expect to see that from the Jazz.

    Al is a hard worker and, I think, team minded. I don't know why it's taking him so long to get into the flow of this system. He's not a rookie. But when the ball goes into him and he posts up and works his defender for 6, 7, 8 seconds -- it changes the offense -- the other guys have to pause also and stand around wondering what he's going to do. Maybe the new staff should put a stopwatch on him in practice and the rule would be -- three seconds to shoot or pass the ball back out, Al.

  • Bugoff Houston, TX
    Feb. 12, 2011 9:52 a.m.

    A lack of quality depth is a problem. It may be wise to do a minor trade if possible. The SG position lacks consistent outside shooting. It would not hurt to add a player the Jazz want in the long run.

    The Sloan system has been disrupted about 1/2 of the time for the last 2 months. Teams make adjustments and then disrupt the system.

    Sloan did not seem to have an answer for that. Corbin is going to have to figure out how to get the system to run consistently with the players he has.

    That takes 10 healthy players and practice. The Sloan system in its current version requires a lot of energy. It also requires execution. That is not happening for a full game because the energy and execution is not there.

    Some players have to play who lack a lot of experience with the system and it falters.

    The rest have logged a lot of minutes and tend to be older, dinged and worn.

    This is the same team that lit it up in the first 2 months. The lack of experienced quality depth and injuries are a problem.

  • Bugoff Houston, TX
    Feb. 12, 2011 9:42 a.m.

    Hornacek needs to make Fes shoot 500 FT a day and teach him how to shoot a FT. Someone needs to teach him how to do a couple of additional offensive moves.

    He has the ability to be more than just a bench warmer and we need him functioning well. IT IS the responsibility of the coaches and organization to train the players and help them get better. It is not all on the athlete to improve their game.

    Evans needs intensive work at the SF position. That is where he is needed and that is his natural position.

    The Jazz can not count on Okur, AK, and Bell not being injured especially at playoff time.

    KOC really should add an insurance SG/SF or Evans/Hayward need to be ready.

    The rebounding was about even with the Suns. It is still a problem.

    The Jazz at this point are worn and in many cases hurt. That is why you did not get a "full game" last night.

    Sloan always ran with major minutes on his 7 or so best players. That works in the short run but wears them down (and gets them injured) over 82 games.

  • anchorbaby Brigham, UT
    Feb. 12, 2011 9:31 a.m.

    The best thing about yesterday, the Mailman delivers once again, "the truth".

  • Bugoff Houston, TX
    Feb. 12, 2011 9:29 a.m.

    It will take Corbin the rest of this year and probably some of next year to work out the problems.

    There are some bright spots.

    1. Hayward emerged and shot and shot well. That is crucial. The SG/SF position is depleted at the moment and lacks quality depth. If the Jazz can get 14 points and 5 rebounds consistently out of him in 30 minutes they do not need to trade for an SG/SF.

    2. The rotation is short and 4 of those players are Fes, Elson (defensive players mainly) and Evans and Hayward (rookies). That leaves 5 players and AJ does not execute the offense that well. If the Jazz can heal up and in some cases rest up they can finish.

    KOC may needs to get Jeffers as a practice player for 10 days. He knows the offense.

    The Jazz need to focus on making sure everyone knows and executes the offense properly. That takes 5 on 5 practice.

    The Pick and Roll defense by the bigs needs to be modified. That takes practice. The defense is a major problem.

    More later

  • Chas Layton, UT
    Feb. 12, 2011 9:05 a.m.

    It looks like the Jazz cannot play a full game. That's been obvious for a long time. What happened to 105% effort? Very few Jazz players fit that goal. A good kick in the pants, better still, a cut in pay would bring on more energy. Coach Corbin has his work cut out for him.

  • bgl Santa Monica, CA
    Feb. 12, 2011 9:01 a.m.

    I loved this guy as an assistant, but I feel really sorry for him as a head coach. He might have been ready to inherit a team where everyone knows that what the coach says-goes. But is he ready to inherit a team that seems to be aching to be less tough and who have a petulant star who will only be coached to a point and then starts calling the shots himself?
    The Mailman nailed it, in case some of you weren't watching and are still trying to convince yourselves that Jerry signed an extension and then 48 hrs later, happily decided to go back to farm life--Karl said that no matter how much anyone ever disagreed with "my coach"--when they stepped out on the floor, they did it Sloan's way.
    Good luck Ty! You gonna need it.

  • The Great Houdini Rye, CO
    Feb. 12, 2011 8:45 a.m.

    Tale of two halves,the haves and the have nots,and we are very lucky to have cj miles,who plays well for a half and then...poof...the great and famous Houdini act...gone huckin 3`s as fast as he can,forgeting there are 4 other guys with him,a 1 man bricklayer show

  • Pipes Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 12, 2011 7:17 a.m.

    They got out of their offense and the "Super Stars" started hucking up outside shots. When they stayed within the offense, the scored. More proof that when players think they know better than the coach, they lose.
    Good luck Coach Corbin. You are going to need it. Time to trade some cancers for some real men.

  • Doug10 Roosevelt, UT
    Feb. 12, 2011 6:10 a.m.

    Jazz offense offends nobody but the fans

  • Johnson72 Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 12, 2011 4:12 a.m.

    Time, Sloan did not over 1,200 games in 2 seasons.