Mormons & Media: 2012 forecast includes White House, NYT best-seller

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  • Alberta Reader Magrath, Alberta
    Feb. 12, 2011 2:23 p.m.

    Clearly you have some understanding of the LDS religion and yes I do see how what you mention could come across as offensive no question. It would come across as offensive if the assumption made that this must mean anything good done by someone that is non LDS HAS NO MERIT. This couldn't be farther from the truth. Good works,service, deeds or whatever, can be done buy all and I believe God blesses accordingly regardless of religion or in fact no religion. I can't think of a person that gave their life to God by serving their fellow mankind than Mother Teresa.
    It would be interesting to discuss the parable of the workers in the vineyard that started to work at different times in the day yet all got their one penny when that day was done. Matthew Chpt 20

  • JoeBlow Miami Area, Fl
    Feb. 12, 2011 12:11 p.m.

    "I think that most religions in their own way believe that their religion in the only true church."


    I can go along with that.

    The problem with the LDS and what does make them different is that they constantly say


    Do you see how THAT may come across?

  • The Vanka Provo, UT
    Feb. 11, 2011 8:12 p.m.

    I have never said I "oppose" Mormons. I certainly don't hate them. I am married to a very active one.

    You assume way too much.

    I have shown from LDS scriptures the "arrogant religious imperialism". It is a doctrinal, organizational point, not a personal attack on any human being.

    A religion that doctrinally believes itself to be the "one and only true and living" organization on the face of the earth, and which aspires to rule the entire earth and put an end to all other powers - is this not arrogant? Is this not imperialistic? Most importantly, is this not doctrinally true of Mormonism?

    And finally, I have never claimed not to be "human" (whatever that is supposed to mean in this context).

    Again, you make some unsupported assumptions. Perhaps you should rein that back a bit and consider my points objectively. The fact that you don't suggests I not only diagnosed an institutional hubris, but a personal one for you.

  • Alberta Reader Magrath, Alberta
    Feb. 11, 2011 6:49 p.m.

    Great comments Counter Intelligence

  • The Vanka Provo, UT
    Feb. 11, 2011 5:09 p.m.

    the truth,

    I am pleased to hear you consider Mormon beliefs to be no different than other religions.

    One must wonder, however, how that jives with LDS claims to have the "fulness" of the truth, and assertions that all other religions are "abominations" with "corrupt professors" and a history of ?Great Apostasy"?

  • the truth Holladay, UT
    Feb. 11, 2011 2:13 p.m.

    RE: Vanka

    How are mormons much different in beliefs than other religions?

    other than emphasis on missionary work (and if you believe you have the full truth would not you want to share it?)

    Whe live in area that is majority mormon what do you honesty expect?

    IT is much better to understand than to hate.

  • Vanka Provo, UT
    Feb. 11, 2011 12:39 p.m.

    Believers can sarcastically dismiss my comments until they are BYU Blue in the face, but it doesn't change the fact that voters are extremely put off by such arrogant, relgious imperialism. And the fact that you don't take it seriously is part of the problem.

    Such hubris.

  • Independent Henderson, NV
    Feb. 11, 2011 12:04 p.m.

    "I don't think Obama's going to convert to mormon."

    Just how does one "convert to mormon"? What does that even mean?

    And, oh no! Vanka has uncovered the conspiracy! How will we ever carry out our plan of total world domination now?

  • Vanka Provo, UT
    Feb. 11, 2011 11:13 a.m.

    Counter Intelligence,

    Please elaborate. Be specific, if you can.

    Who are you assuming I "oppose"?

    What have those whom I "oppose" said or written that is at all similar to what I have said or written?

    Or is yours just one of those mindless "I know you are, but what am I" knee-jerk responses to my comments?

  • Richard Saunders Provo, UT
    Feb. 11, 2011 11:09 a.m.

    @ Vanka 7:31
    Finally, an expert on Mormonism! Here I've been, living in Utah, reading the Deseret News, just desparately hoping for someone, anyone, to know something about Mormons! I thought I was going to have to break down and actually (gulp!) talk to one of my neighbors and ask them what they believe. Not anymore. I can now relax, confident that in less than two hundred words, Vanka has given me an accurate and fair representation of a Church with members in hundreds of countries. What a relief!

  • Vanka Provo, UT
    Feb. 11, 2011 7:53 a.m.

    It would be a better use of your time to read Hubbard's "Dianetics" or any of his other best-selling works of fiction, than to waste your time reading the Book of Mormon.

    And if you read Dianetics with a sincere heart, with real intent, and ask a Thetan if it is not true, he will manifest the truth of it unto you by the power of the Audit.

    Ask John or Tom. They will testify of the truth of Dianetics.

  • Vanka Provo, UT
    Feb. 11, 2011 7:31 a.m.

    Voters may give lip service to the idea that religion doesn't matter, but it really does.

    People who know Mormons know that Mormons push their religion into everybody's face and into everything they do. They wear their religion on their sleeves.

    Socially, to a Mormon, you are either a fellow member or a "non-member" (also known as a potential investigator). Trying to be friends with a Mormon is like trying to be friends with a MLM-er. They are always trying to get you to "join".

    Politically, they believe they are supposed to prepare the world for the coming of Jesus, when their theocracy will rule for a thousand years, when "every knee shall bow and every tongue confess that [the Mormon] Jesus is the Christ" (Philippians 2:10-11; Mosiah 27:31; D&C 76:110; D&C 88:104).

    They aspire to "put an end to all nations" (D&C87:6) that Zion (the New Jerusalem) will be built upon the American continent (in Missouri); that Christ will reign personally upon the earth.

    Romney and Huntsman believe this stuff. It sounds like Taliban or Hezbollah to me.

    Would you vote a Scientologist into the WH?

  • Chachi Charlottesville, VA
    Feb. 10, 2011 7:42 p.m.

    @Patrick Henry: I disagree. I think everyone has more respect for a person who sticks with his beliefs, however weird they seem, than for someone who believes but doesn't walk the walk.
    (By the way, have you changed your mind about the Constitution?)

    @Trevor G.: No, the problem with Prediction #2 is that people only read the Book of Mormon if they're interested in religion, not because someone famous is a Mormon. Jon Sweeney said that because he hasn't been a Mormon missionary and isn't familiar with what kinds of people read the Book of Mormon. I'd be surprised if he's ever cracked its pages himself.

  • Patrick Henry West Jordan, UT
    Feb. 10, 2011 6:14 p.m.

    A LDS person will never become president in America unless he forfeits his religion entirely or is extremely inactive.

  • Sutton Cedar City, UT
    Feb. 10, 2011 6:12 p.m.

    Hutterite |
    "I don't think Obama's going to convert to mormon."

    Counter Intelligence |

    You are probably right; which means that even the Huffington Post doesnt think Obama deserves a second term.


    Whether or not Obama wins in 2012, will depend who runs against him...

    Sorry, but Sarah Palin isn't going to cut it, and Mitt R. has a good shot but with how extreme the Right is now-a-days... he would most likely get labeled as a, "Un-Christian RINO" That Healthcare plan of his isnt going to help either.

    Mark my words... The Conservatives will split the Republican vote between far-right (tea party) and the Right. Much like Moses and the Red Sea, this split will make a safe passage for Obama to sit in the oval for another 4 years.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Feb. 10, 2011 5:04 p.m.

    I don't think Obama's going to convert to mormon.

  • Gentile brookings, SD
    Feb. 10, 2011 4:20 p.m.

    It will sell books.

  • Trevor G. Layton, UT
    Feb. 10, 2011 2:20 p.m.

    The problem with that Prediction #2 is that most people will get the Book of Mormon for free or just read it online.