BYU basketball: Hot Cougars scorch nets, Falcons

Jimmer Fredette, Cougars tie 3-ball record in win over Air Force

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  • Tom in CA Vallejo, CA
    Feb. 10, 2011 3:40 p.m.


    re: "too poor to live in SF":

    Yes, and way to poor to live in Payson Utah.

  • SportsFan Orem, UT
    Feb. 10, 2011 2:55 p.m.

    Don't bother arguing with wwookie about padding stats; he's just jealous that BYU crushed the same team on the road, that his Utes lost to at home only four days earlier.

  • Alpine Coug Alpine, UT
    Feb. 10, 2011 2:25 p.m.

    @ wwookie

    Don't forget that the Cougars only suited up nine players total for the game due to injuries. And everyone played. Hard to clear the bench when there are only four players sitting there.

  • casual observer Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 10, 2011 1:59 p.m.

    Poqui | 10:31 a.m. Feb. 10, 2011

    Yes and the same small school who can't recruit 7' 3" players swept the Utes who can.

  • Cougarista Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 10, 2011 1:56 p.m.

    When Fredette has the ball the refs call the game as if it's MMA and not BBall. At least no one has tried a choke hold on Jimmer.

  • CG Orem, UT
    Feb. 10, 2011 1:48 p.m.

    Anytime BYU gets to be too good, the last line of defense for naysayers is always the old "running up the score" whine.

    It was used constantly during the 80's when BYU's football team was scoring at will against defenses that were helpless to stop Young, McMahon, Bosco, Detmer, et al.

    It's telling of the state of the BYU and Utah basketball programs, however, when our friends on the hill have to break out the old whine for basketball.

  • Independent Henderson, NV
    Feb. 10, 2011 1:37 p.m.

    "Jimmer bless Jackson Emery. Great to see his shot back last night. But even when he's not scoring, he's ALWAYS contributing."

    Yes. And have you seen that hair of his? Fantastic hair. Why, he contributes so much just by showing that glorious head of his on the court!

  • Independent Henderson, NV
    Feb. 10, 2011 1:35 p.m.

    "I am so impressed with Brandon Davies' effort! Does anyone else think he looks like President Obama? Very handsome, talented and nice young man!"

    Yes. Very Clean. Very Articulate.

  • Truth Machine Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 10, 2011 1:21 p.m.

    wwookie is probably hoping that Rose will pull his starters after the opening tipoff Saturday to prevent the Utes from being too embarrassed.

    Didn't Jimmer torch Utah for 32 in the HC?


  • PerfectCougar Payson, UTAH
    Feb. 10, 2011 1:17 p.m.

    Payson is nice. Great view of the valley, mountains, and Provo.

  • PerfectCougar Payson, UTAH
    Feb. 10, 2011 1:16 p.m.

    Fouls will play a big role in how far BYU goes in the NCAA tournament. Our lack of depth will not be exposed as much if Davies and Hartsock can avoid early fouls and especially avoid 4 or 5 fouls.

    Teams will be going at them hard though looking to create fouls. Clearly this is a concern and Rose has played so much zone as a way to protect them. But, it has a cost in rebounding that must be accepted. A price worth paying.

    Zone defenses leave offensive players in positions that are harder to man up on for blocking out - this is what causes teams that use the zone to give up more offensive rebounds.

    This will be on clear display again when we play SDSU. At the same time, BYU is a very good rebounding team. Hartsock, Davies, Abouo and Rogers are tough guys and tough rebounders. Collinsworth is a highly skilled rebounder, but I would not call him tough.

    Our guards rebound well too.

    Man oh man, I like this team.

  • truebluecougar Orem, Utah
    Feb. 10, 2011 1:11 p.m.

    I have watched Cougar Basketball closely including the Stan Watts era. Dave Rose is the finest coach to fill that position at BYU. His record speaks for itself. Contrats on 150 wins in record time and exciting brand of play. No messing around with athletes who do not comply with BYU standards and the best in recruting quality young men into the program. God bless his health and allow him to coach for many years to come. Go Cougs

  • PerfectCougar Payson, UTAH
    Feb. 10, 2011 1:07 p.m.

    Davies has continued to turn up his aggressiveness and it continues to pay dividends. He IS a monster inside and one to be feared! He will perform even better against SDSU the second time, with the caviot of refs.

    This league has homer refs. Like they want to make sure each team has happy home fans to support the league financially. Otherwise it makes not sense to allow Jimmer to be hacked the way they do on the road.

  • PerfectCougar Payson, UTAH
    Feb. 10, 2011 1:05 p.m.

    BYU fans at AF deserve props big time. Impressive!

  • Delmar the Amazing Las vegas, NV
    Feb. 10, 2011 1:02 p.m.


    You live in Payson. End of story

  • Duckhunter American Fork, UT
    Feb. 10, 2011 12:53 p.m.


    I'm sure that is how you felt when whittingham decided to go for an onside kick when he was up 50 against wyoming. I'm not one to tell people not to post but if you are going to be that foolish it might be in your best interest to just not put it online where other people can actually read it and know what a dimwit you are.

  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 10, 2011 12:39 p.m.


    "Who lives in Vallejo anyway?"

    That's rich, coming from somebody who lives in Payson. Not that Payson is a bad place to live, but really...

    As far as sportsmanship, Dave Rose is preparing his starters to handle the rigors of 3 games in 3 nights at the MWC tournament, and 2 games in 3 nights hurdles in the NCAA tournament. He's not about to start resting his starters too early just to keep the score more "respectable".

    Your whining is obviously just a futile attempt to get Rose to pull Jimmer from the game early enough on Saturday to prevent him from laying a 50 spot on the Utes.

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    Feb. 10, 2011 12:25 p.m.

    I am so impressed with Brandon Davies' effort! Does anyone else think he looks like President Obama? Very handsome, talented and nice young man!

  • wwookie Payson, UT
    Feb. 10, 2011 11:51 a.m.

    @ Tom in Vallejo,

    Who lives in Vallejo anyway? oh, that's right, people who are too poor to live in San Francisco and don't want to live in Richmond.

    In most people's books of places to avoid is a picture of Vallejo. Funny that you think a high rise is anything above 2 stories. Those 3 story apartment buildings in Vallejo aren't really high-rises and neither are the few business park buildings of 6 or 7 stories.

  • CaliforniaCougar Lake Elsinore, CA
    Feb. 10, 2011 11:50 a.m.

    Regarding the 'stat padding' comment ... let Jimmer and the other starters play. It's almost as if we have to root for close games so we can see our favorites longer.

    When Detmer was at the Y, I used to get excited for the other team to score simply so Detmer could play longer.

    Detmer was the man. Jimmer is the new man. Fans want to see the best players play.

  • Resident2 Spanish Fork, Utah
    Feb. 10, 2011 11:41 a.m.


    Luckily, it doesn't matter what you think about Rose or Fredette. I'm glad he stayed in and scored on them after the refs let the defenders maul him all game.

    There's a reason Rose is coach and you are not. If you want to give your 2 cents about poor coaching, I'd be happy to talk about Boylen all day long with you. Otherwise, quit being a Ute pessimist.

  • wwookie Payson, UT
    Feb. 10, 2011 11:16 a.m.

    Continuing to play Jimmer after leading 54-27 was disgusting.

    I wish sportsmanship wasn't put in the back seat by Coach Rose. Jimmer may get hurt and then what?

    Some things are more important than having Jimmer become player of the year by boosting his stats after a game is more than won.

    Jimmer is amazing and I would vote him number 2 as the nations best player. This type of stat padding doesn't make me think he is now #1.

  • Tom in CA Vallejo, CA
    Feb. 10, 2011 11:00 a.m.

    @Swiss/Price Utah 7:25am:

    In my dictionary under "boring" is a photo of Price Utah. Got any beaches around that place?? Oh, that's right, just a few petrified Dinosaur bones. You got any high rise buildings down there in Price(??) - (a high rise is anything taller than two stories). How about a pizza parlor?

  • Duckhunter American Fork, UT
    Feb. 10, 2011 10:57 a.m.

    I wonder if boylen plans to use the same "secret" defenses he used last time?

  • lasermann Orem, UT
    Feb. 10, 2011 10:48 a.m.

    That high school student body team just swept the Utes. Guess they're not writing home to Mom or anyone else.

  • BVS Sevier, Utah
    Feb. 10, 2011 10:47 a.m.

    I enjoyed the game (Go Cougars!), but I was disgusted by the lack of sportsmanship on the part of the Air Force crowd. Booing every time Jimmer had the ball was juvenile at best and showed a serious lack of class. I had expected better from these supposedly "cream of the crop" cadets. You'd think that they would have been satisfied that the refs let the Air Force players clobber Jimmer 10-15 times for every one foul called! But, no, on top of that they felt the need to Boo him. Classless.

  • Poqui Murray, UT
    Feb. 10, 2011 10:31 a.m.

    Yeah, the cougs beat a school that has a student body the size of a high school and is limited in their ability to recruit basketball players...

    Now there's something to write home to mom about...!

  • lasermann Orem, UT
    Feb. 10, 2011 10:28 a.m.

    Great game last night; nice work AFCoug and the other Cougar fans for packing that high school arena.

    @Live Hard: Isn't life hard enough without having to cheer for the brown and yellow?

  • AFCoug Colorado Springs, CO
    Feb. 10, 2011 10:16 a.m.

    Was at the game and the refs were HORRIBLE! There were several missed calls going both ways but the blatant trip of Jimmer in the first half and the suppossed travel in the second were horrendous calls.

    Colorado Springs has 4 stakes and I think everyone of them was at the game. I thought my Ward confernace was at Clune arena last night. They cancelled mutual and Cub Scouts becuase leaders and youth were going to the game. BYU fans nearly drowned out the AFA band during a timeout as half the arena erupted in a B-Y-U chant.

    I was glad to see Davies and Emery come on strong in the 2nd half. They were the differance makers last night. Jimmer and Rodgers were great in the first half but Emery sat with 2 fouls and Davies only had 4 at the half. They turned it up in the second while Jimmer was getting mugged. He was cool though and simply nailed a couple three's when nothing was being called down low.

    Finally the future looks bright. Rodgers, Davies, Abuo, Hartstock, and even Magnussen and Zylstra had some good moments and showed hope for the future.

  • Hawk Littleton, CO
    Feb. 10, 2011 10:11 a.m.

    Jimmer bless Jackson Emery. Great to see his shot back last night. But even when he's not scoring, he's ALWAYS contributing.

  • Eliot Santaquin, UT
    Feb. 10, 2011 9:51 a.m.

    Well, Dave, if your amused by 6000 attendance at AFA be prepared for some kicks and giggles for the future because that's about what the WCC schools average for their arenas.

  • J1234 Spanish Fork, Utah
    Feb. 10, 2011 9:48 a.m.

    Coach Boylen, "Do I really have to get Jimmer'd twice in a season? Maybe I'll call a time out in the last minute to keep this one close, too. Great! Now that my game plan's in place, I'll check to see if they still want to fire me."

  • Y4LYFE Lubbock, TX
    Feb. 10, 2011 9:15 a.m.

    Boy, whoever plays BYU next sure better bring their brown paper bags. Cause BYU is on fYre.

  • DEW Cougars Sandy, UT
    Feb. 10, 2011 9:01 a.m.

    I didn't see Live Hard up there - oh yeah, I skip him.

    I love it when Jimmer said "to hold and grab" and that he was refering to ref didn't called those. I have seen the same with Big East conferance doing those things too and he might as well get use to those now when tourney comes.

    K. Collinsworth will be ready this Saturday for second early knockout against utah.


  • DaveKnowsWhatsUp Bloomington, IN
    Feb. 10, 2011 8:44 a.m.

    Emery, we're glad you started making those shots too.

    Chris B. What score should I mark down for Saturday? I've been a bit lost without your predictions.

  • Danish American Payson, UT
    Feb. 10, 2011 8:01 a.m.

    The word has gone out to the refs that opposing teams can mug Jimmer and they don't have to call fouls. The trend started in New Mexico and has continued with every game since. Even though he made 16 free throws in the UNLV game, 4 of those were technical fouls. He should have had twice as many. I do like to have the refs let them play, but this is a little too obvious.

  • Anonymous Infinity American Fork, UT
    Feb. 10, 2011 7:55 a.m.

    These MWC final games are important to win, but are meaningless in reality. The MWC teams other than possibly SDSU and UNM are sorry sad sack teams and everyone in the conference knows it. Apparently no one doing the polls thinks so. I can't believe the rankings. BYU has a history of faltering in the games that mean something during the year and at the end of the conference tournament. I hope they can do some business this year and change that trend. Beating the AFA is stricly a joke. The other joke is how the officiating is allowing opponents beat up Jimmer. It's a crime. Blow the whistle you meatballs.

    Go BYU.

  • sports-junkie West Jordan, UT
    Feb. 10, 2011 7:54 a.m.

    I loved the aggression that Jimmer was playing with last night. He's right, they played him VERY physical and he only shot 4 ft. Hmm.

    Anyway, Stephen Rogers is awesome. Ive been waiting for his break out game and it couldnt have come at a better time. Once KC and James Anderson come back the Cougars will have a much improved beach with Chuck and Steve making big contributions.

    I admit I was a little worried going into last nights game as well. It was nice to see the Cougars run a team out of their own building.

    Oh, and good work BYU fans in Colorado! You guys were very much noticed on TV.

    Next up: Jim (call a timeout when your team is down by 80 with one second left in the game) Boylin and the Runnin' Utes.

    Go Cougars!

  • BYUalum South Jordan, UT
    Feb. 10, 2011 7:50 a.m.

    Great game, BYU! It was interesting that not many fouls were called with all the slamming and knocking down players. Saturday is going to be great! We'll be there cheering on Jimmer & Co.

    Who is Michelle?

    Go Cougars!

  • WinSum Rexburg, ID
    Feb. 10, 2011 7:41 a.m.

    The article indicated AF made Jimmer "earn every point" is interesting. Tackling is traditionally left for football, but between slaps, grabs and down right tackling, it's amazing the Mtn.West Conf. uses the same refs for both sports. Must save money.
    Then again, how do you stop such a player without a half-court assult & mugging?
    Just a thought.

  • 3grandslams Iowa City, IA
    Feb. 10, 2011 7:40 a.m.

    When are the refs going to call off the dogs? The tactics teams are resorting to now against Jimmer are not only desperate but unsportsmanlike.

    The refs are swallowing their whistles. No way can a player be the focus of physical defense, grabbing, pushing, hacking, and only go to the line 4 times!

    Play tough defense but protect the player too. Refs should make defenses move their feet, not let them throw punches.

  • Swiss Price, Utah
    Feb. 10, 2011 7:25 a.m.

    Hey Tom: It must be really boring out there in bankrupt Vallejo. I guess the shipyard hasn't sunk any Nuke Boats at the pier lately for the only other excitement since Two Years before the Mast was written.
    Hope the Fountain West can keep the MTN running without two of the best teams. Versus and the CBSC should be dropping the MWC when their contracts are up. We'll be watching BYU play on three national TV channels in HD.

  • CaliforniaCougar Lake Elsinore, CA
    Feb. 10, 2011 7:20 a.m.

    Hmmm, since BYU is down on players ... does Michelle have eligibility to suit up Saturday?

  • dustman Nampa, ID
    Feb. 10, 2011 7:15 a.m.

    I thought air force played pretty good for a while there. But they have absolutely no size under the basket and BYU just man handled them down low all night.

    People don't realize how physical of a game Jimmer plays, he just does it on offense. He has a great outside shot, but his bread and butter is putting his shoulder down and driving in to the basket. Thats hard to defend when you got a shoulder in your chest. haha.

    I watch the NBA and that is a physical game. If Jimmer thinks Air Force was physical, he's in for a wake up call next season. I though air force was just FAST.

    BYU won. Jimmer got his points. Good enough.

  • billybubba South Jordan, UT
    Feb. 10, 2011 7:13 a.m.

    The ref's were so bad I felt sorry for both teams. I dont think glasses would have helped. they reminded me of the classic three blind mice.

  • Hawkeye79 Iowa City, IA
    Feb. 10, 2011 6:19 a.m.

    Four Cougars score in double-digits yet again, and still, I fully expect comments about how BYU is a one-man show. Here's hoping BYU's upcoming opponents use that same approach in their game plans :)

  • Dave from Taylorsville Taylorsville, UT
    Feb. 10, 2011 5:12 a.m.

    "6,028 fans at Clune Arena, the largest crowd to watch a game here since BYU visited in 2007."

    I'm always amused that a Div. 1 school could have such a small arena. 6,028? That's the average number of Marriot Center fans at the concession stand at the middle of the first half of any game.

    Team performance and fans showing up. . . that's where it's at. And BYU has done it, in basketball and football. And so have the Utes. . . errrrr, um, well, OK, hooray for the Utes, uh, Runnin' Utes, uh, Red Birds, uh, Red Rocks, uh, PC Non-Native American mascot promoting TUN (Team up North, or Timmid Ute Natives). Come on guys, be proud of who you are! Gators are an endangered species, but you don't see the U of Fla. turning away from their school symbol. But I think THE best example is Fla. St.. Joe Seminole comes out at the beginning of every home football game on a war pony in full Seminole dress and plants a flaming spear in the field. Now that's school AND Native American pride.

  • Louisiana Cougar Pineville, LA
    Feb. 10, 2011 5:09 a.m.

    I am proud to write, "I said it would be a close game and a nail biter" in my post yesterday.

    I was worried, but the Cougs weren't. I caught part of the game on the computer but the sound and picture died on me. I couldn't even get KSL on my computer so I missed the final score.

    I loved the defensive effort. I laughed when the referees let AFA mug Jimmer. They were ridiculous!

    Props to the team and the coaches. Now, on to Saturday. Perhaps Brother Fredette can set a BYU assist record against the University of Utah!

  • bluekirty Fairfield, CA
    Feb. 10, 2011 12:14 a.m.

    @LiveHard, you do realize most of our top RPI came during non-conference? Sure, UNLV and San Diego State have kept it up, but the rest of the MWC could very well drag BYU down. And you really don't think we'll make it out of the first round of the UNLV Invitational? That won't happen. And with the seed we'll get in the Tournament, we'll definitely make it past the first round and should make the Sweet 16. Hopefully we can go farther.

  • Orem Native Orem, UT
    Feb. 9, 2011 11:57 p.m.

    @Riverton Cougar
    Live Hard is a Wyoming fan, which might even be worse than being a Ute fan right now. It's pretty bad when all you can do is besmirch your "rival" (in quotations because Wyoming obsesses about BYU while they're an afterthought for us) for what they might do in the tournament.

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, Utah
    Feb. 9, 2011 11:44 p.m.

    Live Hard,

    Win or lose in Las Vegas; win or lose in the NCAA tournament; whether in the PAC or WCC; no matter the size of opponents' arenas; BYU is in much, much, much, MUCH better shape than the pitiful Runnin' Utes (who are runnin' away from the MWC).

  • RockOn Spanish Fork, UT
    Feb. 9, 2011 11:32 p.m.

    I hope Michelle comes and that at half time they honor her with a game ball signed by all of the players with a hug from Jimmer. I hope she's a good enough sport to do that. She'd end up on ESPN.

  • CaliforniaCougar Lake Elsinore, CA
    Feb. 9, 2011 11:19 p.m.

    The real question for Saturday ... will Michelle show to The Jimmer Show?!?

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    Feb. 9, 2011 11:16 p.m.

    Rogers has a very bright future!

  • Tom in CA Vallejo, CA
    Feb. 9, 2011 11:03 p.m.

    Who do we play this Saturday? Anyone good? Oh, now I remember.