Utah Jazz: Russell Westbrook, Thunder torch Jazz

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  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Feb. 9, 2011 9:19 p.m.

    Based on the way the Jazz are playing right now.. they don't make the playoffs. Time to dump Memo and get somebody who isn't injured 75% of every season. Not sure where the Jazz are contract wise with their current roster but if this team misses the playoffs or gets the boot after the first round then its time to start unloading players like AK and Memo ...

  • Kakashi Tokyo, Japan
    Feb. 7, 2011 5:50 p.m.


    one thing you are right though...millsap is a beast...and he really works hard...i think he is just giving way for Al Jefferson...and doesnt want to come off greedy...the problem with Millsap guarding the 3...is speed...im not sure if he is fast enough...i really think..the Jazz should have used the TPE that they got from Boozer for a quality wing and a solid C to complement Millsap starting...i think that would have been a win-win situation...now it just clogs the 4-5 slot

  • The Great Houdini Rye, CO
    Feb. 7, 2011 5:08 p.m.

    Kakashi,one thing you are right about things have changed,Barkley and Rodman never had to defend against 7 foot power forwards because there weren`t any,no Dirks,Gasols,Duncans,Garnetts, Mchale was probably the biggest then.Millsap id every bit as good as Rodman overall and I said even last year to move him to the 3 spot,some laughed,but that may be his natural position,and yes Chuck we need to find out once and for all whether Fes is the guy,play him

  • Kakashi Tokyo, Japan
    Feb. 7, 2011 5:01 p.m.


    i love the white ogres comment...lol...its true...the jazz havent really drafted an athletic big man...im guessing every part of the franchise is old school...look at paul george...he was taken by indiana after Gordon Hayward...the guy had confidence from the get go...Gordon Hayward is too nice...and wont offend other players by taking shots...the kid has potential though...you are partly right on matthews though...he is good...but he is a volume shooter as well...plus portland uses their wings on their offense...i think the Jazz should trade CJ Miles...while he still has some value being young....

  • Kakashi Tokyo, Japan
    Feb. 7, 2011 3:47 p.m.


    No barkley wasn't tall...but Millsap is no Barkley...
    Rodman wasn't tall...but Millsap is no Rodman...get the picture? If millsap was like Rodman...no one could shoot over him...if Millsap were like Barkley...he would pick up Shaq and beat him to the ground...im just saying...PF today are no longer like the ones we knew in the 90s...its either Millsap becomes sort of like Rodman...getting 15-20 boards a night and just totally lock defend the 4...or could score in bunches like Barkley...so far...he is being abused...you dont see pau shying away for an open jumper in front of millsap...

  • Chuck Nunn Logan, UT
    Feb. 7, 2011 2:28 p.m.

    I don't know what it is, Houdini. But Fes needs to be out there and playing his role. Ed, I can't tell if it's a bias against eastern bloc guys in general or Fes in particular, but it's truly there.

  • The Great Houdini Rye, CO
    Feb. 7, 2011 2:39 a.m.

    There`s got to be a reason Sloan pulls Fes so quickly,maybe goofing off in practice? We badly need a big and sometimes he looks like the guy,next time out he looks lost, really lost and miles,you`re right

  • ed Los Olivos, CA
    Feb. 7, 2011 12:43 a.m.

    RE: Chuck
    Do NBA refs have a problem with Eastern Bloc players? AK, too, seems to get no respect from refs. Years ago, Dino Raja of the Celtics made an issue of it. The whole Fes thing makes no sense. Even though he makes mistakes, it is obvious the team plays better when he is on the floor.

  • CJ Miles Dallas, TX
    Feb. 6, 2011 8:36 p.m.

    CJ is terrible. ...........

  • Chuck Nunn Logan, UT
    Feb. 6, 2011 7:44 p.m.

    Not a coincidence that Sloan pulls Fesenko and the Jazz get reeled in in the second quarter. That kid needs to play. He's going to make mistakes, and the NBA refs seem to have a real problem not whistling him for ticky-tack or non-existent fouls. If he's the only guy on the team not allowed to make a mistake, it's a wonder he's not at the UofU psych ward by now. I have a HUGE amount of respect for Jerry Sloan, folks who know me know that. But where it concerns Fes, I think he's handled him the wrong way. I don't want anyone else to coach this team as long as Sloan is around. But he needs to play Fesenko as part of that second group, and he needs to start doing it now while the playoff teams are still in reach. He doesn't have to turn the whole game over to Fes, but Fes needs to be playing regularly, whether anyone wants to admit that or not.

  • Viva Los Jazz Garland, UT
    Feb. 6, 2011 6:32 p.m.

    I was fortunate to go to the game and was impressed in the first quarter with Al Jefferson blocking shots and playing defense. Al had a decent game but didn't play good defense and Deron Williams let Westbrook hit 3 point shots although he guarded him tight towards the end of the game and he still hit one in Deron's face. I give credit to the Thunder for hitting that many 3 point shots. I thought Hayward did well against Durant and seemed to know the plays. Fesenko deserved to be pulled since he wasn't impressive in his few minutes, CJ couldn't hit his shots - he was forcing shots. Raja played well. I would have liked to see Jeremy Evans backup Milsap instead of Elson, who isn't getting it done at the 4 but would be better at the 5. We are in desperate need of a shooting guard who can hit the 3 and play the d. We also need a power forward; maybe use AK as a backup. If we get Memo and AK healthy I see us doing better against the Thunder.

  • Hellooo Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 6, 2011 5:08 p.m.

    The real All-star stood up last night. Westbrook showed the great DWill how to drive, pass and even shoot the three. Great speed and strength for an example to a slightly injured player that is even now a step too slow to keep up with the younger atheletic point guards in the league.

  • Doctor J Manti, UT
    Feb. 6, 2011 4:43 p.m.

    Tai Wesley, Bradey Jardine, Wild Bill & Jimmer are more than enough to satisfy my hoop interests this season. If Matthews and Maynor were still here the Jazz would be of more interest also.

  • Vince the boonies, mexico
    Feb. 6, 2011 4:30 p.m.

    Sure did enjoy watching the Aggies last night!

  • jcrotty25 Meridian, ID
    Feb. 6, 2011 3:27 p.m.

    Im getting sick of hearing that millsap is too short and small!jazz fans jazz fans.. let me explain somthing... just like when i tried to explain to all of you in july that we will self destruct and fall apart if we lose mathews.. aaaaaand korver but especially mathews...and nooooone i repeat none of you agreed that it was a big deal.. and mocked me for wanting to keep mathews .. and you all said he was too expensive .. lol really .. do you say that now lol.. anyways back to millsap.. here we have a player who is very very talented but is forced to play big and defend bigger players and doesnt have a shot blocker behind him to help rebuff his man from trying to attack him/basket...dont you ppl get it.. we dont have any shotblockers and other then jefferson..not intimidating... he is next best and biggest/strongest presence around the basket on defense ..players exploit that..dont even say fes.. so he always is forced to play in the paint... not his fault .. bc mainly bc we havent drafted a athletic 6'10-7'1 player in a decade..only white ogers

  • Fuzzbrain Pleasant Grove, UT
    Feb. 6, 2011 1:42 p.m.

    Stockton is never coming back to Utah, I think that's pretty obvious (but wow would he be an awesome coach if he decided he wanted to). The Jazz seem like they aren't even trying to defend the pick & roll, or close out on 3 point shots. The only other way they could possibly win consistently is getting to the free throw line, & rebounding; but they also aren't doing either of those things. I think the all the scouting reports on the Jazz have probably never changed in 23 years.

  • Uteology Fort Worth, Texas
    Feb. 6, 2011 1:33 p.m.

    The problems as I see them...

    AJ - Too soft
    Millsap - Too small to play the 4 spot
    Miles - Too inconsistent
    Bell - Can't shoot, not a starter
    Price - Waste of a bench spot
    Fez - Should be playing in Euro
    AK - Game left him 5 years ago, too expensive

    Salon - Great coach to get team to the playoffs but not good enough to win. Didn't do it with two hall of fame players will not do it with DWill and 10.5 roll players.

  • The Great Houdini Rye, CO
    Feb. 6, 2011 1:04 p.m.

    Raja starts at the 2,but miles,DW,Price,even GH are spending time at the 2,so yes only Raja starting there but others playing the 2 also,but we are very very weak at the 2 spot,just last year we were very very deep there

  • B Russ Ephraim, UT
    Feb. 6, 2011 12:55 p.m.

    I believe if the defense is solid in the paint that the rest of the defenders can do a better job guarding the outside shot.

  • Jazz-Nation Lehi, UT
    Feb. 6, 2011 12:08 p.m.

    Why are the Jazz so terrible at defending the perimeter and shooting from the perimeter?

    Lets look at the roster:

    PF/C- AJ, Milsap, Elson, Fesenko, Okur- all post players, not expected to defend or shoot from behind the three point line. When healthy, Okur can rotate outside.

    SF- AK, Miles, Hayward, Evans, out of this group we can only hope that Miles has an "on" night, none of these guys defend the 3 well, Hayward might be the best defender of the group defending the 3, AK defends the post well.

    SG- Raja Bell, the teams only shooting guard has had a couple of good games, but seems to be a step slower than the players he guards every night. This position is key for the Jazz defense, especially guarding the perimeter and creating off the dribble. Raja Bell needs help, we are the only team in the league that only have one SG?????

    PG- D-Will, Watson, Price, Deron is our obvious scoring threat, Watson and Price do a good job at keeping there man in front of them, but you can not depend on them scoring.

    Obviously, we need help at the SG spot.

    GO JAZZ!

  • Sokol Las Vegas, NM
    Feb. 6, 2011 11:55 a.m.

    I defend my recommendation, they would fire up these guys and Sloan is ready to, as we use to say on the farm, 'put out to pasture.'

  • toddfromsantaana Santa Ana, CA
    Feb. 6, 2011 11:52 a.m.

    Houdini I agree with every single comment you made. Maynor gets a wash on Earl due to his youth and speed, Earl I did not forget. He has been terrific but more on smarts and brains, Eric is the athlete. The fact is I could not agree more. Boozer now at least makes efforts to play D. Missing Matthews and watching him night after night lite up defenses depressing me. I saw him last night against Cleveland he looks happy and comfortable. He looked stressed at times with the JAzz. Even If Roy was not hurt, Wes would still have been a huge contributor.

  • Kyle loves BYU/Jazz Provo, UT
    Feb. 6, 2011 11:36 a.m.

    I wish the bright spot was AK's contract coming off the books but that will only put us a little under than cap and with the results of this season who knows if the Millers will want to keep going into the tax for a non-contender.

    This game was all about the Thunder. Unbelievable 3 point shooting.

  • The Great Houdini Rye, CO
    Feb. 6, 2011 11:25 a.m.

    Stockton or Hornecek to step in and take over,now there`s a couple of guys with lots of head-coaching sucess....wow

  • Sokol Las Vegas, NM
    Feb. 6, 2011 11:16 a.m.

    Again, I think Salt Lake City has a press that gives KOC and the nicely gelled Greg Miller a pass as far as them stepping up to defend this collapsing mess.
    Sloan gets out coached every night. Fesenko is a legitimate center and we play Shorty Millsap...Kirilenko is always injured. Its so dissappointing to have continual mediocre team...The only person worthy of firing up the team would have been Larry Miller, but there is not any leadership, outside of Williams in the entire Jazz organization.. They had a great ride in Denver, but Sloan is to robotic, too mechanical, and does not call out his players like Jackson, or bench them like Thibadeux in Chicago. I just do not think their is the collective intelligence to get us over the top...Maybe we need Stockton or Hornacek to step in and take over...

  • The Great Houdini Rye, CO
    Feb. 6, 2011 11:14 a.m.

    Todd,you`re right we were better last year because we had better players.Boozer vs AJ,call it a wash although Boozer is better scorer and rebounder.Matthews,Korver and Ronnie B vs Raja,miles and GH,you know the answer to that one...Watson vs Maynor,another wash,I really like Maynor,overall we are weaker now and Matthews is really the main reason

  • zabivka Orem, UT
    Feb. 6, 2011 11:11 a.m.

    Oh come on, people! Let's be realistic: The Jazz lost to a very good Thunder team that most experts picked to finish 2nd in the West when all is said and done. The Jazz were coming off a very emotional Denver game the night before, they struggled to maintain defensive intensity throughout the night, and they missed some easy scoring opportunities on wide-open shots.

    But I think this game was more about what the Thunder did right than what the Jazz did wrong. They were incredible!

    On a brighter note, just remember that AK's HUGE contract expires at the end of this season, which will give the Jazz a great deal of money to work with!

  • Old Timer the boonies, mexico
    Feb. 6, 2011 11:06 a.m.

    Evans plays 5/12 minutes, did he get injured Jerry? How about Fess and just under 5 minutes, another injury? What did your favorite son, from your favorite state do to earn plus 24 minutes? We are like Egyptians here, we also need change! Right from ownership on down if necessary! This is ridiculous.

  • Trickeration Cedar Hills, UT
    Feb. 6, 2011 10:40 a.m.

    Fire O'Conner already!!!

  • deno22 Rexburg, ID
    Feb. 6, 2011 10:19 a.m.

    Not much you can do when the Thunder shoot the ball like that. I wish the Jazz would have flown around on defense a little more just to at least get the Thunder irritated but they shot lights out. It stinks when Utah had a solid offensive game that the opponent just one ups you.

    I really hope KOC isn't at least THINKING about making a move, this team needs a spark of new life.

  • JBQ Saint Louis, MO
    Feb. 6, 2011 10:00 a.m.

    The previous commenter states how good Boozer was. That is true when his "head was screwed on tight". He faked injuries and tore apart the team with his prima donna airs. Williams appears to be the "air apparent". The team has no chemistry and it's the same story night after night. "We had no energy" from 200K per night players. It is also handy to use Fez as a "whipping boy". He has immense potential and "plays his heart out". He is just a "puppy" and wants to do well. So then, why is he constantly the focus of blame for a squad which "can't shoot straight".

  • nothegame Saratoga Springs, UT
    Feb. 6, 2011 9:43 a.m.

    We had enough offense last night. But no D. are pick and roll D is bad real bad. Boozer pick and roll D was bad also. So lets look some place else. Matthews is doing great so i would have to say 2 guard is the key.

  • B Russ Ephraim, UT
    Feb. 6, 2011 9:42 a.m.

    Sloans is amazing. Last night Fesenko had 4 rebounds and 2 pts in only 5 minutes play and Sloan jerks him out of the lineup after a bush league bogus foul call on Fes. By comparison Elson had 0 rebounds and 2 pts. in 10 minutes of playing time. The night before it was the same thing. Fes 3 rebounds and 2 blocked shots, 2 pts. and some great passing in 5 minutes of play. Elson 1 rebound and 2 pts. in 9 minutes of playing time.

    I believe if Fes were allowed to play more last night he could have helped even out the rebounding and their pick and roll would have been much less effective going to the basket limiting that option.

    Fesenko in 3 years has been developed into nothing more than Sloans whipping boy. I guess that is why they keep him around because Sloan has done nothing to develop him. He has not had a fair chance and is that too much to ask for?

    If Miles had a real job in the real world he would have been fired last night for his poor performance at work.

  • louisiana jazz man Dubach, LA
    Feb. 6, 2011 9:37 a.m.

    milsap plays good def but he cain't def the whole team jefferson's man role around him has to be picked up by sap williams man goes around him who has to pick him up sap opey's man goes around . if only two players play def not to hard to drive on sap and pass to a opean man. kirlinko plays good help def just not 17 mil worth

  • The Great Houdini Rye, CO
    Feb. 6, 2011 9:32 a.m.

    Kakashi,you and others keep saying Millsap is too short.Too short for what? to play against the bigger 4`s? was Barkley too short,Rodman? Move him to the 3 or better yet just adjust his defensive assignment.No he can`t check Gasol or KG or Dirk or Duncan,but who can? He` a solid 18/8 guy,whether he starts or not

  • Mike in Texas Allen, TX
    Feb. 6, 2011 8:56 a.m.

    Still can't defend the 3. That is what is killing the jazz on defense.

  • Aces in the Hole West Jordan, UT
    Feb. 6, 2011 7:49 a.m.

    We all need to take a step back and relize that Boozer was a big piece to this puzzle. The Jazz need his offense, now the Jazz will end 7th and lose in 5. The Jazz have gone away from the pick and roll. Its going to be a long rest of the season

  • Doctor J Manti, UT
    Feb. 6, 2011 7:44 a.m.

    Jazz will battle for the 8 seed again...wow they could actually win the 8 seed as nd a chance for a meaningless first round serier yet again (where they will be bounced in 5 games.

    cj...Matthews, Korver, Brewer...ouch!

  • Kakashi Tokyo, Japan
    Feb. 6, 2011 5:49 a.m.

    we were set with the lineup we had last year....the inclusion of Hayward and Evans would've been an upgrade...with regards to the depth that we have...Millsap...he is good...but...he is just too short...and he needs to be the sixth man...korver even without defense...is a shooter...that's what we were lacking...Matthews may or may not produce as much...here in utah...but the way he defended a taller melo during the playoffs...we could have traded AK...to accomodate both boozer and matthews...the reason why boozer is so good on our system...its because he has range...think about it...even Karl Malone can shoot with range...and can finish...and has one of the fastest hands at his position...we wont be able to get what we had during the stockton-malone era...and with how today's NBA is being played...we need new staff...and players...to compete and be contenders...the only thing constant in this world...are death...taxes...and change...

  • Vince the boonies, mexico
    Feb. 6, 2011 5:25 a.m.

    It's Valentines time Jazz fans, please send your cards full of hearts to these Jazz players because the good lord and everyone they play knows they need one. Also apparently the Jazz team can't afford any video equipment, because if they could you would think that they would watch the better defending teams in this league and see how "they" play defense. I guess when you have 3 players making $200,000 per game it's tough to scrape up the necessary funds to buy any equipment. Just imagine making that kind of money to play a "GAME"? Unbelievable.

  • JFFR Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 6, 2011 1:58 a.m.


    I agree but you are forgetting Earl Watson. He was the only good move. Playing Price limited minutes at the 2 has also kind of worked out (but we were better off with Matthews and Korver playing the 2.)

    Plain and simple:

    Elson>Koufus (but who cares?)

    It's gonna take Jefferson a while to learn to play the Jazz offense really well. I still hold out hope for next year (if there is a next year.) If he can really start to click in the offense, learn the pick and roll, stop relying on his stupid hook shot and start attacking the rim (nice dunk tonight!) then maybe, just maybe Deron Williams and the Jazz can make an all-star out of him. But he's got a long ways to go before he beats out Blake, Duncan, Randolph, Lee, etc.

  • The Great Houdini Rye, CO
    Feb. 5, 2011 11:38 p.m.

    And the yo-yo ride continues,oh, nice game miles

  • Ak Fan Hamburg, GE
    Feb. 5, 2011 10:52 p.m.

    Back to earth.

  • ed Los Olivos, CA
    Feb. 5, 2011 10:52 p.m.

    Westbrook: All Star

  • toddfromsantaana Santa Ana, CA
    Feb. 5, 2011 10:29 p.m.

    We need to ask ourselves all an honest question?

    Are the Jazz really better than last year?


    Jefferson to replace Boozer was a no brainer. The rest of the moves have not panned out. Matthews scored 31 tonight on 5-7 3s. If anyone says Raja is better I will laugh.

    Korver gave the Jazz instant offense off the bench. Elson is a non factor.

    Last night now means nothing. The Jazz are only 2 1.2 ahead of Portland back in 7th and only 3 games into a playoff spot.

    Maybe losing to the Lakers the last 3 years was misleading. Maybe the Jazz were closer last year on a par with everyone else once La starts to slide.

    Now I wonder if we are not further away than ever.

    Tonight the Thunder make adjustments slowing AJ down after hot start, Sloan makes no adjustments as again too much cushion, horrible paint defense and the Thunder still outscored the Jazz by 30 points from 3 point line.

    Sloan pulled Fes and tells him off after a bogus foul call. In the 3rd quarter when the Thunder are rolling, little changes as Evans was needed.

    Nothing ventured. nothing gained

  • Fuzzbrain Pleasant Grove, UT
    Feb. 5, 2011 9:51 p.m.

    The Jazz aren't getting to the free throw line enough. OKC is better than the Jazz at almost every position.