Senate Republicans lose vote on health law

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  • Jash Clearfield, UT
    Feb. 3, 2011 2:23 p.m.

    Re: christoph

    "the will of the people is for health care reform"

    You may want to check Rassmussen polls on that one:

    March 21, 2010: 54% of Voters Oppose the Health Care Plan

    January 31 2011: 58% Favor Repeal of Health Care Law

    The will of the majority, according to Rassmussen, is for repeal.

  • J-TX Allen, TX
    Feb. 3, 2011 11:57 a.m.

    Two issues: Tort reform and more competition by allowing acquiring insurance across state lines.

    These two issues are tantamount to lowering costs. Neither has been addressed by either side of the aisle.

    Why not? Special interest lobbies and government corruption. So it all goes back to the fact that if you have enough money, you can buy a government official.

    When will we see REAL campaign contribution reform? Make it so only individuals can contribute to a politician, and limit those contributions to $1000. Companies do not vote. Lobbies do not vote. PACs do not vote, and we should not allow them to represent us to our elected representatives.

  • my screen name Murray, UT
    Feb. 3, 2011 7:01 a.m.

    re: GWB

    On Tuesday, a federal judge deemed the law unconstitutional, siding with 26 states. So, through their law suit, they deemed it unconstitutional.

    BTW, even you can deem a law unconstitutional through proper legal action.

    I just hope the higher courts uphold this lower court's ruling.

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    Feb. 3, 2011 6:51 a.m.

    Well, we will see how these Senators who voted not to repeal this over-reaching, unaffordable debacle does in their upcomming relection! Let them try to explain it to their constiutents and watch them get voted out of office in droves, just like the last election!

  • hatchna Draper, UT
    Feb. 3, 2011 6:23 a.m.

    christoph - This health care law should have been passed, or a bi-partisan law that really reforms the system that is in place without resorting to government takeover of the healthcare system? The Federal Government has proven time and again that they cannot manage our money, they cannot manage social systems without bankrupting that system (social security anyone?). This is a law that was created through backroom deals, and excluded anything even remotely bi-partisan, and was rammed down the throats of the American people before anyone (including Congress) could read the bill for themselves to determine what exactly would be signed into law. It was dishonest, and the opposite of the "transparency" that Obama and the democrats promised. The healthcare system needs to become simpler, Obamacare just makes it more complicated, convoluted, and expensive. Obamacare needs to be repealed, and true healthcare reform, worked on by all sides, and approved by the American people needs to be instituted. It is possible, but Congress needs to get over themselves, and their quest for power over the citizens of this country. More isn't always better, and in the case of Obamacare, is actually less.

  • Gary Federal Way, WA
    Feb. 3, 2011 5:33 a.m.

    Before healthcare became unaffordable, HMO's came in, also there came in Medicare. When these two came in, more paperwork was required to track all the new codes on their patients. As a result, more specialists in this area of knowledge for paperwork had to be hired by doctors. This raised the costs for seeing a doctor. In the good old days before HMO's and Medicare, or in better words, before all these NEW codes were enacted, it was simple to see a doctor for anything and pay for it in cash or on an agreed pay as you go basis. Now when one goes to see a doctor, the secretary asks what insurance do you have? When I say I don't have insurance, they stare at me like I am a nuthead even when I say I'll be paying cash. It used to be that we were in charge of our own health care and with our own doctors. But now all that has changed, thanks to Medicare and to HMO's. Get rid of all the codes in medical terms and simplify the code and costs will go way down! Think about it.

  • Less Is More Ogden, UT
    Feb. 3, 2011 1:43 a.m.

    What we are getting out of this reform is Socialism, not effecient or market driving change. It will certainly end up like Social Insecurity, bankrupt! It is not sustainable.

    This great country was built on the backs of the self-reliant individuals. Now we crush the backs of the hard worker, making him a servant to the idle.

  • christoph Brigham City, UT
    Feb. 3, 2011 12:04 a.m.

    Catch a man a fish and you can sell it to him, teach him how to fish and you ruin a perfectly good business opportunity.

  • christoph Brigham City, UT
    Feb. 2, 2011 11:58 p.m.

    Mr. Obama ran on health care in 2008 and the will of the people is for health care reform----the people elected him. Most legal experts agree the Supreme Court will NOT repeal the health care law. Let's tweak it where it needs tweaking, but it is here to stay. We are not going backwards; this health care law should have been passed 50 years ago.

  • Less Is More Ogden, UT
    Feb. 2, 2011 10:56 p.m.

    Someone should calculate the true costs of all of the individuals, who despite their good intentions, have become victims of circumstances. It seems that we continually hear about these cases, I wonder how many actually exist? As opposed to the thousands (millions) that siimply do not want to be self-sufficient.

    Is there a better way then changing the entire system to address these extreme cases. Could there be a nonprofit solution, where tax deductible contributions could go toward assisting the truly needy households? Maybe doctors could donate time to provide medical assistances.

  • Less Is More Ogden, UT
    Feb. 2, 2011 10:44 p.m.

    When you teach a man to fish, he will feed himself. If you give a man a fish, you become a politician.

    As this country continues to add to the entitlement population, our nation becomes weaker. Self reliance should always be a household's goal. There are obviously a small number of those who need to be given a fish due to things beyond their control.

    How do we work to help the others to fish for themselves, thus becoming stronger.

  • Frazil man Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Feb. 2, 2011 10:07 p.m.

    Let's see, I don't have health insurance because I was paying 700 a month with a 4000 deductable. In other words, I payed 12,400 out of pocket for health care last year alone. That's equal to working full time around 6.45/hr. Minium wage is 7.50. Health care is not affordable and won't become so by making it mandatory. Here's the deal, the insurance companies agree to pay less to the doctors, but show a higher charge to the patient. Take away the insurance the doctor gives you the same discount. Someone mentioned nothing is free is correct. Someone pays for the "free" service. So if everyone pays their own bill, put a stop to outragious malpractice settlements, lower the cost of medical schooling, then medical service can become more affordable.

  • ouisc Farmington, UT
    Feb. 2, 2011 8:07 p.m.

    Nice job, Republicans, calling out the Democrats that still support this horrible law that was forced down our throats. These Democrats are vulnerable to getting voted out in 2012, especially as people start understanding how this law doesn't help them as much as they wish.

    There are some nice features of the law, but the means of funding it are irresponsible and lack any foresight.

    It's unfortunate we couldn't repeal. That makes getting specific input on true healthcare reform a little trickier.

    But the path forward is good. The law will likely be deemed unconstitutional by the Supreme Court (thanks for wasting so much time and money on something so elementary, Dems). Then, we can get to work addressing medical waste, insurance exchanges, and universal coverage.

  • TRUTH Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 2, 2011 8:03 p.m.

    it was a set-up....for 2012!

    Now they are on the the Libs excuses for Voting yes today the next two years as they watch their Senate careers fizzle in failure!

  • KM Cedar Hills, UT
    Feb. 2, 2011 7:56 p.m.

    Dearest libs
    King Harry says that seniors would loose the FREE health checkup. Well now isn't that the problem? NOTHING is for free. Thats what this last election was about.
    Also, dearest dems/socialists, why the $600 IRS reporting clause in the health care bill? That should be a separate issue altogether. I guess we had to pass the bill to find out such things????

  • GWB West Jordan, UT
    Feb. 2, 2011 7:27 p.m.

    "patriot", when you say "Those senate democrat's who are up for re-election in 2012 are now going to have to defend their "no to repeal" vote," it raises a question for me.

    Can you show me specifically the language where they voted against repealing the Affordable Care Act?

    The reality that you miss is that Democrats voted against waiving Senate rules to require any bill that would increase the deficit to be offset by spending cuts to other programs.

    They voted against increasing the deficit!!!, something the TEA partiers say they want.

  • Alfred SLC, Utah
    Feb. 2, 2011 7:08 p.m.

    @pikap1868 5:20 p.m.:

    "If the Republicans did what the voters asked them to do then where's their plan?"

    Try the Internet. Two issues: Tort reform and more competition by allowing acquiring insurance across state lines.

    "Furthermore, where's the jobs the voters asked to get?..."

    Taken by the millions of illegal immigrants (and yes, some legal immigrants with work visas).

  • Neanderthal SLC, Utah
    Feb. 2, 2011 6:53 p.m.

    @patriot 5:06 p.m.: "Those senate democrat's who are up for re-election in 2012 are now going to have to defend their 'no to repeal' vote..."

    We need their names so the word can get out leading up to the next election... These guys are history.

  • Miss Piggie SLC, Utah
    Feb. 2, 2011 6:48 p.m.

    @Kimber 4:52 p.m.:

    "No longer will insurance companies be allowed to kick children off their parents plan for their age."

    Twenty-six year old offspring are not children.

    "She was offered a high risk plan (which she is worked), but neither she or I could afford it."

    Get rid of your cell phone, i-pod, cable TV, stereo, Internet, buy your clothes at second-hand stores, and stop eating out every week, and stop taking vacations and buying new cars and perhaps you can afford the insurance you need. What you want is to have all these niceties and have someone else pay for your health care. Grow up.

  • TwoCents Cedar City, UT
    Feb. 2, 2011 6:46 p.m.

    I don't think that Obamacare is the answer, but it has surely woken America up to seriously look at the problem. We SHOULD NOT go back to where it was. Basically healthcare is out of control. I think that politicians should quit pointing fingers and jumping through hoops to save their political position and make the difference that will help us in the best way.

    This is the US for crying out loud, you think we could figure out how to take care of our people.

  • peter Alpine, UT
    Feb. 2, 2011 6:32 p.m.

    Scarey Reed talks like he's read the bill. Very unlikely! Florida federal judge Vinson ruled the bill unconstitutional. It will never get past the Supreme Court. And remember folks, Matheson voted not to repeal this bill.

  • kiaoraguy Provo, UT
    Feb. 2, 2011 6:27 p.m.

    Obamacare is like the Deathstar to small business- the backbone of American success

  • GWB West Jordan, UT
    Feb. 2, 2011 6:17 p.m.

    "J1234" you said "As more states deem the bill unconstitutional, it will fall."

    I'm puzzled, because when I took civics in the 7th grade, I learned that the Judicial Branch of the Federal Government is the part of our government that can determine whether a bill is unconstitutional.

    Can you please tell me where you learned that states get to "Deem a bill unconstitutional"????

    As I read the US Constitution, there is nothing that grants the states the right to deem any bill unconstitutional.

    Please show me the statement in the US Constitution that allows what you say to happen.

  • JNA Layton, UT
    Feb. 2, 2011 5:54 p.m.

    This goes to prove the complete arrogance of the Democratic Party. This has nothing whatsoever to do with the will of the people, this has to do with the Democratic Party always knowing what is better for us. Liberals are such a laughing stock.

  • MenaceToSociety Draper, UT
    Feb. 2, 2011 5:43 p.m.

    That's weird that the Democrats think that insurance companies should not be able to drop the coverage of Americans and their families just because they get something like cancer and their cancer treatments will negatively affect their bottom line. Good job saying no to the insurance company death panels.

    I find it unbelievable that Republicans like Orrin Hatch think that treatment of American families by the health insurance industry is OK. We should all look forward to 2014 when that portion of the health care bill goes into effect.

  • Go Big Blue!!! Bountiful, UT
    Feb. 2, 2011 5:34 p.m.

    Wow! Abolute shocker!

  • pikap1868 Layton, UT
    Feb. 2, 2011 5:20 p.m.

    @patriot- If the Republicans did what the voters asked them to do then where's their plan? I do recall them saying something like "Repeal and Replace!". Furthermore, where's the jobs the voters asked to get?... I'll be waiting patiently for an answer.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Feb. 2, 2011 5:12 p.m.

    A day to celibrate ... is coming when the Supreme Court votes 5-4 (as predicted) to repeal Obamacare. I can't wait. Just to see that smug, arrogant smirk disapear from Obama's face and be replaced with a Jimmy Carter "deer in the head lights" look will be worth it.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Feb. 2, 2011 5:06 p.m.

    this is ok. The GOP did what the voters back on November 2 asked them to do. Those senate democrat's who are up for re-election in 2012 are now going to have to defend their "no to repeal" vote and based on how un-popular Obamacare was in Nov 2010 I suspect it will be much more unpopular in 2012 once more folks start seeing their premiums increase and their care decrease (as is currently happening). I suspect the senate dem's will see a blood bath in 2012 just like their house counter parts did in 2010. When you arogantly ignore the will of the people there is a heavy political price to pay.

  • xscribe Colorado Springs, CO
    Feb. 2, 2011 4:54 p.m.

    This should not be a surprise to anyone. Now that both parties have had their fun, it's time this issue went to the Supreme Court to be settled once and for all, no matter what the outcome. And it needs to be done sooner rather than later so these people who "play" with our lives can get on to other important business.

  • J1234 Spanish Fork, Utah
    Feb. 2, 2011 4:53 p.m.

    That's ok... Just the beginning. As more states deem the bill unconstitutional, it will fall.

  • Kimber Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 2, 2011 4:52 p.m.

    This law is a good one to help many people. My family and I are some of those. No longer will insurance companies be allowed to kick children off their parents plan for their age. No longer will insurance companies be able to deny them for their medical history (my daughter had open heart surgery at the age of two) After she reached 19 she was no longer allowed on my plan and when I tried to get a personal plan for her she was denied for the medical history. She was offered a high risk plan (which she is worked), but neither she or I could afford it. Many people are in the same boat where they can't afford these "high risk" plans or Cobra. This is the USA! We should be civilized and caring and this bill will greatly help that.
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