BYU football: Independence hasn't been a factor in recruiting

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  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    Feb. 2, 2011 10:36 a.m.

    Re: GACougar and cynic

    Bashing Washington State?

    You do realize that Washinton State has been to the Rose Bowl twice since BYU has done anything of relevance on a national scale.

    But, keep the faith and never let the facts get in the way of the spin.

  • cynic Appleton, WI
    Feb. 2, 2011 10:19 a.m.

    Chuckle. Chuckle. Another article about BYU with comments dominated by utelovers. Some of you kids need to move out of your mom's basement, or finish your lunch and head back to middle school.

    Face it: BYU has always recruited from a different pool than anyone else. They have never had top-ranked recruiting classes. Independence will not change this.

    If you think an independent BYU will have recruiting difficulties, imagine what a cellar-dwelling 12-PAC program will face. Have you seen Washington State's recruiting stats?

  • byu_num_1 Holladay, UT
    Feb. 2, 2011 12:37 a.m.

    BYU has had at least 2 four-star commits from scout for the past 6 years, some years more than 2 players.
    This is the first year in the Bronco era that BYU has zero 4-star commits, and no 4-star players were ever interested in BYU.

    This independence thing could be a huge problem.

  • Osgrath Provo, UT
    Feb. 1, 2011 11:15 p.m.

    Howard S., we get it. You hate BYU, all it stands for and all who are associated with it. That's cool. You are guaranteed the right to love or hate as you desire.

    On the other hand, as anybody with expertise in psychology knows, hatred cankers the soul. I think if you take a live and let live attitude toward BYU, you will find your life to be much more fulfilling and meaningful. After all, all your antipathy is not going to bring the university or its football program down. I happen to love my Cougars, and nothing you can say will change that or even make me feel badly. I also love to see the Utes win - they represent my state and I have good friends who belong to the Crimson Club.

    I just don't understand the hatred that you, Chris B. and Hedgehog express on a continual basis. It seems like it would be a burden.

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    Feb. 1, 2011 6:33 p.m.

    Re: Bluto

    Never let the facts get in the way of the spin.

    Repeat it often enough and you might begin to believe it yourself.

    There is a story about wrestling with a pig for which I have a new found appreciation.

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    Feb. 1, 2011 6:17 p.m.


    Even Utah is not getting pac-10 money.

    Again, for the umpteenth time, no TV money next year for U. 5 years before you are a full partner.

    And only if the new TV deal exceeds 170 million.

    By then your expansion plans and momentum will have been stifled.

    Snag...BYU and Texas have created a new model, USC, Stanford, Washington, Oregon et al, will not be sharing fully with Utah and Washington State when the dust settles.

    Unlike Utah, BYU has contracts.

    ESPN must televise min of 4 BYU games, have the rights up to 8

    Already 4 games are scheduled, most likely 4-6.

    Remember BYU, before the cruddy mtn. network deal, was on ESPN 5-6 times a year.

    BYU can monetize the same day ESPN broadcasts and the BYU-TV broadcasts as well.

    Also local/National hybrids are a possibility.

    BYU keeps all bowl money.

    BYU is already scheduling million dollar games WVU 2.5 mil, pending TCU game 1.5-2 mil. Oklahoma game paid 1.5 mil.

    On top of that, BYU will be paid for the Basketball games broadcasts.

    Conservative estimates, have BYU's haul next year at 10-12 million

    Utah 0

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    Feb. 1, 2011 5:49 p.m.

    Re: Bluto
    Re: 3grandslams

    Here are the facts my blue-googled friends.

    On Sept. 1st ESPN and BYU announced an eight year deal to broadcast a minimum of three games per year.

    No financial arrangements were disclosed.

    On Sept. 2nd Dick Harmon estimated the per game payout to range from $700,000 to $1.2 million.

    So, if you take the leap that Dick's estimate is correct, ESPN has a commitment of $2.1 to $3.6 million to BYU.

    Will BYU actually get a bigger payout than that from ESPN? Probably.

    But the truth is no one knows. And if they do know they aren't posting it on the DN comment board.

    And beyond that, to suggest that BYU is getting PAC12 money simply cannot be supported by the known facts.

    However, what can be supported by the facts is that Utah will get PAC12 money.

  • GACougar Atlanta, GA
    Feb. 1, 2011 5:49 p.m.

    BYU has a contract with the "World Wide Leader in Sports" and EVERY GAME will be broadcast nationwide for the whole nation to see and the Yoots have regional broadcasts for how many games each season? I live in Atlanta. They never show the bottom dwellers of the PAC back here. The Yoots glory years are behind them. Both of them!!!

    You and Washington State will surely enjoy being in a BCS conference. But cheer up, Colorado will enjoy keeping you company.

    You only won the MIGHTY MWC once under Kyle's leadership. Yep, sounds like you will surely dominate the 12-PAC.

    What a joke.

  • TJ Eagle Mountain, UT
    Feb. 1, 2011 4:14 p.m.

    Fan29, Got news for you; BYU did win many in-state recruits that Utah offered. Last year BYU had a higher ranked class than Utah. Utah probably will be rated slightly higher than BYU this year but that is skewed by the fact that BYU was not after offensive (talent) positions and that they have a bunch of good athletes coming off missions. I do think that playing an independent schedule against Notre Dame, Texas, Pac 12 teams, and other big time programs from several BCS conferences will be at least as big a recruiting advantage as playing in the PAC 12. Whichever team has the best season will have an immediate advantage. Whichever team has the best long-term success will have another advantage. The biggest advantage will be to BYU because certain players, mostly LDS will not settle for less. That is why BYU will always have the advantage. It is a matter of class and honor. Something the no-class-crew will never understand.

  • 3grandslams Iowa City, IA
    Feb. 1, 2011 3:28 p.m.

    Misleading headline. In other words, Independence hasn't hurt Cougs one bit.

    re: howard s. When ESPN announced the contract they said 8 games on ESPN, it was then estimated that each game would get 1.2-2 million per game. In broadcast alone, BYU will get what Utah will get for the entire year after they share with the rest of the PAC 12. We still need to add in 4 more games or 5. Plus BYU will keep ALL profits from the gate and all money from a bowl game.

    Did you think BYU wouldn't do this if they didn't think they could make money? So Bluto was wrong, BYU's money will equal or exceed PAC 12 money paid to each team.

  • MacNasty Rexburg, ID
    Feb. 1, 2011 2:43 p.m.

    Re: Howard S.

    Speaking of money Howard, your unemployment check is probably ready for pick up. Don't forget to vacuum your momma's basement before you leave to get it.

    Oh by the way, weren't you the Ute fan that insanely insisted that SDSU had a bad football team? Yeah, I think so.

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    Feb. 1, 2011 2:24 p.m.

    Re: Bluto will equal PAC 12 money?

    You don't know how much money BYU gets from ESPN.

    If you do, state your source and prove me wrong.

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    Feb. 1, 2011 1:52 p.m.


    The ESPN deal is for ABC, ESPN or ESPN-2...All on the Basic Tier

    BYU-TV is also on Basic Tier.

    No upgrade necessary at all.

    If you think, telling a recruit "That every single game in Football and Basketball will be carried on National TV", and that, that will not enhance recruiting, then you are simply naive.

    And as Utah's and some other schools recruits see that they will be on just a few games Regionally and most likely never on the National broadcasts that this won't make any difference either, again, naive.

    BYU. I believe is in a very desireable position for Exposure and Access. The $, not their primary motivation, will also equal Pac-12 money.

  • Alex 1 Tucson, AZ
    Feb. 1, 2011 1:46 p.m.

    Big J:
    "...BYUs run at independence will be short lived.

    Have fun. GO Utes! "

    Why are you all of a sudden so concerned with BYU's well being? I can assure you we will have fun and we are looking forward to it.

    Look, I wish the best to Utah in the PAC 12. I don't begrudge Utah for going for the PAC 12 offer, even though I am happy that BYU is going independent. The PAC 12 works for Utah, just not for us.

  • Big J Bountiful, UT
    Feb. 1, 2011 1:23 p.m.

    The independence model does not work. That is why there are only three, soon to be four, D1 schools that are independent. 20 years ago there were 20+.

    Who are they, Notre Dame, Army and Navy and soon, BYU. Army and Navy make it thanks to the tax payers. Notre Dame has the real TV deal CBS, BCS access, large fan base (68+ million Catholics in the US)and tradition.

    BYU has none of those. BYUs run at independence will be short lived.

    Have fun. GO Utes!

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    Feb. 1, 2011 1:05 p.m.

    If independence was everything the BYU spin machine would have us believe, recruits should be flocking to BYU for the opportunity to play on ESPN's weeknight schedule as a non-AQ independent.

  • BluCoug Provo, UT
    Feb. 1, 2011 11:58 a.m.

    @ fan29

    Oh but they will, who wants to play for a cellar dweller team in the pac 12 especially the utes. And who wants to play for a team subject to blackouts or very limited regional coverage?

    Recruits want to play for exposure, schedule and utes have to rely on Pac to give them TV rights where as BYU will be on the ESPN family network or their own TV networks, LIVE week in week out and replays throughout the week.

    BYU will be just fine, especially when Texas and USC and other large schools declare their independence following the BYU model. In the end schools like utah will be hurting.

  • mream Parker, CO
    Feb. 1, 2011 11:40 a.m.

    Thanks for the input, "Big J" and other utes. You are, of course, welcome to your opinions, but we don't actually care what you think.

    Good luck in the PAC 12

  • crowntown1 Corona, CA
    Feb. 1, 2011 10:23 a.m.

    Your gonna have to win to keep that TV deal.

  • Big J Bountiful, UT
    Feb. 1, 2011 10:13 a.m.

    Going independent is not a selling tool for any recruit. No matter how hard you try to "spin" it.

    It is a bad deal. Front end loaded tough schedule, with multiple losses with a weak ending schedule of boring games is not what recruits want. Add to that no conference championship and no access to BCS games.

    Independence will only hurt BYU. It will end up ruining the Football program like it has, already, for all their other programs.

    Go Utes!

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    Feb. 1, 2011 9:42 a.m.

    Recruiting is not the science it's made out to be. Jimmer only got offers from two D1 teams and now he's in the conversation for player of the year. Texas has had a Top 5 recruiting class for the past five years and couldn't produce a winning record in 2010.

    SI ranks Utah's 2011 recruiting class as 50 and BYU as 56 (very close). But last year, BYU's recruiting class was much higher than Utah's. Also, the recruiting services don't take into account the RM's. If Hine's and Sorensen's return were accounted for, BYU would easily be in the Top 50.

    For those who make a mockery of BYU playing the WAC, let me remind you it is only for two years while they work out the Indy schedule. Even with the WAC; BYU will play Ole Miss, Texas, Oregon State, Utah, Hawaii and TCU (a game that is about to be added) in 2011. Are Utah's Top 6 games any more difficult? I don't think so!

  • dhsalum Saint George, UT
    Feb. 1, 2011 9:25 a.m.

    fan32-- As far as I know, ESPNU is on the basic package for directv and dish.. but I may be wrong.

  • fan29 Orem, UT
    Feb. 1, 2011 9:22 a.m.

    This comment by Bronco -"I don't think that we will lose, or gain, a single recruit because of conference affiliation. " If he and BYU believe this statement, they are in Never, Never Land. If they think a in-state young man will take a Independent School over a Pac 12 they are dreaming. Maybe they got through this year, but it will catch up with them within a couple of years.

  • AFCoug Colorado Springs, CO
    Feb. 1, 2011 9:21 a.m.

    Having lived all over the world I have never been anywhere there are not Cougar fans, to include Iraq and Afghanistan. It is great they are coming back to ESPN so those deployed Cougar fans can again watch them while overseas.

    Independence will be a great thing for the Cougs. I usually have to hear from SEC or Big 12 fans about how weak a conferance the MWC is. Without a conferance affiliation that will no longer be the case. Granted their schedule is not the greatest next year but I suspect that will only get better. Still they are playing Ole Miss, Texas, Utah, Oregon St, and according to ESPN possibly TCU in November. That is 5 teams from a major conferance. Sure it has some gimme games but so does everyone else in the country. Name any of the quality schools BSU beat last year or the year before that. Formula worked pretty good (and will continue to work good in the future in a weak MWC) for BSU all those years.

  • fan32 St. George, Utah
    Feb. 1, 2011 8:33 a.m.

    Is ESPNU or some of the other espn stations not upgrade packages. I think they are. So aren't BYU fans going to have to upgrade anyway to see half the games? Could someone in the know please respond to this?

  • IDC Boise, ID
    Feb. 1, 2011 8:12 a.m.

    This will be interesting. Does it make a difference to a recruit that their parents and friends will be able to see ever single game they play in regardless of where they live in the country without upgrading their cable package?

  • hedgehog Ann Arbor, MI
    Feb. 1, 2011 7:38 a.m.

    Brokno -"I don't think that we will lose, or gain, a single recruit because of conference affiliation. "

    Hence the unranked recuriting class of 2010.

    Nothing will change. BYU will beat up on Idaho St. and lose (in HD!) to elite programs.

  • TJ Eagle Mountain, UT
    Feb. 1, 2011 12:54 a.m.

    Live hard said; you'll never see a BCS bowl game and playing the mighty weak WAC left overs will get you no where close to the BIG BUCKS!!! Why is this? It is the same thing Utah, BSU, Hawaii and TCU did to get to a BCS game. BYU did it in 1984 and won a NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP. You can see the trophy in Provo.
    She is wrong on nearly all BYU predictions and her obsessed and jealousy inspired wishing will not come true. BYU will continue to grown nationally and will be one of the big boys of College football. National relevance, national prominence and nationwide exposure playing many of the top teams in the nation every year. Strength of schedule will be higher than the school you pretend to be a fan of every year. So enjoy your regional exposure and your big bucks...eventually. BYU will start collecting in about 7 months. You say that the two teams are headed in different directions. For your teams sake, I hope that isn't true. BYU is headed up with a very bright future.