Utah Utes football: Facing a 'different deal' for pursuing prospects in Pac-12

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  • J1234 Spanish Fork, Utah
    Feb. 2, 2011 5:19 p.m.

    I think it's great that Utah is doing pretty well at recruiting, but this years recruiting isn't as good as BYU's 2010 recruits so far. I'm guessing that could change. Either way, not that great, Hedgehog... for someone touting the fact that your recruiting will be SO much better as a Pac member. Remember, BYU as a member of the MWC was able to get 3 "4 star" recruits. How many do you have now?

  • J1234 Spanish Fork, Utah
    Feb. 2, 2011 5:02 p.m.

    I wonder if hedgehog and DeVonte Christopher are good friends? They both seem to have big mouths with nothing to show for it.

  • crowntown1 Corona, CA
    Feb. 1, 2011 11:53 p.m.

    What BYU? LOL . ."Your best player thinks he's a pirate"

  • UteMan South Jordan, UT
    Feb. 1, 2011 9:50 p.m.

    Denham in...Peterson next

    The difference this year is that Utah is in the door with kids that would not have even listened last year and most of these kids like to make a big deal on signing day. If we pick up 2-3 out of the 9 or so that will decide tomorrow, it will be a great class.

    Hopefully we can get an update from Duckhunter tomorrow night on how the rankings finish up....

  • panamadesnews Lindon, UT
    Feb. 1, 2011 8:18 p.m.

    PAC 12 Loves U:

    Until you realize that BYU had been working on going independent for some time - at least as long as The Mtn has existed, and probably longer. Why do you think BYU built a state of the art broadcast facility? The U going to the Pac 10 (now 12) only helped define the right time for them to pull the trigger, maybe a little sooner than they probably would have otherwise.

  • panamadesnews Lindon, UT
    Feb. 1, 2011 7:46 p.m.

    Chris B: You need to learn how to count. The #3 team would be USU. I think you are referring to the team with the funny rules as being BYU. BYU and Utah would be the #1 and #2 teams. You pick the order - your order will be different than mine!

  • panamadesnews Lindon, UT
    Feb. 1, 2011 7:37 p.m.

    both schools will be working much harder for the blue chip recruits. BYU may receive a greater share of the LDS blue chippers, because of the their religious affiliation, but probably not a significantly greater share. It will be a battle for both schools, however.

  • panamadesnews Lindon, UT
    Feb. 1, 2011 7:31 p.m.

    My opinion is that Utah will not pick up many, if any, additional blue chip 5 star players than they have received in the past. Perhaps even fewer. Those players will choose the more prestigious west coast schools over Utah. But look for Utah to pick up more mid range 3 & 4 star players that generally go to conferences such as the MWC. They will choose Utah because they will want the added prestige of playing for a BCS school as well as the added exposure not available in the MWC due to the MWC's tv contract. Look for Utah's recruiting to be down somewhat in quality, but up marginally in quantity. With the exposure question solved for both Utah and BYU

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    Feb. 1, 2011 5:38 p.m.

    BYU's ranking is down this ye,r partially because they will only sign 15 recruits.

    Lots of RM's and some transfers will fill the void to 25 or so.

    They are not factored into the recruiting equations.

    Of these 9 or 10 not counted, there are 2,3 and some 4 star rated athletes, when they came out of High School.

    You do receive additional points per recruit, so just by virtue of signing 20 or 25 recruits you are alloted more points under the system.

    Facts for what they're worth.

  • hedgehog Ann Arbor, MI
    Feb. 1, 2011 5:24 p.m.


    Currently Rivals has Utah at 35 BYU Not ranked
    Currently Scout has Utah at 48 BYU 60th

    Utah has a real shot at 5 additional 4 star recruites ( that we know of) and the distance will only be bigger tomorrow.

    Would you like me to provide a "trend" from say 2004 to today. Trust me you wouldn't like the results.

  • Veritas Aequitas Fruit Heights, UT
    Feb. 1, 2011 5:22 p.m.

    Big_Ben | 9:48 a.m. Feb. 1, 2011
    Centerville, UT
    But guys! BYU's recruiting class is awesome! They beat out Buffalo and New Mexico State and now have a solid verbal from Adam Pulsipher! They are going to dominate the utes!

    Ben, are you still going to represent yourself, as in the DNews article, as someone that hates the negatives of the rivalry?

    I think both schools did well, for what they have already, and what they have in the pipeline...

    Apparently, you feel BYU has lost in areas of need. Please say where and why!

    Do you mind clarifying the issue?

    And while you are at it, either state that we can get along, or that you feel that you align with Chris B, Hedgehog, Uteology, utahcountyute, and navalvet, etc.

    BenWhite, take a side. Either you are the unbised voice of reason, or a fanatic!!!

    Make the choice babe...

    But then, live with who you are. It's OK to be who you are, but please don't be someone that you are not...

  • Ute4life Sandy, UT
    Feb. 1, 2011 4:49 p.m.

    To the couple of y fans that have wished Utah well... thank you. To the rest of you haters and trolls and your oh so insightful and intelligent predictions... where DID you find that crystal ball that you're using to predict Utah's successes/failures in the PAC12? Did you scrounge it out of the dumpster you threw it in a few years ago after making up thousands of 'Quest' shirts? Chanting 'BCS' after breaking a huddle etc.? You are diluting the y fans that have intelligent and objective comments to make.
    In that regard... its hard to say what's going to happen w/ these two teams parting ways. They are both certainly at a crossroads and both NEED successful seasons over the next 3-5 years to stay relevant.
    I'm hoping the Utes can take advantage of their recent BCS busting, USCs down time, etc. to bolster their chances at success.

  • Duckhunter American Fork, UT
    Feb. 1, 2011 4:46 p.m.

    @pac 12 loves you

    Where is the evidence that utahs recruiting has increased big time? They currently have the 50th ranked recruiting class compared to BYU's 59th ranked class. Those rankings include denham. Do you just say things to make yourself feel good or do you actually think first?

  • govt rocks Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 1, 2011 3:51 p.m.

    There is no question recruiting is different. Much more difficult to convince 4 and 5 star recruits to SLC than it is to some of the other destinations in the PAC12. SLC is far better of a place than Pullman and many would say better than the LA area, but a lot of kids want the things and lifestyle that LA, Phoenix, Boulder, Berkley, Eugene and Seattle offer. SLC is becoming a much more diverse place than it was 10 or 20 years ago, and that will appeal to some. The value of coaches cannot be underestimated. They can turn good players into great ones.

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    Feb. 1, 2011 3:25 p.m.

    Hedgehog says:

    "We don't get many of your "type" in this part of the country. Our only real point of reference to your "ilk" is Footloose or Napoleon Dynamite.

    So enlightened, Thank You Archie Bunker. Your
    U of U Education is showing.

    I suppose by "Ilk" and "Your Type" you are refering to "Mormons" or "BYU fans".

    In your "Pretend" Neck of the Woods, Ann Arbor, there are 150k Mormons in Michigan, Illinois and Indiana.

    There are Stakes in Ann Arbor, South Bend , Lansing etc. That would be Thousands of "Those types" and "Ilks".

    30 RM's on Utah's team, 5 Mormon Coaches, are they the right "Ilk" for you Hedgie?


    Reality check....

    BYU has talked of Independence for 10 years, planned for it for 5 and began building it's Broadcast Center and Hardwired all facilities for HD, 3 years before Utah's invite to the Pac 10.

    I know it strokes your ego to think that BYU draws every breath with Utah in mind, but the truth is, the "Facts" don't support you dilusional supposition.

  • PAC 12 loves U Sandy, Utah
    Feb. 1, 2011 2:54 p.m.

    To all you zoobs claiming that Utah will be bottom dwellers in the PAC 12. Those remarks are out of jealousy! Your Independence is a direct response to Utah's big PAC 12 invite. The whole byu organization can call it more exposure, more revenue, or whatever all they want. But, declaring your Independence two months after Utah Joined the PAC 12 seems ironic to me. Utah's recruting has increased big time and will only get better as time goes on.

    GO UTES!!!

  • Summertime Provo, UT
    Feb. 1, 2011 2:49 p.m.

    Ok Denham is a good pickup but he is not a High School 4 or 5 star but a JC kid. He did not want to leave the West and the offer he want from SC did not happen.

  • nothegame Saratoga Springs, UT
    Feb. 1, 2011 2:44 p.m.

    I hope they both get who they are after. I know that Utah will need better and more athletes than the Y to compete. The utes play in the pac 12 not the WAC.

  • hedgehog Ann Arbor, MI
    Feb. 1, 2011 2:06 p.m.


    South Bend is 3 1/2 hour drive from Ann Arbor... a no, we don't get many of your "type" in this part of the country. Our only real point of reference to your ilk is Footloose or Napoleon Dynamite.

    As far as Ainge, I was referring to the way he grabbed Tree Rollins around the ankles.... classic.

  • Veritas Aequitas Fruit Heights, UT
    Feb. 1, 2011 2:03 p.m.

    Naval Vet is back...

    What a breath of fresh air to class up the board. I was forgetting how to spell "zoob" and "td'S"...

    Utah will always get some recruits, and some players will mature in the program.

    Nice that Scalley is happy where they sit now, and any additional commits are gravy.

    Good luck Utes.

    Little curious that Hedgehog used an "Oral Roberts" comparison.

  • Ibleedcrimson Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Feb. 1, 2011 2:00 p.m.

    Utah fans, STOP pandering to the bitter BYU fans. Your wanted the big leagues now you have it so start ignoring the handfull of haters that log onto Utah articles and post their drivel and start acting like your part of the big leagues. If you take the same crap to their boards, you're one of them a mid level fan.

    The vast majority of BCS football fans wouldn't waste a single word replying to a BYU fan they simply just don't factor into the big league discussions unless your team is playing them as a tune up, then it's a bit of a novelty.

    Remember the opposite of love isn't hate, it's indifference and thats what we should reserve for the Bluto's and Duckhunters of the world.

  • Real Bass Idaho Falls, ID
    Feb. 1, 2011 1:41 p.m.

    Come on ute fans, you can't afford to have Y fans leave you alone. Your tv ratings etc will dive since there are only about 3500 of you based on bb attendance.

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    Feb. 1, 2011 1:37 p.m.

    Ignoramus Alert

    Tree rollins bit Ainge's finger, not the other way around.

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    Feb. 1, 2011 1:33 p.m.

    Tell the Holy Fathers at Notre Dame they are not a Religious Instituion. You must be Catholic to be Head Coach.

    It was Men of the Cloth that met Urban Meyer at SLC Airport in hopes of enticing him to South Bend.

    They do have an honor code, granted, an alcohol provision is not included.

    I sincerely doubt you have Season Tickets to Notre Dame. Show us your ticket stub!

    You really get around Ann Arbor, South Bend, etc. We all know you are a Salt Lake County Troll, profile notwithstanding.

    According to Rivals and Scout, of the top 20 Utah recruits....
    BYU got 9 and Utah got 9, in one service,
    The other one BYU got 8 and Utah got 6.

    the rest went out of State or to U-State, etc.

    Spare the "Red Herring" argument, Nobody at BYU claims to be Notre Dame, all you need to know however, is that ESPN is paying Millions for BYU's Brand and BYU's teams will be on National TV every week.

    Utah's teams will not, that is an indisputable fact.

    U will fade away as they wait years for their Pac-12 money...

    Recruits will absolutely Notice....

  • hedgehog Ann Arbor, MI
    Feb. 1, 2011 1:11 p.m.

    Whats runs faster and is a foot taller than the average tds football player?

    Anthony Denham, WR (4 star) a 6-foot-6 4.49

    Just gave the utes his verbal today.

    The tds might have to pull a Danny ange attack on Tree Rollings to bring this kid down.


  • Kankles Miami, Florida
    Feb. 1, 2011 1:10 p.m.

    I dont think BYU has picked up football recruits because there Mens volleyball team won the conference championship, do you? Utah just got a commitment from Anthony Denham four star recruit from L.A. he had offers to oregon, washington, arizona,LSU,georgia, nebraska, ole miss,and others. So basically while you were typing your post you were proven wrong by Denham commiting 5 minutes ago.
    Where is my boy Duckhunter? he said the utes wouldnt sign any top athletes besides Langi. His mommy must not let him get online until his homework is done and his room is clean.

  • butters Salt Lake city, UT
    Feb. 1, 2011 12:53 p.m.

    i go into this pac 12 thing a little optimistic but i always try to be real about it too. i think utah has laid a body of work in the past decade that has received good national attention and will be able to pull in solid recruits. the elite guys will be a few years off, but a good thing about being in the pac 12 is that maybe a year or two down the road some of these usc and oregon kids that utah had to fight for and lost end up not enjoying it where they're at or they don't find their way into the depth chart and so they transfer away and fall back to the U. i don't say that to establish that the utes need to get all the fall back guys, but people who say joining the pac 12 won't help the recruiting process at all are totally wrong. this opens up doors to the kids that otherwise never would have looked utah's direction.

  • Al Bundy murray, ut
    Feb. 1, 2011 12:19 p.m.

    Bluto, why are you on this blog? Step on over to your own blog!

    I think it will be a bit different for the Ute recruiters going in, they will adjust and learn the Pac 12 ins and outs, and each year will improve!

  • Ted H. Midvale, UT
    Feb. 1, 2011 12:12 p.m.


    Was the kid considering byu?

    Did bronco say "BYU will get every single recruit in the entire country?"

    The team can't have 20,000 kids bud.

    If he was considering Central Florida, Cincinnati, and Utah then bronco's statement has nothing to do with this.

    But you stay classy bud.

  • TheHailstorm South Weber, UT
    Feb. 1, 2011 11:45 a.m.

    we will not lose a recruit because of conference affiliation ?

    " Anthony Denham, a 6-foot-6 receiver out of East Los Angeles Junior College, was torn between Central Florida, Cincinnati and Utah until he met with new Utah offensive coordinator Norm Chow, who gave him a comparison he couldn't pass up."
    Lya Wodraska-- SL Tribune.
    Denham said getting to know co-coordinator Aaron Roderick and Utah's future in the Pac-10 were other factors that went into his decision.
    "I felt comfortable there and I liked the coaches and I liked the idea of them going to the Pac-10, that is going to be a good experience."
    Bronco just keeps the Ute fans in material to work with. How's that foot taste ?

  • Summertime Provo, UT
    Feb. 1, 2011 11:44 a.m.

    The real battle is for the top in state talent, it will a lot years before Utah or BYU can recruit 4 or 5 star athletes outside of Utah except for and occassional QB. BYU's best bet is to make it into the Big 12 then some "real" athletes may start to show up. Utah will do fine in the PAC 12 but not 10-2 fine more like 8-4 or 9-3 fine. They are also going to get destroyed in some of the other sports.

  • hedgehog Ann Arbor, MI
    Feb. 1, 2011 11:05 a.m.

    "AND, you're NOT Notre Dame"


    Yes, the delusional pounding of this war drum just doesent fly. Zoobies beleive ND is some type of kindred spirit because it's a "religous insitution".

    As a ND season ticket holder, I'll let you in on a little know fact... the majority of their athletic recruites are not Catholic. ND does not mandate rediculous "honor" codes. ND draws NATIONALLY from a diverse universe of athletes.

    ND is not thought of as a religous school PERIOD.

    Look at Oral Roberts as your comparison.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Feb. 1, 2011 10:40 a.m.


    "Independents are not Mid-Majors, the only Mid-Major is this discussion are the Utah Utes."

    Silly backward frantic and emotional zoob. Utah is in the Pac-12. We're in the BIG leagues now. But YOU aren't. As an Independent, the tdS is NOT affiliated with an AQ conference, AND, you're NOT Notre Dame. Ergo, you ARE a mid-major.


  • MAFU Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 1, 2011 10:39 a.m.

    @ Bluto

    You're right. Your team is full of


  • TheHailstorm South Weber, UT
    Feb. 1, 2011 10:33 a.m.

    Coach of the Year-- 1

    All Americans this year--3

  • MAFU Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 1, 2011 10:33 a.m.

    The only school in the PAC-12 that can really play the facilities card is the University of Nike at Eugene. SC's digs in South Central are nothing to write home about.

    Dr. Hill has clearly stated that as the Utes ramp up to the PAC-12 that new facilities (sports medicine, expanded football offices, and the South End Zone at RES) will be built to be on par with the rest of the PAC-12.

    Zoobs, keep the UofU & WAZZU comparisons coming. I always enjoy a good laugh in the morning to get my day started off on the right foot.

  • hedgehog Ann Arbor, MI
    Feb. 1, 2011 10:12 a.m.


    Go ask:
    Jarred Norris From Cali ( CAL offer)
    Isacc Asiata ( UW USC)
    Kieth Mcgill from Cali (USC offer)
    Jarred Olive from texas (Michigan offer
    V.L Feholko from HI (Uw offer)
    Lucky Radely from Cali ( UCLA offer)

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    Feb. 1, 2011 10:08 a.m.

    @Rock of the Marne

    OK. You are stipulating we will never, ever, see you on a Utah story again? Right?

    Didn't think so....

    Independents are not Mid-Majors, the only Mid-Major is this discussion are the Utah Utes.

    No equal revenue for 5 years. Less of a payout than even Colroado.

    Welcome to the World of Wazzu

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    Feb. 1, 2011 10:02 a.m.

    @Chris B

    One team has Traditon Honor and Spirit &......

    *National Championship (5 seperate organizations)
    *17 Top 25 finishes
    *23 Conference Championships
    *Doak Walker
    *Outlands (2)
    *Davey O'Brian's (4)
    *Sammy Baugh's (7)
    *College Hall of Famers (7)
    *Consensus All-Americans(16) All-Americans 60+
    *NFL MVP and Super Bowl winning QB's

    National TV every week with ESPN or BYU-TV.

    Big time programs don't play on Fox Regional only.

    National Pac-12 games will not include Utah.

    Texas, Notre Dame, Miami, Penn State, Texas A&m, Oklahoma, etc. aren't big boys?

    BYU has already and will again schedule these teams and many others with ESPN doing the scheduling, and yet, you'll never see them in RES.

    Enjoy your 2 BCS games and 2 undefeated seasons, that is your ceiling, it will never happen again.

    10 teams play in BCS games every year, that is not the definition of Legacy. (see above)

    Now go and feather your bed as a Pac-12 Bottomfeeder.

  • Rock Of The Marne Phoenix, AZ
    Feb. 1, 2011 9:54 a.m.

    BYU trolls please go away and back to your mid major team.

  • KamUte South Jordan, UT
    Feb. 1, 2011 9:51 a.m.

    If you want to play on Sunday, you have to play on Saturday. Utah will consistently be in top 4 teams in football. They will take their lumps as well. Even in a down year, they will be playing the MWC champion and a better bowl game than BYU. Mark that down!

  • Big_Ben Centerville, UT
    Feb. 1, 2011 9:48 a.m.

    But guys! BYU's recruiting class is awesome! They beat out Buffalo and New Mexico State and now have a solid verbal from Adam Pulsipher! They are going to dominate the utes!

  • Duckhunter American Fork, UT
    Feb. 1, 2011 9:35 a.m.

    There are only 2 reasons a "top" recruit would choose utah over one of those schools. In cullens case he is a jc transfer with only 2 years of eligibility and usc is on probation for his 2 years. He also was probably promised immediate playing time at utah while he would have had to compete at usc.

    The probabtion of usc probably also factored to langi and he also had the 2nd reason a recruit would choose utah over one of those other schools. He is local.

    Other than those 2 reason there is no reason for a recruit to choose utah and that is why very few ever have and very few ever will. The weather is worse, the facilities are inferior, the fanbase is an embarrassment and utah has no real legacy to speak of.

    In short nothing is changing and the evidence shows in this years class where exactly none of those kids has chosen to sign with the utes so far. Just the local kid, that is it.

  • Rock Of The Marne Phoenix, AZ
    Feb. 1, 2011 9:34 a.m.

    Joe Schmoe, Bluto et al. and then the trolls came out. Why even come on a story about Utah unless you are a bit jealous. Utah's leaving BYU in the rearview mirror so I don't think Ute fans really care what Yiner fans think. Utah is in the PAC 12 and BYU's a mid major independent. Go focus on your own team and it's "stellar" recruiting class.

  • plyxply SLC, UT
    Feb. 1, 2011 9:04 a.m.

    hedgehog, I agree with Uteman, there are a ton of Utes playing on Sunday and that's part of what the top recruits want to hear in their living rooms.
    There seems to have been a wake-up call for the Utes recruiting on the road, but at the same time they have another good option for kids to choose. Utah has it's share of great draws outside of the practice facilities, but new ones will help a lot.
    Go Aggies!

  • UteMan South Jordan, UT
    Feb. 1, 2011 8:56 a.m.

    Perhaps recruits would like to join the rapidly growing list of Utes in the NFL.

  • Chris B. Midvale, UT
    Feb. 1, 2011 8:36 a.m.

    Differences in recruiting between the #1 and #3 programs in the state of Utah

    Team #1
    Shown twice it can go undefeated
    Shown twice it can make it to bcs games
    Shown twice it can win bcs games
    Coach who knows winning is #1
    Teammates who are athletes, among the best in nation
    No silly rules
    Invited to play with big boys

    Team #3
    Shown it is incapable of ever going undefeated
    Shown it is incapable of ever going to bcs game
    Shown it is incapable of ever winning bcs game
    Coach who thinks winning is 6th most important thing
    Teammates who can discuss sunday school lesson
    Silly Rules
    No big boys want to play with them

    The recruiting battle will be dominated in the coming years by one of these teams. U decide.

  • aggieblue Saint George, UT
    Feb. 1, 2011 8:25 a.m.


    Answer-- So they can play rather than stand on the sidelines and hope for the chance should one of those other recruits get hurt.

    Hope my aggies can pick up some, especially here in Utah, keep the good ones at home. I recall a few from Cache valley name Olsen, Green, Curtis, they did ok in the NFL. Talent will surface whenever and where ever you play.

    Go Aggies, basketball is on!!!!

  • Ute_DanD West Jordan, UT
    Feb. 1, 2011 8:14 a.m.

    I think it's a matter of time and winning. If the Utes can win in the next few years in the PAC-12, and I think they can. Then the recruiting will become a little easier, because people want to play for a winner! If not then you have to turn to things like facilities etc. to get the recruites. But winning will be the biggest thing.

  • hedgehog Ann Arbor, MI
    Feb. 1, 2011 7:33 a.m.

    "Why would a top notch athlete turn down an Oregon or SC or Stanford for Utah?"


    hmm, I don't know, why don't you ask Cullin or Langi.

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    Feb. 1, 2011 6:01 a.m.

    Scalley said.

    "At the same time, we're having to face the fact that these guys that we're recruiting now the caliber of players they're visiting all these other Pac-12 teams. They're visiting all these different facilities.... We're going to have to step up our game."

    Which is what we've been telling these Boastful Utes all along.

    Utah will NOT have an advantage by "Simply belonging to the Pac-12", anymore than Washington State has.

    These young people today are very bright. Why would a top notch athlete turn down an Oregon or SC or Stanford for Utah?

    The U's facilities and Overall Athletic Program compares more with WAZU than USC.

    The fan support is shallow unless they are winning big. When 6-6 becomes the Norm, then what Chow?

    Again, only One Conference Championship for Utah last year, (all sports) 9 for BYU.

    Utah will have a harder time recruiting the top athletes once they compare facilities to the Big boys, the Oregons, SC's, Washington's, ASU's and Stanfords in their club.

    It's going to be a very bumpy ride Utes. Strap in.

  • Joe Schmoe Loving life in, UT
    Feb. 1, 2011 3:35 a.m.


    7th place in the pac for the next two years.

    Then we'll see where recruiting takes them.

  • TJ Eagle Mountain, UT
    Feb. 1, 2011 12:35 a.m.

    Any recruit that goes to any team still has to prove himself on the field. Who is to say that Utah, or any other school is not better off if some of these top rated athletes choose other schools. Boise is a good example of average recruiting class accomplishing above average success. Utah has had a taste of this and so has BYU. I do wish Utah the best Wednesday in getting some of these undecided boys but if they don't, they still have some good athletes. It is fun to make the very few BYU haters look un-intelligent (it's easy too) but I am always pulling for Utah to win when not playing USU or BYU. It will be interesting to see how all the chips fall Wednesday.

  • dferg Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 31, 2011 10:49 p.m.

    I'm a true-blue BYU fan; just wanted to get that on record at the outset. But unlike "Y" haters that post on articles regarding BYU football news, I'm not gonna bash the Utes. While I don't care for them a bit, I bear no illwill against them and wish them every success in their new conference.

    That said, I don't think this change in the recruiting landscape is going to affect the "U" for at least the next season or two, is it? Do they have a large number of players graduating this year? I don't pay much attention to their roster.

    Sure, it'll affect them eventually, but if they have a fair amount of players returning to mostly fill out their depth chart they'll be OK in the short run. If they do as well as they (and their rabid fans) think they'll do (I have to admit, though, I think they're over-estimating), they'll have a couple of seasons in-conference, therefore getting greater exposure, resulting in more players giving them serious consideration - making worries about "poaching" a lesser concern.

    Makes sense to me, at least.