BYU basketball: Cougars trying to get over loss at New Mexico

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  • eric3170 Dallas, TX
    Jan. 31, 2011 8:51 p.m.

    UNM really played BYU's style of game. They were run and gun and transition mode the whole time. This is why the Jimmer was winded. But UNM really played an excellent second half. I mean it was near perfect. I think they shot like 57 percent. BYU's weakness was laid out in the open on national tv. UNM scored at will in the paint showing that there is no strong defensive presence for BYU under the basket. We also saw clearly that besides Jimmer and Brandon Davies, there are no reliable scorers for BYU. I beg coach Rose insert Anybody off the bench in place of Jacker Emery when Jacker is missing all of his three point attempts. There has got to be someone on that bench who will seize the moment and score a couple of buckets.

  • Skippy West Jordan, UT
    Jan. 31, 2011 5:13 p.m.

    utah county ute: Thanks for your humor!

    Dee J: Thanks for your opinion. I did notice White was wasted also, I just didn't know if Jimmer was sick or if it was his minutes. Thanks

  • fan32 St. George, Utah
    Jan. 31, 2011 3:29 p.m.

    As long as Jackson Emory plays like a freshman instead of a senior, Jimmer has to take the game over or they get beat. He tries not to be a one man team in the beginning and then when the others can't hit the broad side of a barn, he has to take over and gets real tired. Rose needs to get supporting cast to shoot better in their offense of run and gun or they are in big trouble.

  • Dee J Portland, OR
    Jan. 31, 2011 3:27 p.m.


    What I saw on Jimmer's face during the 2nd half at NM was more frustration than fatigue. BYU's defense won the SDSU game, and appeared to hit a wall at about the 12 min. mark in the second half at NM. I think the combined effort of beating SDSU and holding off NM for 28 minutes took a huge toll; plus, it was a physical game and Fredette did not get calls he's used to getting. He only got to the line 3 or 4 times. He gave up at least 5 free throws by dishing the ball as he was being fouled - and the Cougs got nothing out of it. Must be frustrating when you try to create opportunities for your teammates and they miss the open shot.

    All you need to know about Jimmer's condition: in the SDSU game, Billy White was put on Jimmer at one point in the 2nd half, and after following him around for all of 3 minutes, White was completely gassed and nearly collapsed on the bench.

  • utahcountyute Cedar Hills, UT
    Jan. 31, 2011 3:10 p.m.


    It's a rare disorder that comes from repetitively lifting your arms over your head in a shooting motion over may years. It causes, loss of breathe and......

    Ok.. just kidding. He plays every minute of every game!

  • Skippy West Jordan, UT
    Jan. 31, 2011 3:01 p.m.

    As a Utah fan I havent watched many cougar BB games, but I will admit I watched the last 2. I think Jimmer is good and yes he deserves the attention he is getting. My big question is this: Is he always so out of breath? I know he plays almost the whole game, but at times he looks totally winded. I have heard them say he is in great shape this year, but he seems to be dead tired at times. What is the story? (I am not dissing him at all, just curious)

  • UU32 Bountiful, UT
    Jan. 31, 2011 1:29 p.m.

    So Cal Reader - I agree. My point is, it is not less shots that Jimmer needs - 25 to 30 shots a game with this team is about right. However, it is less dominating the ball at the top of the key that is needed. Not only would it help his teammates get more involved, but it would help his draft stock as well. No question the others need to step up and contribute more (which will likely be BYU's downfall in the NCAA's) - but that doesn't necessarily mean shooting more. It could simply mean bringing the ball up the court once in a while to let Jimmer go down low and run off screens.

  • So. Cal Reader Escondido, CA
    Jan. 31, 2011 11:39 a.m.

    UU32: "When you have the best horse, why not ride it?" Yes. You want to "ride" your horse, but you don't want to ride him into the ground. There is no way that Jimmer can keep this pace up through the end of the regular season the MWC Tournament and NCAA Tournament. The other players, "hello Mr. Emery-- where've you been?", have got to produce on a consistent basis. Davies is picking up his game; Hartsock has to be more consistent; and it would be good if Emery could once again return to his nightly touble-digit scoring. He's the 2nd leading scorer, but his avg. is dropping with each game. And I don't think anyone is expecting Kyle Collingsworth to be any more than a "body."

  • UU32 Bountiful, UT
    Jan. 31, 2011 10:25 a.m.

    BYU fans -- don't worry too much about the loss in the Pit. That is a very tough place to win. Also, don't concede the game at SDSU so quickly. To get a 2 seed the Cougs will need that win and a trip to the MWC tournament finals (without any upsets in between). Not sure why BYU fans are so quick to chalk that one up the SDSU trip as a loss.

    For all the Jimmer is a one man show talk - you don't go 20-2 with a one man show. Plus, would you have Hartsock and Collinworth shooting more? Why? When you have the best horse, why not ride it? As a basketball junky, I'd like to see Jimmer play some more 2 (his natural position) and run him off more screens. He doesn't need less shots, he needs more shots, but in the flow of the offense rather than dominating the ball out front.

    Just one Ute's opinion though. And Chris B - you sir/,ma'am, are no Utah fan.

  • Anonymous Infinity American Fork, UT
    Jan. 31, 2011 9:38 a.m.

    BYU has a history of collapses on the road in all sports. They did get mugged at New Mexico. The officiating was atrocious. They called that game like the NBA. The MWC is terrible in all sports officiating. It doesn't matter what the Cougars ranking will be at the end of the regular season anyway as far a seeding is concerned. They will get a major conference team in the first round of the NCAA Tournament. Before that they will get jobbed at the UNLV Invitational at the end of the conference season and get shafted there as well. The Cougar backups, as well as well as Hartsock and Emery were smothered in the Saturday game by the no calls of excessive New Mexico physicality and brutal play. Shame on you officials. It was like a pinball machine game, and I'm serious about this. Clean it up you yahoos.

  • So. Cal Reader Escondido, CA
    Jan. 31, 2011 9:37 a.m.

    What a disappointing, disappointing loss! Our Cougs had momentum on their side from the HUGE SDSU win into their 13 point lead in the 2nd half on Saturday. But, I question the following statement: "Noah Hartsock and Jackson Emery combined to shoot 4-for-15 from the field." That's it about Jackson Emery? He has been MIA ever since he set the all time steals record. Very poor showing against both SDSU (4 points) and the Lobos (6 points). Hartsock at least reached double figures Saturday. Emery is much too good of a player not to produce on a consistent basis. As much as the Nat'l Pub about Jimmer is great attention for the program, he is shouldering way too much of the load.

    Jackson Emery

  • tx. coug Dripping Springs, TX
    Jan. 31, 2011 9:34 a.m.

    This loss was no big deal and was not a bad loss. The Cougars will probably go 14-2 in conference with the only other loss likely to come at San Diego St. They still may end up 2nd in the conference because the Aztecs may not lose again in conference play. The Cougars should win at least two conference tournament games and at least 1 NCAA game. SDSU has tough road games at CSU & UNLV that I expect them to win. They already beat New Mexico in the Pit. New Mexico has improved considerably in the last 2-3 games. They are a young talented team that is beginning to peak but I would be shocked if they beat the Cougars in Provo or on a neutral court.

    Chris B's takes pleasure in seeing BYU lose and baiting BYU fans. He posts on every BYU article. I am sure he is in no way representative of the typical Utah fan. I have a number of Utah fans who are friends and Chris B would be an embarrassment to them. His analyiss of BYU sports is clouded by his hate and should not be taken seriously.

  • Jeff ls Farr West, 84404
    Jan. 31, 2011 9:20 a.m.

    History has interesting lessons. Those of us who are LDS know some interesting things about history. A long time ago and even today one rule seems to remain true. Apostates may leave the church but they just can't leave it alone. Your actions are very simular to those of apostates. Chris, most of us know a little about basketball and what you have said is the obvious. Many of us have made those exact same comments way before the loss and gang rape at UNM. The gang rape refers to all of those no calls. Even the Standard Examiner who is not really pro BYU even noticed and made comments about a mugging. Should not you be more worried about Utahs problems. They are getting better and that is good.

  • HawaiianAggie St.George, Utah
    Jan. 31, 2011 9:13 a.m.

    Something I've noticed about USU b-ball players when they lose is that they admit that the other team played better, and Stew let's them know it. Such was the case when BYU beat us at the MC earlier in the season. In that game, Tai Wesley muffed up his free-throw opportunities, which most likely cost us the game. Perhaps BYU needs to man-up and admit that NM was the better team. Blaming the Pit is not very classy. I hope the Cougars will improve their teamwork when the NCAA tournament comes around.

    Good Luck Cougars!

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 31, 2011 9:05 a.m.

    I've said it before, I'll say it again--tds is a one-trick pony. Without The Jimmer, you've got nothing. You can't go far in the NCAA unless you have a more well-rounded and deeper team. Diss me all you want, but you know it's true. Even chubbuckidahocougfan gets it. And one more thing--you start losing, and The Jimmer will start whining. Just like he did last year. It's all so predictable.

  • chubbuckidahocougfan Chubbuck, Idaho
    Jan. 31, 2011 8:53 a.m.

    Everyone needs to be involved and engaged for BYU to be more balanced this year and make some noise in the tourney. If that means Fredette takes less shots on purpose and scores less, I believe that's better for the team come March. In the NCAA tourney, good teams will slow down Fredette by throwing their best defenders on him. Fredette will still score 25 to 30 pts but at what cost?

    The cost is that he will shoot 26 shots and make half of them. It's not going to be the way to win games against good tourney teams. They need double figures from Emery, Collinsworth, Davies, and Hartsock. If that's the case, then I see them going really far in the tourney.

    The regular season really doens't matter too much except for seeding. Coach Rose and BYU need to realize that the tournament is where you will be judged as a great team. It's not in beating the Wyomings, CSU's, and Air Forces of the World. It's when you can win 3 to 4 games in the tourney. That's when BYU will get respect nationally.

  • Commontater Lehi, UT
    Jan. 31, 2011 5:17 a.m.

    This is a great loss particularly if the whole team realizes that basketball is a team sport that requires all of it's members for input in practice and in the game being played.

    It's great to have a player like Jimmer put the other players on the team are more than spectators. Spectators are those that pay to watch the game. The individual team members are those whose given scholarships to play it.

    Sometimes I think some try to reverse those roles and it doesn't work that way, very well.