Utah Utes football: Recruiting focused on running backs

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  • --JEFFE-- Cedar City, UT
    Feb. 1, 2011 10:47 a.m.

    @ Uteman

    It was not a direct comparison between BYU losing to USU and Utah losing to Notre Dame. I was simply stating both teams had embarrassing losses last year.

    And the argument of Nevada beating BSU is valid because all you ute fans like to burn BYU's schedule for 2011 because it is loaded with the WAC teams. But a WAC team (BSU) humiliated Utah. But BSU themselves were beat by Nevada, who also beat BYU, and would have beaten Utah as well. So I was basically saying the WAC is better than Utah fans give credit. The WAC is equal to the MWC in quality.

    You should probably do your homework, Reggie Dunn and the other three of Utahs 4 star JUCO recruits from 2010 were included in the class rankings. Go ahead and look it up on scout. And even with those 4 star recruits, Utah was still 28 spaces behind BYU. Ouch.

    You are right about this year though. Utah's class is much better then BYU's. But due to the great 2010 class and returning missionaries, Bronco could afford to take it easy and pull in some Defensive needs.

  • UteMan South Jordan, UT
    Jan. 31, 2011 11:05 p.m.

    @ JEFFE

    10-3 / 7-6

    Did you really make a comparison of losing to Notre Dame vs. Utah State?

    Your argument gets better with Nevada beating Boise. Is that the same Nevada team that blew out BYU at LES?

    Here is another fact: Utah's recruiting class add (3) very good recruits after signing day. I am sure adding Mo Lee, Dexter Ransom and Reggie Dunn would have ranked Utah's class much higher. Most of the hype was related to Heaps. Congrats!

    Now you can go compare this year if you would like and make sure you add Anthony Denham to the list.

  • --JEFFE-- Cedar City, UT
    Jan. 31, 2011 10:33 p.m.

    This argument of who was less bad last season is really getting old. Yes, BYU suffered a humiliating loss to USU. Utah also suffered a 28-3 massacre at the hands of a 7-6 Notre Dame team. And a 26-3 loss to BSU who got beat by UNR previously.
    Can we move on now?

    As far as comparing recruiting, don't even go there.

    Lets compare the 2010 Recruiting class of both schools.

    BYU: #22 recruiting class
    Utah: #50 recruiting class
    Thats quite a gap wouldn't you say? 28 teams between BYU and Utah.

    BYU: #40 recruiting class
    Utah- #32 recruiting class
    Not too big of a gap. 8 teams between the two.

    Here are some more credited college football networks and their opinions on the matter.

    National Football Post-
    BYU #30 recruiting class
    Utah Unranked.

    Bleacher Report-
    BYU #9 In Ranking 2010's Top College Football Recruiting Classes on Offense
    Utah: Not mentioned.

    College Football Cafeteria-
    BYU #22
    Utah Unranked

    Comcast Sports-
    BYU #22
    Utah Unranked

    You're welcome.

  • Carnak Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 31, 2011 10:23 p.m.

    Whoa Duckhunter is getting rallied from Kankles in Florida.


  • pocyUte2 Pocatello, Id
    Jan. 31, 2011 10:10 p.m.

    I don't recall Kyle ever saying he recruiting Utah wasn't a top priority. And Utah has done quite well in recent years recruiting local talent. This year was a bumper crop of local talent, so Utah, BYU and I'm sure USU got quite a few commits from in state.

    Kyle is on record as saying he roughly likes 30% of each class from Utah, Cali and Texas, with the remaining 10% from other areas like Vegas, Hawaii or other areas.

    Congrats to the Utes on realing in a great class, and congrats to the future Utes chosing a great school. I look forward to seeing you on the field.

    Go Utes

  • Alpha Chicken Orem, UT
    Jan. 31, 2011 9:33 p.m.

    Ha ha, I have to laugh a bit. Sorry this isn't part of the recruiting conversation but I noticed Duckhunter said Utah only beat BYU because of a "lucky gift from the officials". Duckhunter did you by chance watch the BYU/SDSU football game? That bit of "luck" was the difference between BYU going to a bowl and not going to a bowl. That bit of luck also got the officials in trouble and a BYU employee that happened to be in the booth FIRED because of a blown call. None of that happened after the BYU/UTAH game just so you know.
    Duckhunter logic=FAIL

  • Kankles Miami, Florida
    Jan. 31, 2011 7:56 p.m.

    I thought you dont use selective stats my man? You did not get one fact right in your reasoning. You cant use Rivals for one argument and scout for another.
    Things you were wrong about:
    rivals- utah has 2 four star recruits, byu has 1
    scout- utah has 1, byu has zero
    you also said that the only reason utah's class is rated above byu's is because they have more commits, why dont you go back and try to count again, byu has 18 commits and utah has 17 (this time when you go back and count take off your shoes and count your toes, because I know how hard it is to count to eighteen)
    Still waiting on your comeback about Utah having 9 guys committed that have more BCS offers than BYU's best recruit(Ryker Matthews).

  • Duckhunter American Fork, UT
    Jan. 31, 2011 7:28 p.m.


    If by "duking it out" you mean getting pummeled then yes i can see your point. Also how many are left to "announce their decision on Wed"? Everyday 2-3 more annouce they are going somewhere else. Not many left to hear from. Anyway you look at it utah has gotten exactly 1 guy, langi, that those other schools were after. Maybe they get 1 or 2 more on Wednesday but with the way things are trending I wouldn't hold my breath if I was you.


    Utah has one 4 star recruit at this point. 1. BYU also has one 4 star recruit. 1. Scout currently has utah ranked with the 50th best recruiting class in the country. They have BYU ranked 59th. Utah only rankes above BYU because of the number of recruits they have not the quality. Remeber if you believe it then it isn't a lie.


  • Duckhunter American Fork, UT
    Jan. 31, 2011 7:08 p.m.


    Actually you lack topic comprehension. 1st I never posted anything in this thread about utahs finish, you did. You did it to change the subject which is utahs rapidly falling recruiting class. So utahs terrible finish to the season isn't the debate but for some reason you wanted to bring it up. I don't know why as it should be embarrassing to you.

    Look I can do that to. kh do you really think it is fair to criticize BYU's finish to the season when they went 5-1 when utah went a pitiful 3-3 with all losses being blowouts on national tv and the BYU win being a lucky gift from the officials?

    Honestly I hope you weren't on the utah debate team as that is simply embarrassing. Once again I never criticized utahs finish in this thread, never even mentioned it. I have only spoken about utahs failing recruiting class. You just want to deflect the conversation to something else because you have no answers as to why recruits are running the other direction when you are now a pac10 powerhouse with norm chow on the staff.


  • Kankles Miami, Florida
    Jan. 31, 2011 6:45 p.m.

    according to scout.com,
    Utah has 9 guys committed that have more BCS offers than BYU's best recruit(Ryker Matthews). Five 4-star recruits have Utah in there top 2 and will announce their decisions wednesday. BYU has not gotten a visit from a four star player this entire year. Lets hear your comeback Duckhunter were all waiting for it.
    "The level of criticism reflects level of
    education"- bronco mendenhall, i think that was directed at you duckhunter

  • KH Holladay, UT
    Jan. 31, 2011 6:08 p.m.

    Let me be real simple for you Duckhunter, since it is clear you have reading comprehension problems.

    The debate is this: Do you (a byu fan) think that it is fair to bash Utah for finishing the last five games of the season 3-2 and a win over BYU, when BYU didn't even average as good as 3-2 the entire season?

  • hedgehog Ann Arbor, MI
    Jan. 31, 2011 5:53 p.m.


    You seem to really be stessing on the Utah boards today...
    I understand.

    While the Utes are duking it out with USC, UCLA and the other big boys; Broko and gang are home crocheting.

    You do understand that most of the guys the utes are after will announce thier decision on Wed...right?

    How about you hold your childish fit until then.... my guess is we wont be hearing from you on Wed.

  • Duckhunter American Fork, UT
    Jan. 31, 2011 5:53 p.m.

    Like I said kh what's to debate? You just brought up some unrelated stuff you think have meaning to the conversation. They don't.

    We're discussing utahs radily failing recruiting class here, not BYU's previous season or utah's limping finish. I never brought either of those things up, you did. You did it to avoid talking about the utes current failure.

    It didn't work.

  • KH Holladay, UT
    Jan. 31, 2011 5:47 p.m.

    You keep avoiding my questions and comments. Debate whether or not you should be able to bash Utah for beating BYU and going 3-2 in the last five games of the regular season, when BYU didn't even average as good as 3-2 during the entire season.

    Also, your inability to answer my question about the Utah State game shows that you simply cannot admit to yourself that BYU got killed by pretty much a highschool team.

  • Duckhunter American Fork, UT
    Jan. 31, 2011 5:42 p.m.

    @naval vet

    So your ban is ended and you're back? Like I asked wedgie yesterday how come none of those guys did anything much? Cullen was the only one that started and he was just mediocre. Also how did you come up with your little list of schools there? Seems like you just started typing whatever schools popped into your head. Nice job. LOL

  • Duckhunter American Fork, UT
    Jan. 31, 2011 5:34 p.m.

    What's to debate kh? That you can post whatever selective stats you think show ute superiority? I never do that and never will. I will tell you this however. The recruiting class gals like wedgie, christina b, howard and yourself have been bragging about for the last several weeks on these boards is crashing down around you.

    Litterally none of these recruits you guys claimed you're competing with the "big boys" (your term not mine) for is coming to utah. You got your regular assortment of 2 and 3 star guys that got offeres from similar schools as utah like new mexico and san jose state but none of these 4 star studs wedgie has been drooling about is coming.

    Why is that? I mean you're in the pac10 and you have norm chow! Heck as soon as norm was announced as the new o.c. your top qb "commit" bailed for another school.

    Frankly I would like one of you girls to tell us why this keeps happening? I'm confused as this isn't what you have been telling us was going to happen since last June. This isn't what was supposed to happen.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Jan. 31, 2011 5:33 p.m.


    Most of those athletes haven't signed with the U because LOI day isn't until Wednesday.

    Nevertheless, LAST LOI day [Feb. 2010], the Utes signed FOUR 4-star recruits, and finished with the 32nd-ranked recruiting class according to Rivals. Those 4-star recruits had offers from USC, UCLA, Cal, Washington, ASU, Colo, Auburn, Tenn, Notre Dame, Mich. St, Oklahoma, Okla. St, Texas A&M, Tx. Tech, Baylor, Missouri, Kansas, Kansas St, Florida St, Miami, West Virginia, USF, and Lousiville.

    And NONE of those 4-star recruits were from Utah. So it looks like we've won SOME of our recruiting wars. And THAT was recruiting as a mid-major. With the change in conferences, we're sure to win a few more.

    But cheer up my little frantic and emotional zoob. You're still out-2-star-recruiting the Utes this year. You did it last year too. Go zoobs.

  • Duckhunter American Fork, UT
    Jan. 31, 2011 5:16 p.m.


    And all of BYU's instate recruits had offers from utah. What's your point?

  • KH Holladay, UT
    Jan. 31, 2011 5:15 p.m.

    Try to debate anything in my post Duckhunter. You can't. Stop bashing on Utah for beating BYU.

    And also, please answer my question. Did BYU really lose to Utah State? I already know the answer but I want to hear it from you.

  • Duckhunter American Fork, UT
    Jan. 31, 2011 5:12 p.m.


    Aren't we discussing utahs inability to sign a single top recruit other than langi? I understand why you want to change the subject but no one is falling for it.

    So will utah get even one of these guys? Doesn't look like it.


  • KH Holladay, UT
    Jan. 31, 2011 5:06 p.m.

    It's kind of funny that Duckhunter gives Utah crap about struggling to finish the season when Utah beat BYU. In fact, Utah went 3-2 in the last five games of the regular season. If BYU averaged 3-2 during the entire season their record would be better than their 6-6 record in the regular season. This just shows the bias that goes into posting for Duckhunter.
    2 out of 3
    6 out of 9

    P.S. Did BYU really lose to Utah State?

  • Cougars21 Salt Lake City, ut
    Jan. 31, 2011 4:50 p.m.

    Your right Duckhunter!!!

  • Duckhunter American Fork, UT
    Jan. 31, 2011 4:43 p.m.


    Jealous of what? Are we supposed to be jealous of a school that has been rejected by every top recruit they have been trying to recruit? Other than lnagi you haven't gotten a single one. Each day brings news of another 2 or 3 that chose somewhere else.

    I'm actually wondering if utah is really "recruiting" these kids at all. Sure they tried to make contact with them, then they announced to the press they are recruiting them and competing for them with the big boys. But then somehow not a single one actually ever signs with them.

    That is strange result considering utah is now in the pac10 and has norm chow, blah, blah, blah.


  • ute4ever West Jordan, UT
    Jan. 31, 2011 4:31 p.m.

    The U focuses on all of the instate kids that are worth focusing on. You can not fill your college roster with only Utah kids. It's not a secret that California (especially the LA area) is a hotspot for recruiting (just look at the arguing that went on regarding PAC12 conference boundaries because of wanting to be in LA for recruiting) and it's not much of a secret that Texas is a hotspot as well. Utah is just being smart....cherrypicking the top Utah prospects (Langi), and then going to the national hotspots for the rest of their recruiting.

    Please ignore all ignorant BYU fans that post here. These people are just looking for a reaction and are mostly just jealous.

  • Utes21 Salt Lake City, ut
    Jan. 31, 2011 4:30 p.m.

    Agreed I wont call byu tds anymore, I will just call them byu. We now have bigger fish to to fry, mainly USC, UCLA, and the Arizona schools! Thanks for considering my post classy byu fans. We are grateful for the Ute Tribe allowing us to still have the name.

  • UU32 Bountiful, UT
    Jan. 31, 2011 3:54 p.m.

    Serenity Now -- As a Ute fan, I completely agree. I have no clue why the childish names are used - except that perhaps those using them are in fact children or teens without the maturity to have a grown up conversation. "Yewts" instead of Utes is even more offensive given the lack of respect for the Native American (thank you Fresnogirl) tribe they honor (with the tribe's permission).

    TDS is something that should have died when Urban left.

  • Alpha Chicken Orem, UT
    Jan. 31, 2011 3:24 p.m.

    I personally am excited about the recruiting class. I think there are always some that get away, but I was worried about the running back situation after the graduations and the injuries to Shakerin. Not any more, that will be filled. I also think the PAC 12 deal will help in state recruiting in a huge way.
    GO UTES!

  • utahcountyute Cedar Hills, UT
    Jan. 31, 2011 2:41 p.m.


    Seriously, "bro"?! You really need to go take a breather.

    Kyle did say he was going to focus on getting athletes from Texas and Cali, I do remember that. Everyone always does, along with Florida and a few other hotspots. It all comes down to % of top athletes that come out of those states each year.

    As far as Kyle taking "pot shots" at byU and calling them "stupid"? Give me the name and date of the article the quote was from. Otherwise....

    Go Utes!

  • Serenity Now American Fork, UT
    Jan. 31, 2011 2:29 p.m.

    Why do Ute fans like to abbreviate "touchdowns" (TDS) when referring to BYU? That seems like an admission of offensive inadequacy by the Utes....If it's a geographical statement in light of a refusal to pronounce the actual name of Utah's chief rival (similar to scared witches and wizards refusing to say the frightening name of Lord Voldemoord in the Harry Potter movies), the presence of PAC-12 teams farther south like Arizona, ASU, USC and UCLA might make "TDS" a big confusing in the future; so let's muster up the courage to call BYU the only name fitting: "The University Who Must Not Be Named"

  • hedgehog Ann Arbor, MI
    Jan. 31, 2011 1:59 p.m.

    "And, to all of you in-state recruits who signed with Utah, it's because they couldn't get anyone better that you are on the team,"


    6 of the 8 "utah" recruites had tds offers. But if your saying that couldn't get a better offer I won't agrue with you.

  • cougar4ever2 SLC, UT
    Jan. 31, 2011 1:39 p.m.

    re: utahcountyute Good luck making it to that conference champ game in the next century. And the Rose Bowl? "Stupid" and "moron" seem to apply the same to you, when they are the only words that are applicable in either case. I noticed how you didn't even try to argue my point about Kyle contradicting himself because you know it is so very true. Keep rearranging those deck chairs on the Titanic, bro. And good luck to your all of sudden "best athletes in the country" from right here in good old Utah. Yee Haw!

  • utahcountyute Cedar Hills, UT
    Jan. 31, 2011 1:27 p.m.


    "stupid" and "morons" all in the same post? That sure is a deep vocabulary you carry there.

    "You deserve exactly what you have coming to you in the PAC12."

    What is that exactly? A chance to go to the Rose Bowl every year, NC inclusion, better recruiting in and out of state, a conference champ game that pays $2 Mil each year.

    I'm sure Kyle deserves all of that.

  • hoopmom44 SLC, UT
    Jan. 31, 2011 1:23 p.m.

    Wow. I am still just baffled at the contradictions. Really, I am. It would be funny if it weren't so pathetic. Sorry, Kyle. You have just exposed a lot about yourself and your program in one short article. And, to all of you in-state recruits who signed with Utah, it's because they couldn't get anyone better that you are on the team. Ask Kyle. He said it himself a couple of years ago.

  • cougar4ever2 SLC, UT
    Jan. 31, 2011 1:08 p.m.

    Wait, this is a joke, right? I think it was two years ago when Kyle told everyone their focus was on Texas and California because Utah didn't produce the kind of athletes that could compete at the next level like these states did. Go ahead, someone, look it up. How quickly things change when all you CAN get are kids from Utah! I remember Kyle making taking pot shots at BYU for being stupid in offereing local kids so early and how that wasn't Utah's game, too. Wow. What a bunch of complete morons. What an embarrassment to so brutally condtradict yourself, Kyle. You deserve exactly what you have coming to you in the PAC12.

  • Utes21 Salt Lake City, ut
    Jan. 31, 2011 12:47 p.m.

    You see what I mean right after your nice classy post you have some guy going off about byu and how superior they are? Who cares buddy this is a Ute article! Congrats to the U, I hope they land some more solid recruits to play for them. We have had some great football players come from California and Texas. I am also glad they are getting in state recruits.

  • williary Kearns, UT
    Jan. 31, 2011 12:21 p.m.

    Scalley says: "I don't know anybody who gets everybody they wanted."

    Wrong Morgan. Haven't you heard Bronco speak about recruiting? BYU gets everyone they want. In fact, BYU doesn't recruit, kids recruit BYU to get in. They will never lose an instate recruit that they want. And when someone turns down BYU, Bronco simply pulls their scholly to make it seem like it was his decision!

  • Pete88 Aurora, CO
    Jan. 31, 2011 12:18 p.m.

    as a BYU fan, its good to see Ute fans praising their own team and recruits and not worrying about how much they hate BYU. I have respect for you guys

  • utahcountyute Cedar Hills, UT
    Jan. 31, 2011 9:36 a.m.

    Nice to see 4 of the top Utah recruits coming to the Utes.

    Pomee and Henderson package would be a bonus for sure.

    We'll see how it all shakes out on the 2nd.

  • erikcwj42 sandy, UT
    Jan. 31, 2011 8:32 a.m.

    they leave out one our other early commits cb ryan henderson and his high school teammate junior pomee both very very good players.. well pomee hasnt decided yet but henderson has given us a verbal commitment the 2 just wanna stay together and pomee might choose usc which might sway henderson to choose usc on signing day .. hope we get em both

  • Tommy2Shoes Lehi, UT
    Jan. 31, 2011 8:02 a.m.

    Looks like a good class to build upon. Keep up the good recruiting and you'll be just fine in the PAC12.