No-shows again, Jazz fall to lowly Nets
to be honest...the only value fes has is he clogs the lane...and that's just
about it...he is an awkward offensive player...on D...he tries his best...maybe
next year for the jazz...im just going to enjoy the games from now on...and wont
expect much...its good to see Hayward got some minutes against boston...and
keep s. gains bc hes cheaper then watson then add ryan gomes and hakim warrick
instead of watson, bell, and Fez....dang.. that would have been special..we
accually would have had nba caliber athletes. I gaurante we would gotton top 3
spot in the west playoffs..
Keep W. mathews and add: The following is a list of players we could have
targeted instead of raja bell and fesinko i would have taken any 2 of these
players over bell and fez ... Dorell wright... reggie williams,... cris
douglas roberts...derrick brown.....anthony marrow....cartier martin...shelden
williams...brad miller...ryan gomes...darco milicic...hakim warrick...Just
imagine adding a dorell wright and hakim warrick and keeping wes mathews..
wow... how much better would we be right now..
As i sit here and watch the jazz boston game in discust bc i relize that we are
horrible and wont go anywhere with this roster except barly into the playoffs
thus resulting in no chance of getting a high draft pick.. who the flip are you
ppl who think Fez is good .. he honestly is the worst 7 footer in the nba ...
how can he have upside .. i dont think ppl born with no cordination are able to
get it.. it must be KOC that gets on here under several different screen names
to defend his laaaame players..
to CJ: send me proof, I have props for your boy. This is the team we have I
am for what helps get the Jazz back to November and December when I might have
given Sloan (then) Coach of the Year
If Matthews was so great last year, why is he still not in a Jazz uniform?
Maybe because in the Jazz system he was just another number. The Jazz could
have paid him if they thought he was worth the money in their system. Portland built their team around the 2. Just so happens the 2 is hurt and
Matthews is getting the prime time minutes now.I know its hard to
swallow but Matthews would be a an average player if he were in Utah. Jerry
would have made sure of that. Same thing with CJ.And who knows, I
might be related to CJ.........
Wes Matthews was too short,not enough upside,has already reached his
potential....sound familiar? Wes had another nice game last night 28 points,oh
and btw,he`s about the same size as Eric Gordon,who`s also having a nice
year,who btw is about the same size as D-Will....
@ C.J miles .. are you related to c miles or somthing .. ive lemented him ever
since the draft when we chose him two picks b4 monte ellis .. turns out i was
right to do so .. dang just thinking about that backcourt wiliams and ellis is
scary.. but KOC doesnt draft athletes.. which brings me to my point .. cj is a
decent shooter a streaky shooter .. i could find 50 guys not even in the nba who
would be just as effective on our roster in his spot.. we dont have a good team
so cj get more shots then he deserves and therfore puts up some points some
nights when the game is meaningless..he does noooooothing else except make one
hightlight pass every 5 games... no defense .. cant make difficult shots ..
misses easy shots.. cant step up in big games and make winning plays.. wesly
mathews did all of those things ...
CJ is one of the best 6th men in the League. What more to you want from the
guy? Jerry does not run any plays for him. Jerry only runs pick and roll every
time down the floor. It's amazing CJ can even score in Jerry's offense.
Matthews couldn't even score in Jerry's offense last year. Now look at him in a
system that likes shooters. When CJ leaves at the end of his contract, he will
average over 20 points somewhere else guaranteed.
Kakashi,Millsap has the right game to come off the bench,I don`t think it
really matters to him,as long as he`s in during crunch time.As for Miles we
spend way too much time talking about a soft,lazy player that`s nothing more
than a backup role player,I still think he`s related to Darius Miles,they very
I agree with you Houdini...but i think...to abuse Millsap skills he needs to be
the 6th man again...let memo start at the 5...since he usually plays
perimeter...making the paint more open...and more work room for al
jefferson...to be honest i was excepting decent production from bell...but...it
never showed...we need deep scoring threats at the 2-3 spots...Hayward needs to
develop....CJ needs consistency...that's all we need from CJ...be
consistent...the only problem i have with CJ is its already been 5 years...he
should've been a consistent player by now...
Miles,Millsaps numbers are down,not due to a lack of effort,due more to the fact
some matchups don`t favor us starting 3 PF`s. That`s right AJ,AK and Millsap are
all really 4`s.If CJ could learn to be consistent(which I really doubt at this
point) we could start him at the 3,AK OR Millsap at the 4,Memo OR AJ at the
5.That way we would always have 2 good players coming off the bench.Millsap is a
20/10 guy if used right
Being O Connor will do as he always does NOTHING, I thought about this a lot
Friday.This is what I would do but SLoan will not and I have reasons
for each thought out move.Starting Guards DWIL and CJCj needs to start to get back on track. He is not a dope. He will not need
20 shots to miss 15, Let him get a rythmn because he has the ability to be a 2
guard that will provide the needed 15 ppg.Forwards Hayward
and JeffersonGordon needs 6 minutes to provide hustle and energy.
He was making progress but regressed when Sloan put him to back burner.Center OkurHe gets stiff and stale sitting so long on
bench, gets a little sweat going in warmups-start him when he has a little pep
get some boards to start and hit couple jumpersBench Have
Price and Watson at 2 to 3 minute mark at quarter until mid 2ndMillsap and Kirilenko come in 2nd quarter, Millie play for Hayward whole
quarter and 4th if doing well.Fesenko for Okur 15 minutes 2
stints.Bell depending matchups occasional starts/Gordon and
depending on experience need
Sorry Doug to disappoint a SLOANAHOLIC like I know you are. However, Jerry is
at fault for not having the right lineups. O Connor is at fault for refusing to
make moves. The Jazz just let someone like Peja for a bargain the rest of this
season who in this offense could have solved 1/2 our problems. Okur looks like
Freddie Gwynne in the middle even Herman Munster would be more intimidating than
a flat footed 90 year old looking Okur. I think I would rather have Manny Mota
of the Dodgers manning the middle. Fes has been sitting and wasting his career
due to Sloan and his biases and mancrush for a worthless one Frankie Elson.The Jazz are going to get killed in BostonHolla if you hear
@CJ Milesone more thing...read my first comment on this article
again...i called the entire team...for not having the desire to win a basketball
game...i only made the CJ Miles comment since everytime CJ has a bad game...you
would comment he doesnt have enough minutes...or he only shoots the ball when
there is little time left...lol...and you bit on it...lol...on my part...i give
credit to whoever deserves it...on your part however...only CJ gets the
credit...lol...you must have some huge man-crush on the dude...lol
@CJ MilesNot enough minutes? he played 27 minutes against the
nets...lol...talking about bias...a few articles back...i called on AK's
ineffectiveness...and the lack of a good solid SG...and all this time...you are
spewing nothing but CJ...i am one for trading AK...i have said it in the
past...i for one is in favor of putting millsap back to his place...as a 6th
man...i have stated that before...on the other hand...if CJ Miles fails...you
blame it on other players and the coach...but if another player fails...you call
them on...heck i even gave CJ Miles credit where credit is due...lol...im
laughing at you for even pointing that i was bias...if i am guilty for being
bias..it would be on the development of Gordon Hayward...because he really has
the IQ to be a very good player in this league...not an all-star...but a
player...oh and by the way...CJ miles is not the cornerstone of the
franchise...he will never be...sorry for breaking that news to ya...lol
Kakashi......Jerry didn't give CJ enough minutes for him to score the points
necessary to win. I don't have any control over that. So yes, when CJ gets his
minutes and points, the Jazz win.So are you saying Millsap played
well? Are you saying that Memo has made the team better? Talk about being
bias. You only care if CJ fails.......
@ CJ Miles...If CJ scored...he is the reason the jazz are
winning...if he doesnt perform...its someone else's fault...wow...such bias and
hypocrisy on your part...lol
Talent + execution = wins.If you have the talent but the offense is
difficult to execute, you should expect a few losses because of the level of
difficulty just to run the offense. Maybe it's time to take the difficulty
handcuffs off the players and simplify. Then... Talent + execution = more
wins. Sloan is a farmer, he should know that. Jerry's system is better
suited for women because they have the ability to multi-task. Men are better off
doing one thing at a time. For the most part.
Anyone notice that since Memo started playing again, the Jazz have gone
Houdini are you kidding me? Millsap has been a no-show for the past month.
Last night he forgot there was even a game. Take off the blinders.Sokol: Great CommentDuke5: Nope.....Not missing Boozer at all.
This team is better without him.
You could bring Phil Jackson in here and if the players don`t want to give it
110% it wouldn`t matter.2 very good players giving it their all(Williams and
Millsap) and the rest giving 85-90% isn`t gonna get it done,and guys like Price
play hard but not always in sync
How did Popovich go from having washed up players to having an elite team? Does
anyone see the difference between great coaches and Sloan?
Are any of you Boozer haters having second thoughts about loosing him?
We are not even considered in the near elite...We have a proper center in
Fesenko and the slow moving tractor, Okur. He reminds me of those hay wagons
with a slow moving caution triangle. There is no leader, no impassioned Jazz
man. They are just nice role players with a cranky robotic coach.
The Jazz are who we thought they were. They're a good team, not an elite team.
They'll win 50 games, make the playoffs, and be on summer vacation by the second
round. Millsap is a great player for his size, but he will never be an elite
power forward due to his lack of size against the elite power forwards.
Jefferson has the potential to be an elite power forward if he learns the plays
and gets in better shape. Their wing players are inconsistent. Maybe Hayward
could be the answer as a wing. He needs more time. AK is about washed up.
They should trade him for a good wing to compliment D-Will.
The Jazz will bounce back. Go Jazz! They'll win tomorrow night in Boston.
Well well well looks like our bad drafting and horrible personel desisions have
cought up with us and we are having trouble beating more talented teams ... Dont
all of you relize that these so called bad teams accually have more tallent then
we do ..And they are rebuilding for heck sake lol... maybe they arent as
pollished or as well coached as our players but they definately have more talent
... take the wizzards ..Andre Blatch .. more athletic taller bigger and more
skilled then big Al..So what about d will ? well i give us a tiny edge there
buuuut its close .. Jhon Wall and Kirk Hinrick vs watson and dwill ... dang on
second thought thats quite a combo for the wizzards ... dang... okay lets look
at center position .. wizzards are no slouches there Javale Mcgee lollol nearly
made the dream team nuff said.. Nick young who is putting up huuuge numbers
since arenas left town .. vs who raja bell .. not even close advantage wizzards
... shall i keep going .. al thorton, josh howard , yi jillian,trevor booker
,cartier martin... vs milsap, cj, kerilinko,price,..we arent a superior in
tallent and thats a fact.. same cn b said for nets
This coach we have here won't even change his starting line-up when there is
proof it's not working, what makes any of you think he would change any of his
out dated offensive or defensive schemes? His responses are always the same.
Nothing "ever" changes with this man as long as he can get along with
the bosses and collect his 7mil a year and the fans keep buying tickets it will
remain that way!
The hypocrisy is absolutely amazing.Nobody was complaining about
Sloan and his sytem as the Jazz have been winning at a highe % than anyone
expected with huge roster changes.Not a word.Now
suddenly when the Jazz lose it is the coaches fault?Uh, the system
and the coaches are the same and you can't have it both ways. The only thing
that has changed is PLAYER PERFORMANCE. Sloan had essentially the same
rotations and timeout patterns blah blay blah.CJ is turning into his
old inconsistent self.Millsap has been and continues to be too short
like I have always said he was. Other PF's score over him at will. Then when
they can't defend the offense flounders and they hang their heads.The problems are player attitude, commitment and effort.We have
the same system as just a few weeks ago when we were THE best in the league at
defending the 3% and THE best defensive FG% in the 4th Quarter.The
players are not playing hard and executing and it has nothing more than EFFORT
stamped all over it.The players have to decide when they will have
some pride and play.
@RickI hate to break it to you but Sloan IS THE ONE telling Williams
to push the ball. Next time during the game, watch Sloan as he is always waving
his arms to push it but Williams slowly responds. But in fairness to Williams he
sees AK to his right and Bell to his left, I wouldn't want to push the ball
either and not to mention that Jefferson CANT DUNK the ball! I agree that Sloan
is slow at times making rotations but look at who the Jazz have. Besides
Williams and Millsap, no other player on this team can create their own shot. I
wish we could trade Okur/Bell for Rush/Granger and we'd be the best team in the
West but it ain't happening. So, the Jazz need to focus on DEFENSE since they
have no offense right now.
After losing to the WIZARDS & NETS back to back games and playing .500 ball
the last month and a half, most press outlets in other cities would be talking
about letting an over the hill coach retire to his farm in Ill...This team needs
NEW leadership that has FIRE in their belly, not tums.....These players need a
coach who will get in their face & get their attention...you do not get that
from sloan & side kick Phil !!! Utah will never win a pklayoff series going
forward with sloan at helm..Sloan is out-coached every nite by the better
coaches in the NBA....Utah MUST START PUSHING THE BALL UP THE COURT EVERY SINGLE
TIME & STOP RUNNING THAT 25 YEAR OLD SET WHICH MOST TEAMS HAVE FIGURED OUT
BY NOW !!! If you can get an easy basket by pushing, take it ! There is no
excuse for losing to these 2 pathetic teams from the east coast.With the talent
Utah has, they should only be a couple of games behind the top spot in the
I have said this maybe one thousand times ,but I'll say it again.Until the Jazz
get a physical bruiser in the paint who can play offense,defense,or both,the
Jazz will not be a top four team in the west. Milsap is a bruiser,but too
small,Jefferson,Kirilenko,and Okur equal soft as good ole Charman tissue. Just a
few Drafts ago,the Jazz had a chance to take Blair of San Antonio.I was a big
fan of Blairs in college.The guy wasn't too tall,but he knew how to use that
round body knocking peple out of the way to score and get rebounds. Right now
Blair's a top knotch player with the Spurs. This is the kind of player the Jazz
need minus one of their softies. Our backcourt isn't soft. Bell gives us good
defense mixed with some good offensive nights. Ronnie Price and D-Will are
bangers.Miles is somewhat of a banger but a better scorer than the rest of the
guards.We have versatility in the back court.It's our soft front court that's
The Jazz are falling apart in January like always.I wonder if the
sports reporters could ask if?:1.Williams wants out of Utah2.The players have tuned out Sloan for good.3.Kirilenko needs to go to
bring in some new blood.
The Jazz have the talent at the Point guard, power forward and Center positions.
It just comes down to heart and energy defensively. For some reason the Jazz
seem to have run out of both.
How about Williams steps up and is more vocal during the game!?! Bryant, James,
and Garnett have no problem getting after guys, whereas, Williams is a little
soft. This team is not an offensive threat like last year's team and Sloan needs
to realize that the only way they win games is by getting stops on the defensive
end. Don't force something that's not there, the jazz win as their defense picks
The ship is sinking.
How about starting Watson,Williams,AK,Jefferson and either Memo or Fes? Bring
Millsap,Bell and whoever else off the bench? I watched Dallas beat LA last night
and even with a gimpy nowinski and missing Butler they never quit playing hard
Minnesota let Jefferson get away cause he could`nt co-exist with Love,it`s all
clear now.Same is happening with Millsap.They are getting in each others way,sit
Millsap,he`ll be fine coming off the bench.As far as Miles,he needs 35-40
minutes,and jacking up 20-30 shots ,yea right
Kakashi......So CJ is the reason the Jazz are losing? Give me a break. Where
was Millsap last night?All teams go through this in a season. You
all are freaking out. They might lose 2 0r 3 more before they figure out.
That's the NBA. You can all whine but the Jazz will be fine.
Todd harps on Sloan and I keep bringing up Jefferson, half the season is gone
and he is still wondering how much more offense the team can throw at him.More often than not he is out of position, he does not have the killer
instinct at games end to have the ball in his hands nor should Deron fell
comfortable putting it there. He may need to ride the pine like he did when the
Jazz beat Miami in order for the Jazz to win again.Sloan has the
toughest call as he has to give time to JEfferson trying to get him to play team
ball and Jazz offense, thus Fes who is a shot blocker but a one dimensional
player gets the shaft on the bench. Fes can and will bring energy but he can't
bring scoring. Jefferson can bring more scoring but he is out of
synch so often it is painful to watch. I am not certain who will get
traded but playing dreadful as the Jazz are spells new faces soon.
Is Okur ready for the heavies. seems like our season is fading with his return
to the floor.the picture says it all.....we have lost our speed and
toughness. Why is the team so inconsistent?Knowing the players.....A
seasoned coach like Sloan should have all the answers and take responsibility
for poor play. Who is the team Psychologist?
If only Jerry would center the offense around cj the Jazz and Jerry Sloan would
be successful!cj is the best player on the team...that is why
O'Connell dumped Brewer, Korver & Matthews...now we don't have a log-jam at
the wings-too many good wings can really be a problem in the NBA!If
Sloan wouyld only let cj have more shots it be be ok
@Houdini...If cj were getting more shots the jazz would win more games
Yep,those are my boys,win games they shouldn`t (Miami,Orlando,LA) and lose games
we should win...Millsap`s numbers are down cause he and AJ are playing the same
position,if you watch AJ usually will be right at the spot Paul likes,we need to
sit one of them and start the other with Memo,as for the 2 spot dump Bell and
Miles and bring Matthews back...
You can trade all the players you want but the results will always be the same
under this system. Jerry has too many bias's and idosyncrisies to effectively
coach in todays NBA.A few examples:1-Where was Fes last
night when we were getting chewed up in the paint? Where has he been since 2
weeks prior to Memo's return? Before that he was the defensive center piece of a
very successful 2nd unit that has since folded after he was confined to the
doghouse.2- When asked after the game if he was finally ready to
shake up the starting five Sloan replied, " Oh I don't know, maybe "
When it is obvious after half the season that this group doesn't rebound,
execute the offense or defend.3- He will not back away from his too
small center and power forward approach and continues to get hammered in the
paint with Big Al trying to play center instead of his natural position at
PF.4- Then there's the calling a time out issue to stop a run. How
many games have we lost because of that one.5- Won't defend the 3
Until the front office realizes that the hole left by Mathews,Brewer and Korver
did not get filled by Raja Bell, Cj Miles, this team will continue to have slow
starts. Not having a shooting guard that can beat his guy off the dribble and
defend better is killing us. Bell is not cutting it. It seemed like a good idea
at the time to bring Raja Bell back, but now he is a major liability on offense
and defense. Play Fes more, he alters shots. I think Deron needs some help in
the back court, he needs a guy that can be much more effective than Bell. Time
for the Millers, Sloan, Rigby, and KOC to sit down and figure out what moves to
make to get better now and for the future. The Jazz have assets to make some
moves, trade exceptions and expiring contracts. The time has come, the writing
is on the wall. LETS GO JAZZ!!!!!
Memo is quite a defensive presence down in the paiNT!
I can set my watch by Jerry's predictable rotations.
Definition of Insanity?Doing the same thing over and over again and
expecting different results. - Albert EinsteinIt's time for a change
front office needs to make some player movement with the TPEs we've got...and
try to find a glue that would make this team stick together...a true blue
scoring SG...who is both an outside threat and a slasher...J Rich comes to
mind...we could take Josh Childress away from Phoenix...he isnt a first or
second option scorer...but i think he would fit well...
The play of the Jazz does not surprise me.What does is that some of you
guys who should know better thought this season would be any different..
hmmm..where's CJ Miles?...the player is too inconsistent...i hate to say this
but...im beginning to lose hope...and will just enjoy the entertainment the team
will bring when playing...they are playing with no heart...no desire...you cant
win a championship playing like that...im tired of the excuse of being not on
the same page...if you gave it all...execution would be natural...if you
dont...there would be mental lapses...if this continues...we would barely get to
paying them millions to dribble a ball up and down a hardwood floor for 48
minutes when they dont play defense = bad idea. paying them 1-4 - 1/8 of that
same amount only for them to "seem" and "act" fatiqued =
much better idea. note to self; find out just who feeds the utah jazz players
and what they are eating to be so dang lethargic
I noticed missed cuts on the pick n' roll by AJ. You foul see the frustration on
DWill's face.Our entire front line was in foul trouble, Elson, AJ,
Milsap and how many minutes does Fesenko play?
After a promising start to the season, the Jazz have fallen back into
mediocrity. Everyone knew that the slow starts would eventually catch up to the
Jazz.DWill's talk of some players not knowing the plays halfway
through the season is troubling.Unless they turn things around,
another 1st or 2nd round exit from the playoffs is a near certainty.
Why is Fes not playing more?
Watson is quick but not fast. Hardly. He is better as an energy guy, starting
him will expose him more vs these starters and Earl is tough but not overly
tall.That would not work him starting
Sorry, but it's time to look at all options.Milsap - good but tooo
smallMemo - marshmellowAJ - needs to be more aggressive and play the
4 spotAK - nice trade bait - what would the nets give us!CJ - too
inconsisientBell - good back up Hayward, Evans & Fes - need more
time & confidenceDWill, Watson & Price - PG's good - would be
better with more assistance from 2/3/4/5Starting Five (with what we
have)Watson, DWill , AK, AJ & Memo
They need a second leader on this team. It can't just be Deron....it should be
Deron on Offense and then someone else on Defense.I'd say AK, but he's not
playing defense the way he could. The problem is that there's no defensive
specialist like Raja and AK used to be.They need someone like
Kris Humphries had a career night against the Jazz. Great is it not?Sloan is something else
The Jazz it is a comedy show. They all of a sudden start hustling and acted
like wildmen with as usual "5 minutes to go!" thinking they can pull
the game out like the old La T Birds and Ronnie Psycho Rains...Of
course, Sloanie just allows Outlaw to cherry pick on the right and nailed shots
all night. He would have scored even more as was open in the "prevent give
up 3 d JER LOVES"Outlaw stood behind the line usually with 10
feet or more of cushion, Harpring mentioned it Farmer hits a 3 and of course
seconds later does the same.The starting lineup is a joke. Not
playing Fes over Elson and Okur is a bigger joke. Okur plays defense worse than
Dudley Doright.Lopez had a field day, it was volleyball on the
glass. No resistance was sickening and no challenge physically.Sad
AK finally came to play tonight, to impress the Nets owner.DWIL
tried to save the ship with the martyr awful body language of his, but too
little too late as did nothing before the 4th quarter.CJ 2 bad games
in a row MORE LIKE IT!!!
Just like the song build me up butter cup just to let me down.
well wasn't good even AK tried hard. Rest of Jazz didn't follow him as usual.
When you play at the level of the competition it becomes a bad habit and sooner
or later you end up playing below the level of the competition.The
slow starts and the excuses that it only matters how you finish have caught up
with this team and this system.
The Jazz mostly showed up except for Millsap. Defense will win games but not
tonight as the defense was only played on the other side of the ball.
Great effort Jazz. Love the competive spirit for one quarter each game.
Its really sad the way our team plays. Is it time to start cheering for West