OU812Which is more impressive?Beating a Top 15 teamor Being a Top 15 teamBeating an NCAA tournament teamorBeing in the NCAA tournamentbtw, purposely misspelling
another blogger's handle is juvenile and a sign of desperation that shows your
arguments can't stand on their own merits.
@ou812So who has utah beaten? One team (alabama) ranked in the top
5. BYU beat Oklahoma when they we ranked in the top 5 knocking them down and
putting their Heisman trophy qb out for the season. No difference there.utah hasn't beaten anyone else in the last several years other than BYU
and tcu which surprise, surprise, are basicly the same as BYU's wins over tcu
and utah. Silly ute "fans" and you tentative grasp on
reality never cease to make my day.LOL
Blue Goug, And who lives in the bubble? BYU's only top 25 win since
2005 was UNLV a few days ago, and football I recall OU being ranked, but can't
even remember if they remained ranked. Please give us more of the great Y teams
beating up on the patsies. LOL
Yes, there are many good things to say about TEAMS in the MWC. Unfortunately,the
league leadership has been sorely lacking. Had the "suits" done a
better job, the top marque school, TCU, and the school up north wouldn't be
leaving.1. It's no secret that MWC officials have reneged on TV
coverage promises made to BYU. 2. There is no significant conference in the
country that plays it's basketball tourney on a member school's home court. 3.
HD TV signals have finally crept onto the "Mountain" telecasts.
BYU has THE momentum. I've said it several times.Mark it down!!! ha
ha haAs said by several others this decision to go independent was
not contingent on the Utes leaving. It was simply accelerated!Thanks
to ESPN, BYU's forward vision on that HDTV studio, etc. it's going to work!Who would have imagined all of this happening and the turn around from 4
in a row losses to a winning season, a bowl invitation, a bowl win and now this
basketball season. 2011 is looking good!In a couple of years it will
really be something.Fun to be a Cougarfan. Poor Utesies
lost their mojo. I've got a tear in my eye. (sniff, sniff)
@all the ute trollsFor the umpteenth time.You will be
lost and forgotten in the world of Washington State. Sure, you will be in the
Pac-12, but who will really care?When was the last time anyone saw a
Washington State game in any sport on any Network?This is your
world, welcome to it.By the time you are even considered a
"full Partner" (5 yrs) by your socialistic Conference Brethren....There won't be a recruit in America who will even know who Utah is. Why,
because you won't be on anybodys radar.BYU, on the other hand, will
be on National TV every week, football and basketball.If you think
recruits won't notice, well then...BYU's move to Independence was
not knee jerk raction to Utah's move.10 years in planning, with 5
years of actual monetary investment, in high tech hdtv-hard wired to every
venue, and bricks an mortar.Eat your heart out Utes, get your
bluster in now, because 2 years from now, it's the land of oblivion for U.The biggest name in sports is laying down millions for BYU's brand, not
OU812Top 25 rankings (three of them in the Top 15) and conference
championships or at large bids to the NCAA tournament tell you all you need to
know about the quality of the opposition, and accomplishing that in four
straight years is indeed something to brag about.Unless, of course,
you're just a jealous hater.
Of those 10/25 win seasons, how many were against top 25 teams? One each? Not
much to brag about.
Yawnnn. Just another article for BYU and Utah hate fans to argue over. Who
Hey big ute fan Harmon said good things about the league as a whole not just
BYU alone, but your not smart enough to figure that out. Your just sore because
Jimmer dropped 47 on your hapless ute basketball team pull your head out.
DH.Fine article. Sharp-as-a-tack writing.
"Yes, you will have your own TV deal next year. Good for you. But, no one
outside of you supposed 'fan-base' will be watching. Good luck with
that."Actually, we all know Chris B will be watching too.
The horrible MWC television contract is the principle reason for breaking up the
MWC. Craig Thompson thought that sabbotaging BYU's WAC deal would force BYU to
stay in the MWC.He thought that the MWC and the MTN were better than
nothing.His miscalculated.As it turns out, BYU decided
that nothing (independence) is better than the MWC, but ESPN and BYUtv are a
thousand times better than the MTN.Bronco fans are in for a rough
ride when they see what CT has saddled them with.
To my fellow Cougar fans who are upset at Utah for leaving, thus breaking up the
possibility of a super conference, don't be too hard on them. Here is why:1) They wanted to leave the MWC television contract. It is entirely
possible that a better contract coulod have been negotiated once the nation
realized what a powerful conference it is, but with Thompson in power, don't
count on it.2) I have heard from reliable sources that BYU's
decision to go independent was made 4 or 5 years ago. The only question was the
timing of it. Had Utah not broken the conference up, BYU eventually would
have.As far as Chris B's comment about nobody watching BYU sports
except BYU fans, guess what? Even if ONLY BYU fans watched the games, there
would be more people watching than those watching Utah games. Besides, you know
that there are plenty of BYU haters who will tune in just to cheer against BYU
(I'm sure you do).
@mike wYou obviously didn't read the very 1st comment to this
article posted by bigutefan. You really haven't read dumb if you missed that
Dick,This is one of your better pieces. It is funny how the uneducated
view from the so-called "major 6" conferences will now see Utah and
TCU as power teams just because of who they affiliate with.It is the
same kind of backward thinking that allows Gucci and Versace to succeed. A Louis
Vaton Bag does not make a woman more intelligent and a Ferrari sports car does
not make a man any brighter, but these fools still believe it does.For the MWC teams that are bailing, are doing it for the green, which is an
appropriate reason, given that it still allows good competition. If
someone offerred to buy your car for 1,000,000 versus 20,000 -- which offer
would you accept, all else being equal?
Fresnogirl seems to have the ability to both observe and think logically before
she comments.It's refreshing to read her comments. I hope it may encourage
some civility between opponents.I am both a BYU and Utah fan. I'm
think this is because I've spent considerable time at both universities
academically. As I've said before, I think both are excellent universities, but
very different.I wish I knew some magical way to encourage mutual
respect between bitter rivals, but I don't.
Great stuff Harmon, The MWC is great example of mismanagement and arrogance.
It's a great business model of what not to do. Nobody would have bolted if they
got paid for what they put in. All things can't be equal when half the league
doens't pull it's own weight.
"utah sold their dignity for 30 pieces of silver."Seriously??? That might be the dumbest thing I've read all day, and that's
I was really impressed when I read Dick Harmon's observations relating to the
Cougars' recent success in the nation's two major athletic programs overall.
Personally, I would have been equally impressed had it been the Utes, or the
Aggies that had accomplished this also. When any of our 3 larger University
programs do well on a national scale, I think it's a nice boost for all of us in
our little state.So I was quite surprised to see the for-some-reason
highly negatively-charged comments from a few of the readers here trying to
decry and belittle something no other school IN THE ENTIRE NATION has been able
to accomplish recently but one of our own. What for? Can't you take
pride in the accomplishments of ANY of the schools in our state when they can
achieve something that shows the rest of the nation that we have something we
can be proud of? Why do you have the need to make it into a put-down unless
it's just your own school that's done something? I don't get it.Please. Think about it a little bit.Thanks.
"But, no one outside of you supposed 'fan-base' will be watching."Ha ha, Chris B., I've been waiting to pounce on you and catch you in a
bold faced lie. I've had to wait around for a long time, because you are just
so good! (I'm sorry, but I don't know how to type sarcastically.) But now
you've blown it. Do you really expect us to believe that *you* won't be
watching BYU anymore? HA!BYU's fan base *is* national, and they
have plenty of anti-fans to boot!
@ ernie bass:There's quite a difference between seeing the vast good
that additional funds could do to improve an athletic program and its
facilities, and just "Byu's own love of money", don't you think? That
was the U's chief motivating factor in moving. I'm sure the Aggies would like
to do the same thing, if they could. So what's your thinking in your attempt at
denigrating only BYU's move to try and bring in more funds to help improve their
program??Or shouldn't we be asking about your 'thinking'
capabilities?Jes wundrin...Have a nice day...
Remember why the BcS was created? For BYU.BYU makes more money as an
Indy on National TV than many BcS teams ever will...including utah.
Ufan:You are absolutely correct about the WAC members now joining
the MWC. Had Utah, TCU, and BYU stayed it would be an awesome conference with
the top teams of both conferences. But now they (the Wac guys moving into the
MWC) will languish in relative oblivion not being watched on ESPN.
@ Chris: ARE YOU SERIOUS???"Yes, you will have your own TV
deal next year. But, no one outside of you supposed 'fan-base' will be watching.
Good luck with that." Are you really going to try and ignore
which of all the MWC games have consistently received the highest views from
fans ever since the MWC was formed?? (Hint: it wasn't the UTE games).And which of all the MWC teams has repeatedly garnered the greatest fan
support on their Conference road games?? (Want another HINT? I didn't think
so.)I've always cheered for Utah at their games in the past. But
it's because of your and wedgies' and bigutefan's continual drivel and inanely
prejudicial comments against the successes of BYU's proven programs (see Cali
Coug's, Truth Machine's and even Swoop's comments above that are based on actual
FACTS instead of your examples of prejudice and nonsense) that I was actually
GLAD to see the blowout at the Huntsman last week. Congratulations,
gentlemen--- It was you guys that turned me against them having a good
showing.Think about it. And then maybe you could grow up a little?
Why worry about what might have been? There was no way the Utes were going to
turn down the Pac-10 invite. No way! BYU had been bucking in the harness of
the mtn. for years before that happened, and there was no way BYU would continue
to endure that with Utah gone, and TCU clearly going. We can lament
what MIGHT have been, but not without remembering why it ISN'T. Can't wait to
see what IS about to happen. My opinion? The BCS's days are numbered anyway.
The tide has turned. Maybe a few years, maybe a few more, but a playoff will
come.GO INDEPENDENT COUGARS!
Why can't both the Utes and Cougars fans be happy for each other? Why must
everything be a comparison? Each have chosen their own path, good for them both.
Craig Thompson killed the MWC with his bungled television contract.Boise State, Fresno State, and Nevada would have been better off staying on
ESPN in the WAC.
Mckay,Why don't you and others like you who continually bring up the
Arizona and Arizona St comparison go ask those schools if they will ever give up
and leave the PAC 12? Also, ask them if they regret leaving the WAC for the PAC
10. The answer is obviously No! BYU has been searching for a AQ conference to
land in for a long time and when they couldn't find one they went independent.
The MWC could have been amazing. I don't think anyone would argue with that.
What killed the MWC wasn't the Utes leaving or BYU leaving. It was the
inflexible nature of the really bad TV coverage. Why would either team stay once
they had a better option?Look on the bright side, Utes and Cougs, we
may have suffered with the bad TV coverage for years, but at least we didn't
have to pay the WAC almost a million dollars to do so! Fresno State and Reno get
to do that for the privilege of NOT getting to watch games in what is the WAC
There are no more ardent defenders of made up accomplishments than Utah fans.Utah fans bragged incessantly about a quirky bowl winning streak, but
belittle a true accomplishment like four straight 10+ win/Top 25 seasons,
coupled with four straight 25+ win/NCAA tournament seasons.Utah fans
rightly minimized the significance of BYU's bowl win over UTEP, then,
hypocritically beat their chests about a nine-bowl winning streak, which
included mostly unranked, mediocre opponents.For all of their
bluster, Utah has NEVER in their entire history managed to string even two 10+
win football/25+ win basketball seasons together.
Don't forget about the Fiesta Bowl, Mr. Harmon.So a couger says the love
of money will be Utah's undoing?Name one non-AQ school who wouldn't join
the PAC. Even CU jumped from an AQ league to join. Byu's own love of money is
making them go independent which is a huge gamble. 8 wins against the Idaho
States of the world is going to make them LESS legitimate, not more.byu
will never make a BCS bowl as an independent, but they might as a member of the
MWC.Also, this is their best basketball team in their history and they
still won't make it past the sweet 16, then it will be back to one tourny every
4 years with a 2nd round game once every 25 years.
It's funny how the sentence before Harmon wrote "In four seasons (2006-09),
BYU was the only team in the country to win at least 10 games in football and 25
games in basketball each season", Dick noted Utah's two #1 draft picks
(even though one of them turned out to be a bust), but our insecure little
friend on the hill only noticed the BYU accolade.Of course, BYU's
accomplishment is something Utah has never even come close to accomplishing, so
I can why it would irrate our little brother.
Again Cougar Nation - why read those trolls comments and make remark about
them.Trolls, when you read Dick Harmons he will get credits and you
guys are doing a good job and same extra credit when you trolls do comments on
him. Cougar nation - when you open the comment section - DON'T READ
THOSE TROLLS or write back. Just give Dick Harmons a good pat in the back.Dick - why write now, wait till July 2011 and say HAPPY NEW YEAR
Independent and WCC other sports.
I'll give you cewgs this much: There are no more ardent defenders of the
indefensible than supporters of the tds. The bottom line, though, as bigutefan
has pointed out, is that you struggle to find some fairly meaningless stats to
compensate for a lack of, oh, I don't know--BCS bowls, No. 1 draft picks, being
invited to join an elite conference (now you don't even have a mid-level
conference association), etc. Yes, you will have your own TV deal
next year. Good for you. But, no one outside of you supposed 'fan-base' will be
watching. Good luck with that.
BYU will take their success to the WCC, less competitive? Yes, but a normal year
for the mwc is similar to the WCC who usually has 2 top 25 programs, so I don't
know why ute "fans" think it's a funny move. BYU will be on National
TV-EVERY WEEK, in our 2 biggest sports. That splash being made by
the mwc will be splash-less come July 1.GO BYU
The main idea of the article was to shed some light on how the MWC, as we now
know it, will change and its big three TCU, Utah and BYU will be moving on. The article wasn't attempting in any way to compare or contrast BYU and
Utah. However, when an insecure fan decides to insert his/her insecurities about
their own team into the discussion, it becomes an exercise in flawed logic.Hence, taking a sentence out of context, which leads to defending the
sentence by comparing schools, which leads to finger pointing and then some
religious poke, which is almost always followed by a counter jab about the
intelligence of the initial commentator.In conclusion, the main idea
of a Dick Harmon article is usually lost in translation.
The conference is imploding just as it is becoming prominent. All for chasing
BCS money, led by Utah, and the conference's silliness on broadcasting rights.
Oh well, the love of money is their undoing.
The MWC could have been the most powerful conference in the United States in all
sports. Way better than the PAC 10 and other BCS conferences. In one or two
years with BYU, Utah, TCU, and Boise State, the MWC would have broken the glass
ceiling.But trust the Yewts to chase the money instead of staying
put and forcing the BCS out of business. May the Yewts never rise past 5th
place in the PAC 12 for their stupid indisgression.The whole blame
for this mess lies with the MWC Commissioner. He should have been fired after
arranging that stupid TV contract that caused Utah to bolt.
I can't wait to see and hear all the chest pounding at the u in a couple of
years. Every article about the pac 12 the ute fans will be boasting about even
though their team is at or near the bottom. "Our conference this", and
"Our conference that". But in the footnote will be "utes haven't
done much since they joined the conference of champions".
BYU and Utah BOTH should have stayed in the MWC. Now the Utes will go off and
flounder in the "PAC-12" just like the Arizona schools, and BYU will
be devastated by football independence and playing in that other league over
there. Ask Notre Dame how football independence is going for them, and they
have A LOT better position than BYU in the scheme.Both teams would
have been better served to stay home and keep building success. Instead they
decided to leave right at the moment they were achieving the big time.They both sold out to the "old money" establishment they've been
complaining about for years. Stupid.
Re: BYU Dude at 1243It would have been a great conference, however,
somebody up North got all excited about being the PAC 10's 7th invite to the
Prom...utah sold their dignity for 30 pieces of silver.
Great Job Dick Harmon,It does make you wonder what would have been.
BYU, TCU, UTAH, BSU, WOW !!Football would have been Fun.
And only a Yewet fan would complain about an article written about the
Conference, that included a truthful comment about BYU. Should we compare sport
programs between the Y and the u? Per the MWC web site: Conference
Championships from 2000 to November 2011 - BYU Men 20, utah men 11, and the
women are tied at 20 each. Tournament Championships for the same time period:
BYU Men 41, utah men 3. BYU women 50 and utah women 13.This is why
BYU get mentioned in all articles about the MWC. And the last meeting between a
mens team was BYU 104, utah 79. The womens was BYU 68 and utah 50.
Harmon,You failed to mention that the MWC has had one of its members win a
Fiesta Bowl, in addition to the Sugar Bowl and Rose Bowl. That is important for
several million reasons. $$
bigutefanPoor, jealous little brother; only a Utah fan would whine
about an article simply because it shows that Utah doesn't measure up.No other team in the MWC has even come close to matching BYU's combined record
in football and basketball the last half decade.10+ win seasons are
a significant milestone in football.25+ win seasons are a
significant milestone in basketball.Unfortunately for the Utes, Utah
has seldom finished with 10+ wins in football, and the Utes don't even come
close to 20+ wins in basketball anymore.
Hey bigutefan. Harmon got your attention. You read his article and you even
commented on it. Harmon writes to promote BYU. Why is that so bad.
Doesn't Utah some some journalist that writes about the U? What's his name?
Who cares?Go Cougars.
Only a Harmon article would stretch to find a provo highlight "In four
seasons (2006-09), BYU was the only team in the country to win at least 10 games
in football and 25 games in basketball each season." If you have read any
of the other columns on ESPN or Sportline, byu is not mentioned, the
accomplishments do not exist. Where does byu pull some of these stats from, they
keep track of things people could care less about nor do other schools even
record. How many times has Jimmer cut his hair during just MWC play? Bet
somebody has that stat!