Utah Jazz: Deron Williams, C.J. Miles fuel high-scoring victory over Knicks

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  • Captain L Provo, UT
    Jan. 14, 2011 3:06 p.m.

    Houdini: You have always ragged on CJ.
    Corbin says CJ has the ability to be a go to guy in the NBA, Horny made the point that the Jazz are 15 and 1 when CJ scorers over 13 pts and it wouldn't matter what anyone said you would criticise or jump on the bandwagon of anyone who is criticising CJ.
    Russell and CJ are different players, Russell was tough, hard nosed, a good defensive player, he could hit the open 3, but his offensive game wasn't nearly as good as what CJ's offensive game can be.
    CJ's biggest problem is consistency, if he can become consistent he will be a better player than Russell was. Whether CJ can or will become consistent is the 64 thousand dollar question and is yet to be determined. I'm hoping he will, he's still young. If CJ can become consistent, it will make the Jazz that much better and that is what I am hoping for.

  • The Great Houdini Rye, CO
    Jan. 14, 2011 11:40 a.m.

    You can`t even compare Byron Russell with Miles,Russell was a very dependable,hard working starter,who usually matched up against the other teams best scorer.He was everything Miles is not,I`d take him anyday over CJ

  • The Great Houdini Rye, CO
    Jan. 14, 2011 11:34 a.m.

    Todd,enjoy your hopefully well seasoned crow,but be assured you are right on about diaper boy,he`ll play a good game and then...yes you quessed it...poof ...disappear

  • Captain L Provo, UT
    Jan. 14, 2011 10:54 a.m.

    Another comment on CJ, Hornicek (sp) just noted that the Jazz are 15 and 1 when CJ scores 13 or more.

  • Captain L Provo, UT
    Jan. 14, 2011 9:58 a.m.

    Kakashi & Doc : I disagree with your comparison of CJ to Russell. Russell was a solid roll player/starter, nothing flashy but able to do a pretty good job. CJ has a lot more offensive ability than Russell, that is why Coach Corbin has stated he thinks CJ could be a go to guy in the NBA, Russell played a little better D than CJ does (so far), that being said CJ hasn't shown he can be consistent enough to be the go to guy. Potential wise though CJ has what it takes to be very good, more than the role player your saying his ceiling will be. Whether he will reach that potential is still up in the air, he has had 5+ yrs and he's still not consistent enough to give him props that Corbin was saying could be. He is improving though and he is still young enough that improvement is still possible.
    One of the reasons he seems to struggle and be inconsistent is he doesn't always play with the energy and intensity he should, if he would play as hard as Mathews, he would be an all star.

  • Doctor J Manti, UT
    Jan. 13, 2011 8:45 p.m.

    Kakashi...You are correct!

  • Kakashi Tokyo, Japan
    Jan. 13, 2011 8:34 p.m.

    @CJ Miles

    dont get too high and mighty...for me...CJ Miles is still much like Byron Russel...he is mediocre at best...i gave him credit...where credit is due...but it doesnt mean...i think highly of the guy...5 years having and up and down season...doesnt go well with me...especially if people say you have a lot of talent...CJ is still an immature mediocre role player...who may or may not end up a valuable role player...do you get where im heading with this?...CJ Miles = Role Player...that's all he'll be

  • Captain L Provo, UT
    Jan. 13, 2011 6:11 p.m.

    AnonymousInfinity: I actually like the positive (euphoric)comments over the negative comments. Why is it you seem to always post pesimistic/negative comments. Look for and hope for the positive. It is funner to hope for CJ to have a good game, than to be afraid he won't. The same principle applies to AK or who ever. Big Al isn't as dominating as I would have liked him to be but he's playing pretty good and his shot blocking is better than we anticipated. Milsap is playing better in some ways than I would have thought he could, although he has his games where he doesn't produce like he can.
    The Knicks are pretty good this yr even without a bunch of household names. Last nights game was a good win. I was afraid we might lose if we didn't come out and play well from the start because the Knicks are a good shooting team and a come back would have been difficult with the way they shoot the ball.

  • jazz_man Fajardo, PR
    Jan. 13, 2011 5:47 p.m.

    @Bigpics that's what I was going to say. Why did Coach take so long to call for a timeout when the Knicks were starting to make their run and were bombarding us with 3 pointers? (rollover minutes lol) But other than that good game am happy that they played with some energy right from the get go. On a side note how in the world did Greg Ostertag beat out Mark Eaton as greatest Jazz center of all time???

  • Doctor J Manti, UT
    Jan. 13, 2011 5:05 p.m.

    One reason the Jazz played better is that Earl Watson went in a little sooner!

  • ed Los Olivos, CA
    Jan. 13, 2011 4:19 p.m.

    RE: Blauch
    Please stop confusing all of us with facts. We do not want to actually know that AK has the highest 3 point % on the Jazz team. We would rather continue to demand his removal from the team.

  • Anonymous Infinity American Fork, UT
    Jan. 13, 2011 3:58 p.m.

    ongoing concern is the lack of Jazz big people, as in Fesenko's inability to play meaningful minutes effectively. Continually losing to or having whistling through the cemetary games with the likes of the Sacramento's, Portland's, Golden State's, Charlotte's....and the list goes on, is troubling. Nagging ongoing injuries disrupts team chemistry and effectiveness. This next 5 game road trip could be a wash on wins or losses, or a devastating debacle depending on 'see what happen(s)' according to the famous words of Karl Malone.

  • Anonymous Infinity American Fork, UT
    Jan. 13, 2011 3:52 p.m.

    Hold on everybody, before the euphoria goes off the scale. New York is at least 3 or 4 players away from a dynasty. Come on man. The Knicks are not rostered up with any household names other than Amare Stoudemire. Getting into a track meet with those guys and winning on your home court is not something to crow about...far from it. I want to see the next Jazz extended roady before I get all warm and fuzzy about anything Jazz related. Okur did show some signs of getting back to being able to play; but until he takes some roughing up inside, and can drive with authority to the rack, I am reserving judgement. CJ Miles had a good game, but I want to see several games in a row with decent stats before I go crazy about him. Deron Williams also had a decent game and didn't overly dominate the ball, which is a fault in my opinion, when the Jazz go stale. My

  • toddfromsantaana Santa Ana, CA
    Jan. 13, 2011 3:21 p.m.

    CJ easy for you to bash but Miles has not consistently put back to back games. Also, I have been a firm supporter of his ever since the Denver series and I actually feel he should be starting at the #2 but hey it worked out. Raja had a great game and we are all happy for him

  • wyoming cougar Green River, WY
    Jan. 13, 2011 3:01 p.m.

    I think that part of the problem with Millsap last night was the match-up problems. He was guarding Williams in the 3rd when he hit the 3 3's in a row and sagging too far off of him. New York had gone pretty small and I think Jerry was just countering with AK @ the 4 for a little more quickness and length.

    Either way- good win for the JAZZ. Keep it going!

  • louisiana jazz man Dubach, LA
    Jan. 13, 2011 2:22 p.m.

    knicks have no def. so i wouldn't get to pumped up. cj and kirlinko and jefferson do preety good against teams that their center on the bench rest of the team in foul trouble on the bench. probly will do preety good against clevland too

  • Jazzman72 Springville, UT
    Jan. 13, 2011 1:35 p.m.

    Nice to see a good start to the game, as well as a good finish. Nice to see Memo back. That gives them more firepower and rebounding off the bench. I like seeing AK at the 4. He is a better shot blocker, rebounder and post player from that position.

  • Bigpics Spring Valley, NY
    Jan. 13, 2011 1:06 p.m.

    This was certainly the most purely entertaining home game watch of the season to date.

    And given the slow start problem all season - maybe the Jazz (depending on the opposition of course) should consider going more uptempo at the beginning of games before settling into traditional "Jazz Basketball" - which works very well once they're engaged.

    And something I've wanted to say for years: one of my few criticisms of Sloan is in his use, or rather lack of use of strategic time outs once another team has grabbed the "mo." Jerry wants to "trust his guys to be men," but lets leads shrink by more or deficits pile up more than almost any other coach in the league. And, hey, Jer, they're not like rollover minutes you can use in the next game.

    So please consider using the occasional earlier TO to occasionally take the steam out of the other team's roller before your team gets flattened.

  • Captain L Provo, UT
    Jan. 13, 2011 12:40 p.m.

    Re blauch: To go along with your comments, it would be a good thing for Sloan to use that line up of Okur, CJ, AK, DWill and Watson, that opens up the lanes alot. CJ, DWill, Okur and to little lesser extent Watson can all hit the outside shot or take it to the hole but it would open up the middle for AK to drive or slash to the rim where he is most effective. AK has played a lot better than a lot of people want to give him credit and he does so many things well on the court, he would be hard to replace.

  • Captain L Provo, UT
    Jan. 13, 2011 12:31 p.m.

    CJMiles: That first paragraph of yours, I thought was a quote from Houdini, (laugh). I am hoping CJ continues to become more consistent, he has all the talent, sometimes he looks out of shape but maybe that's just his natural body language. Last night he seemed to relax a bit on D and got burned a few times. Hate to see those moments. When CJ plays well the Jazz are real tough. Keep it up CJ.
    Love to see the Jazz play at that up tempo pace.
    When Sloan decides to hang em up, I hope they find a coach that has Sloans attitude about D but who likes the up tempo style and the 3 pt shot.

  • blauch Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 13, 2011 12:16 p.m.

    Kirilenko played really well all season (outside of the few games it has taken him to come back from the back injury.

    As far as everyone assessment of Kirilenko not going to the rim enough - just stop please. He is shooting 38% of his shots inside (that does not include his the times he gets fouled)

    Look at other players
    Miles 20%
    James 27%
    Pierce 29%
    Melo 37%
    Bryant 19%
    Gay 20%
    Wade 43%
    Durrant 15%
    Wes Matthew 29% - I miss him

    Anyway - Kirilenko shoots a ridiculous amount of his shots at the rim. But players can't go inside every play. Just ask the U of U.

    One of the problems is when the Jazz stop shooting outside teams just close the lane and the Jazz offense really stops. Kirilenko needs the opponents to come out and guard him for him to be effective. So hopefully he just keeps making outside shots.

  • CJ Miles Dallas, TX
    Jan. 13, 2011 11:45 a.m.

    That CJ guy is no good. He can't put together back-to-back games. Trade him for Luke Walton. It's amazing that he is even in the league. He should be in the Dleague......

    Jerry finally listened to me and brought CJ into the game earlier in the 1st quarter. Nice move Jerry. For that reason, the Jazz were not behind by 10.

    Oh and those horrible players in AK and Bell who shouldn't be playing, they sure looked good last night.

    Where are the comments today? Even Kakashi can't swallow the fact that CJ is a player! He still tries to bash making his comments irrelevent in the future.

  • Iowa Jazz Fan 2 Cedar Rapids, IA
    Jan. 13, 2011 11:20 a.m.

    Millsap came out in the third quarter and never returned. He's almost always in there at crunch time -- but not last night. I thought to myself, "Uh-oh! He's tweaked something!" But no reports that I can find about him hurting anything . . . .

  • B Russ Ephraim, UT
    Jan. 13, 2011 11:20 a.m.

    When Miles takes good shots within the flow of the offense he can get it going as we saw last night. The only shots he missed were the ones he jacked up a little quick. Also Okur and Miles seem to compliment each other and can go inside out, outside in with either one able to shoot the 3 or take it to the hole. Kirilenko was very effective playing the 4 alongside Miles and Okur with Watson and D Will at the guard positions.

    The first unit played very good as well. I thought we saw some excellent ball movement and execution though out this game. The unselfish play was contagious and paid big dividends with everyone contributing to the win.

  • Motappin Sandy, UT
    Jan. 13, 2011 9:25 a.m.

    I agree with what Matt said last night. AK needs to play around the basket more; that's where he shines. If he'll do that we'll have even more of a presence there. They started this game with an inside-then-out execution and it was nice to see. They need to learn to defend the 3 better and adjust their inside/out defense to how the opposition is playing and who's hot, but their execution overall was good. Lost of assists, decent turnovers, rebounds, etc. So nice to have Memo back, and CJ and Raja were both excellent. If those 3 can continue to shoot well that will really open up the lane for us. Good job guys!

  • Doctor J Manti, UT
    Jan. 13, 2011 9:10 a.m.

    I like AK inside the paint!

  • louisiana jazz man Dubach, LA
    Jan. 13, 2011 8:54 a.m.

    kirlinko could play like that every night if he wanted to. for 17 mil you expect it.smelling to me like a trade with kirlinko looming.

  • Hugh G. Hater SLC, UT
    Jan. 13, 2011 6:59 a.m.

    Jazz Math

    Agressive AK + Agressive DWill= Win

  • Anonigma Murray, UT
    Jan. 13, 2011 1:30 a.m.

    This is the type of game I'd like to see from AK. He should quit shooting those stupid long 2's and give Jazz defensive energy (blocks and steals) and offensive rebounds.

  • Johnson72 Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 13, 2011 1:03 a.m.

    That was a very good game, Shawne Williams tore it up in the 3rd. But Memo(Money) was there. Good to see Memo back.

  • toddfromsantaana Santa Ana, CA
    Jan. 12, 2011 11:31 p.m.

    Of course I am glad to eat crow, predicting CJ could not do it back to back games. A lot of good did come from tonight. Maybe a high energy, high scoring game brought the best out of AK. He played an overall game few better in the last 3 to 4 years. Okur looked excellent in his return and had strength and no shortness in the shots. DWIL ran the team with confidence and maturity, did not try and do too much and tonight looked like a championship point.

    Raja Bell answered the bell with a tremendous overall game and even penetrated and got to the line. CJ was exceptional especially in just 26 minutes. Watson usually excellent was. He had the 5 points, whopping plus-minus and had 3 steals.

    The Jazz unfortunately got caught up in the 2nd half again not guarding the line as they let guard down and Knicks still shot too high at 48 percent.

    However, the positives far outweigh the negatives and it was an exciting game as the Knicks could have quit much sooner...It was fortunate Amare had foul trouble or it could have been closer game

  • Kakashi Tokyo, Japan
    Jan. 12, 2011 11:06 p.m.

    I have to say...CJ Miles put up very good numbers tonight...if he only he could do this consistently...oh well..at least we won

  • klepsydra Longmont, CO
    Jan. 12, 2011 11:06 p.m.

    I liked what I saw with the start in this game. Bell being a contributor on offense really helped. I don't know if anyone else noticed but CJ came into the game early and AK came back in later to play the 4 with the second unit. He runs well at the 4 with the second unit at that position. We also got a glimpse of how potent it will be with Okur doing his thing.