Utah Utes football: Will Norm Chow, Tim Davis join Utes' coaching staff?

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  • J1234 Spanish Fork, Utah
    Jan. 14, 2011 4:42 p.m.

    Looks like Ute4life's been owned.

    Resident finds quotes to back up his stuff and you, ute4life, just resorts to the same old stuff.

    It's ok, dude, using ybu just shows your own IQ. Not hard to see that.

  • Ute4life Sandy, UT
    Jan. 14, 2011 4:31 p.m.

    @ resident (when you claimed that moniker were you thinking along the lines of 'resident moron')... you see... the difference between the post you looked up (which illustrates that you have no life whatsoever in looking up posts from September) and some of your fellow ybu fans is that we don't start talking about National Championships until the season has actually started. When you print out thousands of Quest shirts in the summer that is a clear illustration of the delusion that you live in. Likewise... when a team wins two BCS games in a 5 year span there is more reason to believe that a NC is possible than when a team hasn't even SNIFFED a BCS game. That said... the Utes pretty much wet the bed after the TCU loss (up to that point it was a pretty successful season)... there's no denying that. That loss got in their heads and certainly affected the rest of their season. I'll continue to use ybu... deal with it... 'bud'.

  • Resident Salem, UT
    Jan. 14, 2011 3:50 p.m.


    Haha, good job trying to turn that one me.

    Anyway, I know we lost. We had that kind of season. Again, not denying it. That's not even the point. Good try though. I don't have to man up to anything, bud. I mean, look at the caliber team we only lost to by one point:

    "Chris B | 8:59 a.m. Sept. 22, 2010
    Salt Lake City, UT
    Top 5 in no time.

    NC game here we come! I've been this team has a legit chance to make it to the title game. Sure, a couple things have to fall into place, such as Ohio State, Alabamba losing a game, but those conferences beat up on each other in conference play that I don't see 2 undefeated teams. I think we will jump Boise eventually through strength of schedule.

    I have validation from Sports Illustrated as well."

    Hmmmmm.... My favorite is the part where you guys would jump Boise. Instead you got worked by Boise's "cheerleaders."

    Can't get over your fetish for "ybu" huh? Pity.

  • Ute4life Sandy, UT
    Jan. 14, 2011 3:19 p.m.

    Resident... 'big boys'??? Seriously??? That's pretty pathetic in and of itself right? When you are lil' fellas just gonna man up to a loss to your rival? Instead of trying to dilute it? A win is a win. Bottom line is we own scoreboard for the rest of the year. And as far as 'hawking overrated rankings' ... that title is reserved for ybu. Everyone knows that - according to y fans - your team is the perrenial pre-season National Champs. Good job on being a self-proclaimed 'big boy' though. Keep up the good work... lil' fella.

  • Resident Salem, UT
    Jan. 14, 2011 2:32 p.m.


    Look it up, bro. Obviously nobody is saying that now, you've been exposed enough.

    BYU exposed by Utah State? What are you talking about? We weren't hawking some overrated ranking. Everybody knew BYU was bad this year. I'm not denying it, am I?

    Plus, everything you say against BYU's team this year makes your team look worse. 17-16... awesome win over such a "exposed team against Utah State." Sorry, that just sounds dumb.

    I didn't predict a BCS run... Sorry. Go ahead, find the stories, read my comments... be my guest.

    When you're done... realize it's "BYU".

    I'm sorry, but when trash talk resorts to "tds" and "ybu" and even "yewties" (BYU fans) it gets pretty lame. Hint for talking with the big boys: get over the middle school talk.

    utahcountyute | 9:24 a.m. Sept. 22, 2010
    Cedar Hills, UT
    It is going to be fun to get to those final 5 games AFA,ND,TCU SDSU and byu. Can't wait.

    You gotta love college football! Especially when your team does not have a QB issue and has a great defense.


  • Ute4life Sandy, UT
    Jan. 14, 2011 1:43 p.m.

    "Resident"... Can you please provide proof of fans etc. saying we should be #5 in the nation? Exposed? Maybe... but I would rather be exposed by TCU, Notre Dame and BSU than... shall we say Utah State?

    I'll ask you the same thing I've asked all the ybu fans making predictions for Utah in the PAC12... Did you find that crystal ball that you threw away when you predicted a BCS run a few years ago when Bradford got hurt and you beat OU? How'd that work out for ya? I'll keep my eye out for you in your "Quest" shirt... I'm sure you still wear it proudly.

  • Resident Salem, UT
    Jan. 14, 2011 11:59 a.m.


    I love the whole "tds" thing. Most Ute fans I talk to got really mad when Meyer left your program, yet you guys can't get enough of his "tds" quote. "We hate him, but we'll quote him forever."

    But, I guess if I had to argue with some ute fan in middle school, that'd probably be the best thing he'd come up with to use as well.

    I imagine it would go something like this.

    Me: "You're team got exposed.."

    Middle Schooler (oblivious ute): "No we didn't, but you guys are the tds!"

    Haha, way to get under our skin... oh wait.

    By the way, remember when you're talking about BYU's team this year and how bad they were, that you have to remember Utah's pathetic performance against them. There was nothing more satisfying (other than a win would have been, I admit) than seeing your chest thumping "we should be #5 in the nation" get exposed by TCU, Notre Dame, a bad BYU, and Boise State.

    Good luck in pac obscurity.

  • Ute4life Sandy, UT
    Jan. 14, 2011 9:42 a.m.

    @ snackpack... if you think that in 1984 compared to 2004 and 2008 teams were measured in the same way... you don't know football. You don't even belong on these message boards.

  • TheSportsAuthority Arlington, VA
    Jan. 13, 2011 8:30 p.m.

    #1 is #1 hedgehog

    Who you play in your bowl has never been a criteria for being selected #1 in the polls.

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    Jan. 13, 2011 8:06 p.m.


    How do you know that TCU wasn't the best team in the nation in 2010?

    BYU was measured in 1984 in exactly the same way Utah was measured in 2004 and 2008.

    AP Final Poll
    BYU 1984 #1
    Utah 2008 #2
    Utah 2004 #4
    BYU 1996 #5

    The Utes just didn't quite measure up to being voted National Champions.

    Your misguided opinions notwithstanding, even the BCS has seldom matched the two undisputed best teams; in fact, in 2003, the team that finished #1 in the final regular season AP and Coaches polls, didn't even get invited to the BCS championship game.

  • hedgehog Ann Arbor, MI
    Jan. 13, 2011 7:42 p.m.

    "Drop by BYU's Sport Hall of Fame sometime to see the trophies, including one of those crystal football trophies just like the one given to Auburn this week"

    Just the flakes,

    Actually Auburn got a much differnt trophy. One which measured the two best teams in the nation. BYU got nothing more than a goody bag for playing in a mid December scrub bowl against a team with a .500 record.

    Very similar to what the tds did this year.

  • Just the FAX Olympus Cove, Utah
    Jan. 13, 2011 7:31 p.m.

    hedgehog and utahcountyute

    here's the most important, indisputable little nugget about BYU's 1984 National Championship:

    After careful scrutiny for over a month and after carefully watching BYU prove their worthiness in a gutsy win over Michigan in the Holiday Bowl

    BYU was voted #1 in every major national poll!

    PROVING that the majority of poll voters believed that BYU was the MOST DESERVING team to win the 1984 National Championship.

    From the OFFICIAL NCAA website

    FBS Football Championship History
    Year Champion Selecting Organization

    1985 Oklahoma AP, FWAA, NFF, USA/CNN, UPI
    1984 Brigham Young AP, FWAA, NFF, USA/CNN, UPI
    1983 Miami (Fla.) AP, FWAA, NFF, USA/CNN, UPI

    Notice, absolutely no difference in the organizations that selected Oklahoma, BYU and Miami as National Champions.

    FIVE different national organizations selected BYU as their 1984 National Champions.

    Drop by BYU's Sport Hall of Fame sometime to see the trophies, including one of those crystal football trophies just like the one given to Auburn this week.

  • Ute4life Sandy, UT
    Jan. 13, 2011 6:36 p.m.

    @J1234... I just call em' like I see em'. And what I see is a typical ybu fan making excuses for losing instead of manning up and accepting being beat by the Utes. If you're not a ybu fan... please enlighten us all as to which team your allegiance belongs to.

  • Veritas Aequitas Fruit Heights, UT
    Jan. 13, 2011 6:34 p.m.

    utahcountyute | 3:09 p.m. Jan. 13, 2011
    Cedar Hills, UT
    Just so you all know, Norm Chow played his college ball at the U.


    Seriously, this is fresh to everyone, except those who knew it during the 1970's.

    Hey, break the news on the '84 BYU National Championship while you are at it....

    Really, BYU was NC in 1084. The Utes will use it if it helps them...

  • hedgehog Ann Arbor, MI
    Jan. 13, 2011 4:58 p.m.


    "Let's look at the here and now:"

    hmmm, do you really want to go there?

    I'm guessing you don't have an mirrors in your moms basement- do you?

    This has been the ultimate train wreck of a season/program for the kewgs.

  • Razzle2 Bluffdale, UT
    Jan. 13, 2011 4:46 p.m.

    I'd like to see Chow retire in Utah. BYU can't afford him. If he did go back to the Y we would be ecstatic. So, what is the word for these very few U haters that claim to be Y fans and bad mouth Coach Chow. sounds like jealousy, so stop embarrassing us. Norm Chow was great at BYU and unbelievable at USC and did fairly well with the NFL. Sounds like a coach for the coaches.

  • J1234 Spanish Fork, Utah
    Jan. 13, 2011 4:46 p.m.


    Let's look at the here and now:

    Your football team exposed by TCU, Notre Dame, BYU, and Boise State.

    Your basketball team... No need to point out what's been happening at the MC North.

  • Fed Employee Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 13, 2011 4:39 p.m.


    Here's a nugget and history lesson for your nugget. The NCAA does not endorse a national championship in football. Because of this then every national championship in colege football is mythical much like you claim BYU's to be. That means that Notre Dame, USC, Alabama, Texas, et al have never won a NCAA national championship in college football. There are multiple AP national championships in college football because that's what decided it for a long time. Guess what? BYU's national championship was awarded by the AP just like Alabama's and Notre Dames's before them. That means that it is just as credible and your nuggets are most assuardly not made of gold but rather a more base substance.

  • hedgehog Ann Arbor, MI
    Jan. 13, 2011 4:10 p.m.

    Truth Machine,

    Thanks for the little history lesson. I found a few nuggets concerning your little *NC84 (that you seem to cling onto for identity.) Would you like to "discuss" such nuggets or would you simply like to "look it up"? Either way, it's pretty sad.

    Seem like the "truth machine" is broken.

  • utahcountyute Cedar Hills, UT
    Jan. 13, 2011 3:54 p.m.

    Truth Machine,

    Thanks for the history lesson. So, Utah won an NCAA Tournament Championship is what you are saying? Thanks for clarifying.

    So is byu's football NC really an NC? I mean, it wasn't in the BCS era. Does it really count? hmmmmm

  • Swoop Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 13, 2011 3:47 p.m.


    You're welcome to your opinion, but NOBODY considers Utah the birthplace of the modern collegiate passing game. It certainly wasn't developed or used at Utah while Chow was playing for the Utes. It wasn't used at Utah State when LaVell played for the Aggies.

    LaVell Edwards was a defensive coach before he became BYU's head coach, but it was LaVell who decided to implement the passing game at BYU. It was LaVell who assembled the offensive team that made BYU Quarterback U.

    There were lots of contributions from many different coaches, including Norm Chow and Doug Scoville, but it was LaVell's brainchild.

    To insinuate that Utah had anything to do with the development of BYU's passing game is ludicrous.

    On the other hand, numerous coaches who learned how to coach at the feet of LaVell, helped build the Utah program into what it is today.

  • Truth Machine Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 13, 2011 3:30 p.m.

    Rock of Marne

    Utah 1944 NCAA tournament champions
    Utah 1947 NIT champions
    BYU 1951 NIT champions
    BYU 1966 NIT champions

    It appears that BYU's national championships were much more recent, and thus, much more relevant than Utah's national championships.

    In truth, none of them can be consider "national championships".

    In 1944, the NCAA was the new kid on the block and considered the 2nd best tournament of the day.

    That's why Utah played in the 1944 NIT first where they were soundly beaten by Kentucky.

    By 1947, the NCAA had over-taken the NIT as the more prestigious tournament, and has been ever since.

    Besides, how can you claim a "national championship" when your ENTIRE regular season schedule consisted of THREE games - two against Idaho State and one against Colorado College?

    Utah only played 7 games in 1944 and finished with a 6-1 record.

    Feel free to look it up if you don't believe that.

    The vast majority of schools suspended their basketball programs in 1944, and the few remaining teams consisted mostly of Freshmen and Sophomores because all of the upper-classmen were off fighting a world war.

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    Jan. 13, 2011 3:22 p.m.


    you said;

    "Not to mention how this affects recruiting. Do BYU fans remember all of the top Utah football players who picked USC or UCLA the last decade?

    Do they remember who the lead recruiter for almost all of them was? Because Utah fans remember very vividly, and that coach is now part of the U?"

    Memo to misguided Utes....


    U plays in the 2nd smallest stadium in the pac-12.

    They play in the Coliseum with 90k fans and the Rose Bowl with 70k fans.

    They have Heismans, Outlands, Davey Obriens, Doak Walkers, College Hall of Famers, Consensus All-Americans and NC's.

    They are "Legend" schools, you know...like BYU.

    Start by winning more than 3 outright Conference Championships in 53 years, as you have done, and it would be a good start.

    But remember, it takes generations. Not just 2 BCS
    bowls in 6 years.

    Chow is a good man and sent all his kids to BYU. He is greatly appreciated.

    It was time for him to move on from BYU.

    Change is good...does He make Utah a contender?

    Not likely

  • TJ Eagle Mountain, UT
    Jan. 13, 2011 3:22 p.m.

    I refer to you as little brother for the same reason the Y haters do it. Cause it get's under your skin. And of course, because it is true. BYU athletics has been carrying the rest of the WAC and MWC schools for decades. That is probably why you hate us. You mentioning insecurity is a big laugher. You spew obsessed, jealousy inspired garbage constantly and then turn your other face when you get it back. I personally do not feel small at all compared to the PAC. I am sure that BYU will not either. They will be very successful as an independent because they are nationally relevant. You have 2 BCS wins. BYU has a NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP. All water under the bridge though, right? Keep telling yourself your not little brother...After a couple of seasons in the PAC you will be feeling more like the little sister in the State of Utah. Good luck with your insecurity.

  • Henry Drummond San Jose, CA
    Jan. 13, 2011 3:21 p.m.

    I think the problem at UCLA had more to do with defense than offense. He would be a great OC from Utah.

    I think Norm got into a similar situation at BYU that Anae did and left. He certainly has had a lot of success and I believe he would do well here.

  • fender Washington, UT
    Jan. 13, 2011 3:16 p.m.

    This guy has the best OC resume in the country, and it's a real coup for the Utes if it happens. The odd thing is that given BYU's offense Chow would have been the perfect hire for them as the premier pro style guru. He would be a tremendous tutor for Heaps and while he was at USC I recall his saying James Lark, BYU's backup, was one of the top five high school QBs in the country. At BYU he would have the type of QB he prefers.

    Likely had no interst in BYU, but in terms of a fit, that would have been the obvious choice.

  • utahcountyute Cedar Hills, UT
    Jan. 13, 2011 3:09 p.m.

    Just so you all know, Norm Chow played his college ball at the U.

    I always love it when cougs claim that they made college football and that the "program" formed these coaches into what they are today. dillusion

    If that's the case, why is Bronco your head coach and not K Whitt, who turned the "program" down?

    chew on that

    If Chow does get hired, it is an interesting situation. I think that the Langi decision and Chow being hired go hand in hand for some reason though.

    I guess we will have to see.

  • Veritas Aequitas Fruit Heights, UT
    Jan. 13, 2011 2:46 p.m.

    Dr. Chow was key to BYU's NC, and many individual awards.

    His seperation from BYU was handled poorly, but is what it is, and things have worked out nicely for Dr. Chow.

    The chance to return to coach where he played his college ball is always an exciting thought.

    Has anyone heard if the deal has even been done?

  • Where's Stockton ??? Bowling Green, OH
    Jan. 13, 2011 2:38 p.m.

    @Rock of the Marne

    It's Nationional Championship...you need to drop the s. We have loooonnnng ago conseded that Utah does indeed have an NCAAM BB National Championship trophy collecting a lot more dust than our 84 football one... but come on that was back when they were still using peach baskets for rims. The old NIT was sort of used as a measuring stick National Championship wise but it had a very limited field... unlike the former previous 64 and now 65 team NCAA tournaments of today. And just how many NIT banners are hanging up north??? BYU has a bunch hanging around...but we don't make a big thing out of them.


  • skywalker Palo Alto, CA
    Jan. 13, 2011 2:32 p.m.

    "Chow was never given the opportunity to be a head coach"

    Chow has been gone from BYU for over a decade. How many head coaching jobs has he had since he left BYU?

    More importantly, how many successful head coaching jobs has he had since he left BYU?

    If he's head coaching material, why is he coming to Utah to fill the same position he held at BYU over a decade ago?

  • J1234 Spanish Fork, Utah
    Jan. 13, 2011 2:21 p.m.


    You're right, it took Burton's block and a blown call for your OVERRATED team to beat a bad BYU team.

    My boyfriend? Wow, that is a very mature Ute comment.

    P.S. Who said I was a BYU fan?

  • hedgehog Ann Arbor, MI
    Jan. 13, 2011 2:12 p.m.

    Where's Stockton,

    Great points. I think you hit a very painful nerve with the tds. Deep down, most feel Chow would have been the coach to bridge the gap after lavelle left. "Differences" occured and I think most tds fans hoped it would never come back to haunt them......BOO!

  • Where's Stockton ??? Bowling Green, OH
    Jan. 13, 2011 2:09 p.m.

    @ TrueBlue

    Losing sleep??? Easy to say with Utah heading off to the PAC. The rivalry will never be the same... especially due in part with any scheduled games between the two schools being moved to the preseason. And forget National Championships don't even bring them into the equation. They shouldn't be anything more than just an after thought until the preseason is long over and regular season play is around the halfway mark. Even being independent. That time slot in late November was always a magical time...especially when a conference championship going either way was riding the line. I think you greatly underestimate the situation. Norm Chow still has the ability to bring sleepless nights to more than just us oldtimers.


  • screenname123 Sandy, UT
    Jan. 13, 2011 1:49 p.m.

    Some posts on here regarding Boylen. You will love this; he was at Alta High last night watching the Alta VS Lone Peak game. As far as I can tell, there were TWO D-1 prospects on the floor last night. I believe one is a freshman and the other a sophomore. BOTH of which have huge ties to BYU. Does Boylen really think he'll be around in two years to have these kids??? Even if he is, he needs to be looking elsewhere. The chances of landing them are next to ZERO. And yes, I am a Utah fan. No wonder they keep losing on the hill. GO AFTER KIDS YOU KNOW YOU HAVE AT LEAST A SHOT AT GETTING!

  • Where's Stockton ??? Bowling Green, OH
    Jan. 13, 2011 1:43 p.m.

    I fully disagree with True Blue's assessment...largely because Chow was never given the opportunity to be a head coach and too much was made by some of the local media of unsubstanciated rumors that Chow was not a people oriented person able to relate to his players. Most of that malarky was made to seem real by local media because Chow sometimes would refuse to talk to them...especially when the team would lose... He didn't like the media and you can't really blame him. A certain BYU basketball Coach I remember didn't like the local media either especially when a mountain was created out of a molehill over a remark that 13 million people would be disappointed if a certain rcruit picked Duke over BYU. We all know how that turned out don't we???

    Anyways...there's no way anyone can make an assessment like that since Chow has never been a Head Coach. Crowton was given that opportunity. If Jim Harbaugh does take his Offensive Coordinator with him to the 9er's and Mike Johnson is out and headed as rumored to UCLA...then just where does that leave Norm Chow?

  • Cali Coug Visalia, CA
    Jan. 13, 2011 1:38 p.m.

    The Yewets will do very well in the PAC-12. There isn't any Pac-12 team they can't beat, on any given day of the week. There is no differecnec between the MWC and the PAC.

    The Yewets will lose to BYU, but play in the conference championship game and give the UO a run for their money.

  • TrueBlue Orem, UT
    Jan. 13, 2011 1:26 p.m.

    Where's Stockton ???

    What makes you think Chow would be a good head coach?

    Chow was a good OC at BYU, but I seriously doubt that BYU fans will be losing any sleep over Chow becoming Utah's OC.

    If it works out for Chow at Utah, we wish him well. Having Chow as Utah's OC won't affect BYU in the slightest.

  • VegasUte Las Vegas, NV
    Jan. 13, 2011 1:18 p.m.

    Welcome home guys! Back where you belong!!

  • IDC Boise, ID
    Jan. 13, 2011 1:14 p.m.

    I think Jamie Hill might be available as well.

    Seriously though, Chow would likely do a fine job. It would be interesting to see what happened as well.

  • Where's Stockton ??? Bowling Green, OH
    Jan. 13, 2011 1:02 p.m.

    Wow...now that would be something that the Y would have a hard time living down. I hate to admit it but it would serve us right. One of the biggest admistrative blunders ever in BYU sports. Despite what anyone has to say about Norm Chow...he should have been Lavell Edwards replacement. Crowton... although another good Offensive Coach was the wrong person...and there still remains today little doubt about the mistake that was made at the time.

    If this were to be true Kyle Whitingham has pulled off one of the greatest sporting coups of all time. Neuheisel...UCLA's present Head Coach has a bad knact of making every program he takes over a disaster area. Look what he did to Colorado...then again at Washington and now UCLA despite having Chow . Coach Donahue would have given Chow a freer rein to run the Offense. Neuheisel micro manages and runs assistants crazy second guessing their every decision. Pete Carrol at USC utilized Chow very effectively while Carson Palmer and Lienart were qb's there. Carrol's problem was his ego. He couldn't handle that Chow was seen as the Master and he the apprentice.

  • TrueBlue Orem, UT
    Jan. 13, 2011 12:44 p.m.

    "He is as much, if not more, to thank for BYUs past successes as LaVell Edwards."

    Norm was a big part of BYU's success, but he was a tradesman; LaVell was the architect.

    Even a tradesman, however, needs raw materials to work with and Utah's offensive cupboard for next season is nearly bare.

    The main reason Norm Chow left BYU is he wanted to be a head coach and BYU wasn't willing to offer him that job. His track record since he left BYU shows that BYU made the correct assessment of his potential as a head coach.

    Like Gary Crowton proved, being a great offensive coordinator doesn't necessarily translate into being a great head coach. They're completely different skill sets.

  • Ute4life Sandy, UT
    Jan. 13, 2011 12:33 p.m.

    TJ et al...All you zoobs keep referring to yourselves as 'big brother'. Are you really that insecure? Do you really feel that small next to the PAC-12 and two BCS wins under our belt? Keep telling yourselves you're big brother... but as of this last season... you're probably closer to little sister in the State of Utah considering you lost to BOTH teams up North.

  • dalep2u Herriman, UT
    Jan. 13, 2011 12:31 p.m.

    If Norm helps the U move from a spread offence, then all the better. The spread offense is too slow at developing. These days to compete at the top, you need to be quick...particularly if you don't have the size of your opponents! Oregon,CU, BSU...they all have quick offenses that help offset the size of the power house teams! They can play at the top level, because their plays don't take an ice age to develop. That said..until the U get's Wynn to more...then it's going to continue to be easy for opponents to corral him. Let me guess what he's going to do???? Oh yeah...sit in the pocket that is getting overwhelmed by the other teams huge line and blitzes!!!!

  • Ute4life Sandy, UT
    Jan. 13, 2011 12:30 p.m.

    re: J1234 ... Is that the same bug zapper that sent Brandon Burton sailing through the air to block your boyfriend's field goal attempt?

  • Otis Spurlock Ogden, UT
    Jan. 13, 2011 12:23 p.m.

    When I read about Norm Chow this morning, I immediately got on Cougar Board to see how our disloyal, unrealistic fans were reacting. Sure enough, there are dozens, maybe hundreds, of comments denigrating Norm Chow and ridiculing Utah for hiring him. Norm Chow, Dudes.

    Norm Chow is one of, if not the most, successful D-1 offensive coordinator in the history of the NCAA. He is as much, if not more, to thank for BYUs past successes as LaVell Edwards. Everywhere hes gone hes brought success with him. Hes coached several Heisman winners and honed and refined BYUs commitment to and expertise in passing the football. The entire NCAA, and the NFL, now uses Chows offense or derivatives of his offense. He is football genius.

    Norm actually graduated from Utah and played there as a student athlete. He is not only a great offensive strategist and organizer, he has always been a Ute. Now, hes going back home to where the fans wont turn on him after a QB throws an incomplete pass.

  • TJ Eagle Mountain, UT
    Jan. 13, 2011 12:13 p.m.

    Once again, the U looks to big brother for help righting the ship. Getting quite a few of the Y alum and past coaches up there aren't you? I don't blame you. I hope Norm is successful there and that he can help keep utah competitive in the PAC.
    Norm Chow was an innovator at BYU. He was on the leading edge because he was at BYU under Lavell Edwards who was himself a hall of fame level innovator(I give some credit to Norm for Lavells and BYU's success). Reality is that the rest of College football has caught up with Norm. He is just one of many peddling the same style offense. Defenses have evolved and adjusted. As was mentioned above, he will likely be successful if he has good players, less likely if he does not. Norm is not the difference maker he once was. Look at his teams records since he left the Y.
    Good luck Norm. It will be good to have you back in the state.

  • J1234 Spanish Fork, Utah
    Jan. 13, 2011 11:49 a.m.


    I know the light you're talking about.. They call it a bug zapper. Utes see the light, follow the light, and ZAP! You're down 40-0 against TCU.

  • J1234 Spanish Fork, Utah
    Jan. 13, 2011 11:47 a.m.


    You're right. It takes real talent for Wynn to trip over himself when pulling back in the pocket. He also has a great sense for the sidelines. Good relationship with them too. I think they've become his favorite go-to players when he's in trouble. Very talented... Yep.

    All that talent really fared well against TCU, Notre Dame, BYU, and Boise State.

  • Ute4life Sandy, UT
    Jan. 13, 2011 11:24 a.m.

    Re: J. Newey.... "What is with all the ex-ybu players and coaches up on the hill?" you ask... Its pretty much common sense... They've all seen the light.

  • Toonces the Cat Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 13, 2011 11:19 a.m.

    Norm Chow had such a good record at UCLA! He is going to have an ever better winning percentage now that he will have Jordan Wynn going up against the exact same teams! Go Utes! Go Jordan Wynn's mustache!

  • Ute4life Sandy, UT
    Jan. 13, 2011 11:18 a.m.

    RE: Balan... seriously? You're gonna talk about 'arrogance'? This coming from a fan base that made up 'Quest shirts' (I'm sure you still wear yours proudly) and chanted 'BCS' when breaking huddles? Everyone knows that ybu is the perennial pre-season National Champions right!?

  • SoCalUte Trabuco Canyon, CA
    Jan. 13, 2011 11:17 a.m.

    @ Hawkeye79 and Bluto,
    As a Ute fan, I am not sure how I would feel about Chow coaching at Utah, but you two canceled out each others comments. Chow didn't fare well at UCLA, but he didn't have any talent. As Bluto says, Chow does very well when he has talent.
    Well, guess what, The Utes have Talent!!!
    Having said that, I don't really know how good he is at making adjustments during the game.
    Whatever happens,
    Go Utes!!!

  • williary Kearns, UT
    Jan. 13, 2011 11:10 a.m.

    BYU fans could very well be in a simlar position to Kyle was shortly. Kyle went for the young position coach as his OC, and it just hasn't worked out consistently. Donko is now trying the same approach. Granted, playing an independent schedule that consists of half WAC teams is nowhere near the competition of the Pac-12, so perhaps that will negate Doman looking overwhelmed right away.

    This is a perfect scenario for Utah. A-Rod and BJ can learn from a nationally respected OC for 3-5 years until he's ready to hang it up. Instead of being left to learn on the job from each other, they now have a strong leader to learn from.

    Not to mention how this affects recruiting. Do BYU fans remember all of the top Utah football players who picked USC or UCLA the last decade? Do they remember who the lead recruiter for almost all of them was? Because Utah fans remember very vividly, and that coach is now part of the U.

  • J.Newey Cedar Hills, UT
    Jan. 13, 2011 9:57 a.m.

    Hey Norm,
    I thought the "pay for assistant coaches was comical at the U"?(2003) What's with all these ex-BYU players and coaches coaching up on the hill?

  • R.Burgandy Cedar Hills, UT
    Jan. 13, 2011 9:41 a.m.

    Hey Utah, while your at it, I hear Gary Crowton is available. Little brother always goes to big brother for mentoring, help and advise. Shows how well BYU's influence has been on the U! Oh by the way, Jimmer's still scoring!

  • AggieLuva South Jordan, UT
    Jan. 13, 2011 9:37 a.m.

    This would be a huge get for the U. I really dislike the U, but this guy will be great for them. He will find good QB's and make them great. I bet the first thing he does is bench Wynny and find a QB that will play the QB spot in the right way. Good luck to the U. This would be a huge pick up for them.

  • TheHailstorm South Weber, UT
    Jan. 13, 2011 9:31 a.m.

    Relax boys, it;s only a rumor.

  • BigYak14 Phoenix, AZ
    Jan. 13, 2011 9:20 a.m.

    @ rock of marne

    Have fun being the bottom dweller at the pac 12. Some white boy lit you up for 47 who can't even dunk and your football team was demolished by an non ranked team in their bowl.

  • blauch Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 13, 2011 9:09 a.m.

    A norm chow as Offensive Coordinator PAC10 team came to Provo and lost 55 to 0.

    Just kidding - this is a big pick up for Utah. He is a great Man who get amazing quarterback to play for him and he has won a 3 Heisman Trophies. Winn is not the guy, and Utah will still struggle next year.

    Utah's offensive will struggle because of a weak offensive line and an freshman running back (who will be amazing eventually)

  • Resident1 Spanish Fork, Utah
    Jan. 13, 2011 9:06 a.m.


    I can see where you'd say that, but we've nicely worked past that. When your basketball team can do ANYTHING at all, we'll let the "Jimmer's House" title drop. Until then, the MC North will be a fun venue for BYU.

  • UU32 Bountiful, UT
    Jan. 13, 2011 8:59 a.m.

    Resident1 - The name of the BYU arena has been "Andre Miller's Playground" for years.

  • Resident1 Spanish Fork, Utah
    Jan. 13, 2011 8:43 a.m.

    Good luck, Utes! This will give you the clear advantage over your new conference rivals (Washington St)... Heck of a move.


    P.S. When will they unveil the name of your basketball arena? Can't wait to see the shiny new words "Jimmer's House".

  • Otis Spurlock Ogden, UT
    Jan. 13, 2011 8:41 a.m.

    Another great move by the best coach in college football, Kyle Whittingham.

    Let's face it, Norm Chow loves Utah, but he wasn't treated professionally at BYU. At BYU, Norm was subjected to prejudice and racial slurs. This was even reported by the Deseret News in 2003 in the article "Racial Slur Elicits Apology At Y".

    If any of you are interested in the treatment Norm received at BYU, I would encourage you to read the above article. Norm certainly deserved better treatment from BYU.

    Let's hope that Norm's return to coaching at Utah can erase the bitter taste left in his mouth from his previous experience at BYU.

  • blackpower16 Spanish Fork, ut
    Jan. 13, 2011 8:35 a.m.

    Im a BYU fan and I think the hire of Norm Chow would be great for Utah. His offense is great, his recruiting is great, and he can develop quarterbacks. I appreciated his time at BYU and was sad to see him leave. I wish him and the U luck in the Pac 12 and in all there games except when you play the Cougars.

  • jazzbball Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 13, 2011 8:32 a.m.

    BYU fan here:

    Chow's a great hire for the U, in my opinion. Definitely an upgrade.
    Ol' Rock of the Marne needs to chill out. A little too riled up there man.

    Anyways, last time Chow came to BYU was a few years back with UCLA. BYU won 59-0. So, yep: no problems here!

  • Dave S Holladay, UT
    Jan. 13, 2011 8:32 a.m.

    I'll take Chow any day over an unproven Doman as an offensive coordinator. All these negative posts sound a lot like more jealous little brother syndrome!!

  • CougarBlue Heber City, UT
    Jan. 13, 2011 8:24 a.m.

    Deaar DC. Norm Chow left on his own will to seek what he felt were greener pastures. Get your facts straight.

    Hedgehog, wonderful play on words.

    Utah needs some serious help. They continued their slide downhill the second half of the season. Only because one player did not do their part and allowed someone to block the field goal did Utah beat BYU. Utah will be better with these two coaches.

    Still, BYU will be better. One thing which is great is that we will have our kicker back and he consistently put them in our through the endzone, which eliminates kick returns. Jack will be better and the return to the attitude that we do not drop passes at BYU will mean they move the ball. It just looks great for BYU.

    As for BYU "quitting" that is a typical Utah troll comment.

    I guess Utah will be happy to play each year in the Las Vegas Bowl because that is where they will finish each year in the PAC 12 as a 4th place team. Must gall those who accused BYU of only making it to the Las Vegas Bowl.

  • Veritas Aequitas Fruit Heights, UT
    Jan. 13, 2011 8:22 a.m.

    In addition to Stanford, Chow has officially interviewed for the head coaching jobs of the NFL's Arizona Cardinals; and, the NCAA's North Carolina State University, the University of Kentucky, and the University of Hawaii.

    Chow was a candidate to replace Karl Dorrell at UCLA, but withdrew his candidacy soon after interviewing. Chow was also considered to replace June Jones at the University of Hawaii.

    Has Dr. Chow given up on a Head Coaching position?

  • Wayne Rout El Paso, TX
    Jan. 13, 2011 8:11 a.m.

    Glad to hear Chow is coming to Utah. Great news for both Ute and Cougar fans. It will help Utah sell season tickets as they face a 6 win season. It will help the Cougars every time they play Utah. Mr. Chow seemed to disappear at UCLA. I am hoping he can do the same for Utah. Further, the BYU fans will know what the Utes are going to run on every down. It's a good thing for everyone.

  • SportzFan Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 13, 2011 8:05 a.m.

    Norm has a home in Provo still, I believe.

    Good luck to him, and to the Utes 51 weeks a year.

  • R.Burgundy Cedar Hills, UT
    Jan. 13, 2011 8:03 a.m.

    Norm Chow? Really? there is a reason why this guy bounces around the past few years. I think this would be his 5th stop since he left the Y. RED FLAG!!! As a U fan, why do we have to always hire ex-BYU players and coaches? I hear Roger French and Dick Felt are available. Maybe LaVell could become our D-line coach? Keep A-Rod as OC, not Chow!!

  • nottyou Riverton, UT
    Jan. 13, 2011 7:19 a.m.

    Use it up, wear it out, make it do, or do without! That Whit is sure a frugal guy...

  • Oregonian Sherwood, OR
    Jan. 13, 2011 7:03 a.m.

    I've never been able to figure out Norm Chow. He is the golden boy when he had heisman winning quarterbacks. But he is horrible with average QBs (0 points last time his team came to Provo). So the question I've always had is does Norm make the QB or does the QB make Norm?

    His experience and recruiting will only make them better. I think it is a great move. Besides, I couldn't run away from Neihuisel (sp) fast enough. That guy is a train wreck.

  • billybubba South Jordan, UT
    Jan. 13, 2011 6:50 a.m.

    So bring in Chow and does this not mean that Whit was not satisfied with the OC from last year. So let me get this straight if this happens is it good for the program but bad when Bronco did it 2 weeks ago. I may not be the brightest bulb in the box but is it not the same. I want the Ute fans to explain this I think it will be very interesting to hear the spin on this.

  • CG Orem, UT
    Jan. 13, 2011 6:40 a.m.


    With a questionable QB, even if Wynn returns healthy, new running backs, and many other holes to fill, the Utes will be lucky to win 8 games next year.

  • YOBANFA Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 13, 2011 6:35 a.m.

    The BYU faithful look down on Coach Chow and I cannot understand why. They keep churning through O coordinators and continue to criticize their own. I am not 100% sold on the hire either, however Coach Chow has done his best work after leaving the Y. In my opinion that is why the cougar fans dislike him so much. It is clearly a case of sour grapes. The move could really pay off if Coach A Rod stays and mentors under him along with Coach Johnson. The two young coaches could really benefit from his experience and knowledge. Let's face it the man has a ton of knowledge to impart, and the recruits love him, just ask Langi about his excitement level.

    Go Utes

  • Balan West Jordan, Utah
    Jan. 13, 2011 6:24 a.m.

    Seems to me Chow wins when he has good players, doesn't win when his players aren't as good. Gee, go figure.

    For all Yewts who think he is your salvation, don't forget what your misguided arrogance had you believing 8 games into last football season - Rose Bowl, undefeated season, national champtionship to name a few.

    Chow will do well at Utah if you have good players, not so well if you don't.

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    Jan. 13, 2011 6:15 a.m.

    Norm Chow?


    While you're at it Utah, I hear that Chris Pella, Roger French, Dick Felt, and Ted Tollner are also available.

    Wow, retread hardly applies.

    Chow had lost his mojo all through the 90's at BYU. His play calling became too conservative and stale.

    Just hope he does not zone in on a pet qb ala Kevin Feterik, it will set you back 10 years.

    He fell into NC State with Rivers (not his recruit), he fell into USC with Palmer and Leinert, again (not his recruits)

    And when the cupboard is not full, we saw what he did at UCLA.

    He's all yours Utes. Good Luck.

  • Razzle2 Bluffdale, UT
    Jan. 13, 2011 5:52 a.m.

    Wow! Expect to see the Utes go more into the air from the spread offense.

    Yes, Norm was at BYU. But, he was also part of the team that brought the BCS Championship to USC. As well as winning seasons for the NFL Titans.

    A few things worth mentioning!

  • localblue Sandy, UT
    Jan. 13, 2011 3:45 a.m.

    I'm not sure why there is negativity from the BYU fans on Chow. He hasn't done well at UCLA but if you follow college football you will also know they have not had the players. When he joined they had the youngest offense in the country. He hasn't had a single year with a healthy quarterback to work with. And the Oline has been atrocious due to young players and injuries. It takes both players and coaches to succeed and UCLA has not had the players. I think this is a good hire for Utah and will help them in a number of areas. I'm just surprised to see Chow accepting it as he seems to be about retirement age and there are better things to do than move back to SL and coach the Utes.

  • LOTR Baltimore, MD
    Jan. 13, 2011 12:26 a.m.

    Rock Of The Marne

    What makes you think BYU fans will even care if Norm Chow returns to Utah after more than half a century?

    Talk about insecurity!

  • santiago Magna, UT
    Jan. 13, 2011 12:18 a.m.

    Hmm. As a BYU fan who had no opinion about The University of Utah before moving to Utah and meeting the people who pretend to be Ute "fans," I would be pleased to see this happen. I really don't think Norm Chow is what he still convinces some hapless employers that he is.

    I was mixed on whether or not The Utes could do okay in the PAC-12. This move seems looks like a mistake I can get behind.

  • Bugoff Houston, TX
    Jan. 13, 2011 12:17 a.m.

    Utah has had great recruiting classes. They have had more talent than BYU, based on the number of players drafted.

    However, they have also underperformed with that NFL talent. The recruiting season is not over but I see no compelling reason why Utah will be much better next year than this year.

    Experienced coaches can help if it is a matter of changing Xs and Os and game adjustments.

    Younger coaches like Doman can help because of personality, attitude and relationships with younger players in spite of lacking experience.

    I suspect Utah will be decent as they have a lot of talent. Since the South PAC is weak Utah may do reasonably well next year. They are going to need all of the depth they can recruit.

    Chow and Davis may help in recruiting CA? That alone is a big positive.

    Utah should start picking up a few recruits who would normally go to USC (due to NCAA sanctions).

  • MAFU Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 12, 2011 11:42 p.m.

    First class comments from some of our bYu brethren about a coach that was a huge part of their program for over twenty years.

  • CWEB Orem, UT
    Jan. 12, 2011 11:37 p.m.



    Isn't he ready to retire?

    Well, it really doesn't matter who coaches--

    the problem the U has in the PAC what-ever-it-is--

    NO depth. Two or three injuries and they are done.

    That isn't going to change for about 10 years...if ever...

    ask Arizona and Arizona State...

  • Duckhunter American Fork, UT
    Jan. 12, 2011 10:56 p.m.

    Yep he's another BYU retread. You guys are welcome to him.

  • The Disillusionist Alexandria, VA
    Jan. 12, 2011 10:44 p.m.

    Hawkeye79 is right. The shine is off of Chow and has been for some time. U are welcome to him.

    U are getting pretty desperate aren't U?

  • bookonwomen Beverly Hills, CA
    Jan. 12, 2011 10:39 p.m.

    This is a great move. Experience, recruiting, Pac 10 knowledge, Etc.

  • Hawkeye79 Iowa City, IA
    Jan. 12, 2011 10:19 p.m.

    Addendum: Overall records of 4-8, 7-6, and 4-8 at UCLA don't inspire much confidence in Coach Chow as of late either. I suppose there is always a possibility that he will suddenly perform better against the same opponents.

  • fresnogirl Fresno, CA
    Jan. 12, 2011 9:54 p.m.

    Welcome back to the Beehive State, Norm. It'll be fun watching your Offense again.

  • UteMan South Jordan, UT
    Jan. 12, 2011 9:53 p.m.

    I think I am good with Chow and Davis.

    They are just coming home since they both played at graduated at the U. Great hires from Coach Whit and the perfect move going into the PAC-12.

    Doman could be a decent hire, but I will go ahead and say that a recent track record of QB's such as Phillip Rivers, Carson Palmer, and Matt Leinart is pretty solid. Davis worked for Barry Alvarez, Pete Carroll and Nick Saban over the years.

    I would say Utah's offense just got a major upgrade with experienced Coaches and back to back great recruiting classes.

  • Hawkeye79 Iowa City, IA
    Jan. 12, 2011 9:52 p.m.

    Chow is a decent guy, but he hasn't fared well as a coordinator at UCLA. Conference records of 3-6, 3-6, and 2-7 don't inspire much confidence.

  • RBN Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 12, 2011 9:49 p.m.

    I think this story is interesting in that it may spell Whittingham's desire to move away from the spread offense, and towards more of a West Coast offense. The next few days should be fascinating.

  • Dutchman Murray, UT
    Jan. 12, 2011 9:18 p.m.

    Many elite basketball programs are looking to rebound right now North Carolina, UCLA and Arizona among them. Utah will get back on track as it has in the past. Utah has been through this before. Don't be too hard on Chris Hill for past hires. He was turned away by many big name coaches when Majerus left simply because they didn't want to follow the big guy.

  • DC Alexandria, VA
    Jan. 12, 2011 9:12 p.m.

    Isn't he the guy that BYU fired?

  • 1984 for life Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 12, 2011 8:58 p.m.


  • Rock Of The Marne Phoenix, AZ
    Jan. 12, 2011 8:56 p.m.

    Veritas Aequitas Utah was pretty successful overall in B-ball before Majerus (NIT and NCAA Championships). Majerus maybe took them the furthest in recent history but overall the record is pretty solid. But I agree with you that Dr. Hill has made two very poor B-Ball coach hires.

  • Jimmy James Salt Lake City, Ut
    Jan. 12, 2011 8:54 p.m.

    Wow. If Norm Chow comes to Utah I would be ecstatic! I really hope this happens!

  • pocyUte Pocatello, ID
    Jan. 12, 2011 8:54 p.m.

    This is the way to make a splash going to the Pac12. Both these guys have Utah ties, and experience at pro and elite college levels. I love it. Can't wait for the announcement.


    I think Hill will do everything possible to make as big a splash for bball as well.

  • Veritas Aequitas Fruit Heights, UT
    Jan. 12, 2011 8:35 p.m.

    ...And the Utes can't afford to buy out Boylen's contract.

    It seems that the Utes are spending all of their money on football. Now if they can pull Lavell out of retirement, they will have gotten the band back together.

    Let's just remember Dr. Hill as the man that put Utah basketball on the map with Majerus, and put them back in the closet.

  • Rock Of The Marne Phoenix, AZ
    Jan. 12, 2011 8:33 p.m.

    Sweet. Another thing for Y fans to whine and moan about in their jealous insecurity. It's another story about Utah; get ready BYU moths the flame of success is burning on the hill in SLC so you better come with your dribble oozing with jealousy. Welcome back to the U Coach Chow. PAC 12 is so much better than quitting I mean independence.

  • Jonathan Eddy Payson, UT
    Jan. 12, 2011 8:18 p.m.

    Say it ain't so Joe!