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  • Alfred SLC, Utah
    Jan. 13, 2011 11:25 a.m.


    "So, while it's not okay to break one law, it's okay to break the other?"

    I know what you mean. I like to rob banks but the sheriff seems to have a different viewpoint. If he were truly fair he would look the other way whilst I come out of the bank with alotta someone else's money. Even though I promise to spend it which would have the desireable benefit of stimulating our economy.

  • Neanderthal SLC, Utah
    Jan. 13, 2011 11:09 a.m.

    "Immigration reform is a complex problem in need of innovative solutions."

    Would reform include deportation?

    If you are not interested in illegal immigrant deportation then there is no need for reform. Just let the immigrants mill around with no jobs or nothing to occupy their time.

    Any reform without deportation is amnesty so why bother.

    And controlling the borders won't do it. Fully 40 percent of illegals come here on visas but overstay. They forget to go home.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Jan. 10, 2011 4:36 p.m.

    Immigration reform is not a complex problem in need of innovative solutions. Mexico gives a shining example of immigration.

  • madison Magna, UT
    Jan. 10, 2011 4:29 p.m.


    "tribes" should read "bribes".

    Ripping up downtown to accommodate an old-fashioned tram system making travel more troublesome, transferring from buses onto trams and disrupting downtown traffic, increasing the cost of public transport greatly.

  • madison Magna, UT
    Jan. 10, 2011 4:26 p.m.

    Assessing the State Government's accomplishments over the last three decades:

    1. Big expensive pumps in the desert in case it rains too much.

    2. Steady increase in sales tax percentage charged(except for food; kudos for that).

    3. Steady increase in illegal immigrant population; nothing done about it.

    4. Refusal of State government to outlaw gifts / tribes to its legislators.

  • RichardB Murray, UT
    Jan. 10, 2011 2:09 p.m.

    It seems I have read editorials for the past two years telling us that immigration is a Federal responsibility.

    That puts you on both sides of the fence, and straddling the middle on this one.

  • RichardB Murray, UT
    Jan. 10, 2011 1:49 p.m.

    The Utah compact is a public relations smokescreen to confuse people into thinking illegal immigration is acceptable like legal immigration.

    Do you really want a major change in this country based on a falsehood?

  • wjalden Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 10, 2011 12:58 p.m.

    I think it's awesome to have a guestworker program when our federal government has paid out over $330 billion in unemployment benefits in the last 3 years. That number, by the way, does not include costs for other welfare programs the unemployed rotuinely qualify for, like school lunches, Medicaid, food stamps, etc.

  • wjalden Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 10, 2011 12:33 p.m.

    Herbert is exactly the type of "strong leadership" that has gotten this country a $1.3 trillion budget deficit, a $900 billion trade deficit, a 10% unemployment rate, stagnant wages for the middle class (even during the last boom), and 11 million illegal aliens living here.

    Insanity, it's said, is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. Herbert's "solution" - basically to kowtow to big business interests - is the same thing we've been doing for decades. This country already has about 40 different classes of guestworker visas. Adding one more in Utah won't solve the problem. Enforcement will.

  • JBrady Murray, Ut
    Jan. 10, 2011 12:30 p.m.

    A guest worker program after being told that's it's a Federal responsibility would inflame the situation.

    It's a slap in the face to Utah's 100,000 that are out of work. Where is your compassion DN?

  • BillyMays Wellsville, Utah
    Jan. 10, 2011 11:52 a.m.

    Mr. Governor, if you would like to be a one termer, then go ahead with granting amnesty to the illegals in the form of this "comprehensive reform". Go ahead and cave in to the LA RAZA open borders lobbyists (including the Sutherland Institute and the Chamber of Commerce) who want to import more cheap labor.

    The voters are watching all of you, and we will send you (and Orrin Hatch) packing, as we did to Chris Cannon and Bob Bennett.

    We are sick of the crimes and the degradation of our home values that these illegal mexican gangs bring us. And wWe can no longer afford the financial drain on our children's education, health care and welfare systems that these leechers bring us.

  • Janell Ventura, Ca
    Jan. 10, 2011 10:48 a.m.

    One more DN propaganda piece proclaiming that our immigration system is broken. This one however, is clearly aimed at convincing the Governor to ignore the will of the constituents and sign legislation aimed at changing policies for illegal immigrants.
    You can always tell a liberal piece by the politically correct phrases they use;
    people of goodwill (illegal aliens),
    abusive and shadowy activity (arrests and deportation, low wages),
    reasonable policy addressing immigrants in Utah (amnesty),
    meaningful innovation (waivers that allow illegals to continue to come to Utah and take jobs legally), etc...
    We don't need immigration reform, we need immigration enforcement.
    Governor, where is the compassion for American Citizens? Who is listening to them? Will it be you?

  • sally Kearns, UT
    Jan. 10, 2011 9:46 a.m.

    Until life becomes uncomfortable for the illegals, they are not going away. Our legislature and governor have already proven they will not be tough on illegals. I will be surprised if effective legislation is accomplished in regards to illegals this year. Many of our legislators do not live in neighborhoods with illegals, so they are clueless as to the day to day effects it has on many citizens. Our generosity in Utah through charities and lax enforcement of laws will just encourage more illegals to come to Utah.

  • JKR Holladay, UT
    Jan. 10, 2011 5:29 a.m.

    The Des News certainly has thrown down the gauntlet for this governor. Herbert is encouraged to lead in a reform effort surrounding illegal immigration, similar to what Tommy Thompson did for welfare reform in the 90s? Good luck. Gary Herbert is no Thompson. He doesn't even wear red.

  • Candidate Jackson Sandy, UT
    Jan. 10, 2011 4:36 a.m.

    Governor Herbert's summit on the topic was a good sign of his leadership.

  • JBrady Murray, Ut
    Jan. 10, 2011 2:46 a.m.

    A very strange analogy. Illegal immigration and welfare reform have nothing in common, except we stopped the abuse of welfare in the 90's. Is that your message? That the Utah compact will stop the abuse of our immigration system?

    That doesn't make sense.

    Jan. 10, 2011 1:56 a.m.

    Those who composed the Utah compact, needed to say the problem, before they solicited signers. It does not deal with illegal immigration or offer a solution, instead it tries to confuse the situation further by refusing to acknowledge the criminal acts that the public is talking about.

    We have legal immigration that the people endorse, we have illegal immigration that the people object to. Go back and address the subject please. Let's hear what you think about illegal immigration.

  • MapleDon Springville, UT
    Jan. 9, 2011 7:28 p.m.

    And where's the "Compassion" towards the millions of unemployed in this country--who would be employed if it weren't for the illegals working for substantially less?

  • CJ Murray, UT
    Jan. 9, 2011 6:05 p.m.

    Leadership? How about some leadership in enforcing the LAW? How about leadership in defending our borders? How about stopping illegal immigrants from looting the state treasury? How about standing up to open borders hacks like Robles and Yapias? How about rejecting the Utah CON PACT that is nothing but a sell out to special interest groups that want to exploit illegals and have the rest of us subsidize it for them?

  • Watch Dog Provo, UT
    Jan. 9, 2011 5:44 p.m.

    Why we need to even discuss guest worker programs, or import more labor is mind boggling to me!

    We currently have over 22 million unemployed right now in this country. What about them?

    Retraining them would not only fill jobs with people looking for those jobs, it would get some family off food stamps and our welfare dole.

    Seems like a brainless win-win for us.

  • MapleDon Springville, UT
    Jan. 9, 2011 2:20 p.m.

    To put it more simply, the Deseret News' editors are telling the governor to accept the Utah Compact. To add fuel to the debate, the editors note that the Compact was derived by "some of the best thinking."

    Why does my heart tell me differently?

    Why do I feel inside that there's more to this propoganda than "compassion," and the desire to "keep families together"?

    I read what is going on in Mexico where horrible crimes are committed because of the out of control drug cartels (over 30,000 killed since 2006). I don't want that here. And I believe some of these local "leaders" have other personal short-term interests that they, sadly, allow to supercede any concern regarding the long-term safety of our communities.

    My biggest dissappointment is with those "leaders" who have preached the importance of our obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law. One of their big gripes with the polygamists is that they aren't obeying the law.

    The polygamists aren't our target market. But, Latin Americans are. So, while it's not okay to break one law, it's okay to break the other?

  • Ajax Mapleton, UT
    Jan. 9, 2011 12:19 p.m.

    Consider the empty rhetoric that could be avoided in recognizing what we all should know by now, namely that 1) being in our country without documentation is not necessarily a felony, 2) undocumented Hispanic immigrants are not the cause of the downturn in our economy nor of high unemployment 3) undocumented Hispanic immigrants pay taxes, and 4) undocumented Hispanic immigrants receive decidedly less rather than more of the benefits and advantages available to the rest of us.

    Less well defined is the degree to which the undeniably substantial contribution of undocumented Hispanic labor to our economy balances the significant additional expense of health care and welfare services. Who knows for sure? But regardless, I as a Mormon highly recommend the Catholic heritage of natural law in meeting what I understand to be our obligation to the less fortunate.

    Education for the undocumented is a notable exception in the equation of costs and benefits. Rather than another expense to bemoan, education is probably the only real solution to the Hispanic immigrant dilemma of slummers and gangbangers.

    Certainly the call for a forceful, unconditional expulsion of all undocumented Hispanic immigrants is a recipe for disaster and is itself an uneducated response.

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    Jan. 9, 2011 12:07 p.m.

    Herbert and leadership are about as opposite as one could imagine.

    Of course, if you're a contractor in the state, you're probably really excited over Herbert. You have 13 million reasons to be excited in fact!

  • my slc Newport Beach, CA
    Jan. 9, 2011 11:59 a.m.

    Fortunately, the 2010 Utah gubernatorial election was just a "special election" to fill the governor seat until the 2012 elections. (The legislature provided for this situation after Gov. Mike Leavitt resigned and Gov Walker replaced him.)

    The State of Utah has a opportunity in 2012 to place a more qualified governor in at that time.

  • Ralph West Jordan Taylorsville, UT
    Jan. 9, 2011 10:41 a.m.

    This will be the Guv's first full term! While he showed very little in the leadership column last term, we can all hope that he will step up to the plate now that he doesn't have to woo the big contributors for another three years. Come on Guv. show us the walk, we have heard the talk!

  • Emophiliac Vernal, UT
    Jan. 9, 2011 8:47 a.m.

    About the only thing I saw Herbert do last year was backtrack on trying to make it easier to hire illegals (SR71 special session), due to the election year, and then bring all of the pro-illegal people (plus Sandstrom) to a room for a chat. If this is the kind of leadership we can expect for the next 4 years, the average Utah resident needs to get ready to be trampled on with regularity.