House GOP to vote on repealing 'Obamacare' on Jan. 12

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  • ouisc Farmington, UT
    Jan. 6, 2011 8:13 p.m.

    Now if we could just get the UK to pay us for the ingenuity they've gathered and implemented as a result of U.S. medical research, maybe we could start to compare the U.S. unspecialized care with the U.K. unspecialized care. If you need highly specialized care, be glad you're in the U.S.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Jan. 5, 2011 8:02 a.m.

    UK Brit... thanks for pipping in because my dad is an American living in the UK, is a died in the wool Republican, watches Fox News all the time, and yet would support your statements completely. While UK taxes frustrate him terribly, he also appreciates the fact that his health care is not an issue for him, and that it has always been of top quality.

  • Larry Willard, UT
    Jan. 5, 2011 3:44 a.m.

    If you voted Republican, You deserve what you are getting, The Party that does not care about the people. The Party of No when we know YES WE CAN.

  • UT Brit London, England
    Jan. 5, 2011 1:53 a.m.

    As someone who has experience of healthcare in the States and in the UK I will take the NHS any day of the week. I had no end of problems dealing with insurance companies when in Utah.
    All those people bashing the healthcare in the UK have probably never been there and used it. Again I have used both and had a faultless experience when I have used the NHS. My son was diagnosed with a liver condition when he was 6 weeks old which will mean he will probably need a transplant when he is an adult, can someone tell me what insurance company in the states would be willing to cover him knowing this?

  • Did I Say That? Rawlins, WY
    Jan. 4, 2011 10:22 p.m.

    Repeal! Repeal now!

    We simply can't afford this monstrosity.

  • radically_independent Orem, Utah
    Jan. 4, 2011 8:59 p.m.

    Liberal Ted, I think that is an awesome idea.... being able to opt in or out of taxes! Lets see, I don't have kids in any state public universities....opting out on that one. Not old enough for Medicare.....opting out. I am employed and have been for some time... lets opt out of supporting unemployment. I don't use BLM land, so I will opt out on that one too. Coast Guard - it is a desert for crying out loud, don't need them - consider it opted out. Border patrols... oh common', that is a California, New Mexico, Arizona, and California problem.... let them pay for it... opted out. There has to be a ton of programs I don't plan on using I should opt out on..... Brilliant!

    Oh, and you remember just how well those private security firms did at our airports on 9/11. Absolutely we should shut the TSA down and go back to those yokels again, because Government can't do anything right.

  • A Guy With A Brain Enid, OK
    Jan. 4, 2011 8:43 p.m.

    @ Bubble -

    Thanks! Didn't know that.

  • Liberal Ted Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 4, 2011 3:59 p.m.

    I deserve the right to opt out of socialized health care and not be forced to pay taxes into it. Let the citizens choose. Not activists politicians or judges, but, the people themselves.

    If the government really can run a better system then people will flock to it. I doubt they can, even when they control the laws and rules of the game. Government just doesn't work as efficiently in that way.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Jan. 4, 2011 3:36 p.m.

    "Just fix it!"... to quite SNL.

    BTW... did I mention I hate automatic spell checkers! I need no help looking like an idiot. That I can handle myself.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Jan. 4, 2011 2:13 p.m.

    @The Judge... the problem with what you posted is like articles can be found about the US system too. Deflecting by pointing out that other systems have their challenges solves no problems. Lets focus working on our system and quit worrying about others.

    But just to provide equal air time... from a recent ABC News Poll we have

    "Support for change is based largely on unease with the current system's costs. Seventy-eight percent are dissatisfied with the cost of the nation's health care system, including 54 percent "very" dissatisfied.

    Indeed, most Americans, or 54 percent, are now dissatisfied with the overall quality of health care in the United States the first majority in three polls since 1993, and up 10 points since 2000."

    So lets stop worrying about what the UK is doing, and start focusing on our own house. Every possible solution should be on the table, from either side. Those parts of ObamaCare should be kept, those that don't, REPLACED.

    The void of rolling back the clock would have such a huge cost it would be like a bomb set off inside the system.

    "Just fix it!"... to quite SNL.

  • utecougar Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 4, 2011 1:58 p.m.

    The health care system is no good because the Republicans screwed it up so badly before it could even pass. Now they want to repeal it--not because it's no good, but because they hate having a black Democrat for president. Obama isn't the one destroying this country; it's the super-rich Republicans who refuse to let anyone touch their big bank accounts.

  • Hellooo Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 4, 2011 12:25 p.m.

    Enough of show, now get serious.

  • Jash Clearfield, UT
    Jan. 4, 2011 11:38 a.m.

    RE: byronbca

    "What's the difference between getting bad treatment because of not having the right equipment or getting bad treatment because you have the wrong health care plan?"

    Innovation and risk distribution.

    The system leading to the former ensures the entire population has equal risk of bad treatment and discourages innovation.

    The system leading to the latter encourages innovation and distrubutes the risk of bad treatment among the population based on how much they are willing to pay for their care.

  • facts_r_stubborn Kaysville, UT
    Jan. 4, 2011 11:25 a.m.

    Here is what real reform looks like. It needs to be a bi-partisan, federal and state partnership with the states doing most of the heavy lifting, Congress providing the benchmarks for progress in cutting costs. Top ten ideas for reducing costs:

    1) Stop dispensing valueless healthcare.
    2) Reduce administrative overhead.
    3) Law of large numbers, find a constitutional way to insure everyone.
    4) Fully implement electronic medical records.
    5) Tort reform. Reduce costs of defensive medicine.
    6) Wholesale drug purchasing model.
    7) Redesign hospitals to contain capital costs.
    8) Wellness initiatives, education and incentives.
    9) Expand the number of and training infrastructure for medical professionals.
    10)Medically appropriate and timely care. Pariculary elder care where so much of the cost of healthcare exists.

    Beyond the clamor of partisan rhetoric there are real solutions to real problems. It's sad on so many issues that the real solutions get lost in the din of bad politics. Politics should be the most noble profession.

  • facts_r_stubborn Kaysville, UT
    Jan. 4, 2011 11:07 a.m.

    While I agree that the evils of Obamacare are being overstated, it is benefit side only. Easy to be popular when you are offering benefits. Also, states can do a better job with cutting costs.

    In a pre-Obamacare article published February 27, 2008 in the Journal of the American Medical Association JAMA, Dr. Ezekiel J. Emanuel, of the National Institutes of Health argued that Its Health Care Costs, Stupid.

    According to recent polls, many Americans consider health care reform the No. 1 domestic issue. Presidential candidates, other politicians, health policy experts, labor leaders, business groups, and others have responded with numerous reform proposals. And somehow, in the clamoring, health care reform has become equated exclusively with expanding coverage to the 47 million uninsured Americans.

    This is a mistake. As serious as it is, the problems of the uninsured and lack of coverage are symptoms, not the underlying problem. Focusing on them is like treating a fever without addressing the causal infection. Instead, the diagnosis and treatment need to focus on health care costsWithout controlling health care costs, any attempt at universal coverage will be transient.

  • ValiantDefender Herriman, UT
    Jan. 4, 2011 10:39 a.m.

    To those who wonder what will be in place if Obamacare is repealed.

    It would immediately be replaced by what was in place before.

    While I agree that the health-care system we had isn't perfect, it worked pretty well...better than what we see in most other countries.

    The root of the issue I have with Obamacare is Federal vs States rights. Obama administration has really stepped out of bounds on this one.

    All you who claim the Republican party is just the 'party of no', I'd like to ask you this. When something is wrong - clearly wrong - when is it appropriate to say yes?

  • Pagan Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 4, 2011 10:11 a.m.

    'Yes, Medicare supposedly covers 45 million and it is, according to your own pathetic democratic liberal party, "on the road to bankruptcy.' - The Final Word | 5:03 p.m. Jan. 3, 2011

    Yes, an I'm sure our previous president adding $4 Trillion dollars (almost double) to our national debt isn't going to head us to bankrupcy.

    *'Bush Administration Adds $4 Trillion To National Debt' - Posted by Mark Knoller - CBSNews - 03/04/10

    'With no fanfare and little notice, the national debt has grown by more than $4 trillion during George W. Bush's presidency.'

    So, medicare is not the only reason America has debt.

    Now, once 'Obamacare' is repealed, what does the GOP have as a SOLUTION?

    And I mean a bill, date, name, etc. Not more abstract claims.

    Until this happens, I see no reason why anyone would support the GOP to make things WORSE...

    until it MIGHT get better.

    Those who do not have a plan, criticize.

    There. I didn't even have to call your party 'pathetic.'

  • kitchy Bountiful, UT
    Jan. 4, 2011 7:55 a.m.

    Good for them! I am a baby boomer and I don't like what I see happening to my insurance. Since Jan 2010 my health insurance has doubled due to Obamacare. I have gone to over $500 a month for healthcare when it was in the low $200.00 in Jan 2010. I thought he said costs would not increase. NOT!

  • pragmatistferlife salt lake city, utah
    Jan. 4, 2011 7:48 a.m.

    Republicans solution to a social and moral problem, make the rich richer. Their one solution to competition. Sell insurance across state lines. If this happens the too big to fail bank fiasco will be swamped by the tradgedy ensued by the too big to fail insurance companies. It will be less than a decade before there are three to four insurance companies for everyone. Insurance pools will be subsidies of these big corps. When allowed to, capital ALWAYS centralizes. If the last thirty years has taught us anything it has taught us this.

    An unregulated market will not solve this moral problem it will excaerbate it. Markets may originally be part of the solution but they will never be the end solution. They aren't designed or intended to be. It's simply unatural.

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    Jan. 4, 2011 6:32 a.m.

    The only fair thing is for Congress to cut their own taxpayer supported program. But they won't. The Republicans care only for themselves. This is shameful. Rather than repeal, make it better. Health insurance is slowing killing middle America and the business community. Any honest person will recognize that.

  • My2Cents Kearns, UT
    Jan. 4, 2011 4:01 a.m.

    The Obamacare must be repealed in it entirety and a mandated veto override if Obama's acts stupid.

    If there are popular elements of the law they can be rewritten in to a new law representing those desired traits. We cannot leave one shred of the Obama's plan in tact, it is written and designed with plots and schemes that are financially impossible to sustain.

    Just because there is one good thing in a law does not mean we should leave it intact, that's how bad laws are created. Repeal one law and write a new law with the desired elements, that is the only way it will work. Using fear to keep a bad law is criminal. It's not against the law to rewrite a new law as some would imply.

  • MormonDem Provo, UT
    Jan. 4, 2011 12:15 a.m.

    I'm anxious to see which parts of Obamacare they want to rescind first:

    -The prohibition against denying coverage for children with preexisting conditions?
    -The process, begun just days ago on Jan. 1, to close the prescription drug loophole?
    -The individual mandate, which was a Republican idea in the first place?
    -the creation of the high-risk pool for people with chronic conditions?

    The fact is, the GOP has bet all its chips on public hatred for Obamacare. But this is a house built on sand, because surveys show that opposition to Obamacare is directly proportional to ignorance about what it actually entails. When people are asked whether they like Obamacare, a small majority says they don't. But when they are asked about the various components of Obamacare, people are largely in favor of them. Also, 25% of that slim majority of people who oppose Obamacare oppose it not because it is too liberal, but because it is too conservative (i.e., because it doesn't have a single payer or a public option).

    In other words the GOP strategy is: try to kill Obamacare before people realize that they like most of the stuff in it!

  • Devin American Fork, UT
    Jan. 3, 2011 11:43 p.m.

    I would just like to say that this is a very well written article! Props to the writer, it was very easy to read and understand. no hooplah at all.

  • Winglish Lehi, UT
    Jan. 3, 2011 10:36 p.m.

    And now we wait for a real Republican idea to drive down the cost of health care to come forth...and we wait...and we wait...crickets chirping...and we wait...and we wait...elevator music...and we wait...and we wait...

    Anybody else tired of waiting? Really, the cost of health insurance is only a reflection of the cost of health care.
    It's time to put a cap on medical liability lawsuits. Cap salaries on positions in all corporations that file as non-profits and pay no taxes (IHC, anyone?). Get rid of red tape. Institute price controls on medical equipment!

    The costs of health services and products can be tamed. When those costs come down, so will the cost of insurance.

  • ouisc Farmington, UT
    Jan. 3, 2011 9:12 p.m.

    I am looking forward to a Republican solution. I'm looking forward to trimming the fat within by addressing the massive medical waste. There are so many millions and millions of dollars that are wasted by poor management and poor medical quality. As we continue to tie physician and hospital reimbursement to proven efficiencies and waste, we open the door for funding healthcare for everybody.

    I am also looking to the Republicans to figure out how to get the world to pay the U.S. fairly for their successful implementation of the results from U.S. medical and pharmaceutical research. Other industrialized countries are essentially "riding for free."

    Obama's plan to jack up taxes and expand Medicare to facilitate coverage for all is a first-grader solution written in a 1000 page document. Attacking the weaknesses of our insurance industry only addresses a very small proportion of the problem. It's time to get real, and the Republicans better not disappoint.

  • CHS 85 Sandy, UT
    Jan. 3, 2011 8:56 p.m.

    You all have heard the Repub idea for controlling costs, right? Making health care portable across state lines. That'll fix everything! I can't wait until my brother in California who has had cancer and is lost his job when his department was sent to India can buy healthcare simply by buying a plan in Utah. That way the insurance companies will overlook his pre-existing condition and make health care affordable for him and his family. Oh, wait.....

    I guess he can just go bankrupt or die. That sounds more like the "compasionate" Repub plan.

  • owlmaster2 Kaysville, UT
    Jan. 3, 2011 8:44 p.m.

    If the Repubs kill "Obamacare" I believe they need to repeal their own health care until they can come up with an option that will allow affordable health insurance for everyone.
    When every person can see a dentist and have a healthy smile, can go see a doctor for preventative examinations, then Senators and Congressmen could reinstate their own health insurance--- Lol, I kill myself!!! That will never happen. What a joke.
    The "DEATH PANEL" is the Insurance Companies backed in full by the Republican Party.

  • Bubble SLC, UT
    Jan. 3, 2011 8:33 p.m.

    @ A Guy: They changed the standard a week or so ago - now you get 4 comments per story....

  • JoeBlow Miami Area, Fl
    Jan. 3, 2011 8:29 p.m.

    "We need TRUE health care reform and not this disaster known as Obamacare. "

    I am OK with that statement. And I will add the we have needed TRUE health care reform for quite a while.

    The dems tried it under Clinton. Couldn't get it pass.

    Someone please remind me.

    What reform did the Republicans pass or even attempt to pass under Bush with control of both houses for 6 years?


    I assure you that it is far easier to shoot down someone else's idea than to propose your own.

    It would appear to me based on recent history that the Republicans are content to leave health care as is with its sky rocketing costs.

    Probably good for campaign contributions.

  • Bubble SLC, UT
    Jan. 3, 2011 8:17 p.m.

    Whoa, whoa, whoa! Back up a step.....

    What do you mean they are going to vote on repealing it? I thought things like that didn't work and we needed to amend the Constitution in order for The People to be able to address laws they don't like?

    Surely the system can't be working as intended or we wouldn't need an amendment.....

  • John C. C. Payson, UT
    Jan. 3, 2011 7:50 p.m.

    These anxious new Republicans are more interested in shouting "No" than in offering any alternative. Be courageous and stake out your position. You know that any change is going to have its winners and losers, just as no change is already making winners and losers.

  • byronbca Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 3, 2011 7:37 p.m.

    Re The Judge:

    I would agree that Canada and England's socialized health care is awful and it's not what we want here, but France and Holland's socialized health care are some of the best in the world for both the rich and the poor.

    We have the best doctors and hospitals in the world in America but the way in which we have to pay for health care is one of the worst and most exclusive.

    What's the difference between getting bad treatment because of not having the right equipment or getting bad treatment because you have the wrong health care plan?

    Personally, I don't like the idea of hospitals and insurance companies having more legal obligations to their stock holders than their patients.

    Something has to change.

  • A Guy With A Brain Enid, OK
    Jan. 3, 2011 6:48 p.m.

    Hey, DesNews Posting Police?

    Isn't the DesNews posting policy that each poster is limited to only 2 (two) posts MAXIMUM per story?

    (I've had pop-messages tell me I've submitted more than the maximum of two posts per story before).

    So, why does the liberally-biasd poster named 'Pagan' have 3 comments on this story? (1 -Pagan | 11:30 a.m. Jan. 3, 2011,2 - Pagan | 1:16 p.m. Jan. 3, 2011, 3 - Pagan | 2:29 p.m. Jan. 3, 2011)

    Either I'm wrong and the DesNews allows more than 2 posts per story (nothing wrong with that if that's the case) or I smell favoritism....

  • A Guy With A Brain Enid, OK
    Jan. 3, 2011 6:38 p.m.

    Republicans: Hack away! Hack away! Cut! Cut! Cut! Defund! Defund! Defund!

    ANYTHING is better than this current form of government-mandated health care. Anything.

  • Blue Bolshevik Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 3, 2011 6:32 p.m.

    And the Republican destruction of the middle class in favor of the bourgeoisie resumes.

  • mfgarcia Richfield, UT
    Jan. 3, 2011 6:19 p.m.

    Complainers are welcome, but where's the alternative health-care plan from Republicans?

    "Where's the beef?" to replace Obamacare?

  • The Judge Kaysville, UT
    Jan. 3, 2011 5:48 p.m.

    Dear Pagan: Read the London and Toronto papers. To whit:

    "A cash crisis in the NHS"--that's Britain's National Health Service--"has left patients lying on the operating table before doctors realized vital equipment had not been ordered, according to a leaked report," London's Sunday Telegraph reports:
    "Women in labour have been forced to wait while epidural equipment was borrowed from other hospitals, while other patients have been denied chest drains and radiology supplies, according to doctors at South London Healthcare Trust.


    "Damning reports on the state of the National Health Service, suppressed by the government, reveal how patients' needs have been neglected," reports London's Sunday Times:
    "They diagnose a blind pursuit of political and managerial targets as the root cause of a string of hospital scandals that have cost thousands of lives."

    I'll take our health care, thanks.

  • christoph Brigham City, UT
    Jan. 3, 2011 5:36 p.m.

    Jobs, jobs, jobs----that is the message of 2011; not repealing the last two years----we are moving forward into the future. Obama ran on health care reform in 2008 and was elected for what he ran on.

  • byronbca Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 3, 2011 5:34 p.m.

    So the democrat's biggest accomplishment last year was an attempt to improve health care for the non wealthy, while the republican's biggest victory was the extension of Bush's tax breaks to the those making over $200,000 per year.

    As a middle class independent I'm having a hard time believing that Republicans have the best interests of the middle class in mind.

    I skeptical about Obamacare but at least it is an attempt to help out the middle class. Can a republican please explain to me how giving the rich massive tax breaks helps the middle class?

    Last elections I voted about 60% to 40% in favor of democrats, but if republicans don't start putting the best interests of the middle class ahead of the rich's I'm might just become a democrat.

  • williary Kearns, UT
    Jan. 3, 2011 5:21 p.m.

    "The strategy is not risk-free for the Republicans, who won't have a replacement plan of their own ready by the time of the repeal vote."

    Ya think? That's what the Republican party does best. They had how many opportunities to try and address Health Care under Republican control and did nothing. They want nothing done, period. Did they really want the issue addressed, they would have done so at the numerous opportunities they had. They blocked Clinton's attempts, did everything they could to block Obama's attempts, will (unsuccessfully) try to repeal Obama's attempts, and still have no answer themselves.

    The party of NO in action!

  • Hemlock Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 3, 2011 5:19 p.m.

    Mr. Obama's agenda is the magnet for unintended consequences. His isolation from reality, now and in his previous experiences, makes him vulnerable. The blinders that his rigid progressive views impose removes him from the real world. Pagan's cut-and-paste examples in the insurance industry are a telling.

  • The Final Word Alpine, UT
    Jan. 3, 2011 5:03 p.m.

    re: pagan

    Yes, Medicare supposedly covers 45 million and it is, according to your own pathetic democratic liberal party, "on the road to bankruptcy.

    So lets expand it for everyone!!!

    That seems realistic to me. I mean we obviously can't fund what we are trying to provide now and obama openly admits there are billions in fraud in abuse while covering the measly 45 million. They can't control or monitor or stop it.

    Democrats solution? Coverage for everyone!!!

    I'm sure that would be real efficient and affordable. Not.

    The whole concept is a failure based on the first premise. Yes, lets provide healthcare to over 300 000 000 people since we can't afford to provide it to the 45 million currently involved.

    This is how democrats think and that is why the last 110th democratic congress in on record for amassing more debt than the first 100 congresses COMBINED!

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Jan. 3, 2011 4:44 p.m.

    I'm all for full repeal of Obamacare however there needs to be some common sense reforms proposed for health care because it is horribly expensive and there are too many who need coverage that have a hard time getting it such as married college students and those who are out of work.

  • facts_r_stubborn Kaysville, UT
    Jan. 3, 2011 2:54 p.m.


    I'm glad we agree on that point. Something for you to consider, though:

    Unfunded mandates are not particularly effective historically. This is not a partisan issue. Utah has been heavily Republican, as we all know, since the 70's, but still the state legislature issues unfunded mandates to county and city governments. The federal government does the same to the states, and even several Democratic states are whining they can't afford the implementation of Obamacare.

    I don't say the federal government should have no role in reforming healtcare regulation to encourage cost savings and availability of coverage. I do say they should not prescribe the exact method for each state. In other words, set the general expectations for slowing the rise in the cost of healtcare, increasing the number of insured, and basic benefits. Then, hands off and let the states flush out the details appropriate to reach the general federal targets.

    It's federalism at its best and Jefferson and Madison would have been proud.

    We can still do that without repealing the whole enchilada. Let's learn from the real world and adjust where needed.

    Practical bi-partisan problem solving not blind partisanship!

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Jan. 3, 2011 2:38 p.m.

    facts_r_stubborn - I am with you. I have no problem repealing Obamacare, or amending it, so long as there is a better alternative. But you don't take away something, leaving a void for a couple of years while you figure it out. That would cause companies to have to retool what they are offering three time - and each time you change things up, it cost companies money.

    The pragmatic way to deal with this is to repeal and replace those sections that don't work. We don't need revolutionary change, but evolutionary change.

    I would love to see what the Republicans have in mind - as a package. Unfortunately up to right now, this grand plan only exist in someones head and there is nothing to look at yet.

    Having a show vote with no plan is yet another battle taken where time would be better spent actually doing productive work toward a real solution, or on other initiatives that truly do need our attention.

    Remember Jobs... that still needs to be fixed. This battle will do nothing to advance that issue.

  • Pagan Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 3, 2011 2:29 p.m.

    'Now all we can do is threaten to repeal Obamacare, with an eye to 2012 elections and gaining more power. Fine! But what is our plan to address the core problem? Before we repeal the democratic solution shouldn't we have a plan B?' - facts_r_stubborn | 2:17 p.m.

    THANK you!

    Facts, your a self-identified conservative, I'm a self-identified liberal, and I completely agree with this statement.

    Going forward from this, a state-by-state option would be very confusing and, at some points I'm sure, contradictory.

    Perhaps a public option...

  • facts_r_stubborn Kaysville, UT
    Jan. 3, 2011 2:17 p.m.

    Extreme ideological politics buy us very little. I'm a conservative who also recognizes the fact that health care costs are eating the middle class alive.

    Obamacare did nothing to address the true cost drivers of healthcare. It was benefit side only. They also totally inaccurately made the private health insurance industry with a 1.6% profit margin the scapegoat for these rising healthcare costs.

    To really get at the costs, we need state based reforms that fit the situations in each state. MA is not UT.

    Having said that, it is very unfortunate that my party really is becoming the party of "no." We don't offer any realistic solutions anymore. We did have some pretty good market based ideas on how to slow rising healthcare costs.

    Now all we can do is threaten to repeal Obamacare, with an eye to 2012 elections and gaining more power. Fine! But what is our plan to address the core problem? Before we repeal the democratic solution shouldn't we have a plan B?

    Ultimately, the Republican, (tea-ed-off party) will not be successful if it doesn't have it's own detailed plans for market based solutions.

  • christoph Brigham City, UT
    Jan. 3, 2011 2:03 p.m.

    "Where there is no vision the people perish. " Our current system has bankrupt too many businesses and families. Congress has good health care.

  • Brother Chuck Schroeder A Tropical Paradise USA, FL
    Jan. 3, 2011 1:53 p.m.

    Sorry GOP (freshman), it's the "Baby-Boomer Retirement Wave" that's in charge in 2012 also. Eager to show who's now in charge, the House's new Republican majority plans to vote to repeal President Barack Obama's landmark health care overhaul before he even shows up in their chamber to give his State of the Union address. You paid your Medicare taxes all those years and think you deserve your money's worth: full benefits after you retire. Nearly three out of five people say in a recent Associated Press-GfK poll that they paid into the system so their benefits shouldn't be cut. But a newly updated financial analysis shows that what people paid into the system doesn't come close to covering the full value of the medical care they can expect to receive as retirees. Consider an average-wage, two-earner couple together earning $89,000 a year. Upon retiring in 2011, they would have paid $114,000 in Medicare payroll taxes during their careers. But they can expect to receive medical services from prescriptions to hospital care worth $355,000, or about three times what they put in.

  • xscribe Colorado Springs, CO
    Jan. 3, 2011 1:36 p.m.

    Can people stop using the words "American people" as if all American people believe one thing or another. State your belief and be done with it, but don't lump me in with your beliefs!

  • Pagan Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 3, 2011 1:16 p.m.

    'I don't think anyone says the current system is good.' - Anti Government | 11:54 a.m.

    'Seems like your life is at risk more with Government insurance than with private.' - RedShirt | 11:56 a.m.

    Anti Goverment, meet Redshirt.

    Who argues that private health insurance is 'less risk' (better?) than goverment....

    when medicare covers 45 million people, and Aetna covers 13 million.

  • Kimber Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 3, 2011 1:07 p.m.

    Our Health Insurance Reform may be repealed by the house right now, but it will never be repealed by the Senate and it won't down the road either. It isn't perfect (and the Republicans don't have a perfect solution either) But it's a start and will take us on our way to better health insurance coverage. The biggest thing people don't understand is that it is mostly about denying people coverage due to pre-existing conditions and about the hardship and sometimes, even bankruptsy due to medical bills. This is not civilized in the greatest country in the world! Many other countries already have provisions for these things and we need to catch up to them if we want to continue to be that advanced country.

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    Jan. 3, 2011 11:56 a.m.

    To "Pagan | 11:30 a.m." how about this:

    "Medicaid cuts: teeth pulled, transplant called off" - Deseret News

    "In Illinois, a pharmacist closes his business because of late Medicaid payments. In Arizona, a young father's liver transplant is canceled because Medicaid suddenly won't pay for it. In California, dentists pull teeth that could be saved because Medicaid doesn't pay for root canals"

    "Medicares Refusal of Medical Claims Continues to Outpace Private Rate" - The Independent Institute

    "In its 2009 National Health Insurer Report Card, the AMA reports that Medicare denied only 4% of claimsa big improvement, but outpaced better still by the private insurers. The prior years high private denier, Aetna, reduced denials to 1.81%an astounding 75% improvementwith similar declines by all other private insurers, to average only 2.79%."

    Seems like your life is at risk more with Government insurance than with private.

  • Anti Government Alpine, UT
    Jan. 3, 2011 11:54 a.m.

    re: Pagan

    Your anecdotal stories are wonderful. I don't think anyone says the current system is good.

    Anyone with a brain though ought to realize that the massive govt reach that they call "reform" is nothing but a road to higher taxes and more debt.

    I'm not sure how you live at your house but most people, unless their liberals, should try to live within their means. Translation? If you don't have the money then you shouldn't spend it.

    The government gets its money from us and they are nearly bankrupt so how is it the govt can mandate all this coverage when there is not money to provide it.

    The curent system is no good but obamas is worse.

    We need health insurance just like life insurance. You pay according to risk and you are guaranteed coverage as long as you pay your premiums.

    You are as bad as the silly liberal politicians that have been bought off by the special interests.

    The reality is we do not have enough money to cover every single heath issue. That is unaffordable but then again that is what seems to appeal to democrats. Just print more huh?

  • Cats Somewhere in Time, UT
    Jan. 3, 2011 11:49 a.m.

    Fortunately, the American people have more common sense than many senators.

    Congress will simply zero fund this monstrosity, the House will vote to repeal and the American people will see who is really on their side--not the Dems.

    The American people have the right to self determination. They don't want Obamacare. Obama, Pelosi and Reid have no concern about what the people want. They are only concerned about their own leftist agenda. IT'S SCARY.

    We need TRUE health care reform and not this disaster known as Obamacare.

  • Pagan Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 3, 2011 11:30 a.m.

    Republicans 'vowed' to stop healthcare reform.

    Now, they vow to repeal it.

    How effective.

    As for improvements....

    * 'Heavy infant in Grand Junction denied health insurance' - By Nancy Lofholm - Denver Post - 10/12/09

    'By the numbers, Alex (Lange) is in the 99th percentile for height and weight for babies his age. Insurers don't take babies above the 95th percentile, no matter how healthy they are otherwise.
    "I could understand if we could control what he's eating. But he's 4 months old. He's breast-feeding. We can't put him on the Atkins diet or on a treadmill," joked his frustrated father, Bernie Lange...'

    * Insurer revoked HIV Patients coverage Reuters 03/17/10

    I will grant you healthcare reform is not perfect.

    But it is better than being dropped from your insurance if you find out you have a terminal disease.

    Like cancer.

    'Wellpoint Drops Coverage For Some Women With Breast Cancer' - By Mary Ellen Egan - Forbes Magazine - 04/23/10

    'Yesterday, an investigation by Reuters revealed that Wellpoint routinely drops coverage of women with breast cancer. According to the report, Wellpoint used a computer algorithm that automatically targeted...'

  • DN Subscriber Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 3, 2011 11:24 a.m.

    Obama is destroying our country, and even more Democrats will be thrown out of office in 2012.

    Maybe we will survive until then, but health care has been irretrievably broken now, and will be bad even if Obamacare is repealed.

  • Fitness Freak Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 3, 2011 11:00 a.m.

    No surprises here!

    We'll simply not fund Obamacare and repeal it in 2012 with the next (Republican) president.

    Citizens want IMPROVEMENTS to their health care delivery systems, NOT 16000 new IRS agents!