Dick Harmon: Dick Tomey says BYU on right path

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  • P. Sylvan Redlands, CA
    Dec. 27, 2010 7:19 p.m.


    Jealous much?

    Face it, as the Utes bolted with Larry Scott citing the Utes "Athletic Prowess" (did he watch the BSU Game... Has he see the Boyten Basketball Team???), BYU set themselves apart from the BCS Cartel...

    The Utes played the conference system, and declared themselves winners, and BYU again broke the system to break away from the PAC(k) of the BCS cartel...

    ...Once again, BYU breaks the mold of the forced BCS Cartel, and Utah is the lap puppy, that kisses up to the BCS...

    ...Because the Utes need the BCS to make them feel "special", because the Utes have no NC... No Heismans, No Davey Obriens ...No Doak Walkers... No Outland Trophy Winners... Just the BCS to make them feel warm and snuggly... (Did I mention BYU has a NC? What about that Howard S,???)

    So enjoy being BCS Cartel lap puppies, while once again, BYU breaks out and breaks the mold and redesigns the college football landscape.

    A school from Utah directing the National College Football Scene again... on their way to force a playoff...

    I love BYU!!!

    ...and what a great time to be a ute... LOL.

  • TrueBlue Orem, UT
    Dec. 27, 2010 3:02 p.m.

    It makes you wonder why Howard S. and so many other Utah trolls spend so much time trying to convince themselves and the rest of us how horrible being an independent is going to be for BYU.

    If being independent is so terrible, why has Notre Dame stayed independent all these years? The Fighting Irish could join any conference in the country with just a phone call.

    BYU doesn't have the clout that Notre Dame has, but BYU does have a national fan base and national reputation that was obviously attractive enough to draw the attention of ESPN. Who in the world of college football doesn't know about Steve Young, Ty Detmer, Jim McMahon or BYU's national championship team. Controversial, or not, fans from around the country know about BYU and the decades long success of the BYU football program.

    The Cougars won't set the football world on fire every year, but they will have the stage to make some real noise when they do have a good team.

    That's what every program hopes for. To be noticed, when you're good.

  • BlueCoug Orem, UT
    Dec. 27, 2010 2:42 p.m.

    Craig Thompson's television blunder had the Cougar's trapped in a television coverage wasteland. BYU's only viable option for escaping was independence.

    CT derailed the WAC option because he mistakenly believed that the MWC was better than "nothing". As it turns out, "nothing" is better than the MWC as long as it includes the MTN.

    Not having the safety net of a conference will be challenging, but I believe BYU will rise to the challenge of being an independent.

    The biggest up side of BYU's independence is having ESPN as a partner. That partnership could pay huge dividends for BYU in terms of revenue and exposure. If the Cougars are successful, they'll never have to worry about the rest of the country not knowing about it.

    For BYU fans, having almost unlimited access to all BYU sports will be fan heaven. Check out the few BYU basketball games that have been posted on BYU-TV this year to get a taste of what to look forward to.

  • Buster Fruit Heights, UT
    Dec. 27, 2010 2:32 p.m.

    Mr. Howard,

    Get a lump of coal for Christmas...

    Cheer up.

    BYU has a television station that reaches a worldwide following.

    The other schools don't have the infrastructure...


    Just because the U went one way, and BYU went another, don't be a hater.

    I get the feeling you're upset. That would lead me to think that BYU has the sweeter package. That would lead me to think you're jealous.

    If you weren't, you wouldn't be sweating BYU's deal.

    I'm right, just admit you're jealous that Utah is stuck in the tightly ruled PAC, playing the same schools year in year out, making them change from being the Utes (or so I have heard)... And BYU has the freedom to create a national (not regional) following, with nation-wide recruitment options.

    Two programs headed in different directions.

    No wonder you are so jealous.

    Hey, anyway, let's talk basketball.

  • Rock Chalk BYU Lawrence, KS
    Dec. 27, 2010 1:29 p.m.

    Howard, too bad you haven't joined the "big time" yet. You should try being a fan of your "big time" program, instead of being an anti-fan of lesser program and maxing out on your allotment of comments on every article about them during the offseason.

    You aren't even a member of the big time "I can read" club, because I've told you *twice* now about where you can put your theory about BYU playing mid-week games, using an ancient technique known as *fact checking*. But you didn't bother to read or respond, did you? Instead, you like to come out from under your bridge and type nonsense like the troll that you are. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. No more for Howard S.

  • Cougarista Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 27, 2010 1:26 p.m.

    It's an imperfect world, but BYU will do just fine as an independent. It will be better than the broken MWC and much better than the old WAC. The reaction of schools like SDSU and Wyoming clearly indicate they've been riding on BYU's back for years and now they will have to stand on their own.

    The trolls are out in force today because there is nothing printable to say about ute basketball.

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    Dec. 27, 2010 11:39 a.m.

    Re: Buster | 10:03 p.m. Dec. 26, 2010
    Fruit Heights, UT

    "Oh, if BYU makes this work, others will follow..."

    Dear Mr. Buster,

    Penn State is in the BIG 10 because they were invited to the big time.

    BYU is independent because they were not invited to the big time.

    In fact BYU is independent because no other conference wants them.

    Oh, and if an HD truck made any difference to the success of a college football program, Penn State would have one, Texas would have one, Florida, USC, Oregon, would all have them.

    The truth is major college football teams don't need HD trucks.

  • Hank Pym SLC, UT
    Dec. 27, 2010 10:33 a.m.

    re: PAC man | 8:24 p.m. Dec. 25, 2010

    "The truth is, all BYU has to do is perform on the field, ESPN will take care of the rest."

    Is this what Austin Collie meant by Magic happens or is there some Gadianton like influence at work here?

  • Buster Fruit Heights, UT
    Dec. 26, 2010 10:03 p.m.

    Uteology | 10:25 p.m. Dec. 25, 2010
    Fort Worth, Texas

    Penn State would have stayed indie if they had their own HD setup.

    All those indie teams get indie stations and TV contracts, have the same clause that let's ND into the BCS -- 17 million to split one way...

    TV contract that doesn't need to be split.

    Oh, if BYU makes this work, others will follow...

  • Wastintime Los Angeles, CA
    Dec. 25, 2010 11:52 p.m.

    @ anti BCS - You sound as if being an independent is BYU's best option; even better than being a member of a BCS conference. Is that what you believe?
    Also, bigotry has many faces and I would say the disrespectful Prop 8 campaign waged in CA sealed the deal for BYU ever becoming a member of the PAC 12.

  • Uteology Fort Worth, Texas
    Dec. 25, 2010 10:25 p.m.


    I disagree. Beating an over hyped #11 UCLA wasn't a solid win for Utah. Nor was beating a preseason #3 OU for BYU. However, they were both good wins.

    Winning ranked teams is important if you want a shot at a national title in the current system. Does TCU deserve a title shot over Auburn or Oregon? No. Did Utah over USC and Auburn in 2004? No.


    Wasn't Penn State independent until 1992?

    Assuming you are right that Texas, USC, Alabama, etc. go Indy then what happens to the BCS bowls?

    For example, PAC-10 and Big-10 are tied to the Rose Bowl. So would they allow one of these Indy's to take one of their spots and lose out on the 17 million? Highly unlikely.

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    Dec. 25, 2010 10:20 p.m.

    A reality check for the independent giddy.

    After failing miserably in their first objective of joining the BIG12, BYU also failed in their second objective of joining the WAC.

    Upon their failure to find a conference BYU remembered that they had an HD truck and that they really wanted to be independent all along.

    A match was made in heaven when BSU joined the MWC leaving the weekday ESPN schedule available for BYU and their shiny new HD truck.

    The bottom line is that since no conference (even the MWC)wanted them, BYU suddenly found themselves available to replace Boise on ESPNs prime time weeknight lineup.

    The ironic thing is that Boise had the same weeknight deal with ESPN and they didn't even need an HD truck to sweeten the pot.

  • TJ Eagle Mountain, UT
    Dec. 25, 2010 9:45 p.m.

    I love all the positive publicity that BYU is getting across the country. Many respected people and networks are really high on them. Can't wait to see next years edition of their team. All; chrisb is nothing more than a jealous and obsessed Y hater who loves to create controversy with ridiculous statements. You can tell when She is really nervous and insecure when she post more often and her statements are even more ridiculous. She loves to stir the pot, then sit back and laugh at all those who defend BYU with the obvious answers. She is like several other disturbed people who post hateful garbage on all BYU articles.
    It can be fun to read her posts sometimes but remember that you can roll in the mud with the pigs but you both get dirty and the pigs like it

  • anti BCS Anaheim, CA
    Dec. 25, 2010 9:39 p.m.

    "if being independent in football is such a great idea, why are there only 3 (now 4) independent programs?"

    Simple answer.

    Because there are very few other schools with a national fan base, their own television, and most importantly, a solid enough national reputation to be attractive to the leading sports broadcaster in the country.

    The fact is, if the PAC 12 had based it's decision on who to invite strictly on the overall quality of the athletic programs and the strength of their fan base and television market, BYU is head-and-shoulders better than Utah and Colorado. Sunday play and religious bigotry were the overriding factors in BYU not being invited to the PAC 12.

    That's fine. The PAC 12 has the right to choose their own standards and criteria for conference membership. By the same token, BYU has its own unique standards and goals and, fortunately for BYU, a solid enough national reputation to sign an exclusive 8-year television contract with ESPN.

  • Wastintime Los Angeles, CA
    Dec. 25, 2010 8:59 p.m.

    Two questions: First, if being independent in football is such a great idea, why are there only 3 (now 4) independent programs?
    Second, CougarKeith above said, "If BYU fails in the "Independant" ranks, one thing is for certain, they will be invited into a BCS Conference, and they will become a team with MUCH MORE respect!" Who seriously believes that a school who wasn't invited into a BCS conference in the first place will improve its credentials (and be subsequently invited) by failing as an independent?

  • Veritas Aequitas Fruit Heights, UT
    Dec. 25, 2010 8:47 p.m.

    Howard and Rocky:

    BYU's next two bowl tie-ins are in San Diego, and San Francisco. Cheap fares, and great places to watch football.

    BYU has a large fanbase in both cities. I'm sure no one is worried about them getting 6 wins each of the two seasons, and selling tickets.

    Rocky, apples,... oranges.

    One possible scenario Mr. Tomey is missing when talking about fewer conferences, is if this works out for BYU, there will be fewer conferences needed because big name teams will go the independent route also...

    Providing more big name teams looking for a home and home arrangement in November.

    Total speculation on BYU's part, but could turn out to be a visionary thing of mass proportions...

    Sort of like Utah opening a Barnes and Noble (very prestigous) while BYU becomes the next Amazon.com. but still with stores (stadiums) all over the country == Not just on the Left coast.

    Tomey doesn't need to sell ESPN's Vision. His opinion is solid enough on it's own merits.

    Going forward with a solid group of underclassman, a PAC transfer in basketball, and a storng business plan.

    That type of going forward.

  • Uteology Fort Worth, Texas
    Dec. 25, 2010 8:46 p.m.

    @Rock Chalk BYU

    You seriously don't think a 2-22 vs ranked teams is a problem for the future?

    Since BYU no longer has a conference they will have to schedule better teams. Hence, I can assume more ranked teams. Sorry 2-22 is not a good trend as your SOS increases.

    According to Scouts over the last 10 years the mid-majors class rankings are:

    1. BYU 46.67
    2. Utah 68.22
    3. TCU 70.78

    So, the research shows it is BYU who has the best recruits. However...

    NFL talent drafted over the same period:

    1. Utah 27
    2. TCU 24
    3. BYU 20

    Thus, both Utah and TCU are doing a better job of developing NFL talent with "lesser" recruits. The result of which can be seen on the field, both have had multiple top 5 teams in the last 10 years.

  • MiP Iowa City, IA
    Dec. 25, 2010 8:25 p.m.

    Just want to say, it's been a great year ya'll. Thanks for your posts, comedic rants, and knowledge of the game. Haters, delusional fans, zealots and causal observers alike. It's been fun.

    I think BYU has a chance to do something special by going independent. I don't know if it means more football glory, but I gotta believe it will translate into more exposure for the school, their players and the mission of the University. I wish them luck.

    Uteology, you are the stats guru, and I'm glad you are a Ute. But sometimes stats can be misleading. The 2-22 negates solid wins by BYU last year vs Oregon State and Oklahoma, both ranked at the time. Now, I understand OU struggled the rest of the year and preseason rankings are to be taken with a grain of salt, but still both should be viewed as nice wins. The OU win in particular garnered a lot of attention.

    I credit the Utes for killing #11 UCLA in 2007 (which team ended up unranked) and beating #15 Pitt this year (which likewise ended unranked). Both were nice wins over good programs.

    Merry Christmas everyone.

  • PAC man Anaheim, CA
    Dec. 25, 2010 8:24 p.m.

    Howard S.

    Feel free to make clueless statements like "The influence of ESPN got BYU the New Mexico bowl?"

    The truth is, all BYU has to do is perform on the field, ESPN will take care of the rest.

    Just like Boise State landing in the Las Vegas Bowl, instead of the Kraft Fight Hunger Bowl, ESPN will always make sure that BYU lands in the best bowl possible given BYU's record.

    AND, if BYU should happen to start a season with road wins against teams like Ol' Miss, Texas and Oregon State, don't be too surprised to see the ESPN hype machine kicking into high gear to promote BYU as a serious NC contender.

    If Heaps starts the season strong, expect ESPN to start including him in the early season Heisman hype.

    Why is Oregon playing in the BCS championship game instead of TCU?


    Never underestimate the kind of influence ESPN can have in turning a very good season into an exceptional season.

  • Where's Stockton ??? Bowling Green, OH
    Dec. 25, 2010 7:11 p.m.

    Gee's Howard just how dense are you?...Of course it's promotion...Daaaaah...that's what it's about and all this team needs is to bring in someone of Detmer's caliber and the whole thing swings the program north...The talent is there and with the right changes in the coaching staff things start clicking. Financially this is a win/win situation for both ESPN and BYU especially when you consider the state of the art TV facilities that no other University but BYU has. Even ESPN doesn't have the mobile capability that BYU has created for this new system. So being able to access that mobile capability is a big plus for ESPN...that's one of the pieces that makes this so attractive. BYU is in charge of their own destiny. No one owns them... so you are very mistaken my friend. BYU has something that no other University has...not even Notre Dame and ESPN wants to be part of it...so Daaaahh obviously they are going to move this independance. Just the TV imcome potential alone makes this a 5 star deal.

  • Rock Chalk BYU Lawrence, KS
    Dec. 25, 2010 6:30 p.m.


    Ahhh, great strategy: (a) find the statistics that support your view, (b) proclaim them as if they are universally important. Just FYI, your viewpoint is that of an anti-fan, and I don't think that is subject to change, therefore I think you will always be able to find the statistics you need to support your point of view, so you don't have to worry about losing your job there.

    In case you missed it, my post was *forward looking*. In my view, BYU's major shortcoming was in coaching, they have addressed (effectively) and are continuing to address this. Another weakness is the raw athleticism of those that will play at BYU. This will always be there to some extent (besides, if BYU dropped the Honor Code, what would be the point? Does the world need another university that is just like the rest?). The area of recruiting is just like the rest (scheduling, revenue, TV exposure): lots of doomsday scenarios from the haters, and lots of positive developments in reality. Bottom line: I see lots of positive indicators, and yes, I mean "on the filed" [sic].

    --- A not-about-to-change BYU fan.

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    Dec. 25, 2010 6:21 p.m.

    CordonBleu | 5:49 p.m. Dec. 25, 2010
    Park City, UT

    ESPN promoting their product?

    The influence of ESPN got BYU the New Mexico bowl, my friend.

    A pattern of things to come?

    BTW, do you think that ESPN noticed all those BYU fans at the New Mexico Bowl disguised as empty seats?

  • CordonBleu Park City, UT
    Dec. 25, 2010 5:49 p.m.

    Howard S.

    Jealous, eh?

    Get used to it!

    The ESPN hype machine for BYU has already started and we're still 8 months away from BYU's first game under their exclusive 8-year contract with ESPN.

    You'll soon come to understand why BYU fans are so excited to escape from CT's MTN to ESPN.

    As an independent, BYU will be happy to work for ESPN, and, more importantly, BYU will be happy to have ESPN work for BYU!

    Having ESPN promoting your "product" does have its advantages.

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    Dec. 25, 2010 5:13 p.m.

    As keynote speaker for the New Mexico Bowl Tomey works for ESPN.

    As an independent football program BYU works for, and is the property, of ESPN.

    Tomey is not going to bite the hand that feeds him.

    Of course he is going to speak positively of BYU as ESPN's new property.

    I love it (and also think it's a little pathetic) that Harmon and BYU fans in general take placating compliments as genuine.

    BTW, Merry Christmas to all.

  • Where's Stockton ??? Bowling Green, OH
    Dec. 25, 2010 5:00 p.m.

    @ Rock of the Marne

    Yes the coldest Las Vegas Bowl ever... Az 31 No. 16 BYU 21... I was there and not happy with Anae's play calling then... which has been finally exposed as the last of Crowton's recruits exit the program. It really became apparent just how mediocre he is as a coach during this disasterous year. However... despite his mediocrity the potentially raw talent that this young team has also became apparent. Too bad that they didn't have a more versed and talented Offensive Coordinator who could have put them in a stronger and better prepared position going into this new and exciting era...Independance will be good for BYU. If we owe Utah anything it's for being the catalyst for finally leaving the MWC...it's crummy TV coverage and it's totally inept Commissioner.

    The one play that irks me the most this year is the stupidest of all gambles Anae has ever tried second only to not taking the knee and trying to run the ball against UCLA. Only minutes into the 3rd qtr and he doesn't take an easy chipshot fieldgoal which would have won the game

  • BYU/RSL Fan Provo, UT
    Dec. 25, 2010 4:34 p.m.


    Obviously you care enough to comment on the article.


  • Uteology Fort Worth, Texas
    Dec. 25, 2010 4:33 p.m.

    @Rock Chalk BYU
    "I think all indicators are pointed in the positive direction. Go Cougars!"

    What indicators would that be?

    Like the fact that in the MWC BYU is 2-22 vs final ranked teams and no wins over non-conference teams (only wins over #23 TCU and #18 Utah).

    BYU's senior class next year is 1-7 vs final ranked teams in 3 years, 28-11 overall with loses to: #50 UofA, beat down by #110 @Utah State, and a beat down @LES by a #35 7-6 FSU team.

    Yes, they control their own revenue and exposure is MUCH better on ESPN but that has nothing to do with success on the filed, just look at Notre Dame.

    Dec. 25, 2010 3:48 p.m.

    Who cares...

  • Stay the Course Mona, UT
    Dec. 25, 2010 3:05 p.m.

    Oh Chrissy
    We so love you for keeping a smile on our faces.
    First Thing I do when I come home is look up Desnews sports and comments to read what absurdities you may have posted for the day you truly are a legend
    Look forward to reading more Mark it Down guarantees
    in the future

  • wardu Fallon, NV
    Dec. 25, 2010 3:05 p.m.

    I quite enjoyed seeing Utah get pummeled by BSU, not because of the program, which I respect, although Coach needs to get a thumb on some of his goofy players, but because of the fans. Guaranteeing wins, spending more time disrespecting other teams than rooting for their own team, and so on. It was a good wake-up call for the Utes as they go into their new adventure. I will be happy to only root for my team and ignore the rest when everyone else does.

    Exhibit A: Crissy and her lame predictions.

  • BleedCougarBlue Enid, OK
    Dec. 25, 2010 2:29 p.m.

    Ahhhhh, Casey Tiumalu. Number #20, if I remember correctly.

    Now that's a name I think is mentioned far too rarely when talking about BYU's glory days in the 80s.

    I remember one play when we were playing UCLA and Casey had the ball. Here came the would-be UCLA tackler and Casey did something I never would have considered for a short running back. Casey didn't jink left and he didn't jink right. Casey ran right OVER the guy. I mean right smack THROUGH the guy.
    That defender never had a chance. Casey put his helmet down and the defender literally bounced off Casey and Casey went right over the top of him.

    Gosh, he was GREAT!

    Go Cougars!

  • Slim Shady 801 Bluffdale, UT
    Dec. 25, 2010 2:16 p.m.

    BYU and Utah have not had great records versus the Pac 10 on the road....both lost to UCLA in LA the last time they played......look it up

  • Gary Kinney Huntington Beach, CA
    Dec. 25, 2010 1:46 p.m.

    Merry Christmas Everyone! I love the peace and friendship shared on this sight.

  • The Silent Lurker Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Dec. 25, 2010 1:36 p.m.

    Personally I am skeptical about independence, next years schedule is very weak to say the least but we will have to wait and see what the future holds. The talk of improved bowl games is a really not relevant because know one knows which bowl the cougars will play in until it actually happens. There are requirements for every bowl and Until they are met it is just anybodys guess. BYU has the possibility of earning more from their contracted bowls because they will not be spliting their take with anyone else. Even then making money is not always guaranteed.

  • wardu Fallon, NV
    Dec. 25, 2010 1:13 p.m.

    Rock, why are you living in BYU's past? It is people like you that are always telling Yfan to get out of the past. Weak and old.

  • wardu Fallon, NV
    Dec. 25, 2010 1:09 p.m.

    Chrissy, here's hoping you got a new crystal ball for Christmas, the old one quit working.
    Utah 34 Boise 24, everyone laughs again.

    BTW, Utah's O-line is still holding.

  • anti BCS Anaheim, CA
    Dec. 25, 2010 12:31 p.m.

    "How did BYU do the last time they faced Arizona"

    What difference does it make? The last time BYU faced a PAC 10 opponent, BYU destroyed the then #16 ranked Oregon State 44-20 in a game that wasn't even that close.

    Utah will fit nicely as a little fish in a big pond in a conference where the Utes haven't beaten a good PAC 10 team on the road since last century.

  • Rock Of The Marne Phoenix, AZ
    Dec. 25, 2010 11:50 a.m.

    Where's Stockton ??? How did BYU do the last time they faced Arizona in football; Ill tell you, bad loss. Its like shooting fish in barrel with most BYU fans.

  • Rock Of The Marne Phoenix, AZ
    Dec. 25, 2010 11:48 a.m.

    Dave from Taylorsville "BYU will do very very well as an independent, they will play in some much more notable bowl games (because they can travel VERY well, unlike the Utes)." Really because when I was channel surfing and came on to the New Mexico Bowl I saw pretty much an empty stadium (where were the supposed well traveling Y faithful). On the other hand the stadium was full at the Vegas bowl with far more Ute fans than BSU fans. Utah traveled very well to both BCS games so I think you are a bit out base especially base there. With regards to your predictions about Utah not going to anymore bowls I think that is quite laughable since they have been to one pretty much every year the last decade including two BCS bowls. How many BCS bowls has your "team on the rise" been to? Come back when your team actually goes to a BCS bowl (let alone 2) and kicks the trash out the opponent. Until then you and other such BYU rips on Utah will be nothing more than fantasy/fiction.

  • Where's Stockton ??? Bowling Green, OH
    Dec. 25, 2010 10:27 a.m.

    Ref: Chris B.
    You are so funny...and what a clown...Keep us laughing there guy.
    The uteys will have a nice reception into the PAC...especially from their old fomer WAC opponents in Arizona who will be wiping the their feet on the new doormat team in the conference...Good Luck...

  • Dave from Taylorsville Taylorsville, UT
    Dec. 25, 2010 10:04 a.m.

    Chris B. or Cris B. or who ever you are (maybe you're Hayes Barnard or Paramount Equity who said in his commercials about mortgage rates in the 5%s on KSL Radio, that "That ship has sailed." Oh well, who ever you are; write this down!

    BYU will do very very well as an independent, they will play in some much more notable bowl games (because they can travel VERY well, unlike the Utes), and their schedule will include more and more notable teams. You'll also hear a LOT more talk about them in the national media.

    ON THE OTHER HAND: The Utes. . . well let's just say, given tehir meltdown in the last quarter of the season and against "Girlie State", they won't even be smelling Roses, much less playing in that bowl for a long long long long time.

    The furture is bright and it looks very "blue."

  • Doctor J Manti, UT
    Dec. 25, 2010 9:46 a.m.

    BYU will do very well on ESPN and in idependence!

  • defibman Syracuse, UT
    Dec. 25, 2010 6:36 a.m.

    Hey Chris B do you want us to "write it down"?

    You seem to be good at bad predictions and you would think that you would learn your lesson, but you don't. With each "prediction" you become a bigger and bigger joke. Don't you wonder why everyone brings your name up when you make such silly predictions? Or do you live in a world where you just like to see your name in print. Sad, sad commentary on a life.

  • Max Syracuse, NY
    Dec. 25, 2010 5:40 a.m.

    I have had my doubts about this but I am softening my view. What anti BYU fans don't seem to understand is that the Mountain TV Network did not leave BYU any real option. They were quite literally invisible. When things didn't work out with any of the BCS conferences, that left BYU no other viable choice. To stay in the invisible MTN would have been like burying your talents or keeping your light hidden under a bushel. When you have the assets BYU has, you must invest them wisely. I mean, what else was there to do? (again, I have been quite negative about this in the past, but again, what else could they have done under the circumstances?) So far it looks like it may work out. I certainly hope so.

  • Joe Schmoe Orem, UT
    Dec. 25, 2010 4:58 a.m.

    Let's face it. Utah destroyed more than their own school when they left.

    Had they stayed, BYU and TCU would have stayed. Bring in BSU and that is a much better league than the Pac whatever.

    Instead Utah leaves and now its destiny will be a return trip to the LV bowl each year as the 6th place Pac team. They will get destroyed by the MWC team year in and year out.

    Yet the ute fans keep talking like it was a great move. It was a move made in hast. I blame Thompson for his lack of leadership in the MWC.

    The utes are going to get owned.

    Pac kids are already leaving the league and coming on board the BYU wagon.

    BYU and Utah = two teams headed in completely opposite directions.

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    Dec. 25, 2010 4:24 a.m.

    @ Chris

    Utah will start every season 3 and 1 against OOC opponents (the loss will be to BYU) and finish 7 and 6 after playing PAC teams. Ute fans- its groundhog day! Mediocrity, get used to it.

    See, Chris, that was neither intelligent, productive, creative or very nice. Please re-work your assignment and re-submit it after Christmas break.

  • DEW Cougars Sandy, UT
    Dec. 25, 2010 1:46 a.m.

    Chris B. Chris Momma and now Cris B - What are you? You said "ROSIE", funny you Chris and dream on about your utah going to Rose Bowl in Grand Daddy Day in January. So, are you getting all the fun with all the attention?

    Dick Tomey knows what he is talking about and he may be right. Go Cougars!

  • SportzFan Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 25, 2010 1:28 a.m.

    "Tomey said former Arizona coach Lute Olson was "phenomenal" and he worked with him when he coached the Wildcat football program. "He won a national championship after beating two No. 1 seeds and they were fabulous, but they finished fifth in the Pac-10. Were they the best team in the country? Probably not. But they got hot at the right time.""

    All debate about the "best team" is irrelevant. Give us a champion, who won that title by running the gauntlet of a playoff.

    Tomey cites the Arizona basketball championship? Well, in 1979 a team that didn't win their conference championship won the NCAA championships. They were a pretty good team, led by a pretty good player -- Magic Johnson.

    Florida beating Troy State and Appalachian State during the season makes them a good team. I call BcS.


  • RBC Cody, WY
    Dec. 25, 2010 12:24 a.m.

    Cris B. should spent less time predicting 1 and 4 starts for BYU, and more time thinking about his Utes after the fiasco in Vegas this week.

    Coach Wittingham is an excellent coach--but it's been a long time since I've seen a Ute team show such a lack of effort as they showed against Boise State.

    On the other hand, Bronco and the Cougars only improved with each game the 2nd half of this season, and Cougar fans are looking forward to next fall. I'm not sure I could say that if I were a Ute. As for mediocrity, that's what the entire nation saw from Utah in the Las Vegas Bowl. In fact, the term mediocre would be generous.

    I may bleed BYU blue, but even I didn't like to see Utah pummeled and humiliated like they were against Boise State the other night. Especially on national TV.

  • Slim Shady 801 Bluffdale, UT
    Dec. 25, 2010 12:24 a.m.

    BYU does not play Notre Dames' schedule....just look at who they play: Michigan State, Michigan, Purdue, USC, etc. WAC teams? Oh yeah, ND bounced Nevada 35 to zip in 2009.BYU will play some better non-league games, but teh WAC is well...WAC...

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Dec. 24, 2010 11:34 p.m.

    Players tranferring in from Southern Cal and UCLA reflects the direction of BYU sports. Many people here in Texas are looking forward to Cougar football in Austin. They were impressed with their play against Oklahoma. The future is bright.

  • Rock Chalk BYU Lawrence, KS
    Dec. 24, 2010 9:43 p.m.

    There are no WAC teams on BYU's schedule for 2013 on. And there are only two Friday games on BYU's 2011 schedule (UCF and Utah State). The haters like to say that BYU is a quasi-WAC team, and that ESPN will load them up with Wed/Thur/Fri games. Now that we have some real data to work with, the haters can take their theories and toss them in the garbage.

    BYU's move to independence has to be taken at face value: BYU said they wanted to take on a national schedule, and increase the prominence of their program, and have better control of their media rights/access, and that is what they are doing. The only thing that remains to be seen is how BYU will perform. I'm sure the haters have opinions about this also. I think all indicators are pointed in the positive direction. Go Cougars!

  • Cris B. Sandy, UT
    Dec. 24, 2010 8:52 p.m.

    Byu will start every season 1 and 4 against good opponents and finish 7 and 6 after playing wac teams. Cougars - its groundhog day! Mediocrity, get used to it

  • CougarKeith Roy, UT
    Dec. 24, 2010 7:53 p.m.

    If BYU fails in the "Independant" ranks, one thing is for certain, they will be invited into a BCS Conference, and they will become a team with MUCH MORE respect! I think they will be much more successful than Notre Dame has been in recent years, and the bowl games they will be looking at will bring in so much more revenue it will be rediculous. We already have some of the best facilities in all of College Football, and they will continue to stay on the cutting edge! BYU will outshine the other independants and playing the other independants gives us 3 games right off the bat. Good luck to BYU, and to the scheduling for them. I see many teams looking to fill their schedules with a game verses BYU, just for the status it will bring their programs.