Hornets throttle lifeless Utah Jazz

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  • Vince the boonies, mexico
    Dec. 18, 2010 7:36 p.m.

    C.J. in Dallas are you sane and of good mind? Your kid and A.K. make the jazz a "very" soft team. Neither player has an ounce of toughness and both absolutely lack consistency. How can you be super one night then stink up the joint the next 5 nights? I hope both players are traded before the deadline and replaced with someone that has desire, effort, and heart, softies don't work in this league!

  • CJ Miles Dallas, TX
    Dec. 18, 2010 3:28 p.m.

    There must be too much snow in Manti....

    Matthews is gone and the Jazz do not miss him. Their record proves it. It was just a bad game. I did say that Memo is a team-killler and I still believe it.

  • Doctor J Manti, UT
    Dec. 18, 2010 12:06 p.m.

    Wes Matthews was a BIG BIG part of the Jazz's success last year...now we have cj.

    Matthews is a MAN...mentally, physically, spiritually and emotionally!

    cj likes to laugh and giggle & is giddy when he scores a few buckets win/or lose...then he he will sulk and act despondent when others succeed and we win (I have seen it numerous times)

    Matthews can have 0 stats and still be a major contribution to the team...coaches and basketball experts understand those types of intangables...

    A guy like Matthews only comes along every so many years....we had him....O'Kevin didn't sign him for long enough...then he chose to let him go........Matthew is worth his salary when you divide it up between the length of the contract......some guys are not

    At Marquette, Uath & Portland...nobody has to worry if Wes is happy or feeling sad...is is mentally prepared to either start and play 40 minutes or come off the bench and play 2 minutes...he looks and acts the same way and he has dignity and guts.

    Wes Matthews has a lot of ball!

  • Captain L Provo, UT
    Dec. 18, 2010 11:38 a.m.

    Last nights game was ugly and most of the players are to blame, not just one or two.
    When DWill and CJ have bad games it makes things tough for the front court and both of them were bad.
    I'm not all that excited about Okur coming back, I know his outside shooting will help but at what expense? He never did move all that well on defense and now his movement is even worse. Guards and wings drive right by him (matador defense).
    We need Fes in the middle to disrupt the other teams offense and bang and intimidate.
    Hopefully Hayward will gain some confidence from last nights game and perform better tonight.
    I have always seen CJ's potential and been on his bandwagon but his inconsistency is about the only thing I know we can depend on. He really needs to change his pregame shooting/workout routine, so he can develop some consistency with his shooting.
    I get frustrated too with Sloans bias's and substitutions, this year has been better but I hope he doesn't go back to his old ways.

  • Iowa Jazz Fan 2 Cedar Rapids, IA
    Dec. 18, 2010 11:05 a.m.

    Redcliffs, you are right on -- Jazz didn't make any effort on the defensive end last night. Jazz always try to pack the paint; last night the Hornets did and the Jazz didn't bother to. I saw Jefferson stand two feet away and watch as Paul drove for a layup. Go look at the shot chart and see how many times Hornets got baskets in the paint, not to mention outright layups.

    Pathetic and disgusting.

    This team is hard to figure out.

  • redcliffs Ivins, Utah
    Dec. 18, 2010 9:42 a.m.

    The Jazz are a very good team, but they are not one of the elite teams in the NBA. The elite teams play strong defense EVERY night and that keeps them in games even when the have off nights shooting. Every team has off nights shooting the ball like the Jazz did last night but the big difference is when the Jazz don't play defense they will lose. When the best teams have off shooting nights they still have a chance to stay in the game and win because they play defense. I have seen the Jazz play defense and when they do they can beat anybody. The problem is they don't play that way for 4 quarters. Most of the time the Jazz do play well offensively and their good record reflects that, but if they don't get more solid and consistant on the other end of the floor they will only go so far.

  • Johnson72 Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 18, 2010 9:21 a.m.

    Awesome performance from the Spazz lastnight, Let's see some more of that tonight Go Bucks!!! However it was good to see Memo back in action.

  • nothegame Saratoga Springs, UT
    Dec. 18, 2010 8:48 a.m.

    can u say PA TH ETIC what a waste of time. And to think i could not waite for the game to see my Jazz play.They get 4 days off and play like that. I agree why doesn't coach just call time out and put 5 new players in the game. Find someone anyone who wants to give effort.

  • Doctor J Manti, UT
    Dec. 18, 2010 8:48 a.m.

    I thought cj was one of the greatest of all time...is that not what some were saying?

    cj...2-11 from floor...0-2 from 3 range...1-4 from line...0 assists... and a -11 on the plus minus....WOW!

    There is your cj...I hope you like him!

  • toddfromsantaana Santa Ana, CA
    Dec. 18, 2010 8:41 a.m.

    People are human. I do not cry or get upset at every loss, in 82 games like any long sports season, there are always a few clunkers. Howver, when trends of negativity and deficiencies continue to grow, it is like a fire that spreads until put out.

    I know Okur has to play and there is so many minutes available. My theory of the 10 I would go with would eliminate that issue and Fes could get the same minutes he has. However, SLoan tipped his hat by putting in Elson and only did because AJ was fatigued/foul prone whatever.

    I also question SLoan and his "sloanaholics". The issue is how Boozer did not play defense for the Jazz. It is really funny how now in Chicago, he is making a conscious effort because the "coach is making him". He will never be a defensive giant. However, at Duke he was not bad nor with Cleveland. He is not as bad as many here would like to believe. The problem was more he and Okur were a bad mix, but he has Noah behind him and that has made the difference.

    Again, blame O Connor for the poor decisions

  • The Great Houdini Rye, CO
    Dec. 18, 2010 8:39 a.m.

    Todd,nice to see someone who understands what Wes Matthews brings,"he`s only 6'2,6'3,6'4",I stood next to him"...who cares the guy is a pro,btw Barkley was only 6'4 and one of the best all-time

  • Old Timer the boonies, mexico
    Dec. 18, 2010 8:15 a.m.

    That game was pathetic, or better put "disgusting". Four players A.K.-18mil, D-Will-15mil, Jefferson-13mil, and Memo making 10-mil, for a total of 56 mil is absurb. It's disgusting that players making that kind of money and getting 4 days off can't find it from within themselves to show something called "intestinal fortitude". These players along with too many others that play all pro-sports are nothing but primma-donnas, and we the fans are the idiots that fund their fantasy lifestyles. I'm so disgusted that I could very easily never watch or pay to see another professional game of any sport ever again! It's ridiculous what we are being sold by the media and these sports franchises, just like what our politicans are doing to us in this country anymore. And to think that we the fans and citizens are going to buy this B.S. much longer? Give me a break please!

  • Dolly Sandy, UT
    Dec. 18, 2010 7:50 a.m.

    Geez!!! What was THAT??? Who were those guys? Rebounds, anybody? Free throws? Layups? Hucking long shots from any place? Did they all just party all night in New Orleans the night before that game? Please bring back our Jazzboys!!!

  • ed Los Olivos, CA
    Dec. 18, 2010 7:24 a.m.

    good to see memo. discouraging not to see fes earlier and more. i like aj but he should have taken the pine, last night.

  • Bugoff Houston, TX
    Dec. 18, 2010 7:11 a.m.

    KOC has done a decent job of correcting the mistakes of the previous 3 years.

    However, this team was designed with one of the key Sloan biases. There is a lack of 3 point shooting or at least consistent 3 point shooting. We have all known for years that teams pack the paint against the Sloan flex and you have to be able to shoot them out of it.

    The way you control Sloan is by the players you give him to work with.

    The Jazz will be yo-yos until KOC/Miller make a trade for more good perimeter shooters. Those shooters also have to play decent D.

    CJ is erratic and always will be. The Jazz have to have more and better, and consistent shooting from the SG and SF positions.

    Gordon is not the answer this year. Ditto for Bell. Wins depend on AK and CJ hitting outside shots.

    Every year Sloan/KOC/Miller design fatal flaws into the team and then wonder why they do not win. The fans pay.

    I blame the lack of rebounding on the players. I blame management for inadequate shooting.

    Some Coaches/GMs/Owners never learn.

  • Jazz Cop San Francisco, CA
    Dec. 18, 2010 3:38 a.m.

    @TODD-just watch, k, sloan will give all of fesenko's minutes to okur and the jazz won't be any better than last year for it...it makes me hate sloan.

  • Jazz Cop San Francisco, CA
    Dec. 18, 2010 3:25 a.m.

    @todd-ya, mathews looks great but look at prtlnds rcrds, they are not the same team, despite, having the same personnel as last year, being more dangerous,
    now, i am talking straight, bell seems like he has been a dissapointment, but everyone stuggles shooting when coming to the jazz, don't know why, but shooters like bell will come around, if not, then why play the game...i look at mathews too, ya, he is hard to see being a real pro, but it is only one qrtr through the season, real season starts in may anyway...we know that...spurs are playing better than they are, and dallas looks legitimately tough, i wouldn't put parker in that really good category, pretty good though...what happened tonight was alot on dwill actually, from the beginning he never initiated the offense, as the article says, it was an act of benevolence, the pronblem is, as we've seen, tis hard for this team to be legitimate when they concede to taking the back seat like tonight, very dissapointed.

  • deno22 Rexburg, ID
    Dec. 18, 2010 12:26 a.m.

    i would have benched the starters after the first quarter, they were horrid. Granted the bench didn't do much better. I was happy with Hayward, he played hard and well. It was nice to see Okur back and he will get back to his game, 8 months is a long time to be out.

  • toddfromsantaana Santa Ana, CA
    Dec. 17, 2010 11:22 p.m.

    Finale: CJ is happier and more comfortable starting. It is not fun to watch Elson stand and watch as Smith gets 2 rebounds over him on one possession. The Jazz were outrebounded 53-24 but worst is 13-7 on the offensive glass.

    Matthews is a plus 12 for average Portland team on the season. The Bell move might have been a mistake.

    Matthews people said was an overachiever. I have seen enough this season to see if anything he is improving.

    The Jazz should go with DWIL, Bell, CJ, Millsap and Jefferson.

    The Bench rotation should be AK and Okur, Watson, Price and Fesenko.

    Sloan just for whatever reason seems to be giving Kirilenko a ton of rope. Defensively,. AK used to be a terror. I no longer see this.

    CJ will be better starting. I feel this is the combo the Jazz need to go with, that might help with the ongoing problem of poor first quarters.

    As you get into January, teams level off that get hot and hot teams level off.

    Now we are seeing the truth. Okur played hard I give him credit. Hopefully, his impact down the line will help some of the deficiencies.

  • toddfromsantaana Santa Ana, CA
    Dec. 17, 2010 11:14 p.m.

    You knew SLoan would do this. It is wrong. Kirilenko is lazy, Sloan continues to give him minutes best served elsewhere such as Fesenko.

    Fesenko and Millie were the only ones tonight that were into the game. Fesenko showed more court awareness, and enthusiasm than anyone on the floor.

    CJ forces the issues at times when off the bench and the team down, he is hot and cold.

    For all the moves O Connor made, most have been fine. However, Matthews should have been resigned last year. He is averaging 15 ppg, 47 percent shooting, 38 on 3s in just 29 minutes. He received plays tonight as a go to guy in Portland and helped win the Minnesota game.

    Raja numbers are below Matthews in every category.

    Matthews also would have provided the wing we are missing, then the rest of the team would be fine.

    However, the rotations now are wrong. The Jazz I predict will win only Cleveland and 50-50 Minnesota on this trip.

    Sloan could go 2 ways. Stay tuned.

  • toddfromsantaana Santa Ana, CA
    Dec. 17, 2010 11:09 p.m.

    Tonight, we saw what has become a recurring theme for the Jazz since the last 4-0 road trip.

    The Jazz have not played well really since the Charlotte comeback. Teams are figuring out the 2nd looks of the Jazz to pack paint, force outside jumpers. DWIL is the best skilled PG but maybe now not the best. Paul and Parker are better now for one reason, DWIL does not push the pace. Against 1/2 court team like the Hornets you play right into the strength as hard to score vs West, Okafor, SMith etc..

    West Is the most underrated player in this league by far. In major markets he would get superstar pub.

    This game at 10-4 was over. The slow starts continually are bringing down the Jazz. SLoan is back with the biases.

    As I reported last week, when Okur came back, Fes would not be used in the rotation. For the complaints about Evans inactive, I do not blame Sloan there as Hayward was the high pick and is hoping his shooting can provide life in backcourt, as Evans now still primarily a dunker and athlete. So far.

  • jazz_man Fajardo, PR
    Dec. 17, 2010 10:24 p.m.

    What happened?

  • Hugh G. Hater SLC, UT
    Dec. 17, 2010 8:42 p.m.

    I want those 2.5 hours of my life back.