University of Phoenix enrollment drops because of changes to enrollment, recruiting practices

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  • John Pack Lambert of Michigan Ypsilanti, MI
    Dec. 5, 2010 10:43 p.m.

    I can not speak to colleges in Utah, but I do know that Eastern Michigan University offers many on-line and night classes, many of their graduate programs assume the students have day jobs. The same is true of Wayne State University.

    Also, BYU's independent study program at least meets some of the broad criteria mentioned by some.

    I would argue that some of the University of Phoenix probalems are linked to issues with on-line courses themselves.

    On the other hand, I dealt with cancelled sections at Wayne State University, so UofPh does not have a conner on that problem.

  • huggyface Murray, UT
    Dec. 5, 2010 10:21 p.m.

    RE: Big Al

    Your #2 is incorrect. UOP is accredited by the North Central Association, which is a regional accrediting body. This is the same level as the U or BYU, SUU etc.

    I am graduate of UOP and now a grad student at another university. Most grad programs require students to have a degree from a regionally accredited institution before accepting you into the program.

    As a UOP graduate, I'm very happy to see some of these changes (and I'm glad the feds are tightening the leash about how student loan money is used). It will help more people that sign up come away with an education and a degree, not just a load of debt.

  • Big Al Provo, UT
    Dec. 5, 2010 8:30 p.m.

    I used to be an Operations Manager for UOP, and I can say a few things:
    1. UOP is not a scam, but the educational model is very difficult for students to stick with over the long term (2+ years). The typical student has a full-time job, a family, other responsibilities, etc., and can't hack the accelerated learning model. So they quit--big surprise!
    2. UOP is Nationally accredited, which is not as credible as being Regionally accredited (such as BYU, U of U, USU, etc.) But still is fully accredited.
    3. UOP and other proprietary, for profit schools put a huge emphasis on SALES! They are a business first, and an educational institution second. They also depend wholly on either governmental or corporate tuition payment (very few UOP students are paying their tuition directly). Therefore, UOP depends a great deal on the government's program for student loans. That's the only way students can afford to get their education paid for. Like any other credit situation, the typical student is not thinking about the day of reckoning when they are approved for the loan. They are "surprised" when the time comes to repay.

  • Andrew J. Marksen Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 5, 2010 4:42 p.m.

    The "for profits" fill a need that regular universities either will not, cannot, or are simply to arrogant to meet. For those of you who are on your righteous soap box claiming that those who go to UoP or the like do not know sacrifice or are no twilling to work hard perhaps you should think twice before you attempt to speak. UVU, the U of U, BYU, WSU, and SLCC students carry many of the same loan types that UoP students use. Can anyone find at any state college or university here in Utah a dedicated online degree program with 20 to 30 degree options, is accessible 24/7, uses a proven accelerated learning plan, does not require proxy testing at a satellite office, caters to working adults, and offers credit for professional work in the field of degree choice? You cannot because it does not exist. UoP needed to make changes. What large institution doesnt? The real crime is the fallacy that the only degrees worth having are only from a traditional university of college. Perhaps the real investigation should be how these traditional institutions are failing a group of society in need of a vital service.

  • GoodGuyGary Houston, TX
    Dec. 5, 2010 4:33 p.m.

    Why would people go to University of Phoenix? If you are afraid difficult classes, you still have other choices, like University of Utah.

  • Rock Of The Marne Phoenix, AZ
    Dec. 5, 2010 1:25 p.m.

    My problem with the "for profit schools" is that said profit is guaranteed by the US Taxpayer in the form of government guaranteed student loans. If it weren't for government backed student loans the vast majority of these schools would go out of business. Guess who pays dear tax payer when a student of one of these for profit (some better than others) doesnt graduate with marketable skills and thus cannot pay back the loan. Basically it is another form of corporate welfare for the for profit schools who have raked in record guaranteed profits (govt. student loans again) and produced mixed at best and horrible at worst results.

  • Chris Degn San Antonio, TX
    Dec. 5, 2010 12:10 p.m.

    I obtained my Master of Counseling degree at the Salt Lake City UOP campus over a decade ago. My instructors were all fantastic. They and a good share of my fellow grad students were already working in the field of mental health, thus the UOP motto of "the university for working adults". UOP got me into a really good internship program and prepared me well for national licensing standards (CACREP). I licensed in North Carolina and passed the test easily on the first try. I am a very good mental health therapist now - and I owe a lot of that to UOP and its great program.

  • Henry Drummond San Jose, CA
    Dec. 5, 2010 11:50 a.m.

    A 40% drop in enrollment during a time when traditional schools are experiencing a 20% increase is simply astonishing. I also read an article published in the Deseret News on November 23 which said that the online school only graduated 5% of their entering students within 6 years.

    This should be a wake-up call to everyone. There simply isn't such a thing as convenient education. It takes time, effort, and sacrifice. That is why college graduates are so highly prized in the workforce. Those looking for the easy way out are just spinning their wheels and going nowhere.

  • kevin4byu Santaquin, UT
    Dec. 5, 2010 9:25 a.m.

    Being a father of 4 and a student I was unable to get any help from the regular universities. None of them seemed to want to help in any way and to get me into their school. UOP went out of their way to make sure I was going to have everything I needed in order to succeed. They work with me on financing and scheduling more than any state college did while attending them. If it wasn't for UOP I would not be able to get my degree and at least try to make a better life for my kids.

  • pickloid Milwaukee, WI
    Dec. 5, 2010 8:13 a.m.

    @ Mount Olympus- Actually, UOP probably has the same level of accreditation that the state university you dropped out of does.

  • Timp South Jordan, UT
    Dec. 5, 2010 7:27 a.m.

    If someone takes on a lot of debt to obtain a Univ of Phoenix degree than that is on them.

    It's really not that hard to go to a public university like the U - as you can always go the community college route as well.

  • Katie Herriman, UT
    Dec. 5, 2010 6:40 a.m.

    I registered for a program 5 years ago, showed up for my first class excited to learn, and after being told to sit in the foyer, the receptionist came over after making several phone calls and told me the class was cancelled. I drove 45 minutes to get to that class! The next class was also cancelled just after I'd arrived.
    I made an appointment with my 'counselor' and was told my master's program section was cancelled. I finally gave up, got a refund and went elsewhere. Poorly run, in my experience.

  • john in az tempe, az
    Dec. 5, 2010 1:15 a.m.

    i wouldn't call it a scam. I would say for-profit schooling is not the best choice.

    this is a long time coming from UOP/apollo group. The position description for "counselor" and "adviser" were basically sales positions. UOP had a unsustainable business model. Tons of debt with largely a useless degree.

  • Mount Olympus Holladay, UT
    Dec. 5, 2010 12:17 a.m.

    University of Phoenix is a scam. Occasionally they may have a class or 2 that will benefit someone, but overall it is a scam. Tuition costs are so high, it is not accredited by anyone, and you can't transfer the credits to a university.

    For-profits are not a good place to get a degree, I would urge all to stay away.