Brian David Mitchell suffers from bizarre delusions, doctor testifies

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  • John Pack Lambert of Michigan Ypsilanti, MI
    Dec. 11, 2010 2:59 p.m.

    Combining words and making up new ones is a sign of schizophrenia?

    Actually knowing the arrogance and elitishness of some in the psychiatric "profession" it would not surprise me is this "Dr." would have claimed that Palin's use of the term refudiate showed she had mental illness.

    This is the problems with this "doctor"'s amorphouse definition of delusions. They are built around a set of non-unique behaviors.

    They also need to be understood within the social and religious context of the person involved. The problem is that "Dr." DeMeir does not understnad even the basic Mormon social context, let alone the context of Bo Gritz extremism.

    It is convient for this doctor and many of his elitist allies to speak of the "God delusion" and write off all religious belief as at heart disordered.

    However, do we want to go from punishing criminals to "treating" all their actions as disordered. The fear in Mitchell's case is if he is given to these "experts" how long will it take him to be "cured" and set free.

  • John Pack Lambert of Michigan Ypsilanti, MI
    Dec. 11, 2010 2:37 p.m.

    I would point out, not that it will help all that much, that this is a federal trial. Some people speak of it as if it is a state trial.

    The prosecution is the U.S. attorney's office and if any attorney general ever made a decision about it (which I highly doubt) it was either Gonzalez or Holder, not Shurtleff.

    At times it saddens me how few people understand the differences in federal and state courts, federal and state laws, federal and state prosecution and so on.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Dec. 3, 2010 1:09 p.m.

    People in our society who suffers from bizarre delusions:

    1. Defense lawyers believing Mitchell did'nt know what he was doing.
    2. Political leaders who mismanage tax money.
    3. Educators who believe standardized tests is good for learning.
    4. Citizens who believe our taxes will not go up a single dime.
    5. Businesses who believe Season Greetings should replace Merry Christmas.

    Are we being infested with bizarre delusions?

  • Timp South Jordan, UT
    Dec. 3, 2010 7:11 a.m.

    that's what happens when they have a psychologist try and play pretend doctor..

    not saying you won't find some "for-hire" psychiatrist out there - but at least then they'll have an actually medical background.

  • Rufio Saratoga, UT
    Dec. 3, 2010 5:18 a.m.

    Delusional - no doubt. But is he not guilty by reason of insanity - no. He does know right from wrong and does not dispute the facts of what happened. All of the rest the good doctor said does not excuse the guilt or remove the need for Mitchell to be locked away.

  • John Pack Lambert of Michigan Ypsilanti, MI
    Dec. 3, 2010 2:35 a.m.

    I disagree with the Doctor. While I do not think that Mr. Mitchell is the Davidic King, I do not see why it is not possible.

  • bulldog Sandy, UT
    Dec. 3, 2010 12:09 a.m.

    I think the Dr. is delusional!

  • wer South Jordan, UT
    Dec. 2, 2010 11:47 p.m.

    Let's see: the "doctor" spent five hours interviewing the rapist. Elizabeth spent nine months being abused by him.

    Who do you think knows Mitchell better???

  • jimbo American Fork, UT
    Dec. 2, 2010 9:44 p.m.

    There is no question that Mitchell is mentally ill. When one takes into account anxiety, depression and bipolar disorders; 20-30 percent of adults are mentally ill. The important point is that he is guilty of serious crimes. The good doctor said that paranoid schizophrenics and those with delusional disorders can "hold jobs, drive cars and take care of personal hygiene". I say they can also go to prison.

  • ProvoLow Provo, UT
    Dec. 2, 2010 9:43 p.m.

    DeMier: "Except for their delusional belief, they're hard to distinguish from everybody else."

    I'm fine with saying Mitchell is delusional. But to claim that this "disorder" (whatever) somehow means he is not responsible for his actions, is just wrong. Lots of otherwise "normal" people have wacky, implausible ideas--delusions. And they must learn to deal with them.

    I really don't care whether Mitchell is forced to take anti-psychotic medications and locked up in a hospital, or locked up in jail as long as he never has the opportunity to walk the streets and introduce his delusional ideas to my daughters.

  • Chachi Charlottesville, VA
    Dec. 2, 2010 8:18 p.m.

    I, for one, think Mitchell might actually be delusional. Fakers don't pull handcarts across California, relinquish modern life to live in a camp in the hills, wear robes and grow out a beard, and in every other manner completely adopt the appearance of a religious fanatic for *years* before the commission of the crime, all for the purpose of constructing an insanity defense just in case he gets caught, so that he can be sent to a mental institution and forcibly medicated rather than incarcerated. Mitchell may have known that what he was doing was wrong when he abused Smart, but I can't imagine that his entire life for decades has been a carefully constructed ruse.

  • MoJules Florissant, MO
    Dec. 2, 2010 7:15 p.m.

    So are Warren Jeff's and Mitchell the same mentally, how does it differ? They are both sick men who use religion to prey on young girls. Nothing more.

  • Kimball Woodruff Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 2, 2010 6:10 p.m.

    Why are these self-proclaimed prophets so often pedofiles?

  • Vince the boonies, mexico
    Dec. 2, 2010 6:07 p.m.

    Mitchell is a "PHONY" as is his defense attorneys, throw them all in prison or physcological cages!

  • SP Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 2, 2010 5:32 p.m.

    Mitchell obviously has something wrong with his mental functions. But he is a very dangerous man who should be isolated and prevented from harming others or negatively influencing other people (like he did with Barzee).

    And it seems unlikely that a mental hospital would be able to do anything with him, with his uncooperative attitude.

    If he ever walks free again he is going to be a danger to society, no matter what they call his mental state.

  • anti-liar Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 2, 2010 5:27 p.m.

    Because the psychiatric "experts" often don't believe much in such things as good and evil, right and wrong, God, or in the notion of morality, but instead see things only in terms of "ill," or "not ill," they fail to sufficiently consider the possibility of lying as a means of concealing a known wrong. This is how Mitchell has been able to so thoroughly and easily bamboozle these "experts," Whitehead and DeMier. And the grandiosity, narcissism, and self-aggrandizement which prompts Mitchell to apply a distorted view of biblical scripture to himself is perhaps similar to that which leads experts like Whitehead and DeMier to dig in their heels, stand by their diagnoses, and discount the possibility of misdiagnosis, despite evidence to the contrary and despite the hazard of a miscarriage of justice. Compounding the problem is the phenomenon of the lie that becomes so big, and so thorough, that the person making the lie becomes deceived by his own lie, despite his own knowledge.

    That is not insanity. It is evil, and it is Mitchell.

  • The Rabbit (in Spanish) Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 2, 2010 5:26 p.m.

    There seem to be several statements this doctor makes which he uses as "rules" to arrive at his conclusion.

    "Nobody believes that it is possible for Brian Mitchell to be the Davidic king," DeMier said.

    If someone did, would that mean he wasn't schizophrenic? Since it wouldn't, then the absence of belief can not mean he IS schizophrenic.

    "Mitchell's delusions are both "grandiose" and "paranoid" and differed from extreme religious beliefs because, typically, those with extreme religious beliefs have some sort of following."

    If Mitchell gained a following would it prove he isn't delusional? Since it wouldn't, the absence of a following does NOT prove he IS delusional.

    "He said that those with delusions are often capable planners and can talk about things outside of their delusions, but are often preoccupied in their thoughts.".. Mitchell is a good planner....

    Wait, so if I can plan and talk about things outside my religious beliefs I am delusional? What exactly is a sane person supposed to do? Become disorganized and do nothing but talk about what he beliefs?

    This is ridiculous... These "Experts" need to interact with more "normal" people and back to reality!

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Dec. 2, 2010 4:35 p.m.

    Adolf Hitler suffered from bizarre delusions also. Like our courts of today, it took the world about eight years to figure that out. Good thing Brian was'nt in the same position of power.

  • AllBlack sydney, nsw
    Dec. 2, 2010 2:34 p.m.

    The more news stories I read the more I'm convinced that Mitchell is 'disturbed' 'mentally off' 'a nutcase''an adulterer' ....and as guilty as sin.

    His lawyers offer weird detail after weird detail but nothing shows that Mitchell didn't a) know what he was doing was wrong b)commit a crime.

    Hopefully they wont draw this out any longer than it needs to so Smart can get on with her life.

  • first2third Elmo, UT
    Dec. 2, 2010 2:25 p.m.

    the charges are kidnapping and agrivated sexual abuse (rape).

  • Spitvalve Denton, TX
    Dec. 2, 2010 1:46 p.m.

    I don't care if they legally prove he's a total nutburger. That doesn't make him any less guilty.

    When a bear goes crazy in Yellowstone park, they don't have a trial to determine if the bear is competent--they just shoot it to protect people. Mitchell is an animal--crazy or not.

    And why is he not also on trial for rape? They used to hang people for that.

  • Rifleman Salt Lake City, Utah
    Dec. 2, 2010 1:32 p.m.

    I have a "bizarre delusion" that this trial will end and the jury will convict Mr. Mitchell.

    50 years in a federal prison cell should go a long way in helping Mr. Mitchell get in touch with his inner self.

  • baseballmamma Alpine, UT
    Dec. 2, 2010 1:31 p.m.

    so i guess if you want to be a pervert and do whatever you want all you have to do is act strangely and freak your mentally ill wife out so you can get away with it. i hope these jurors are smarter than the doctors who mitchell saw are.

  • PAC Phoenix, AZ
    Dec. 2, 2010 1:29 p.m.

    Just put the guy away and toss out the key...Thank you.

  • Captain Picard Houston, TX
    Dec. 2, 2010 12:17 p.m.

    IMO the real reason for Dr.Whitehead's behavior is that the defense needs to try to discredit the testimony of the main witnesses, Elizabeth Smart & Dr. Welner. If they can get Elizabeth Smart so emotionally upset so she is unable testify, they take out the person that spent nine months with Mitchell, who knows more about what he is, how he manipulates and controls. IMO it will backfire, Dr. Whitehead's crass behavior and how it effected Elizabeth Smart was viewed by the jury, which IMO irritated if not angered the jury members, and a smart legal defense team knows that a jury angry at a defense expert will not be favorable to defense attorney or their client,in the end the jury holds the power of guilt or not guilty on basis of insanity. Anymore defense experts like Whitehead and it's a slam dunk for the prosecution IMO.

  • ST Layton, UT
    Dec. 2, 2010 11:43 a.m.

    Whitehead is just a pointy headed "intellectual" who thinks he is smarter than the rest of the world.

  • Utah Girl Vernal, UT
    Dec. 2, 2010 11:26 a.m.

    I think Elizabeth and her family have shown remarkable poise and self-control during this public display of her kidnap and torture. She has had to bare her soul about the most intimate details of her life, which were forced upon her against her will. I'm actually surprised she hasn't walked out sooner, and that they have all resisted the urge to strangle the life out of this maniac! They are a strong family, strong individuals, and their faith in God is what is getting them through the latest chapter in this horror story. PLEASE, don't ANYONE EVER make a movie about this!!! We've seen the movie and the reruns for 8 years now!

    I am so glad Judge Kimball is the man in charge. I trust his judgement and decisions. I hope the jury will also use their best judgement and recognize that while Mitchell is surely mentally ill, because well people don't do what he's done, but he knew it was LEGALLY wrong and took measures to avoid detection. His plans were elaborate.

    God bless you, Elizabeth and family.

  • BigRich Orem, UT
    Dec. 2, 2010 11:14 a.m.

    Whitehead testified that Mitchell was not manipulative. I think Whitehead just became another victim.

    While the process is slow and frustrating, it's important that we follow the laws that guarantee due process.

  • washcomom Beaverton, OR
    Dec. 2, 2010 10:32 a.m.

    Hang in there, Elizabeth! It's almost over. Jury deliberations should be swift and this latest grievance will pass.

    Now that the defense has concluded that Mitchell is delusional and is whack-a-doodle as we all know, he has put up a great show of his weirdness. What was the point? To show he was insane? Nah, just to show that he had definite motives in snuffing out the life of Elizabeth as she knew it. I think the defense just cemented his guiltiness by showing he was sane.

  • CARL South Salt Lake, UT
    Dec. 2, 2010 10:25 a.m.

    This manipulative cuckoo should be put away for the rest of his life. Eliz Smart did the right thing when she walked away because she did not want to relive bad moments that she had with Brian David Mitchell after he took her from a loving home.

  • Rosebyanyothername Home Town USA, UT
    Dec. 2, 2010 10:23 a.m.

    Dr Whitehead states that Mitchell has a Delusional disorder. I don't think it is Mitchell who suffers from that diagnosis. Whitehead is going by the journals of Barzee's. How credible are those and delusional is that?

    It is time this whole trial was done. Long overdue. Enough is enough.

  • Edmond Dantes West Jordan, Utah
    Dec. 2, 2010 9:42 a.m.

    Let's just hope a swift decision is made so we don't have to see this guy's face all over Utah news anymore. Put him away and leave the Smarts alone.

  • anonymous.111 Farmington, UT
    Dec. 2, 2010 9:25 a.m.

    I agree with Rifleman. Mitchell is most definitely weird and a pervert, but I personally don't believe him to be "insane". He knew what he was doing, knew it was wrong, but obviously didn't care. That may make him crazy, but he's not stupid, nor insane. The only witness the jury really need listen to and remember is Elizabeth herself. What a wonderful young woman.

  • Rifleman Salt Lake City, Utah
    Dec. 2, 2010 9:09 a.m.

    So when are we going to hear testimony from any witness that would suggest Mitchell is insane? So far his witnesses have just confirmed that he is a pervert.

  • bucko Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 2, 2010 8:19 a.m.

    This is all a MOCKERY of JUSTICE. Everybody knows Mitchell knew exactly what he was doing and he is a menace to society. We are tired of hearing about this legal nonsense - image how of tired of all this the Smarts are, and yet how much more does Elizabeth and her family have to go thru? How many more years of this? Too many govt and legal clowns have caused this gross waste of public money because they love rules and written word and winning more than protecting the innocent and serving justice. They should pay for all this expense and suffering of the uselss prolonged suffering of the innocent. To the innocent... hang on to the thought that it will all be made up to you at sometime.