Mike Sorensen: Utah faces an uncertain future in Pac-12

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  • wardu Fallon, NV
    Dec. 2, 2010 9:26 p.m.

    It will be interesting to see who shows up on the boards next year if Utah implodes in the Pac-something, it will be fun to read the spin and excuses for why they are so sorry. I can't wait!

    Meanwhile BYU goes in to SEC country and beats another BCS opponent, then beats Texas(BCS win 2),(they won't be much better next year) then beat everyone else they play, including the Utes(BCS win 3) in Sept. Next year will be so much fun.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Dec. 1, 2010 2:49 p.m.

    The thing I love best about college football is every 4/5 years you have completely new teams. Some programs have created legacies that enable them to recruit at a high level. But even in that case as we have seen with Florida and USC, they too go through cycles, or coaching changes. This years best teams could be struggling in 5 years from now.

    What Utah and BYU did this year will mean little to nothing in 2 years from now. Their recruiting will have changed completely. Utah will be playing on a stage that includes one of the biggest TV markets in the country -and while most will not be Utah fans, most Pac 10 fans will care how the Utes do.

    BYU has been promised a national stage each and every week, just like Notre Dame. But just as most of the nation doesn't tune in to Notre Dame games, most of the nation will equally care less about BYU football. BYU has two years to prove they are worth watching or else they will be shoved to Friday nights like Rutgers and other second tier teams.

    It should be an interesting ride.

  • XelaDave Salem, UT
    Dec. 1, 2010 1:46 p.m.

    Many seem to peg Utah success on future recruiting- big problem there- lets make you an 18 year old kid- here are your options- really really nice facilities in a warm place on the coast or in Az. or even Pacific NW (no snow in most places) and no weird religious stuff (per the 18 year old mind) or Utah with facilities out done by several Texas HS and cold and snow a large portion of the academic year- you pick- I wonder what the average 4 star recruit will take?- yeah you may still land the 2 and 3 star types but that does not cut it no matter how hard they play- just ask BYU- talent in the end does matter- all the passion in the world is nice but just makes you bowl elligible most of the time

  • Rock Chalk BYU Lawrence, KS
    Nov. 30, 2010 6:16 p.m.

    @ afro14

    Way to aim for the stars. The "C" in "BCS" stands for Championship (it does a poor job, yes, but that's the crummy system we have today). Have you noticed that nearly all of the time on the weekly ESPN BCS is centered around the debate of who is playing in the championship game? But you, you want to debate the access a 1-loss team has to the lesser BCS bowls. Those games are nothing more than a big fat paycheck for the team---hush money more like it. As a fan, you don't get to see any of it, you just get robbed of a true playoff, so why are you so happy? Your team had as good a resume as 2008 Florida, but we'll never know...

    My employer, KU, won the Orange Bowl in 2008. I didn't see a penny. They put up a sign on I-70 for one year, then took it down, **because it was just one game**. Three months later, KU took the b-ball tournament. That's the real deal. That sign (pointing out all 5 championships) is never coming down.

  • Mid-Major Cougars San Diego, CA
    Nov. 30, 2010 3:59 p.m.

    Kyle's record:
    overall: 58-19
    BCS: 1-0
    bowl: 5-0
    "quest": 1
    famous t-shirts: 0

    Bronco's record:
    overall: 55-21
    BCS: 0-0
    bowl: 3-2
    "quest": 0
    famous t-shirts: 2 --Quest for Perfection; Band of Little Brothers

  • afro14 Sandy, UT
    Nov. 30, 2010 11:28 a.m.

    @ bigdaddyak

    at USC
    at Oregon State
    at Arizona

    not to mention
    at Pitt

    Yep. Cupcake Schedule. You nailed it.

  • afro14 Sandy, UT
    Nov. 30, 2010 11:22 a.m.

    @Rock Chalk BYU

    Yep, Notre Dame went to BCS games in 2006 and 2007, and they went with a 9-2 and a 10-3 record, respectively, and got killed in both games. The result of having lots of money, a good deal with the BCS, and a very flawed post season system.

    BYU doesn't have the same tradition as Notre Dame, nor do they have the same connections with the BCS, therefore, nothing less than a perfect record will do. It'll be very tough to come by, especially since the weakness of a mostly WAC team schedule forces the Y to schedule very good teams in order to compensate.

    Best of luck.

  • Uteology Fort Worth, Texas
    Nov. 30, 2010 11:17 a.m.

    Bottom line...

    BYU still hasn't figured out how to score 17 points against teams with 4 or more wins on the road.

    Utah lost its mojo in 4 of the last 5 games yet still manged to go 3-2.

    "I was a Sun Devil fan growing up, then they got too big for the WAC and jumped to the PAC about the same time BYU got Lavell Edwards"

    So are you now going to root for Boise or Nevada since BYU is too big for the MWC and jumping to Indy?

    Sorry but a true fan doesn't jump from winning team to winning team.

    I'm a Ute and Sun Devil alum, but a Ute for life regardless of which conference they play in.

  • Rock Chalk BYU Lawrence, KS
    Nov. 30, 2010 7:27 a.m.

    @UU32 "It will not be an easy road in the PAC-12 for sure. Tough teams week in and week out. Tough venues and high expectations. But isn't that what we wanted?"

    Well put. I love this comment from you. There are a lot of dreamers on this board that think they can predict a future demise or mediocrity for your team. No one can predict the future. But in the end, MWC, been there, done that. U asked for more, and U got it. You can't ask for anything more than an opportunity to prove yourself.

  • SoCalUtahFan Utesville, CA
    Nov. 30, 2010 6:48 a.m.

    This article's purpose is to soothe the wounded Cougar fans after a bitter battle and loss to Utah 17-16.

    Why would anyone want to talk about next year while in November--with the incoming class is still incomplete--especially to bring out the negatives of a 10-2 team?

  • wwookie Payson, UT
    Nov. 30, 2010 4:31 a.m.

    Funny how these byu fans just can't get over themselves. Despite all their predictions of Utahs doom and gloom in this game, the Utes came out on top.

    Sorry cougs, in general you lack class.

    Utes, great game and good luck in the PAC. 6th in the PAC is where the expectations lie, but I believe you will still be better than UCLA, Oregon State and Arizona (and of course ASU, UW, WSU, UC and Cal). That would put you at 4th. The other 3 schools will probably dominate, but USC definitely has MORE uncertainty about their future than the Utes, so that could move you up to 3rd. And who knows if any key players from the Ducks or the Cardinal leave early for the NFL.

    Either way, next season will be exciting.

  • Uteology Fort Worth, Texas
    Nov. 30, 2010 12:36 a.m.

    @anti BCS

    Utah lost by 40 at home to a team that is most likely to finish #2.

    The 2009 #7 BYU team lost at home by 26 points to FSU (54-28). The same FSU team that finished 7-6.

    The FSU team was 6-6 in the regular season only because they barley beat a Division 2 team Jacksonville State 19-9.

    The Ute team that lost 0-27 was mediocre at best, after that loss Utah is 41-6.

    Utah State 31 BYU 16... BYU is 5-2 after that loss.

    So whats more embarrassing? Who cares. My original point was that if the 2010 Ute team is overrate as BYU fans claim then I would like to know what you guys think about BYUs 2008 team?

    I can live with losing to cupcakes once in a while as long as we rebuild for top 25 rankings and don't become a cupcake our self.

    Kyle leaves the conference accomplishing Bronco's "Perfection" quest.

  • Uteology Fort Worth, Texas
    Nov. 29, 2010 11:42 p.m.


    I just hope we are as good as BYU playing in Vegas: 3-2.

    Being 4-6th place in the PAC-12 is better then being 5th place MWC team (see 2010 BYU team for details).

    Will Utah struggle? Yes. We have problems that need fixing as mentioned in the article.

    Are we a 6th place team in the PAC-12?
    No idea, it depends on the talent coming in and improvements made by the coaching staff.

    For example, how many thought after losing in the national scam called the BCS title game last year that Texas would finish 5-7 this year?

  • anti BCS Anaheim, CA
    Nov. 29, 2010 11:40 p.m.


    When was the last time BYU was shutout 0-27 by a two win team?

    When was the last time a ranked BYU team lost a home game by 40 points?

    For all your talk about embarrassing losses, NOTHING in BYU's history comes close those two stinkers Utah had in the last 5 years.

    Bronco leaves the MWC having NEVER lost to Colorado State, Wyoming, New Mexico, or UNLV.

    Kyle leaves the MWC having lost to EVERY team in the MWC.

    Utah, a "Top 5" just a month ago, just barely beat a 6-5 team that was 2-5 earlier in the season. A 9-2, Top 25 team with an experienced QB, playing at home against a 6-5 team with a true freshman starting QB, and it took several lucky bounces -- a tipped pass that should have been offensive pass interference, a shanked punt that took a lucky bounce into the back of a blocker, and a blown call on a fumble when the runner was clearly down -- to pull off a 1-point win in a game they trailed from early 1st quarter until very late 4th quarter.

    Utah was more lucky than good.

  • Uteology Fort Worth, Texas
    Nov. 29, 2010 11:18 p.m.

    yarrlydarb | 11:16 a.m. Nov. 29, 2010
    "As Saturday's game proved, the Cougars were every bit as good as the Utes and truly ended up the better team overall."



    How many teams did you win that had 6 or more wins?

    BYU: SDSU*
    Utah: @AFA, @SDSU, Pitt, BYU

    4 to 1 and not a single win on the road for BYU.

    BYU lit up the scoreboard against 3 of the 4 last cupcakes they played but again struggled to score against a team with a winning record.

    All year long you haven't scored more then 16 points on the road except for @CSU (3-9).

    If Utah is overrated then what does this mean about the 2008 "Perfection" Quest?

    #16 10-2 BYU 21
    7-5 Arizona 31

    BTW unlike that team at least Utah destroyed all its cupcakes.

    BYU 28
    0-12 @Washington 27

    Didn't you only win that game on a bad call?

  • UU32 Bountiful, UT
    Nov. 29, 2010 10:26 p.m.

    It will not be an easy road in the PAC-12 for sure. Tough teams week in and week out. Tough venues and high expectations. But isn't that what we wanted? It may take a few years to get the depth required to operate at a high level, but Coach Whit is up to the task. We also may have to spend the money to upgrade the offensive coaching staff. Would love to see A-Rod stick around as a position coach, but he could use a few more years of seasoning on the play calling front (Maybe he could learn from Norm Chow?). I say bring on the PAC-12 the football team is ready for it. Now basketball, that is one that needs an overhaul.

  • swaps Las Animas, CO
    Nov. 29, 2010 10:17 p.m.

    Utah may have to bring in a junior college transfer to compete for the quarterback job, And the weakness at safety was first exploited by TCU, then Notre Dame. San Diego State is an imporving team, so the Ute's win there was a quality win.

    While everyone is saying one-loss Boise State is a fake, I think Boise State and Nevada are both top tier teams this year and I wish either one had played Alabama or Florida this year. But Bama needs to schedule a Divison 3 team for a much needed breather. Tennessee scheduled Wyoming for that reason and got beat by the cowboys on their home field.

    Everything rises and falls year to year. i. e. Florida.

    Utah has a winning record against the pac-10 now in recent years so it should at least be a mid-level team, even next year If the QB and safety weaknesses can be worked on.

    But maybe TCU looks smarter for bolting the MWC for the Big East, where it can beat up those teams for a few years and then people will realize the MWC of the pst few years was a very good conference.

  • bigdaddyak Anchorage, AK
    Nov. 29, 2010 6:45 p.m.

    @y be good when U CAN BE a YEWT!

    Looking at developing trends BYU is on an upswing and the Pew is going in the opposite direction. Factor in the Pews .500 record vs the Pac 10 during Kwhitt's tenure and it's a recipe for disappearing into mediocrity next season. Your one saving grace is they gave you a cupcake schedule again, no Oregon or Stanford.

    Next season you can look forward to an inconsistent QB who falls apart in big games (and got worse as the season wore on), an O-line that can't run block, a smallish defense with no team speed, and a rushing attack bereft of Pac 10 caliber running backs.

    Meanwhile BYU has almost their entire team returning, put a ton of freshman on the field this year and watched them gel and put it altogether on the field getting better week after week. They also have better team speed on defense than the Yewts.

    Next season will be a fun one in more than one way.

    It doesn't instill a lot of confidence.

  • bigdaddyak Anchorage, AK
    Nov. 29, 2010 6:26 p.m.

    Mike Sorenson said, "But after that, the Utes will need to make a few serious upgrades to compete well in the Pac-12 and have any chance to make it 11 straight bowl wins next year."

    That's kind of funny, the Yewts have to upgrade just to get back to the Poinsettia Bowl or the LVB. The problems this year is they were too small and slow on defense in their back 7. Up front they were big enough but still slow.

    Scott would be a nice addition at WR along with Christopher who has turned into a very good one. The big concern is the QB. Wynn has been very inconsistent. That's okay in the MWC but will be a recipe for disaster in the Pac 10.

    Also, RB is a concern. I like little Vakapuna but he's raw and inexperienced. Same with Sean Asiata and anyone else on the depth chart.

    Fortunately for the Yewts they don't have to play Oregon or Stanford next year. Another lucky break.

  • cougar76 Provo, UT
    Nov. 29, 2010 6:21 p.m.

    The only thing certain about Utah's football future is that they will be playing for the LV bowl or nothing every year.

  • UtahManDan Providence, UT
    Nov. 29, 2010 4:53 p.m.

    BYU fans used to argue that the MWC was every bit as strong as AQ conferences like the PAC10. What has changed, besides their arch rival getting their golden ticket punched?

  • bookonwomen Beverly Hills, CA
    Nov. 29, 2010 4:47 p.m.

    Just because Utah barely beat SDSU, AF, and BYU doesn't mean there goung to killed in the pac 12. Auburn, Oregon, TCU and many other top ten teams have had close games but pulled out the victory.

  • govt rocks Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 29, 2010 4:12 p.m.

    This article is about how Utah will do next year in the PAC-12. It has nothing to do with BYU, sportsmanship, Max Hall etc. Sportsmanship is getting ridiculous and like most things in life, there seems to be a shrinking middle ground and there are those that are way too sensitive about upsetting someone and those that are way too over the top about celebrating a victory. I prefer the raw emotion of college sports, whether it is over zealous celebrating at the end, stinging comments about a rival, or some pushing and shoving before, during and after a game. it is all great.

  • Big_Ben Centerville, UT
    Nov. 29, 2010 3:43 p.m.


    lol, i am glad you know me so well.

    1) frankly, I dont care about Max Hall's comments. It has never once bothered me. What bothered me is that he took the attention away from his teammate who really made the big play.

    2) Austin Collie, eh, who cares?

    3) you need to watch the video. I wouldn't bring it up, but Jan Jorgenson has repeatedly said on his radio show that Max deliberately found sylvester and shoved him. The two have some history from previous games. But yes, max deliberately did that, and it is no different from what martinez did. Both were wrong. But, your own guy, Jan, disagrees with your assessment. Sorry!

  • Pavalova Surfers Paradise, AU
    Nov. 29, 2010 3:07 p.m.

    @ Big Ben,

    There's a difference in running into the endzone chasing down the player that just scored, compared to running up to the kicker who just missed and getting in his grill 3 seperate times.

    Hall may have pushed Sylvester on his way to the EZ to meet up with George, but he didn't seek out Sylvester and yell in his face.

    Not sure if you realize there is a difference between those actions...then again being a U fan, you tend to blow things out of proportion when they're against you, (Hall and Collie's comments) and minimize them when it's not to your advantage.

  • Wally West SLC, UT
    Nov. 29, 2010 3:05 p.m.

    Isn't it funny that USC is inelgible & the PAC hasa shortage of qualifying teams?

    Whit will be able to outcoach Neuheisel, whoever will be @ CU & Az St.

    Worst case scenario; its a lateral move. Utah IMO will be fine next yr & in seasons to come.

    I look fwd to their crushing Oregon St or the mutts from Seattle and their overrated coach & QB in the Vegas Bowl.

  • Independent Henderson, NV
    Nov. 29, 2010 2:49 p.m.

    "However, the Utes won't have any UNLVs, New Mexicos or Colorado States to pile on in the Pac-12."

    Ahem. Washington State?

  • Big_Ben Centerville, UT
    Nov. 29, 2010 2:18 p.m.

    @Kyle Loves BYU,

    wow, I haven't posted in a long time here!

    Anyway, what the poster is referring to is Max Hall running up and shoving Stevenson Sylvester in the back last year after the Andrew George run, he isn't referring to Max's comments.

    If you call out Martinez, you ought to call out Hall too. Gotta be fair.

  • Chris B's momma Idaho Falls, ID
    Nov. 29, 2010 2:08 p.m.

    Nothing uncertain about your future..you fit in right below Washington State and right above Colorado. But look at the beright side...you were the booby prize and so you won't get any money!

  • T-Mac Meridian, ID
    Nov. 29, 2010 2:02 p.m.

    yarlydarb, Funny how Y fans continually talk about BYU is the better team. Cougars lost the total yardage and turnover battle not to mention the final score. As for the full season, BYUs SOS was 52, Utah's 67... not much difference there. When comparing common opponents, BYU lost to AF at home while Utah beat AF on the road. When you consider that BYU lost the head-to-head game to the Utes and also lost to Utah State, you're really making a huge leap to say BYU is the better team this year

  • Truth Machine Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 29, 2010 1:52 p.m.

    re: Cottonwood Lows

    Fiction: They can still make it to a championship game (BYU wouldn't know what that is)

    Fact: BYU played in a couple of WAC championship games, but more importantly, the Cougars won the ultimate championship, the National Championship; BYU proved that it doesn't matter what bowl you play in, the most important thing is finishing #1 in the polls

    Fiction: then to the Rose Bowl...

    Fact: get there first, then U can crow about it; until then, the U is nothing but the next Arizona - 30 years in the PAC and still looking for it's first Rose Bowl

    Fiction: There is no reason Utah can't win the South

    Fact: Actually, there's one very glaring reason; the Utes aren't capable of beating good PAC teams on the road

    The 10-2 Utes are still more worried about BYU than they are the PAC 12.

    Guaranteed, Utah fans will be far more focused on BYU next year, than on any team in the PAC 12. There won't be a day go by that Utah fans won't make some reference to BYU.

  • Pavalova Surfers Paradise, AU
    Nov. 29, 2010 1:50 p.m.

    This 6-6 team had you beat in your stadium. You lose a lot of offensive weapons next year so perhaps the worrying should come from RES. U won't be last in the P10, that belongs to Colorado and/or WSU. The U is probably a 4-6th place team and will be an annual invitee to the Vegas bowl on the years that U are bowl eligible.

  • SoCalUte Trabuco Canyon, CA
    Nov. 29, 2010 1:38 p.m.

    @ All of you Yners You and and the author of this article know next to nothing about football or sports for that matter.
    Utah's defense didn't all of the sudden become bad. The biggest concern is that it is in their head. They lost confidence in the TCU game. (Which they weren't mentally prepared for in the first place.) They will be great again next year. The Utes do have a problem at QB with 'Happy Feet' Wynn. Hopefully someone can beat him out of the starting position next year.
    As far as the Yner cewgs go, You guys barely had winning record this year. You're going 'Independent' next year, and will LOSE each of your first three games of the season. All you can do is predict bad results for the Utes. MMM sounds like 'Loserville' to me. The good news is... Remember 1984?!? Wahoo!
    Go Utes!!

  • Laser Iowa City, IA
    Nov. 29, 2010 1:36 p.m.

    After dismal performances this year and a "lucky to win" game last Saturday, recruits won't be to encouraged to look at Utah. The Utes really needed to make a statement and get steam to end this year. They've really ended on a sour note. Nobody was really impressed with their win over BYU, they are being considered lucky, not good.

  • y be good when U CAN BE GREAT! Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Nov. 29, 2010 1:22 p.m.

    Utah will be just fine, no one expects them to go undefeated like they did in '08, but they don't have to. They can still make it to a championship game (tds wouldnt know what that is) and then to the Rose Bowl (tds wouldnt know what that is either) if they pull off the win. There is no reason Utah can't win the South, that ND team beat USC too. Utah did enough to beat AFA, did enough to beat SDSU and did enough to beat tds; they will do it next year! That is what good teams do!

    For all the tds fans making comments you need to worry more about not starting 1-5 again next year. Stop worrying about a 10-2 Utes and concentrate on your 6-6 team.

  • Swoop Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 29, 2010 1:08 p.m.

    Utah will be just like Arizona in the PAC; many seasons of mediocrity sprinkled with occassional break-through years when the Utes will finish in the top third of the conference and might even finish in the Top 25.

  • Rock Chalk BYU Lawrence, KS
    Nov. 29, 2010 1:07 p.m.

    @afro14, ND went to BCS bowl games in 2006 and 2007, pay attention. Maybe you have only been a football fan since 2004. Also, if today's rules were in place in 1996, BYU (13-1, #5) would have gone BCS. Perfection is not required, only a rank of #16 and better than an AQ champ (like Big East).

    Hey everyone, let's get one thing straight right here and now: the BCS games are for those that the BCS is **compelled** to take (i.e., the 6 AQ champions, #3 in the BCS standings, etc), and the rest of the BCS slots are for OU, OSU, Michigan, USC, Texas, ND, Nebraska, Alabama, LSU, Florida...

    If Utah isn't the Pac-12 champion, and isn't #3 in the rankings, don't expect an invite. Kstate was #3 in 1997 and wasn't invited (which caused the #3 rule to be created). Tulane was an undefeated nonAQ in 1998 and wasn't invited. Do you think the BCS loves Utah more than Kstate? BCS robbed U of the chance of seeing how good your school really was in 2004/2008, they don't deserve any love fromU.

  • JJ Morales Earlimart, CA
    Nov. 29, 2010 1:04 p.m.

    I don't see the yewts winning the Pac-12 championship anytime soon. They simply don't have the athletes to win the conference and they were exposed by a bunch of BYU underclassmen Saturday.

  • Henry Drummond San Jose, CA
    Nov. 29, 2010 1:03 p.m.

    1. Utah is not as good as people thought, but then again neither is the PAC-10.

    2. Given the choice between winning every game over cream puff competition as Boise State has done and losing some games on the way to becoming better, I'll take the latter.

    3. The rivalry between BYU and Utah will be different now that we are going our separate ways. Hopefully one part of that difference is for both sides to drop all the "little brother" barbs and classless taunts and wish the other school success. In that spirit:

    Here's To You Cousins. I wish the Cougars all the best in your new adventure!

    A Ute Fan

  • SportzFan Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 29, 2010 12:58 p.m.

    I think the Utes will win 9 games next year -- maybe more:

    Montana State
    Arizona State*
    at Pittsburgh
    at California*
    Oregon State*
    at Washington State*

  • RickD Little Elm, TX
    Nov. 29, 2010 12:40 p.m.

    I think Utah will do fine. The bottom of the PAC12 is better than the MWC, but to top is not as tough. Utah would face Boise and TCU every year (well, not now), so Oregon is not that big a deal.

    I'm a BYU fan, but think Utah will be a real force in the PAC12 South.

  • govt rocks Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 29, 2010 11:57 a.m.

    I seem to remember Wynn doing just fine against Cal last year. I also seem to remember Cain holding his own at Oregon last year. I think Utah will be just fine.

    Wynn's biggst problem is mental: he has been dinged up a lot in his career and he does not like to get hit. He needs to put on 10 pounds of muscle this year and take some good pops. He will be just fine.

    The only difference between the top teams from a conference like the MWC and the top teams from the PAC is depth. When injuries happen, the USC's, Oregons, Stanfords, and Cals of the world have a lot of talent to fill the loss. Teams like Utah, BSU, TCU and BYU do not have the same level of depth. That will take 4-5 years of solid recruiting to address. Those years the Utah avoids key injuries, they will do well. Those years that they have lots of injuries, not so well.

  • afro14 Sandy, UT
    Nov. 29, 2010 11:50 a.m.

    What's better, playing in a power conference with a chance to go to a BCS bowl even with an imperfect record, or being independent, playing weak teams, and becoming like Notre Dame, who hasn't been to a BCS bowl in how long?

    It truly shows who is the big brother and who is the little brother.

    GO UTES!!!

  • That's A Good One Meridian, ID
    Nov. 29, 2010 11:47 a.m.

    I wouldn't be too quick to declare them the winner of this year's Vegas Bowl. If Boise State should wind up there after their debacle last Friday they'd eat Utah for lunch - and it wouldn't even be a close contest - more like another TCU and Notre Dame combined.

  • dalep2u Herriman, UT
    Nov. 29, 2010 11:45 a.m.

    Neximus....I have to whole heartedly agree with you.

    Wynn passed up multiple opportunities Saturday to gain yardage and 1st downs. He AGAIN slid 3-4 yard short of what he could have gained had he been agressive!!!! You sure don't see Michigan's quarterback being afraid to take a hit!!!

    As a Utah fan...I hate to say it, but the UTE's are in for a big hurt next year.

    That said...our LV bowl is still better than BYU's!!! LOL!!!

  • Kyle loves BYU/Jazz Provo, UT
    Nov. 29, 2010 11:22 a.m.

    I thought what Max Hall said was pretty classless and I'm glad he apologized. That being said I don't blame him for saying what he thought. Max Hall really hates the Utes and if thats how he feels I don't have a problem with him saying it. I wish he didn't hate the Utes, but if he does then he does.

    My best friend is my brother and he graduated from the U and he is a pretty big fan. It's hard for us to get along when rivalry games come around because I'm a pretty passionate BYU fan. We were both disgusted by Martinez' behavior after the game.

    I just can't get over how poorly people treat each other over the stupidest things. If Martinez apologizes that would be commendable, but I just wish people could learn to treat each other with respect. When I see a Ute player act like that after a win I just think he has a total lack of respect for sportsmanship and for his opponent.

    For me the rivalry isn't fun because too many people can't act with dignity and its sad.

  • yarrlydarb Ogden, UT
    Nov. 29, 2010 11:16 a.m.

    To T-Mac:

    You say that you are surprised at Utah's pass defense that struggled in the last half of the season.

    The fact is, they were obviously overrated for their first eight games, and still are despite their final BCS ranking at #20.

    Had Utah played BYU's schedule, they would never have been in the top five and they would have ended up -- maybe, but just maybe -- a 7-5 team in the regular season.

    As Saturday's game proved, the Cougars were every bit as good as the Utes and truly ended up the better team overall.

    It will be a hard row for the Utes to hoe in the PAC-12, just as hard it has been most of the time for Arizona and Arizona State from the time they joined the PAC-8 and made it the PAC-10 many years ago.

  • AZ Dave Chandler, AZ
    Nov. 29, 2010 11:10 a.m.

    Put down the Kool-aid. TCU is Not one of the best teams in the nation. Along with BSU, what quality wins, Utah, Oregon State????????. Utah will be an average PAC-12 team next year and the years after that

  • utahcountyute Cedar Hills, UT
    Nov. 29, 2010 11:00 a.m.


    I think he was referring to this year? The Pac 10 does not have enough teams that are bowl eligible so the LV bowl is struggling to find a team for Utah to play THIS year.

    Will not be easy but with increased "intensity" on the recruiting side, they can compete. I think the Harvey Langi kid would be a great move. Play it as he can come in and be the man from the get go.... Could happen.

    Whatever, it will be a work in progress in mind anyway.

    Go Utes!

  • T-Mac Meridian, ID
    Nov. 29, 2010 10:54 a.m.

    I was surprised that Utah's pass defense and running game struggled in the back half of the year. We definately need work there. However, the biggest areas for convern are QB and OC.

    Kyle, just want to know if you were calling for a reprimand of Max Hall after last year's game? Didn't think so.

  • Hellooo Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 29, 2010 10:53 a.m.

    The U does need to improve. But then to have been competitive in the new MWC, they would have had to improve. The PAC-12 if you notice has its own share of below average teams. Maybe slightly better than New Mexico, and LV, but not much. The U played similarly talented teams in Notre Dame, SDSU and BYU and they won two out of three of those contests. They will do just as much next year in the PAC. Winning 2 out of 3 may not keep the stands filled, but it certainly keeps them bowl eligible.

  • Niximus Tooele, UT
    Nov. 29, 2010 10:42 a.m.

    Why do you run a spread with a quarterback who never runs? Doesn't that seem predictable? At least with BJohns and Alex Smith you knew they had a chance of breaking one big, but you know for a fact that Wynn will never run.

  • Utah Man Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 29, 2010 10:37 a.m.

    I could not agree more with you Mike. Kyle has some real problems and issues to deal with up here. We do not have a quarterback, a running back, and our offensive line is poor at best. On the defensive end, our linbebackers are garbage, we have no pass rush, and Burton is our only real defensive player. Kyle has a lot of work to do.

  • yarrlydarb Ogden, UT
    Nov. 29, 2010 9:46 a.m.

    One of the best things for the Utes' move to the PAC-12 is the fact that they will no longer be overrated!

    Their overrating this year just about did them in.

    In their last five games, we really saw the type of team they truly were.

    I wish them luck; it will be tough.

  • Razzle2 Bluffdale, UT
    Nov. 29, 2010 9:32 a.m.

    Toledo or Temple or whomever the Las Vegas Bowl is able to scrounge up? Wow, I sense some jealousy. If Utah finishes 5th in the Pac 12 they still go to the Vegas Bowl. Nothing but green lights ahead for the taking.

  • pocyUte Pocatello, ID
    Nov. 29, 2010 9:26 a.m.


    I'm sure Whit will do the same thing that Bronco did to Max when he shouldered sly from behind and yelled at him after the game last year. Nothing. Both were bush league, but, I'm sure nothing will come of it.

  • hedgehog Ann Arbor, MI
    Nov. 29, 2010 9:15 a.m.

    I have a feeling Brandon Burton will leave for the NFL...if so, Ute is in for a world of hurt and the safety position next.

  • Kyle loves BYU/Jazz Provo, UT
    Nov. 29, 2010 9:04 a.m.

    Mike thanks for a very honest and in depth analysis of the Utes and their chances next year. I too wonder about Wynn's health. He did not look like the same player from last years bowl game.

    Mike would you please report also what the Utes have done to discipline #52 Martinez for his actions after the game ended Saturday. I was disgusted by what I saw from him after the game. I recognize I'm a BYU fan but I'm also a Utahn and I found his behavior simply unacceptable from any player representing our state. Incredibly poor sportsmanship.

    I mean who goes after the opposing teams kicker instead of celebrating with his own teammates after his team makes a big block to win the game?

  • flintrock Rigby, Id
    Nov. 29, 2010 9:03 a.m.

    Keith McGill is a good junior college transfer who should do well replacing Taplin-Ross. If Blechen moves to linebacker Greg Bird has played well behind him and has created a turnover in the three games he has played a lot in. He blocked the punt at San Diego
    and recovered the ball that bounced off the byu player.

  • Marky Mesa, AZ
    Nov. 29, 2010 8:43 a.m.

    There is no uncertainty regarding the Utes future in the Pac-12. They will be a bottom feeder. I hope they enjoy their trip to the Las Vegas bowl this year. In the future, they will most likely not be bowl eligible and, even if they are, it will be the Las Vegas bowl again. And again. And again.


  • pocyUte Pocatello, ID
    Nov. 29, 2010 8:39 a.m.

    I'm pumped for next year. It will be a test, but I think it will help very much for them to be in a dogfight week in and week out. Look what happened Boise St. when they had to finally play a game in the 4th quarter. Utah will do fine in the Pac 12. The coaching staff is excellent, there is good talent in the pipeline and more coming in because Utah is now a Pac-12 team. Only good things in store.

  • Andermart Orem, UT
    Nov. 29, 2010 8:24 a.m.

    I am really excited for the Utes in the Pac-12. Good luck there. You guys have got to step up and be the man. But what I really look forward to is an early season meeting with an improving and independent BYU team. Out of Conference games will not be any easier on the Utes than there new conference games.

  • Bugoff Houston, TX
    Nov. 29, 2010 8:08 a.m.

    Finally a realistic assessment of the Utes in PAC 12 land.

    However, the Utes have been able to recruit in the past and should fix some of the weakness.

    There is no reason to think the Utes are any better than last year but they do have a better record. They will have a decent foundation to build from.

    I expect them to be a middle PAC team, especially with USC and UCLA down as bad as they are. The South PAC 12 is weak next year and Utah could win the South with some luck and a few key recruits.

    I am not a Utah fan and do not wish them luck but they are capable of being a pretty good team at times.

  • JWunderli Henderson, NV
    Nov. 29, 2010 6:45 a.m.

    The utes also need at least one more cornerback who can cover worth a darn - Conroy Black can't cover anyone. A good, big running back like Harvey L. out of Bingham would be a big plus as well. I think that if Blechen moves to linebacker, he will need to put on about 20-25 lbs and that leaves another void at safety. We would need a Robert Johnson type Safety plus someone for Blechen who has done well in Robert's stead. Hopefully Nai Fotu and VJ Fehoko will be the linebackers we need and we do need to find some explosive edge pass rushers - perhaps some weight on Trevor Reilly (6'5") and Joe Kruger (6'7") would help fill that need. The receiver position needs to get better - hopefully 4-star receiver Kenneth Scott will be fully healed and can add some muscle and be like the SDSU and TCU receivers and with continued development by Devonte and Luke, along with the others, we could have a good group.

  • Jimmy James Bronx, NY
    Nov. 29, 2010 6:15 a.m.


    Excellent assessment of the Utes, I agree 100%. (And I'm a Ute fan by the way.)

  • eyeliketoreadthepaper Orem, UT
    Nov. 29, 2010 5:58 a.m.

    I'm very excited to see the Utes enter the Pac-10 because they will be in about 5th or 6th place every year, if they're lucky. No more playing chump teams and getting 5th place. The Pac-10 is full of very good teams that will send Utah a clear message. That message is "you should have stayed in the MWC with your weak schedule"

  • Go Big Blue!!! Bountiful, UT
    Nov. 29, 2010 3:59 a.m.

    Curious to see how the Utes do playing in a real conference. All the cheap shots taken against the BCS conferences. Now that Wyoming, New Mexico, etc etc are gone Utah will have to get up for more than one or two games a year.