BYU football notebook: Block prevents Mitch Payne from moment of glory

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  • Red Leader Bountiful, UT
    Nov. 29, 2010 3:50 p.m.

    One more thing, at least Mitch Payne can take solace in the fact that the kick was block - wondering, as he said, what might have been. If he had missed, that would be a worse memory to have for the rest of your life (not that it would ruin it, but you know...). Think Boise State's kicker... but not as bad... but still the rivalry game.

    BTW - I wish the game would not be referred to by anybody, especially the media, as "The Deseret First Duel." I'm not sure "Holy War" is the best title, but the other sounds so commercial and stupid. I'm fine with just calling it "The BYU game" as a Utah fan... or if I were a BYU fan (which I was years ago until I saw the light :)) calling it "The Utah game." I know what it means.

    We talk about "The Sugar Bowl" or "The Vegas Bowl" we don't say "Yeah, we're playing in the Allstate Sugar Bowl." Please ditch the Deseret First Duel. They present the trophy at the end of the game like the fans care... "What's going on? Oh, that."

  • Red Leader Bountiful, UT
    Nov. 29, 2010 3:40 p.m.

    Cougar Claws: Amen, I agree. I hate blaming games on the refs. If it was the last play of the game and it was called a fumble and was picked up and returned for a touchdown, then I might argue for that... There was over five minutes left. BYU's miraculous, come from behind, bowl victories happened in less time than that (maybe even both combined). A lot can happen in that time... though if we had lost I would have blamed the juggled catch going out of bounds :)

    BlueHusky: I like what you said about superiority.

    When you blow a team out, you can claim superiority. When it's close like this, you claim victory because you made one more play than the other team. I hate when fans on either side overblow a victory. Yeah, I'm excited we won, but you won't catch me saying we owned the Cougars... though Burton owned that kick.
    Did anyone else notice the one BYU blocker on Burton's side not making the adjustment and just standing there while the blocker behind him had to try and deal with Taplin-Ross and Burton?

  • wardu Fallon, NV
    Nov. 28, 2010 8:19 p.m.

    I hope I am around the next time the "U" is on the wrong end of a botched replay, it will be great to hear their fans take on how badly they were robbed and how their NC and Rose Bowl chances were ruined because of it. I can just imagine the laments they will write. I will be sure to remind them that according to "UTESoverTIDE"-

    Remember, if a ruling "stands" there is not enough evidence to say either way. If a ruling is "confirmed" the evidence proves it. They ruled that it "stands as called". So get over it.

  • fresnogirl Fresno, CA
    Nov. 28, 2010 7:32 p.m.

    I feel for Payne. What a tough thing to have happen. But Burton must feel great. I only got to listen to the game via KSL internet, but it sounds like he made a heck of an effort.

    To Payne, I say: Chin up, you've still got one more game left. Learn what you can from this and then focus on the bowl game. Go Cougars!

    To Burton: Congratulations. Good luck at your bowl game.

  • utesovertide Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Nov. 28, 2010 3:11 p.m.

    I like the fact that we have replays now in sports, to try and get a better look at it. But we act as if they were always there.

    Sometimes I'd like to go back to the good old days when if you didn't like a call, you played harder to negate the call. BYU had 6 minutes of football to "reverse" the call themselves, and they didn't.

    As a side note, I watched all the replay angles they had on TV in very slow motion on my DVR, and the refs must have felt there wasn't enough evidence to overturn the ruling on the field. That's how I felt about it. If the ruling on the field wasn't a fumble, it too would have stood.

    Remember, if a ruling "stands" there is not enough evidence to say either way. If a ruling is "confirmed" the evidence proves it. They ruled that it "stands as called".

    Both teams now need to go win their bowl games!

  • utahcountyute Cedar Hills, UT
    Nov. 28, 2010 11:42 a.m.

    Wild Blue...



    Nice post!

    Way to go Burton and the Utes!

  • BlueHusky Mission Viejo, CA
    Nov. 28, 2010 11:04 a.m.

    My my, such children. Again, grandpa has to set the kiddies straight. The fumble call was not overturned because they could not see where the ball was when Frasier's knee hit the ground.

    Utah hung in there when they could have given up and, as happens, breaks turned the game around. Football is a much a game of breaks as anything.

    Both teams played really hard. The only thing I was disappointed in was the play calling by Anae, especially in the final drive when Heaps was red hot. I would have gone for the TD instead of camping and wasting three opportunities to score a TD. Heaps might have been picked, but then again, he was red hot. Shame to not let him have a chance to win it.

    Good game for the Utes who hung in there. Their run defense was great in the 2nd half.

    As for superiority: clearly, neither team can claim superiority, but Utah can claim a 10-2 record.

    BYU fans can look forward to three more years of Heaps, who demonstrated that his is special.

  • Cougar Claws Lindon, UT
    Nov. 28, 2010 10:52 a.m.

    I'm not one of those fans that likes to blame the refs for losses, especially because I couldn't stand it when the whiny SDSU fans did it. We won that SDSU game, and Utah won this game. Come on BYU fans, if BYU had successfully kicked the field goal then we win this game, but Utah made 1 more play and won it. We've been on the winning side of that 3 times now. Don't sit there and say the refs lost the game. It was annoying when Dub fans did it in '08, when SDSU fans did it this year, and it's probably annoying that some BYU fans are doing it. Yes the loss hurts and we were in control for a lot of the game, but that doesn't justify blaming the refs. If you go through life playing the victim card and blaming others for your problems you'll get nowhere.

    Tough Loss Cougs. Keep your heads up, you played a great game, and there is still a bowl game to win! Let's Go Cougs!

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    Nov. 28, 2010 10:44 a.m.

    Re: Wild Blue

    "One call" did not intercept Heaps in the first quarter. "One call" did not hold BYU to 60 rushing yards. "One call" did not block the field goal.

    Both teams made big plays - Utah just made one more big play than Utah, and Utah won. To say that one call was the entire game shows how little you know about football.

    No doubt that the call in question was a bad one and hurt BYU, but there were other bad calls that went against Utah (the no-call on the horse collar and the flag on Blechen's hit come to mind). Get over yourself.

  • G-Force Washington, UT
    Nov. 28, 2010 10:30 a.m.

    Payne was painfully slow from snap to kick. His "get-off" time of 1.4 seconds deserved the block. A time less than 1.3 seconds is appropriate in college. The outside rush was there in the split second granted by a very reliable kicker...who simply failed to approached the ball sooner. The special teams coordinator is in charge of this detail...which seems to have escaped the accountability measure of one Head Coach who, earlier in the game, "passed" on a field goal and allowed the OC to "pass" on 4th and one. IMO BYU employs a high school level coaching mentality when it comes to special teams.

  • Wild Blue Abilene, TX
    Nov. 28, 2010 9:06 a.m.

    Wow Scarlet! Did you not watch that game? One call did win that game for Utah. One really bad call. They won, but not of their own doing.

  • Samwise Hobbiton, The Shire
    Nov. 28, 2010 12:22 a.m.

    I am sure it would have gone in... but I agree that the point of the article should have been the block. That was a heck of a block.

  • UteMan South Jordan, UT
    Nov. 28, 2010 12:17 a.m.

    Sounds like some sour grapes on these comment boards.

    This was a poorly played rivalry game by two young teams that played hard from start to finish. In the end, the Utes make a couple of great plays and win 17-16. Credit to BYU for turning what could have been a poor season into something positive and posting a great challenge to a Utah team that was on a roll, yet did not play well late in the year.

    I beleive both teams will benefit from this game and this season in the long run.

    I am sure there has never been a point in any game or even "this" game where BYU was the recipient of a generous or questionable call.

  • scarlet Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 27, 2010 11:07 p.m.

    Wow, listening to the whines...Coug fans, man up and just admit that that there were MANY calls in that game that were questionable from any armchair, and that quite a few of those went AGAINST the Utes.

    No one call lost that game for the Cougars, or won it for the Utes. But if whining helps you endure the loss better, enjoy the spoils of defeat.

  • IDC Boise, ID
    Nov. 27, 2010 10:57 p.m.

    Payne had been on the money and the kick looked good. Great block by Burton. Too bad the blown call will taint this one forever.

  • Moderate Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 27, 2010 10:50 p.m.

    After the game the scoreboard did not say:
    "Dear BYU, Enjoy The Loss".

    So overall, the Utes were classy.

  • Denver Jazzman Parker, CO
    Nov. 27, 2010 10:25 p.m.

    "Former BYU tight end Jonny Harline, who caught the historic game-winner when BYU and Utah last played at Rice-Eccles, carried out the alumni flag on Saturday."

    Actually, the last time BYU went in to Rice-Eccles Stadium, Max Hall had 6 turnovers, and Utah ended up in the Sugar Bowl. Maybe Max should have carried the alumni flag instead. I heard he's got plenty of time for something like that.

  • ute-chute Beverly Hills, CA
    Nov. 27, 2010 10:18 p.m.

    "Immediately dejected, the pain was deepened quickly as he was swarmed by hundreds of jubilant Utah fans, and even a couple of confrontational Utah players."


    Thanks to the class of the Ute coach to protect him from the Utah players.

    I'm looking forward to the Utes pulling that act out here in So. Cal...

    Congrats to the U, and thier classless fans and players.

  • scarlet Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 27, 2010 10:13 p.m.

    How about rewriting this article - "Block brings Burton his moment of glory" - hmmm?

    It's Burton's moment, don't you think?

    Just saying, and go Utes!