TCU and Boise State fire back at Ohio State president

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  • Icy Mt El Paso, Il
    Nov. 27, 2010 9:23 a.m.

    So, T-Mac, the States (San Jose, New Mexico, Fresno and Utah) represent top-flight competition?

    Look, it's about the money. tOSU plays regional teams in the pre-conference to keep the cash in the region. How many Boise State fans are going to come to Columbus and drop some cash? TCU beat Wisconsin? Please be rational. C'mon, BSU couldn't beat #19 Nevada. As the announcer said last night: "The Boise State defense is used to focusing for 40 plays, not 70. Their games are usually over at halftime." Even playing Purdue or Kentucky, you've got to play football for 4 quarters or you are going to get beat. Purdue nearly beat Michigan State last week.
    That said, I don't see why the universities don't see the wisdom of a four round playoff starting with 16 teams. Can't they see the dollar signs behind four post-season games for the eventual National Champions? It would also settle the Boise State question annually when they get waxed in the first or second round.

  • T-Mac Meridian, ID
    Nov. 27, 2010 12:42 a.m.

    I guess Marshal, Ohio U., Eastern Michigan, Indiana, Purdue and Minnesota constitute murderer's row.

    Ohio State's one loss is to a decent Wisconsin team. I don't see TCU losing to Wisconsin this year IF they played each other, but it would sure be nice to settle it on the field rather than having coaches, sports writes and computers assume that team A is better that team B just because they play in a mythical elite conference. I'm reminded of the year Wyomaing was the doormat of the MWC and beat Tennessee at their place. SEC dominance... right???

  • Icy Mt El Paso, Il
    Nov. 26, 2010 5:46 p.m.

    "Little Sisters of the Poor...", that's hilarious, but a golden oldie, E. Gord. Don't quit your day job. Seriously, a TCU/BSU national championship would be a snoozer that would cost the BCS advertisers millions. However, I would would be great if we could match up Oregon against Boise and Auburn against TCU. The resulting double slaughter would put this controversy to rest. Seriously, any one of the rest of the top ten would love to step up and play TCU or BSU in a bowl game: easy win, bowl record plus for the coach and team. They would all risk the down side of a loss to the Little Sisters of the Poor because the risk is so low and the benefits so high.

  • spudman Cottonwood, AZ
    Nov. 26, 2010 4:03 p.m.

    The thing with Gee is he is probably thinking of Appalachian State. He knows that on any given day one of the Little Sisters of the Poor can come in and knock sense out of the "Murderer's Row". He is just afraid that TCU or BSU or the like will come over and thouroughly embarrass his precious team and him as well.

  • dferg Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 26, 2010 12:09 p.m.

    Every commenter here is correct in that the BCS is unfairly biased against teams from conferences not from those of the founders, and it is indeed all about the almighty dollar.

    But y'all need to remember this kind of talk happened before - during and in the wake of the 1984 season. BYU winning the National Championship was one of the major turning points, one of the key impetuses these so-called "major" conferences used to create the BCS in the first place: to exclude everybody but themselves, not only from the most prestigious bowl games and the national title, but from the higher revenue-generating games (each of the five BCS games currently have a total payout of $17 million).

    My comments aren't to minimize BSU's or TCU's accomplishments this year or in the last several years; they've both been phenomenal. But I think it proves my point that the prejudice against teams from non-AQ (or "mid-major") conferences started with BYU, and the BCS snobs are continuing to rear their ugly heads and reveal their ignorance by short-sheeting the Horny Toads and the Smurfs (sorry, I couldn't resist).

    Dissolve the BCS.

  • bgl Santa Monica, CA
    Nov. 26, 2010 11:52 a.m.

    Here is something that is so obvious, but never gets mentioned in conversations about strength of schedule. Ohio State plays EIGHT home games this season. EIGHT! Boise State plays six. TCU plays 6 and one at the new Jerry Jones stadium.
    Might we not possibly say that playing two more home games, when you are a nationally recognized program, and stacking three of those home games with Marshall, Ohio University, and the mighty Chippewas from Eastern Michigan gives a school president little ammo when talking about your week in and week out difficulties.
    I would urge all fans to look at the 2010 schedules for every major (old school) program in this country and consider how tough it is for any team to win on the road. If you don't think that this is a system designed to keep money in the pockets of the already well lined, this will open your eyes. I would bet that 90 percent of football fans in this country are not aware that many of the big name schools don't play anywhere near the number of road games the small schools do.

  • Rational Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 26, 2010 11:40 a.m.

    Runner, Gee is wrong. Ohio State plays 8 home games, 4 away games. Most Big Ten schools do the same, as do SEC schools. Who WOULDN'T have glossy records under those conditions?

    They lure small teams to their 100,000 seat lairs with what are, for those schools, big payouts, while they collect huge gates so they can pad their records and their pocketbooks. They don't want the TCU's and Boise States to have access to big bowl payouts because it levels the playing field.

    They are smarmy, scummy manipulators of the system. PERIOD. And EVERY year there is one or more non-BCS teams that would threaten their veneer of supremacy, just as Butler did in basketball, so they close the door to them.

  • yarrlydarb Ogden, UT
    Nov. 26, 2010 11:21 a.m.


    You couldn't be more wrong! Remember when Utah beat Alabama. Coach Kyle was asked if he'd like to play FL and Urban. He said, "Any time, any day." When Urban was asked if he was interested, he said, "No, I don;t thinks so."

    Why not, Urban (and all the other coaches of the "elite" teams?

    Because if they get beat, or if they get there butts kicked, it looks really bad to all the fans back east and they hate to be shown "on any given day ..."

  • DEW Cougars Sandy, UT
    Nov. 26, 2010 10:03 a.m.

    Don't you get it what Gee trying to do. Telling bsu & tcu to get lost and The Ohio State going to jump in at the top 2 spot and play the NC after they beat Mich. Why he even bother to post this. And what Obama going to do, he has things to do at his White House. Anyway, just hope that Ohio State, Auburn & Boise State all lose this weekend. I wouldn't be surprise that Oregon would lose to Rival Oregon St. (don't think so but Maybe). bcs is FLAWED!!!

  • Runner Chandler, AZ
    Nov. 26, 2010 10:01 a.m.

    An objective observer of college football would have to agree with the OSU president. While it doesn't sound too diplomatic to say that some teams, "play the little sisters of the poor" the fact that BSU in particular, TCU could probably argue otherwise, plays small teams in small stadiums, in a small conference does provide them somewhat of an advantage when the only thing you are comparing is the win-loss record.

    No non-biased fan can honestly say that the SEC and the Big-10 teams don't have a more difficult road to go undefeated when they play on national TV every week in front of 60,000, 70,000, 80,000 seat staidums in hostile environments. I mean c'mon, if you ask BSU to play games at LSU, at Alabama, and even at South Carolina or Georgia, etc. Regardless of how good those teams are that year, the environmnet in and of itself makes it more difficult that playing against Fresno, HI, or even Nevada.

    Just leave the emotion out of it and see it for what it really is. When you do so, you'll see that these comments are fairly accurate.

  • bbzebra Sandy, UT
    Nov. 26, 2010 9:59 a.m.

    Rootin' for Alabama to beat Auburn today, and the BCS will be exposes as the fraud it is when they find away to keep BSU and TCU out of the championship game. Somehow, I don't think the BCS is stupid enough to send them both to the same bowl, again. It is the BCS's second worst nightmare to see them pitted against the chosen conference teams in two different bowl games.

  • morpunkt Glendora, CA
    Nov. 26, 2010 8:12 a.m.

    You are absolutely correct. It's all about the almighty dollar.
    One need look no further than that of the example of Notre Dame. By far, they have the largest fan base, with millions in potential sales to the sponsors of their weekly coverage on a major network, win or lose. And boy, are they losing games. But it doesn't matter.
    The BCS conferences are about Coca Cola, Walmart, Tostitos, GM, etc. Potential sales from the viewers, combined with store-bought T shirts, baseball caps, on and on.
    The BCS is a mere acronym for Big Cash Confederation$$$$$$$
    Your TCUs, Boise States, Utahs, etc, will never be invited. Outside of their respective states, you will never see caps or T shirts of them anywhere.
    I'm waiting for the anti-trust legislation to be enacted, to break-up this professional, multi-billion dollar college industry, that has infiltration our institutions of higher learning.

  • yarrlydarb Ogden, UT
    Nov. 26, 2010 7:54 a.m.

    The BCS could not care less about who the best teams are in the country. It's all a matter of which teams will bring most fans and viewers.

    When it comes to OSU and BSU, OSU will win out every time, not because OSU has the best team, just because the draw the most fans in the country and that means more money.

    Sports no longer are for the sake of sports; they're a business and the bottom line is $$$.

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    Nov. 26, 2010 7:40 a.m.

    Gee, settle it on the field instead of protecting the status quo where you have the upper hand. It's simple. Put your money where your mouth is.

  • Where's Stockton ??? Bowling Green, OH
    Nov. 26, 2010 6:49 a.m.

    Obviously President Gee lives in a complete fantasy world and truly knows nothing about the ins and outs of College Football beyond the ring of the cash register. To say that the Big 10 and the SEC must run a Death Row gauntlet year after year is totally Asinine...A statement like that just shows the ineptness of his knowledge of the sport or how powerful the Bowl system is in it's present form. Ohio State as well as Michigan and the rest of the Big 10 pick obvious patsy's in their Non Conference schedules. Ohio State has it's pick of any of the Mid American Conference teams at any time it wants and obviously builds the beginng of it's annual early rise by walking over the likes of Ohio University, Kent State, Miami of Ohio, Central Michigan etc. etc. etc. Mr. Gee's obvious sense of importance is extremely self overinflated and rediculously points out just how little he does understand the sport.

  • WaltHanks Woodbridge, VA
    Nov. 26, 2010 6:25 a.m.

    Del Conte is a class act, and he is right on. Ohio State and the other BCS schools that are whining about TCU and Boise State just diminish themselves with their comments. Another TCU vs. Boise State Fiesta Bowl will demonstrate, once again, just how unfair the BCS system is and add to the pressure for change. We don't need Obama or Congress to intervene. We need fans to stand up and demand change.

  • Max Syracuse, NY
    Nov. 26, 2010 5:19 a.m.

    P.S. I loved how the BCS paired TCU with Boise State last year. That way they were able to avoid TWO embarrassing losses. They obviously had Utah and Alabama on their minds when they schedule that one.

  • Max Syracuse, NY
    Nov. 26, 2010 5:15 a.m.

    While the OSU president may be good at administration, he obviously isn't smart enough to know that his comments actually were an argument against the BCS. Also, does he not know that Ohio State has one of the weakest schedules this year? (Talk about little sisters of the poor) Also, didn't he see what "little sister of the poor" Utah did to his hollowed SEC Alabama a couple of years ago? This guy needs to speak out more often. Those of us who despise the BCS love guys like this. He is doing a great job of making our case.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    Nov. 26, 2010 3:55 a.m.

    It's a rotten system. Just goes to show that if somehow the Utes could have gone undefeated it would not have made any difference.

    So this will be twice in a row that TCU and BSU are shut out. I sure hope Obama can fix this. It would be another feather in his teleprompter.