Utah Utes football: Utes a few plays from domination

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  • wwookie Payson, UT
    Nov. 27, 2010 4:15 a.m.

    Here´s an idea. Since each year is a different team, an arbitrary point in time is rather silly, so I agree with some of the cougar fans on that point.

    How about a non-arbitrary point in time, which would be the beginning of the rivalry. All of sudden, cougar fans don´t like that because Utah has dominated from the beginning with the upstart cougars having some luck getting Lavell as their coach and ending the Utah dismantling of BYU year-in and year-out. That only started in the late 70s.

    So yeah, the Utes just returned to their normal status as the favorites to beat BYU every year. It will be another 20 years before BYU can put together a string of teams capable of consistently beating the generally superior utes.

  • MTN MAN Taylorsville, UT
    Nov. 26, 2010 10:58 a.m.

    This is a strange article. I mean, it can go either way. You pick an arbitrary time point, change some close losses to wins for the team you want, and look at the "what if" domination!

    Example: From 1972 till now, Utah has 8 victories over BYU by a touchdown or less. So change eight plays in favor of BYU - one in each game - and suddenly the Cougars have domination: 34 wins, only 4 losses. And that, my friends, is how magic happens!

  • DesertRat Gilbert, AZ
    Nov. 26, 2010 9:15 a.m.

    One thing for sure -- all the pressure is on Utah to win this game. If BYU pulls off the upset, this one will sting more than any of those other "We almost won :-( " losses. Stay loose Cougars.

  • ute-chute Beverly Hills, CA
    Nov. 25, 2010 11:52 p.m.

    I'm getting this concept now.

    If the Utes would have had more points that USU last night, the Utes would have won.

    If the Utes would have won a National Championship, they would have a banner.

    If Majerus could have beat Kentucky, the Utes would have won the NCAA tournament.

    If the Jazz go undefeated every season through the playoff, they will win every NBA title.

    And, if the Utes had never lost a football game, they would have won every NC.

    Quick question. Is this a news article, or a "what if" paper?

    What if we lost the Revolutionary War, the Civil War, WWII?

    What if Gore was President, not Bush?

    There's a story.

    See, I assert, and I may be wrong, but history is based upon facts, and not "what ifs".


    Facts are such that Utes don't like them, so a "what if" story is written.

    I think it's sweet, and have no problem with it. My daughter used to always ask me "What if, daddy" questions when she was two.

    Sorensen and the Utah fans remind me of that time.

    I think it's cute.

    What if daddy gets you some milk?

  • Veritas Aequitas Fruit Heights, UT
    Nov. 25, 2010 11:35 p.m.


    "If you can't take an article directed to Ute fans telling them that's how close Utah has been to beating BYU over the past several meetings then here's some advice ... don't read it and whine about it."

    It's about Utah and BYU.

    It's in the local paper. If you don't like my comment... "then here's some advice ... don't read it and whine about it."

    Jeez, if every team mad an extra play at the right spot, there would be alot more teams undefeated every year.

    So what again is the point of the story?

    Oh yeah, ifs and buts.


    Wow, hit a nerve to get that little rant out of you?
    Insecurities raging high this week? Facts get in the way of your self-deluded-arrogance?

    Facts. Not Myths.


    It's a silly story based on a silly premise.

    How many Superbowls, Prize Fights, NBA Playoffs, College Tournaments, Golf Tournaments, etc have come down to one punch, one shot, one hit, one ball between the legs?

    Thats sports kids.

    Need I go on?

    That's why we count "W"s and "L"s.

    Not candy and nuts...

  • Randy01 Lees Summit, MO
    Nov. 25, 2010 11:19 p.m.

    I stand corrected on the BigEast, but it is 4-0, not 8-0. My point is that neither BYU or Utah have been that relevant outside of 2004 and 2008 for Utah or since 1996 in BYU's case.

    Any one can win one game - it is very different when you have to play a whole season of better teams. We will find that out next year (I went to Utah) in the pac10. The BigEast is a joke, but the bottom half of the MWC is abysmal.

  • Terry Sandy, UT
    Nov. 25, 2010 10:46 p.m.

    This writer obviously failed his journalist classes that clearly teach being impartial and giving the whole story. 34-31 sound familiar? Vast majority of those Ute wins were by 1 big or blow play by one of those teams also. You could just have easily said BYU could totally dominate this series with one more play over all those past games!

    Truth is BYU dominated this series for the entire 80s and 90s and Utah's pitiful season was a success just to keep the game from being a total blow out. Since then it has gone back and forth like a true rivalry should. Look forward to Saturday, yet again it could be anybody's game!

  • yankee doodle Layton, UT
    Nov. 25, 2010 9:42 p.m.

    Did anybody mark anything down?

    Someone call Chris B, we need a mark down stat!!!

  • eagle Provo, UT
    Nov. 25, 2010 8:52 p.m.

    Actually, the two years the Utes went undefeated and to the BCS bowls, they beat the Cougs quite comfortably...

  • Rock Of The Marne Phoenix, AZ
    Nov. 25, 2010 7:47 p.m.

    No so Randy01, Utah is 8-0 against Big East (an AQ conference). Also in the last 30 plus years Utah is 1-0 against the SEC (via a major beat down of Alabama). Whats your point?

  • Rock Of The Marne Phoenix, AZ
    Nov. 25, 2010 7:11 p.m.

    Veritas Aequitas, give me a break. All you little jealous coug fans have to air your insecurities by ridiculing the Utes on stories that are not about your team; pathetic. Enjoy your mid major independent irrelevance. Regarding your mythical NC that you boast of, you got a gift that year by being the last team standing before the BCS was implemented. If it were the same rules Utah would have won it in 2008. Utah has five undefeated seasons, your little team has one and got lucky (they didn't play a team that was even ranked at the end of the season). Also, why does Utah have a 20 more wins head to head against your supposed great school?
    Regarding "Anyone catch the score of the USU basketball game yesterday?" maybe when your team actually does something in the post season again (Danny Ainge is Grandpa) your weak attempt at smack will carry some weight. BTW Utah has an NCAA B-Ball championship and a 1998 finals appearance and many many sweet sixteen and final eight appearances (how about the Y). Enjoy the West Coast Conference where you can beat up on Bo Diddly Tech.

  • SMS Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 25, 2010 6:14 p.m.

    @CordonBleu and @Veritas

    Obviously you're missing the point I am trying to make, so I'll repeat myself. This article is making the point that the six losses for Utah in the last 13 years have been very close and Utah could be 13-0 over the past 13 meetings--that's just how close the games have been.

    Listen, last I checked Sorensen and Facer cover the Utes and Harmon and Call cover the Cougars. If you can't take an article directed to Ute fans telling them that's how close Utah has been to beating BYU over the past several meetings then here's some advice ... don't read it and whine about it.

    If you want an article by Dick Harmon or Jeff Call saying that BYU could be 11-2 over the past 13 years why don't you write them a letter and bring it up to them.

    So let me get this right, Utah fans are the "classless" ones?

  • Randy01 Lees Summit, MO
    Nov. 25, 2010 3:50 p.m.


    Unfortunately Uteology's BYU's stats are correct. I know it is tough for everyone, but here is the bigger picture if you include the old southwest conference:

    1. Both programs have winning percentages against only one of the AQ conferences since 1920. BYU has a .667 record against the the old SWC, with most wins coming in the few years before the conference disintegrated. Utah's comes against the ACC, but only one team they beat finished with a winning record.
    2. Utah had two outstanding teams in 2004 and 2008. Those years represent their national legacy.
    3. BYU's best team was probably the 1996 edition. Their signature came in 1990, 20 years ago.
    4. Both have benefitted from weak competition. If Vanderbilt's teams had the same benefit, they would likely have done as well. The pollsters don't see all of the games, the look at records. Utah proved this during this season.
    5. The picture only improves slightly if you include BSU. Their last two games against SEC opponents were blow-outs.
    6. It will be harder in the pac12 next year.

    Enjoy the game, but don't over-inflate your importance.

  • Veritas Aequitas Fruit Heights, UT
    Nov. 25, 2010 11:46 a.m.

    Sorensen, Uteology, SMS...

    "If ifs and buts were candy and nuts, wed all have a merry Christmas was a proverb of Don Meredith, former SMU and Dallas Cowboys quarterback and Monday Night Football announcer. The proverb (in other forms) is older."

    So take your candy and nuts to the PAC...

    And remember...

    If you marry a monkey for his wealth, the money goes, and the monkey remains as is.
    Egyptian Proverb

    As for me, I will continue to watch the jealous Utes wish their way to a National Championship, Heisman, Doak Walker, Davey O'Briens, Sammy Baughs, Outland Trophies... etc.

    If all you can hang from your stadium is that you have been to two bowl games, really, how good is that?

    And, how many "big plays" did Utah need in 2008, Oh, Utes will count those, because the Utes are good.

    Tell me, how does DC turned HC Kyle let Harline, 4th and 18, and all the rest of those big plays happen?

    It was poor coaching, and poor coaching earns you the "L".

    Stop whining, and do it on the field.

    Unhappy? Get a new coach.

    Anyone catch the score of the USU basketball game yesterday?

  • CordonBleu Park City, UT
    Nov. 25, 2010 11:44 a.m.


    The only insecurities I see are Utah fans whining about what could have been "IF".

    Utah, despite their two BCS seasons, has NEVER been dominant in football.

    The article only presented one side of the argument; BYU fans are simply stating the contrasting point of view that the Utes are only a few plays away from losing 12 of the last 14 games to BYU.

    Utah fans constantly display their insecurities, by not being able to accept losing, and then using predictions of future success as a crutch to prop themselves back up.

  • SMS Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 25, 2010 11:10 a.m.

    @Snack PAC and uteBusters

    Your insecurities are definitely showing. The DesNews has an article that's not in your team's favor and so you have to start whining about it. All the article is saying is that Utah is a few plays away from winning 13 straight--and any objectional person can see that. BYU cannot say the same thing as Utah has beat them soundly in 2 of the last 13 games.

    Are you familiar with the word hypocrite? You may want to look it up in the dictionary. I don't think your comment shows any class and because you are only calling out the Ute fans comments on this board I can tell that you are showing lots of class as an alleged Cougar fan/Ute hater.

    Utah will make this the 3rd game of the last 14 which the Utes beat the Cougars more than a TD, Utah wins 34-21.

  • Balan West Jordan, Utah
    Nov. 25, 2010 11:10 a.m.

    I thought that good teams, the teams with character, are supposed to win the close games. Besides, I can guarantee you I will never forget Beck to Harline, 4th and 18, LaVell's last game at RES and by George, he's still running!

  • anti BCS Anaheim, CA
    Nov. 25, 2010 9:51 a.m.


    Utah fans seem to spend a lot of time trying to rewrite history every time they lose.

    It doesn't really matter who was favored or if it's on the last play of the game or on the opening kickoff,

    a loss is still a loss.

    Get over it!

  • Golfhack20 West Jordan, Ut
    Nov. 25, 2010 9:40 a.m.

    I think we need to go back and look at who was favored in these close games. Isn't it funny the team that is supposed to win thumps his chest like he did something real special. That is what you are supposed to do if you are favored to win. Look at the games Utah lost. They haven't been favored in many but somehow make a game of it. Keep flipping the stats to make your team relevant. It can go both ways. Good Luck Saturday to both teams!!!!

  • SportsFan Orem, UT
    Nov. 25, 2010 8:21 a.m.

    "Problem is Utah kept looking past the last cupcake of the season. Won´t happen this year."

    lol, wwookie

    When has Utah EVER looked past BYU?

    Blowout wins are fun, but, how does it feel to have your heart ripped out by a "cupcake" three of the last four years?

    The next time Utah wins 10 conference championships in a row; wins a national championship, or a Heisman Trophy, or wins any sort of national individual award, call us,

    we'll throw a parade.

    (And, not some impromptu thing, either, of a couple dozen fans showing up at the airport in the wee hours of the morning.)

  • Ripandstrip Woods Cross, UT
    Nov. 25, 2010 7:55 a.m.

    Sorenson totally failed to mention BYU has soundly beat the Yewtes 3 out of the last 4 years! And this year the pendulum/momentum has swung to the Coug boys and we will get another win this year! (although it will be another close game) I know the Yewtes hate to hear it but the COugs, have "WORKED HARDER/SMARTER" the 2nd half of this season and it will show in Saturday's game! Heaps has got his mojo going to say the least!

  • Gordon Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Nov. 25, 2010 6:01 a.m.

    I have to laugh at the homer comment! The trouble that U haters will have is that the article speaks the truth...BUT they can't handle the TRUTH! They would prefer their blue fantasy of being a real National Champion and football domination!

  • wwookie Payson, UT
    Nov. 25, 2010 3:39 a.m.

    Problem is Utah kept looking past the last cupcake of the season. Won´t happen this year.

    When was the last time BYU beat Utah by more than 1 score?

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    Nov. 25, 2010 1:05 a.m.

    Nice dodge, Uteology, but you still didn't answer the salient question:

    Where is this mythical dominance the Utes talk about?

    ONE MWC championship since TCU entered the MWC.

    BYU has two.

    TCU has two, going on three.

    TWO Top 25 finishes since TCU entered the MWC.

    BYU has four.

    TCU has four, going on five.

    Bronco has won three of the last four, and three of five overall head-to-head versus Kyle.

    Gary Patterson is 3-3 versus Kyle, but the Frogs have destroyed the Utes that last two years.

    Which is better, to beat a ranked team, or to be a ranked team?

    When was the last time Utah finished with four straight 10-win seasons?

    You see, Uteology, even during the best stretch of football in Utah history, BYU is still outperforming Utah in many key accomplishments.

  • frankie Sandy, UT
    Nov. 25, 2010 12:37 a.m.

    Looks like we got three classy ute fans on here.

  • Uteology Fort Worth, Texas
    Nov. 24, 2010 11:56 p.m.

    Keep clicking your high heels and repeating "BCS is just around the corner" and one day it might just happen.

    @Snack PAC

    BYU dominated the WAC, not the MWC.

    Utah and BYU have 4 MWC championships.

    Utah has the chance to match BYU with 5 AP rankings in the MWC.

    The difference is Utah's average ranking is around 11, while BYU is around 18. Plus, Utah has gone undefeated twice with 2 top 5 finishes.

    In the MWC, BYU is 2-22 against final ranked teams, while the flavor of the month beat 4 ranked teams in 2008 alone (two in the top 7). BYU has never beat a top 10 team in the MWC.

    Collie was right magic does happen for BYU, how else can you explain 3 of 4 besides miss coverage and tackles by Utah's secondary.

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    Nov. 24, 2010 11:04 p.m.

    It' BCS "BERTH" UteMan.

    The Utes, btw, are about a million plays away from winning a national championship.

    Dominant teams win conference championships

    Dominant teams finish in the Top 25

    Dominant teams beat good teams on the road

    Utah hasn't ever done any of those consistently.

    So where is this mystical "dominance" Utah fans talk about. It certainly doesn't apply in any way, shape or form to Utah.

    The Utes, for all their talk, are little more than the flavor of the month; as quickly forgotten as a teenage crush.

    See 47-7 to see how quickly that can happen.

  • UteMan South Jordan, UT
    Nov. 24, 2010 10:28 p.m.

    @Utebusters...I think the cougars are about 100 plays away from a BCS birth.

    Perhaps the WAC-Lite schedule next year will help.

  • This Little Piggy Bountiful, UT
    Nov. 24, 2010 10:04 p.m.

    I always like to see BYU fans like uteBusters who choose a screen name that focuses on the team they cheer for and not the... oh wait.

  • uteBusters Park City, UT
    Nov. 24, 2010 9:50 p.m.

    I see the Ute homers at the DN are coming out of the woodwork.

    Utah may be a few plays from domination, but the Utes are also only a few plays away from never playing in a BCS game and losing 12 of the last 14 games to BYU.

    5 of Utah's 7 wins over BYU since 1995 have been by a touchdown or less.

    Anytime you win by a TD or less, ONE PLAY, can change the outcome of the game.

    It's a two-way street Sorensen. We can all play the "what if" game.