North, South Korea exchange fire; 2 marines killed

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  • Moderate Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 25, 2010 1:13 a.m.

    Why is North Korea a problem? George W Bush took care of them, right? Defeated the Axis Of Evil?

    Oh wait.

    He didn't deal with North Korea. He just left another mess for the next president to clean up.

  • Rifleman Salt Lake City, Utah
    Nov. 23, 2010 5:45 p.m.

    No need to fear. We have Obama in the White House and he'll know what to do. Probably send North Korea a nasty letter telling them to stop it.

  • xscribe Colorado Springs, CO
    Nov. 23, 2010 2:06 p.m.

    @Patriot: Do you think we can't look this stuff up?

    "June 28, 2002-North and South Korean naval vessels fought a twenty-minute gun battle in which 4 South Korean sailors died and 18 wounded near Yeonpyeong island in the Yellow Sea. A South Korean frigate was sunk and a North Korean vessel sustained damage."

    "Nov. 27, 2001--The first cross-border shooting of 2001 between North and South Korea. North Korean troops fired several shots at a South Korean guard post. Fire was returned by the South Koreans."

    If you don't notice the dates, they both occurred during the Bush administration. This is what I don't like about what the Des News lets into its posts. If people want to state opinons, then state it as such. But the Des lets in false facts as if they are true.

    By the way, Patriot: You didn't say you wanted a war started. You also has zero solutions to the problem, but just banter.

  • Whos Life RU Living? Ogden, UT
    Nov. 23, 2010 12:28 p.m.

    Patriot has no idea of what he is talking about.

    CNN 26 June 2008
    Bush welcomes North Korean move on nuclear program

    President Bush, who once branded North Korea as part of an "axis of evil," welcomed the move and said he intends to remove the communist nation from the U.S. list of states that sponsor terrorism.

    Yeah Bush was real tough on them.

    Nov. 23, 2010 12:25 p.m.

    Scarey situation over in the Koreas. We are going to have to deal with N. Korea sooner or later. That is the Unfortunate thing. We have a major problem right in our back yard in Mexico too, and I think we are going to be forced to deal with the drug cartels there soon too.

  • Mark B Eureka, CA
    Nov. 23, 2010 11:31 a.m.

    Does patriot really know what the North Koreans and Iranians are thinking? If true, his inside dope would be worth a great deal to the Pentagon. But his rant sounds more like the usual analysis we get from these self-appointed experts who learned everything they know about foreign relations on grade school playgrounds

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Nov. 23, 2010 10:48 a.m.


    Did I say to start a war?? I don't think so. Re-read my post. My point was that NK and Iran are NOT in the least respectful of US power nor do they respect the US president THEREFORE they are free to act out their aggression because they know there will be no reprocussions... and they are correct. Rouge nations are kept in check not by using power but instead by the THREAT of that power and a respect with the commander and chief. Both NK and Iran think Obama is a joke and that have no respect for the man. They laugh at him and his silly speeches in front of the paper tiger UN. The USSR was defeated by Reagan and we didn't even have to fire a shot. They knew Reagan was a man of action and they repected him. They couldn't keep up with the US arms build up and they feared any sort of aggressive action they folded. You didn't see NK firing shots into South Korea with Bush in office did you. Hmmm, I wonder why.

  • Happy Valley Hillbilly Alpine, UT
    Nov. 23, 2010 10:32 a.m.

    North Korea is and has for many years engaged in meaningless sabre rattling. The military there regularly attempts to support themselves with brash talk, and the occasional minor display of military "might". This is their way of trying to be meaningful on the world stage. The reality is, the north fully realizes it would be quickly devastated should an actual military conflict arise with the much more advanced military weaponry in the south, not to mention the U.S promise to defend it's ally.

  • Razzle2 Bluffdale, UT
    Nov. 23, 2010 9:59 a.m.

    N Korea reminds me of Argentina in the 70's. Argentina would warn their citizens that they needed a military government to protect them from Chile. Then Argentina would cross the border until Chile sent a warning shot. The Argentine citizens finally stopped believing the military and demanded democracy (after the military was embarrased by the Britians).
    In this day and age, why can't we send media transmissions to the N Korea citizens about the real world? It worked in East Berlin.

  • byronbca Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 23, 2010 9:35 a.m.

    Re Patriot:

    You're right we should start a war with every country that threatens us. Look at how well Iraq and Afghanistan are going. Why not start a war in Asia too? That was sarcasm in case you missed it.

    Personally I like the idea of diplomacy more that sending us further into debt by starting another war.

    I don't know where you were during the Bush administration but his policy with N. Korea was just about the same as it is now. You need to learn how to see the world through a non partisan lens.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Nov. 23, 2010 9:08 a.m.

    Well one thing is for certain, as long as the teleprompter king Obama is in the White House NK and Iran will do whatever they want - when they want - with zero accountability. At worst they know BO will make some worthless speech to the UN and that will be the end of it and as the ole saying goes... sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me... Neither NK or Iran would pull a stunt like this with Bush or Reagan because they know their will be actual consequences to their insanity.... but not with Obama. Expect more of the same for the next two years. Maybe Obama can practice what he preached during the campaign and go sit down with these dictators and convince them to "play nice". Might as well send Mr Rogers over there.

  • Question Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Nov. 23, 2010 9:04 a.m.

    To me the crazy thing is... North Korean leaders keep telling their people that the United States is going to invade them... CONTINUALLY!

    WE know we have no intention of invading them.

    We keep telling them we have no intention of invading them if they can just mind their own business and not provoke their neighbors.

    Then they go and do something like THIS???

    Do they WANT us to invade them?

    Sometimes I think they do. At least then they would have a reason to beg for food and fuel aid from the West.

    Winter is comming and North Korea is short on heating oil, and every year for as long as I can remember, North Korea has done something provocative just as winter sets in. And then when they get us to the bargaining table we promise to give them fuel and food to stop doing whatever it is they are doing.

    North Korean leaders just seem like they have never progressed passed the maturity level of a 4 year old.