About Utah: Brotherly hate is my hope for BYU-Utah

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  • higv Dietrich, ID
    Nov. 24, 2010 8:54 p.m.

    The defense won the game last year for byu not Max Hall. Offense was horrible for the Y

  • EdGrady Idaho Falls, ID
    Nov. 23, 2010 3:46 p.m.

    Ah yes, the SL media's obsession with Max Hall lives on. Did anybody from the Uinversity of Utah administration apologize to Max Hall's family for the FACT that they required a police escort from RES two years ago? I didn't think so. Kudos to Hall for calling out the U administration. Too bad the SL media didn't have the guts to do it themselves.

  • Utesforlife Lehi, UT
    Nov. 23, 2010 2:12 p.m.


    How many D's does Bronco have? Just curious?

    Go UTES!!!

  • Texas Ute Fan Austin, Texas
    Nov. 22, 2010 11:16 p.m.

    MUSSing with U | 10:42 a.m. Nov. 22, 2010

    Ute fans can hate BYU without playing a rivalry game every year. It's easily to hate BYU.

  • sk3pt1c4l Sandy, UT
    Nov. 22, 2010 10:12 p.m.

    Seriously, Lee? You're still talking about Max Hall? Let it go, man.

  • DEW Cougars Sandy, UT
    Nov. 22, 2010 8:53 p.m.

    it will be a close game and Bronco will make sure his D's will be ready

  • Razzle2 Bluffdale, UT
    Nov. 22, 2010 6:21 p.m.

    Isiah Thomas, Max Hall, Danny Ainge, ...that was sports hate fun.
    How can anyone hate Jake Heaps? Now, it's just a game that has no bearing on the outcome except some heckling at church.

  • Henry Drummond San Jose, CA
    Nov. 22, 2010 5:43 p.m.

    I don't know what it was about Max, but even before his famous rant it seems that he just got under everyone's skin. He caught it from his opponents, from the media, and even from BYU fans. I used to admire how well he handled it, until he demonstrated that he really wasn't handling it well at all.

    Jake seems to be just the opposite. Who else could lose to Utah State and still be able to walk the streets of Provo? People just like him. That does take some of the fun out of this week's game, but maybe the fun has gone overboard anyway.

  • hedgehog Ann Arbor, MI
    Nov. 22, 2010 3:40 p.m.


    The odds makers were pretty much right on with the SDSU game.

    I think 10 points is about right....I'll take the Utes minus the points and collect on Sunday.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Nov. 22, 2010 3:36 p.m.

    The secret for ute football. Take their band members and dress them in football uniforms than have them play the game. The cougars will have a lesser blowout victory.

    COUGS 34
    Utes 17

    The Last Days are here & HedgeHog will finally be silenced.

    Nov. 22, 2010 2:28 p.m.

    BYU is an early 10 point dog in this game. I'm all over that. There is no way utah beats BYU by 10 or more. The way both teams are playing this game is going to come down to the wire once again. I don't know if the Cougs will beat the bew's, but I am very confident, that it won't be by 10 or more. The bew's aren't playing any better than BYU right now.

  • UtahManDan Providence, UT
    Nov. 22, 2010 2:06 p.m.

    @Sloppy J

    The uproar over Maxine's comments was hysterical. Isn't that also all part of the fun? While I was embarrassed that someone who supposedly represented my faith would say such stupid things, I thought his comments were wildly entertaining. The "uproar" I manufactured was solely for the purpose to taunt my self-righteous friends at BYU. The f-bomb he dropped on camera was also delicious! Indeed BYU needs a lot more Max Halls.

    Beer showers are also great! Keep 'em coming!

  • DEW Cougars Sandy, UT
    Nov. 22, 2010 1:58 p.m.

    How funny we read this article and I can tell Lee is having fun reading what our remarks are being posted. Class act Lee.


  • Sloppy J St. Louis, MO
    Nov. 22, 2010 1:32 p.m.

    The uproar over Max's horrible breach of etiquette was (and is) hysterical. No matter who you root for, he gave you something to get all worked up about. Who needs bland, measured comments? BOOO-RING!!

    Hate, schmate. It's sports hate, people . . it's not REAL hate. Sports hate adds spice to the games, especially when the games themselves have been as awesome as most recent U-BYU games. Out of the last 15, how many have been downright classics? 10? It's been ridiculously etertaining football and it's a shame the rest of the country doesn't care.

    I played hoops for Ogden High and HATED Ben Lomond . . from the players to the drill team to the special ed kids. But it was sports hate, and even then I kinda knew it. If I saw any of those guys today I'd invite them to lunch and we'd have a laugh.

  • TJ Eagle Mountain, UT
    Nov. 22, 2010 12:06 p.m.

    Max was only right about a very few when he made his no-class statements. Same can be said of a few of those who profess to be fans of the other school.
    There will always be a few of them on both sides.
    Whatever happens to the rivalry in the future, it will be one of the most important games to the players of both teams for years to come. This because of all the Utah HS players who are recruited by both teams and because of all the BYU-Utah ties within the coaching staffs. Get over it haters and enjoy the game. Looking forward to the one this year.

  • davidutefan Evanston, WY
    Nov. 22, 2010 11:04 a.m.

    I hate the tds as much as anyone and love doing it. But, MUSSing you's comment would be funny if not so pathetic. "and many Utah fans were still more interested in throwing pot shots at BYU, than in talking about TCU." and what is it exactly you think you're doing. OF course we throw pot shots. TDS and Ute fans. What do you think a rivalry is about anyway?

  • Utes Fan Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 22, 2010 11:01 a.m.

    "the ND fans booed Utah's band and crazy lady when they showed lack of class."

    Please be aware of what really happened with the band. Utah was NOT at fault:

    "Dear Dr Sproul and the 2010 UTAH Marching Band,

    On behalf of the Notre Dame Band and Band Staff, I want to compliment the University of Utah Band and staff on their terrific performance last Saturday at Notre Dame Stadium. The band performed with confidence and pride, exhibiting high standards of musicianship and marching precision. Your show was well received by our students and fans and your conducting of the National Anthem was perfect!

    The 3rd quarter timing was our fault. Our visiting band coordinator forgot about Tim McCarthys PSA after 1812 Overture and resulted in an over reaction by our fans. I take complete responsibility for that mistake.

    I hope otherwise it was an enjoyable day visiting our campus and your students had a chance to see the fall colors.
    We look forward to seeing you at future games and events and wish you and your band the best for a successful season.


    Ken Dye
    Director of Bands
    University of Notre Dame"

  • Utesforlife Lehi, UT
    Nov. 22, 2010 10:47 a.m.

    I wonder how many eastcoastcoug's still live with mommy posting comments about others living with mom to make them feel better about themselves. Then they go on to insult people about their education and reading comprehension. AZguy is a byu fan. Thus the "Go Cougs!" at the end of his post.

    One last thing, were you there to hear the death threats and see the assault? Do you know what really happened? Didn't he make the same claims in another game against one of the AZ schools? Or are you just spewing more rumors?

    Your behavior on the other hand, is just right in line with the Christ-like attributes you want everyone else to employ.

    You stay classy, eastcoastcoug!

    Go UTES!!!

  • Skierelmo Oakley, UT
    Nov. 22, 2010 10:47 a.m.

    As a Utes fan I love Maxines comments!!! Because I think irony is funny!! If you are going to lump a huge group of people under one label it makes you a biggot... and what's more "classless" than that.

    I hate a lot of Cougars, and even more of their fans, but I reserve it to a select few.... for the most part I cheer for former Y players at the next level, and at my family Thanksgiving party there will undoubtedly be some good natured ribbing. One of my best friends is a season ticket holder, and more irony, can drink me under he table!!

    At one point I was considering both schools for football and due to the funny goatee comment earlier chose the red, only to get seriously injured before I ever got to play.

    Ps. Its the "Holy War" to any purist to this rivalry, it's been that way since long before we were in Iraq and Afganistan.... which by the way, aren't supposed to be religious wars.

  • MUSSing with U Baltimore, MD
    Nov. 22, 2010 10:42 a.m.

    Who am I sir?

    The "rivalry" will change!!! Next year this game will be the 10th most important game on the Ute's schedule!!!

    LOL! Not for BYU obsessed Utah fans.

    Their lives would be meaningless without having BYU to hate on 24/7, 365 days a year.

    Case in point: Utah playing the "biggest game in the history of Utah" #3 TCU at #5 Utah, and many Utah fans were still more interested in throwing pot shots at BYU, than in talking about TCU.

    It'll be the same next year. Utah will be visiting USC, and the BYU obsessed BYU hating Utah fans will still be talking about BYU.

    It's what they do.

  • Who am I sir? Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Nov. 22, 2010 10:11 a.m.

    The "rivalry" will change!!! Next year this game will be the 10th most important game on the Ute's schedule!!! (That's assuming it will be more important than the Pitt game.)

  • Dutchman Murray, UT
    Nov. 22, 2010 10:10 a.m.

    Actually, Max Hall had it right. Max said that the whole organization (University of Utah) is classless. Earl Spencer, the brother of Princess Diana, said in his funeral eulogy for his sister, that Diana was classless, meaning in proper English that she did not hold any class distinctions among people. Sounds correct about Princess Diana and the University of Utah. Thanks Max.

  • Cougar Cindy Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 22, 2010 10:06 a.m.

    I believe in LOVE! Thanks Lee, for defining the loving family fight--it's so true! We love 51 weeks of the year, but this week, one of us is going to slug on through to victory and the other is going to be miserable . . . but let's keep it to a week or so, okay?

    We were prepared for the Cougars to lose a month ago. But now we're prepared for anything! I admit it would be more painful to the Utes to lose than the Cougars. Their loss to Notre Dame was painful even for me! And if the Utes had lost to SDSU, I think I could not have stood even to cheer for my beloved Cougars this coming Saturday. That's proof of the family feeling. But they didn't lose, and so now I say, may the best most beloved team win!


  • wazzup Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Nov. 22, 2010 9:54 a.m.

    Lee, did you forget the words of Alex Smith or Wynn Tate or Max' clarification as to WHY he said what he said. I guess you excuse the Utah fan's behavior. Heck, even the ND fans booed Utah's band and crazy lady when they showed lack of class.

    Perhaps Max was right.....as the ND fans who don't boo any opposing fans.........ever.

  • JHP Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 22, 2010 9:53 a.m.

    It's just a game, people, just a game.

  • SC Native West Jordan, ut
    Nov. 22, 2010 9:15 a.m.

    I applaud Max for saying what he said, if you don't hate your rival then you aren't a true player. I grew up in SC and it is the same with SC and Clemson. Different conferences but still a heated debate. BYU and utah will continue to have the same debate even though they will not be in the same league any more. utah fans need to get over what Max had to say... they say it all the time too. this will be an interesting game since neither team can stop the pass...

  • DenverUte Littleton, CO
    Nov. 22, 2010 8:30 a.m.

    No chance Eric's kids go to the Y. Consider the cycle broken.

  • MUSSing with U Baltimore, MD
    Nov. 22, 2010 8:23 a.m.

    BYU can play free and easy because ALL of the pressure is on Utah.

    A 9-2, Top 25 team playing at home with an experienced QB shouldn't have any trouble against a 6-5, unranked team playing on the road with a true freshman starting at QB.

    If the Utes lose this game, it will be a humiliating meltdown for a team that was once ranked in the Top 5.

    Will Utah fans prove that Max was right about them?

  • fromSTL Saint Louis, MO
    Nov. 22, 2010 7:53 a.m.

    Thank you for this very much needed column.

    And on a related topic, can we please ask at least the Des.News not to call it a holy war? Please? It cheapens religion to do so, but at a time when we're in wars in Iraq and Afghanistan it seems particularly tasteless.

  • eastcoastcoug Danbury, CT
    Nov. 22, 2010 7:45 a.m.

    I'd love to see a survey on how many Utah graduates - especially the men - STILL live at home with Mom. All that talk by Ute fans about the Y's curfew and honor code - when the U boys would get a whoopin' from their mamma for using bad language, staying out late, drinking, or growing a goatee (the biggest sign of rebellion in Utah).

  • bgl Santa Monica, CA
    Nov. 22, 2010 7:09 a.m.

    "Family Fight?" Spare me.

  • nottyou Riverton, UT
    Nov. 22, 2010 6:57 a.m.

    Lee: Read LDS Pres. Uchtdorf's talk and then write an article about the rivalry...that should change the tone.

  • SoCalUtahFan Utesville, CA
    Nov. 22, 2010 6:47 a.m.

    ... this was back in the day when you could get a D in high school algebra and still get in.

    Today, you don't need to pass highschool algebra and still get in.

  • Cali Coug Visalia, CA
    Nov. 22, 2010 6:40 a.m.

    Max for President!

  • hedgehog Ann Arbor, MI
    Nov. 22, 2010 6:10 a.m.


    I agree. Heaps will be sad recipient of the Max Hall payback.

    Max hall will need to send flowers and a card after the broken bones and shattered confidence heaps will be forced to accept.

    Bring your beer poncho...forcast calls for heavy downpours.

  • cactusflats American Fork, UT
    Nov. 22, 2010 5:55 a.m.

    Good luck to Utes and Cougars. Utah State fans hate you both!

  • Boom Irving, TX
    Nov. 21, 2010 11:51 p.m.

    Will Max do the classy thing and phone Heaps after the game and thank him for taking his beating?

  • Boom Irving, TX
    Nov. 21, 2010 11:49 p.m.

    My guess is Heaps shatter's Hall's turnover record and the Utes win easily!

    Go Utes!!!