2nd phase begins for wind project near Milford

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  • cjb Bountiful, UT
    Nov. 17, 2010 4:29 p.m.

    I see only positive in this article. Yet I see much negative in the comments. To be able to find such negativity is certainly a skill. Not a useful one, but it is a skill.

  • Eco-Weenie Dayton, OH
    Nov. 17, 2010 9:01 a.m.

    @Baron Scarpia 7:38 am

    On a per unit of energy generated basis, renewable electricity generation is subsidized at a rate 54 times that of coal-generated electricity.

    The same subsidized roads and railroads that are used to transport coal are used to transport the raw materials (wind mills are made from steel which is made from coal, iron ore, and limestone, often transported by rail) needed for renewables to the factories that make renewable components and from the factories to the job site where they are assembled.

    Many renewables use rare-earth metals that come only from China. The transport of these materials is also protected by the US Navy.

    Users of nuclear power pay a special tax intended to cover the cost of nuclear waste disposal.

  • Baron Scarpia Logan, UT
    Nov. 17, 2010 7:38 a.m.

    @ Blaine:

    Let's be honest about energy subsidies... the fossil fuel industry could not survive without the federal and state subsidies that have been given to both domestic and foreign companies for over a century.

    From railroads built with federal dollars to link coal mines to coal-fired power plants to pipelines built with federal dollars for oil and gas companies to power lines connecting fossil fuel-fired electricity to load centers to tax incentives for drilling and mining to subsidized water for making the power (wind doesn't use water). Oil companies also get tax breaks, and in Utah, coal doesn't pay a severance tax.

    Who built all the dams for hydro electric power? Feds! Also, the nuclear power industry relies on tax payers for its insurance and security of nuclear waste. Fossil fuels, hydro, and nuclear power couldn't be profitable without the subsidies from tax payers.

    Don't forget how our Navy escorts oil tankers out of the Mideast to keep pirates away from "our" oil. That's American tax payers subsidizing foreign oil companies and foreign oil.

    Bottom line is that our government has always subsidized America's energy infrastructure. Renewables should be supported too!

  • My2Cents Kearns, UT
    Nov. 17, 2010 4:16 a.m.

    I wonder when people will wake up and realize there is no such thing as green energy. All energy production is destructive regardless of what it is or where it comes from or where it goes. At one time coal and gas powered plants and hydroelectric dams were considered green energy. It's all in the eye of the beholder and the lies of the producers and your willingness to be fooled.

    These towering stands of windmills doting the country are so inefficient and useless they could never replace any other known production of electricity. And like someone said, they don't benefit Utah at all and have destroyed habitat and productive land in Utah.

  • county mom Monroe, UT
    Nov. 16, 2010 10:58 p.m.

    LDS Liberal,California is in a great hurt because they are destroying thier own ecomony. To many, to strick and to stupid enviromental laws make them loose thier tax structure. Even the California dariys are moving to other states. When your manufacturing tax base leave, your community dies. Milford is looking to provide jobs so thier young families can stay there. The wind mills are only part of the permanent business they are working to get. Thier community has had poor years so they understand what happens if you turn away to much business.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Nov. 16, 2010 7:35 p.m.

    And ONCE again,

    Utah is last out of the gate!!!
    Perpetually 30 years behind.

    A BOSTON company,
    installs wind turbines from China,
    to send power to California.

    And you guys are jumping up and down.

    Meanwhile - I get hammered here DAILY for trying to advocate more of them, and get blasted because Utah is full of Global Warming deniers, and burns Coal and Gasoline like no one else!!!

    This is called exploitation,
    in others words -
    You snooze - you loose.

  • CalinCA Fountain Valley, CA
    Nov. 16, 2010 7:06 p.m.

    Knowing CA as I do, if there's any money involved going to UT, better get it up front. CA is so cash strapped, they're virtually bankrupt.

    I say you better tax the daylights out of 'em (UT should make out on this). And if they don't pay, do a Hugo Chavez & take 'em over.

  • Blaine Cedar City, UT
    Nov. 16, 2010 6:09 p.m.

    This project exists only because of huge taxpayer subsidies. Unfortunately (or fortunately, depending on one's perspective), there is no subsidy for maintenance so the project must pay for itself it anyone is to expect to find money for maintenance. Historically, that profitability has not surfaced. Consequently, the nation is dotted with thousands of broken-down wind turbines, large and small, that arent worth fixing. There isnt even money to pull down those worthless idle eyesores. Congratulations, Milford County. Thanks a lot, "green"-energy advocates. ("Green" energy advocates are people who don't know science, ignore economics, and won't do the math.)

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    Nov. 16, 2010 4:35 p.m.

    Pagan, 2 bits,

    Rocky Mountain Power offers silimar green energy. It costs an extra $1.95 per KWH. Are you buying?

    it's good to see the project brought jobs to Millard and Beaver counties. Too bad the the turbines were built most likely built in China, like the ones in Tooele and Spanish Fork Canyon. I hope I'm wrong on that; please show me that I am.

  • Shawnm750 Lehi, UT
    Nov. 16, 2010 4:31 p.m.

    Yeah, I question how "wonderful" of a neighbor First Wind is, when all they're really doing is buying off the local town to put up giant structures that won't benefit Milford, or Utah at all. I hope they are at least paying for the use of the land, but my guess is they bought it outright, so the best we can hope for is tax revenue...

  • OHBU Columbus, OH
    Nov. 16, 2010 4:24 p.m.

    It's not all bad if the energy goes to California:
    1) Utah benefits financially for hosting the turbines
    2) Utah also gets less of the pollution created in California wafting over the state. Besides, when it comes to safeguarding the environment, man-made boundaries don't really matter.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Nov. 16, 2010 4:00 p.m.

    Too bad Utah won't get any of the energy from this project... it's all going to the power-glut California!

  • Pagan Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 16, 2010 3:58 p.m.

    Good for Utah!

    We've all seen the benifits of green energy.

    'Solar plane completes historic 24-hour flight' - By Eliane Engeler - AP - 07/08/10

    'Aircraft could stay in the air indefinitely, charging batteries from sun's rays.'