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  • DougB Spanish Fork, UT
    Nov. 18, 2010 11:28 a.m.

    Counter Intelligence,

    Point taken. But in my personal experience I have had dozens of conversations with people on both sides of this issue. And in those conversations it really did boil down to 'unnecessary hate' vs. 'recognizing that *everyone* is a child of the same God with similar rights'

    This isn't some issue of tolerance like arguing whether people should be allowed to purchase alcohol on Sundays. This is a basic question of whether our recently instituted laws declaring arbitrary limits on certain races and nationalities are wise, reasonable, or good.

    My ancestors faced no quotas 400 years ago (yes, nearly all my ancestors came from Britain in the early 1600's) but because some enterprising and -- genuinely racist [look up the history] -- California Congressman started enacting racial quotas 100 years ago, now it is accepted by many that certain peoples will never be allowed to try to make a living in the United States.

    This isn't a matter of scofflaws and villains invading our nation. This is a matter of incredibly arrogant and bad litigation making it impossible for many to come here legally. Why the 'hate' for those? Is the nation full now?

  • MorningStar Fruit Heights, Utah
    Nov. 17, 2010 7:21 p.m.

    Part Two:
    Isnt obey the law of the land a requirement for a temple recommends? How can the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints allow its members to break the law of the land without doing something about it like stating public that its members needs to obey the law of the land and by help law enforcement do their job?
    I know families are very important. Families should be kept together.
    However, shouldnt we as American demand our national and local laws to be enforced? If not, what is the purpose of having law itself? US law forbids illegal entrance into the United States, do it not? If the church is as saintly as they claim why arent they more outspoken about illegal entry in the US and helping law enforcement do their job?

  • MorningStar Fruit Heights, Utah
    Nov. 17, 2010 7:17 p.m.

    Part One:
    Just to let you know, I am an American Citizen. I was born in Michigan. My father is an American Citizen. My mother is from Columbia. She came to the United States legal. She became an American Citizen. She did things right according to the law of the land. She learned English. She speaks English. She writes in English. When in public she will do everything in English. She believes that since you are American you use the language of the Americans, which is English.
    She taught my sister and I Spanish. It is not our main language however we can speak and understand it. We can write in it. However, English is our main language. The United States is the only major country in the world that doesnt require the language of the country to be used. That language is English. For example in Germany, who speak German and in Mexico you speak Spanish. Why is the United States different? It is because no one enforces the laws.

  • libertyvista Orem, UT
    Nov. 17, 2010 4:46 p.m.

    The Utah Compact does not mention illegal immigration even once. If we can't honestly recognize what the problem is, how can we solve it?

  • RichardB Murray, UT
    Nov. 17, 2010 8:26 a.m.

    The compact does not differentiate between legal and illegal immigration.

    I will not sell my honesty or integrity to illegal immigration. If the business community wishes to do so, then let them.

    But if you do use illegal immigration, you are no longer part of this countries free enterprise system. You are using public tax money to subsidize your business. A redistribution of wealth from the poor and middle class to the business community is not capitalism.

  • EJM Herriman, UT
    Nov. 17, 2010 6:45 a.m.

    To J in AZ: It does represent a backdoor signing. Which is even more troubling. Please...step up to the plate and sign off on it, don't just say you agree to the ideals in principle. The First Presidency should sign off on it officially.

  • working class Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 17, 2010 12:24 a.m.

    "They have sided with the consensus view of pro-growth free-market economists who recognize that immigration actually creates jobs and revenue." Possibly true, but illegal immigration has accelerated the rate at which the distriubtion of wealth has become more and more top-heavy. But then "free-market economists" don't look at distribution.

  • J in AZ San Tan Valley, AZ
    Nov. 16, 2010 6:32 p.m.

    Note to EMJ:

    Mark Willes, CEO of Deseret Management Corp. did sign the compact. DMC is the main business arm of the LDS Church. I leave it to you to decide if this represents a back door signing of the compact by the Church.

  • DougB Spanish Fork, UT
    Nov. 16, 2010 1:27 p.m.

    Wow, the vile and hate expressed in the majority of these responses just floors me.

    Thank goodness we have a few leaders left who are willing to speak the truth in the face of 'bandwagon hatemongering'. I appreciate the Deseret News editors for being willing to stand amongst those leaders.

    To those of you who have gotten so caught up in the fear and hate and false statistics about gangs, and crimes, and welfare, I would invite you to do two things:

    1) Look at the real numbers. The ones the actual Chief of Police in Salt Lake City has been providing, for instance. Any numbers you can verify as coming from an actual in-Utah agency. The number of crimes committed by even 'illegal immigrants' is lower than their representation in the population. The number of even 'illegal' immigrants receiving any kind of welfare benefit is miniscule in comparison to the State programs. De-humanizing, arresting, and deporting every last 'illegal' immigrant would literally do nothing to improve crime rates, employment, or welfare expenses. Look it up!

    2) Learn what 'legal' immigration entails. Many cannot come here legally at all. Did your ancestors face such unjust rules?

  • smg45acp Salt Lake City, Utah
    Nov. 16, 2010 7:52 a.m.

    How about some compassion for a group of people all you liberals are forgetting about.
    How about some compassion for your neighbor that used to work as a roofer or construction worker , but lost his job or business because illegals came into town and were willing to work for less than minimum wage.
    And, of course, they never reported their income or paid income taxes.

    And how about some compassion for your other neighbors that have business that are failing because the now unemployed roofer and construction worker are no longer buying things locally. The illegal workers send most of their money back to their home country.

    Now you unemployed neighbors have had their home foreclosed and everybody within several blocks just had their property values dropped because of it.
    And now you, me and everybody gets to pay your now unemployed neighbors state unemployment benefits. The illegals never had to pay into this fund since they were working under the table.
    Yes, we need to show compassion in this situation. I want to show compassion to all those that are harmed or have seen their lives ruined by illegals.

  • terra nova Park City, UT
    Nov. 15, 2010 10:32 p.m.

    Thank heaven that the sane and thoughtful members of our community have taken a solid, rational stand with this Compact. May those that oppose it see the light and abandon their simplistic, unkind, thoughtless and hardhearted approach.

    Praise the Lord! This compact is like a rising sun of righteousness after a cold night of fear. May reasonable and good people everywhere embrace its good and right principles. May mercy and justice continue to be the hallmark of our state.

  • MapleDon Springville, UT
    Nov. 15, 2010 8:43 p.m.

    Should we expect anything else from the state's number one pro-illegal immigration, pro-amnesty propoganda machine?

    Trying to be as civil as I possibly can, I hope Deseret Media and every signer of the Compact fails in their self-serving efforts on this issue. Clearly, the public does not support you (no matter how much you twist and distort things.)

    I hope the nation eventually gains control over its borders and enforces existing laws.

  • EJM Herriman, UT
    Nov. 15, 2010 6:20 p.m.

    The LDS Church did not sign it. End of story. They may "approve" of it but they did not sign it. What does that tell you?

  • Tom Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Nov. 15, 2010 6:06 p.m.

    Please Sign the compact

  • The Sensible Middle Bountiful, UT
    Nov. 15, 2010 5:24 p.m.

    Immigrants are one of the great strengths of this country, they always have been, and nothing has changed.

    Immigrants have also always been denounced by many Americans throughout history, thinking they take jobs.

    This is simplistic thinking. Immigrants also buy goods and services with the money they earn. When they buy cars, rent houses, buy groceries etc, it requires that others be hired to provide for these needs. All of this activity actually expands the economy.

    This is why immigration doesn't contribute to un-employment. And in the case of Mexican immigrants they actually decrease unemployment, because there is such a high level of entrepreneurship among them.

    Instead of trying to get an psuedo economic education from talk show hosts, tea party members and minutemen, people ought to take a class in economics, from a real professor with a real education. Those in high places in our state who have done this, agree, immigration is good thing.

  • Tom Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Nov. 15, 2010 2:28 p.m.

    "We follow Jesus Christ by loving our neighbors. The Savior taught that the meaning of neighbor includes all of Gods children, in all places, at all times."

    This is about real people, and how we treat them and how self righteous we consider our selves. The facts are that "illegal immigrants" do contribute to our society and they do not have a higher crime rate than native born citizens, but that is not the real issue. the real issue is how we deal with our "neighbors".

  • William A Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Nov. 15, 2010 11:57 a.m.

    A handful of people with questionable motives, who have been pushing for open borders for a very long time, sign a document making arguments (often contradictory) they've been making for almost as long. Among those people, the former and current publishers of the Deseret News.

    How many articles, many front page, has the Deseret News published related to this fancy press release?

    The Deseret News is inventing the news, not reporting it.

    And the people who signed the document? The same types of people who were running this country in the run-up to the greatest financial crisis in nearly a century.

  • Utes Fan Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 15, 2010 11:38 a.m.

    This is largely supported by pro-cheap labor lobbies. I will gain their respect when they move from their Federal Heights neighborhoods and move to the west side of the valley - where a large part of the population are illegal immigrants. I will gain their respect when they put their kids in schools where English is a rare language, and everything in those schools is spoken and taught in Spanish. I will gain their respect when they walk in neighborhoods where graffiti is plastered everywhere from violent gangs such as "Sur 13".

  • American Spartan Taylorsville, Utah
    Nov. 15, 2010 10:30 a.m.

    Laughable proposal by the organizers behind Utah Compact. Who benefits from immigration "reform"? Amnesty or allowing illegal aliens to run free in the state, thumbing nose at the law?

    The talk about "Immigration" and "Immigrant" in Utah Compact mean illegal alien. Who benefits from this publicity charade? Nothing but traitors who love illegal aliens to encourage to 'displace' native population (including violent & property, crime, welfare fraud/abuse, id theft, and job theft).

    Treason have heavy price for the backers of illegal immigration. I hope Republican legislators have common sense not to fall for the politically correct bait that is Utah Compact. Instead, they should ignore this charade and press ahead to pass Arizona-style law. Illegal alien advocates do not care about the rule of law, they want empowerment for illegals to 'rule' Salt Lake County area.

  • 42istheanswer SLC, UT
    Nov. 15, 2010 10:08 a.m.

    Pro-growth = pro-cheap labor.

  • Fitness Freak Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 15, 2010 9:53 a.m.

    This editorial is quite a stretch, even for the DN. Actually Forbes would, most probably, express admiration for our business community if they worked to insure that EVERY business has the ability to compete fairly. When some employers get to take advantage of workers for 3-4 dollars per hour, and others meet the minimum wage, (not to mention paying workmens comp., etc)for their employees. Employers who employ the illegals have a DECIDEDLY unfair advantage.
    I don't think Forbes magazine sees that as an admirable trait.

  • CJ Murray, UT
    Nov. 15, 2010 9:02 a.m.

    To Sensible Middle,

    Your arguments that immigrants are making some sort of valuable contribution to our economy are totally off the wall. Most don't pay taxes and they cost us ten dollars in social costs for every one they contribute. With millions of our own people out of work we don't "need" them by any stretch of the imagination.
    Your argument that they are doing jobs we don't want is ridiculous, they have taken over most construction jobs that Americans very much used to do.
    They don't help the national debt, they helped cause and it and they are bankrupting states across the nation.
    As for the family argument, that is the most ridiculous of all, they left their families voluntarily to break the law and come here to take what they can get and send it back. This is a cash drain on the economy. They can have a family reunion any time they want in their own country.

  • anti-liar Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 15, 2010 4:56 a.m.

    More pro-ILLEGAL immigration propaganda from greedy business interests who want their cheap labor even at the expense of the well-being and integrity of the United States of America -- and all dressed up in suits and ties, to boot. A shameful display.

  • Hellooo Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 14, 2010 10:31 p.m.

    One could interpret the statement in the compact that it supports policies that protect families to be a direct request for laws that strictly enforce illegal immigration. Given the largest segment of such individuals leave their families at home when coming here. I agree it is shameful to support any policy that encourages the breakup of families in their native lands to come to this country and be exploited in doing so by business, politicians, and religions.

  • Say No to BO Mapleton, UT
    Nov. 14, 2010 9:23 p.m.

    The Utah Compact fails to even say the words.
    Nowhere does it talk of "illegal aliens" or even "undocumented."
    It uses the term "immigrants" and "immigration" throughout.
    It is a shell game at best. It implies that the problem is xenophobia. And that is exactly what they want people to believe.
    But the Compact people are wrong.
    May I suggest that the Compact people have a vested interest in maintaining this de facto amnesty. Their interests may be political or economic...or even keeping the pews filled on Sunday.

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    Nov. 14, 2010 5:56 p.m.

    How can anything presented by the Utah Repubs be seriously considered without addressing the BUSINESSES that are breaking the law and hiring these illegals?

    If The Repubs really care about fixing this problem, then they'd come up with a comprehensive law attacking those businesses who are breaking the law.

    Once the issue with employing illegally is addressed, this issue of illegal immigration will resolve itself. People won't come here if they can't find jobs.

    But then again, those who give away taxpayer money to their business buddies to the tune of $13 million could care less about actually resolving this issue. They're just creating a lot of smoke so that us lemmings think that they're actually resolving this issue.

  • Tulip West Jordan, UT
    Nov. 14, 2010 4:32 p.m.

    Interesting editorial. I also believe immigration should be handled at the federal level and I vote with that in mind. Our representatives should take the voice of their constituency to Washington and seriously get to work on securing the border. It's hard to blame the immigrants for coming here with the hope of providing for their families when this shoddy immigration policy allows for the mess we are in. Having said that it is also disconcerting to see the disrespect by "illegals" when it comes to our laws. I wish the LDS church would address that along with the cry for compassion. It always feels so one sided.

  • Irony Guy Bountiful, Utah
    Nov. 14, 2010 2:57 p.m.

    Leave it to Utah Republicans -- who spend a lot of time sitting in classes at Church yakking about charity being the pure love of Christ -- to protest compassion and civility in dealing with the poor. This is known as "irony." It is also known as Pharisaism (look it up).

  • Pappy Saint George, UT
    Nov. 14, 2010 2:29 p.m.

    Nowhere in the "Utah Compact" is the word "illegal" mentioned. Nowhere in the DN editorial is the word "illegal" mentioned. We are dealing with illegal immigration, not immigration - two different subjects.

    Ultra Bob asks if there a place to sign in disagreement with the Compact; Yes, support the forthcoming legislation that will be introduced in the 2011 legislative session - strongly support Rep. Sandstrom and his colleagues in their efforts to prevent Utah from becoming another California. The Compact will cause Utah to become a magnet for illegal aliens leaving Arizona. How about some compassion for the law-abiding CITIZENS of Utah?

    In contrast to the so-called Compact, the City of St. George Mayor and City Council issued a Proclamation on October 7, 2010 strongly opposing illegal immigration. The Washington County Commission has issued a similar document. These are the kind of "Compacts" that need to be given credence and support.

  • The Sensible Middle Bountiful, UT
    Nov. 14, 2010 11:46 a.m.

    It makes sense that a state that is pro family and pro business would be for a form of immigration that keeps families together and is good for business.

    These people come here, not only do they work hard and dilligently at jobs that Americans don't take seriously, they are also consumers. They buy things and this helps business.

    These people have helped our economy grow. Given our national debt, we need a large and robust economy.

  • Monstro222 Magna, UT
    Nov. 14, 2010 11:14 a.m.

    The logic expressed here is the same logic that gave us NAFTA, China's most-favored-nation status, and a variety of "free" trade agreements. If we look at just NAFTA, for example, we see that none of the wonders promised came to pass. Jobs flowed to Mexico where Mexicans were exploited. The chaos in Mexico is, to a large degree, created and aggravated by the "free trade" policies of the global elites and their minions here locally. The economic situation in our nation is the result of poor economic policy - policies that those who signed the Utah Compact seem to love so much. We should help Mexico and other nations solve their problems in their nations. Importing millions under the mantra that we are benefiting is an outright lie. We are a nation, not just an economy. Isn't it time our elites recognize this?

  • madison Magna, UT
    Nov. 14, 2010 9:13 a.m.

    The people will not usually choose that which is wrong. I have more faith in their judgment than that of those who are convinced they "know better".

  • Ultra Bob Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Nov. 14, 2010 9:12 a.m.

    The Utah Compact is simply a fancy advertisement for the continuance and enhancement of cheap labor policies by the vested business interests in Utah.

    The words are useless generalities with no specifics, all alluding to the acceptance of immigration with out any regard for the legal or illegal aspects.

    Utah respects local law because it protects business. Utah wages war against Federal law because it protects people.

    I believe that the words We champion policies that support families and improve the health, education and well-being of all Utah children are phony as shown by the actions and polices of Utah with regards to school, health care and general welfare.

    When they brag about Utah being a business friendly state, the real meaning is Utah has cheap labor and the government favors business financially.

    Their words free society are a cover up for their immigration policies. nothing that business does promotes a free society.

    Is there a place to sign in disagreement of the Utah Compact?

  • Invisible Hand Provo, UT
    Nov. 14, 2010 9:00 a.m.

    The compact is nice, but the Legislature makes the laws. Did Sandstrom sign it? It's just some irrelevant symbolism, while the threat of counterproductive immigration laws is still as big as ever.

  • Really Concerned Citizen Magna, UT
    Nov. 14, 2010 8:54 a.m.

    When Utah is as bankrupt as California, will we wake up then? Do you really believe that immigration, legal and illegal, has nothing to do with California's budget problems? Sugar-coating immigration so that those making the money or promoting their own particular political agenda is not a public service; it is the opposite. Immigration serves no glorious purpose in our society. The future, our children and grandchildren, will pay the price of our current folly when the middle-class is destroyed and the elites are still singing about the wonders of immigration. Immigration, pure and simple, is being pushed by those making money off of it to the detriment of our nation as a whole or by those whose political philosophies are blinded by ideology.

  • CJ Murray, UT
    Nov. 14, 2010 7:51 a.m.

    What a bunch of propaganda. Anyone who signs this thinks they can fly in the face of overwhelming public opposition. This is nothing less than an attempt to push illegal alien amnesty without actually having to admit that you are doing it. This is "shooting from behind a rock" in favor of amnesty and trying to pretend you don't know where the shot came from.
    We all need to pay very close attention to all those who sign this and let them know that we aren't fooled by it. Let those who sign it know that you are withdrawing your support from them and that illegal immigration is destroying this state and nation and they are tacitly aiding and abetting it.

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    Nov. 14, 2010 6:37 a.m.

    Don't talk to me about immigration reform from Utah's leaders. Where were they when the Democrats were trying to get it done and the Republicans, including Utah's delegation, fought it? This is the same immigration reform package that the Republicans previously endorsed. This compact may have some nice principles in it, but it is a hollow gesture because the prevailing party here in Utah will play politics with it.

  • justducky Brigham City, UT
    Nov. 14, 2010 5:19 a.m.

    More pro-illegal alien spin by the DN.