Anyone who says that Utah is the worst example of Gerrymandering in the nation
hasn't looked at California. However, we have voted to take the job away from
the politicians and give it to an independent commission. We hope this works. It
can't be any worse than now. Dems and Republicans now conspire to make certain
that mostif not allincumbents are re-elected. Matheson should have begun
fighting for this years ago, if he really wanted it, not when redistricting is
just around the corner.
The current democrat party is not democratic in any way. Pelosi and Reid typify
the cold hard politics they represent. Democrats only talk about compromise
when they are in the minority. Compromise for them is our way or the highway.
They voted down every single amendment the republicans offered in healthcare and
all the other legislation. They run roughshod over the republicans every time
they are in the majority. Bipartisan for them means the opposition folds and
agrees with them on all issues. Jim Matheson is a true political hack. As to
redistricting, it belongs to elected legislative bodies. They are accountable.
Appointed so-called nonpartisan commissions are just what democrats love so they
don't appear accountable. Jim Matheson's district should be drawn as selected
Salt Lake County areas which will guarantee his ouster in the next election. He
supports unwanted national democrat ideas and philosophies that are basically
anticapitalist antiprivate sector. He wants more and more government control
over our lives. He does not represent Utahns which is less government, lower
taxes for everyone, balanced budgets, lower budgets, less spending, term limits,
etc. etc. Democrats don't stand for any of this. The House is now republican.
Jim is the worst kind of politican. He tells everyone at home how
"moderate" and "independent" he is and then goes to
Washington and votes for Nancy Pelosi. Ten years in Congress is enough of a
gift for him. Time to set up four great Republican Districts!
I am a Republican, but I am very opposed to gerrymandering, and for those who
defend it.True, there are multiple practical ways to draw
boundaries, and there is no perfectly unbiased mode, but the gerrymandering that
goes on in our state is ridiculous. I'd rather have a simple computer program
draw boundaries compared to what we have now.
Fair is best, but fair is also impossible to define in this matter. Even an
independent commission would be politically driven, because they are drawing
POLITICAL boundaries. Duh.No matter who draws it up and how, people
will be able to argue for and against it. Feel free to posture to influence it,
but know that nothing in the process will really change.
Mathison, isn't he the guy that waited until the night before Obamacare was
voted on before he rejected it with Queen Pelosi's blessing. He also voted for
recess so the tax bill could wait. If Philpot had received more money earlier
Jimbo would have been gone. Lets set up the new districts so Jim is gone in
Thought more on this. Let the commission be open to everyone, any citizen.
Well-drawn lines can mean keeping them from gerrymandering, but it also means
not dividing communities. Sometimes communities stretch. Sometimes the
boundaries for, say, a hispanic community, are not the same as those for a
church group, and you would need to chose which of the two you are going to
follow. Perhaps following political boundaries,i.e. city boundaries, should be
the highest priority, then, and I believe it is. A citizens' committee should be
apprised of the guidelines the Legislature follows and guidelines other states
have found wise.We are in a We The People era, with the Tea Party
and such. Why not, then, have a citizens' commission?
We surely do not want to repeat 2001 and the moment is fast approaching. Cannot
something be done? Surely it is within the power of the Legislature to consider
an advisory commission's proposals. And, Gov. Herbert could appoint an
independent advisory commission to be working on the proposals in advance of the
upcoming legislative session. Or, better yet, Mary Bishop could appoint such a
commission, and the commission could take its proposals to the Legislature,
realizing the Legislature is under no obligation to accept or even consider
them. The power of the recommendations, with the lines having been drawn fairly,
would be argument for the Legislature to accept them. There is nothing wrong
with citizens offering input, and that is all Mary Bishop's commission would be
When have the Democrats ever been in power in Utah? They have never
gerrymandered the districts. Sure point to California and other states, but
that is not relevant to this case in Utah. Too bad, we would never find out
what the Democrats would do in Utah because of a culture in this state that
feeds off the hate merchants so much that they ignore facts. If it
is wrong--it is wrong, period. How is the pie slicing of Salt Lake City good
for the citizens of Utah. The economies of Southern Utah and SLC are very
different and need to be represented differently. I can only speak for myself,
but I would never pie slice Cache County in an attempt to get more Democrats in
power. Here's a novel idea Republicans--serve the people and not you own
interests or corporate interests!
The boundaries of a particular district aren't the issue. And this applies to
both parties.The issue is the elected individual. If the person is
going to sit on their hands and waste their time in Washington, they will be
shown the door.Having said that, my opinion is that Matheson is
certainly a politician. He hasn't done much in the 10 years he has been in
Washington and has been very calculating in what and when he says something. He
spends his time making himself look good to the people of Utah rather than doing
something for us.Because most Utahans vote based on the media,
Matheson has been able to keep his seat when he should have been tossed out on
his ear. I don't think we would have been any better off with Mr. Philpot.When the right person comes along Matheson will be out regardless of the
district boundaries.One great example is the fact that Matheson says
he will not support Pelosi. He wouldn't make that statement before the election.
I even pushed him on it. Currently he is calculating, Jim get to work for us.
Who cares about what other states do, we live in Utah. A single party system
like the one we have in Utah is as bad for the majority party as it is for the
minority party. Our state legislature does all its business in the republican
caucas meetings and you are not invited. The republicans don't need one
democratic vote to pass veto prove legislation. Utah is being governed by a
handful of the most powerful radical republicans who go into caucas and then
come out and perform the show that orchestrated behind closed doors. Why not
set up state and federal districts based on county lines? If communities elect
republicans great the elect republicans, if the elect democrats great the elect
democrats. Our republicans all tout how moral they are, well then do the right
thing, give all the people a voice by drawing lines based on counties not the
number of R's or D's.
When the Democrats had the power they were all in favor of gerrymandering. But
you the Democrats lost and now you will have to live with the results. Matheson
supported Pelosi and now fears this will be his last term in Congress - how is
that hope and change working for you now Jim?
Jimmy's credibility would be better if he spoke as enthusiastically about the
outrageous gerrymandered districts in states that favor Democrats in truly
bizarre ways.Jimmy nearly lost this time, and probably will be
thrown out next time anyway. Regardless of how the districts are drawn.
As the leader of the Democratic party, Barry Obama, said in 2009: "Hey -
The Democrats expect a double standard. What's OK for them isn't OK when the
shoe is on the other foot and the Republicans do it.
Glad you all actually read the entire story. It says that this independent body
could only make recommendations to the legistlature which would have the final
say. If a political party has overwhelming control of a state legistlature, it
is feasible to say that they could, if they chose to, make it very hard for a
member of the opposite party to win reelection, by redrawing voting districts.
How is it that you cannot see this? Are you so blinded by your us vs. them
mentality to see things with any objectivity?
A lot of personal attacks Repubs, but very little substance.What I
find interesting is that not one Repub is against what Matheson is saying.
They're just upset that it's Matheson that's suggesting it. That says a lot
about you Repubs. Way to look after the welfare of our country.It's
this type of hypocrisy that lost the Repubs control in the first place. They had
no problem with government expansion, debt, and gerrymandering while the Repubs
and Bush were in charge. Now that it's the Demos, they raise cane. Repubs have no problem spending money, just as long as it's someone elses.
they have no problem making cuts, just as long as it's not cutting them. See
NASA in utah. All of a sudden those same Utah repubs that have been crying about
cutting government are all of a sudden upset that cuts have been made.Which is exactly why this country doesn't go anywhere under Repub leadership.
The party of the rich, by the rich, and for the rich. I can't wait till 2012 to
vote all Repubs out.
Whine, whine, whine. Go to Washington and do something constructive for a
change, actually represent Utah for a change. Poor Jim will probably be lost
without Nancy Pelosi holding his hand. He has lied his way through 5 reelections
by telling Utahans one thing, then going to Washington and completely ignoring
Utah for two years. We don't need a "commission" we need a responsible
We don't want Jim in Dixie. Give him his Salt Lake west side and make the 4th
district out of the rest of the old 3rd district.
The only states where Democrats are so benevolent are states where the
Republicans control redistricting. Do you think they are doing this in
California, New York, Massachusetts? Not too likely.As for 2001,
what a crock. I am so tired of Matheson being a victim in that. I wish the
reporter would actually be a reporter and do their homework. He takes a few
politicians quotes as the final answer and jumps to their conclussion. The truth
is far different then what really happened. There was not an attempt to
redistrict Matheson out. Period!Get the whole story.
Runwasatch, the way Matheson's district was carved up previously in an attempt
to get rid of him is already unfair...to southern Utah. He represents southern
Utah and Salt Lake. As a result, our interests down here are not Matheson's top
priority, they can't be, our population is not anywhere near as large. It's
gerrymandering plain and simple, it makes no sense on any level unless your main
priority is to hope St.George attracts enough conservative retirees from other
states to offset Salt Lake city enough to achieve party purity. That's putting
party politics ahead of our fair representation.
This is hardly the most important thing right now but I totally agree that the
gerrymander in Utah is probably the most egregious example of redistricting in
the nation. Good luck getting anyone to listen to this without seeing red or
Jim...Jim...Jim! Why didn't you bring this topic up long ago. I hope you don't
become like so many other politicians. Get real, act like an honest official,
and go to work for Utah.
any one shocked at this request? funny how creating a district's boundaries to
artificially support the dems is considered fair minded and rational; while
doing the same for republicans is biased and unfair. give it up dems...you had a
chance and your real agenda...socialism...came flying out and now the people
have rejected your plan and your party. Dems are the party of elitists how think
they know better than us common folk. they see themselves as well-bred royalty
and us as peasants how need to be ruled for our own good.Ta Ta
royals...welcome to the second revolution...
I agree with Matheson so long he agrees with a three man committee consisting of
myself, the gov and Rocky Anderson!
"However, some lawmakers have said they would like to carve up the state up
into a pie to ensure each representative's district consists of urban and rural
areas." Whoever said this has no interest in fairness. The
concept of "ensuring each representative's district consists of urban and
rural areas" is just another way of saying, "Oh, goody! Now we can
carve up that liberal Salt Lake stronghold!" Recent candid comments from a
few politicos have said as much.The new, more right-wing legislature
is unlikely to change it's habit of taking every political advantage. Let's
reconsider the Fair Boundaries petition.Remember, Democratic
Governor Matheson set up a redistricting commission dominated by Republicans.
Sounds like fairness and bi-partisan cooperation to me.If the new
Tea-Party conservatives are tired of politics as usual then it's time to show it
by being fair instead of manipulative.If the idea of a single party
maintaining dominance by manipulation doesn't bother you because it happens to
be your party, consider the state of your character.
It's not fair for the democrates to have a district in a one party system like
Utah, I'm sure his election was accidental cause no one would really have voted
for him.Demos are finished. They have single handily destroyed this
nation in the matter of years. Wow and Obama's got 2 more yearshe
should be able to destroy the world.The right wing must be trembling in
there tall black boots at the thought of this.You give him to much
credit or blame.
I think that the "pie" idea is foolish and inevitably leads to
misrepresentation of the citizens of Utah. To me it does not make sense to have
all of southern Utah be in the same district as Salt Lake, 300 miles away. Why
not give Salt Lake its own district (who cares if the elect a democrat; that's
what a republic is all about), and let southern Utah represent itself? I want to give St. George a seat in congress.
If the shoe were on the other foot, would he then want an
"independent" commission. Democrats are so two faced.
You can rationalize gerrymandering all you like, but the bizarre twisted
districts designed to keep power firmly where it is and purify a state into
unbreakable one party dominion by fracturing opposing voter bases is never right
or righteous, no matter if it's you're side that's the one doing it.
Shouldn't the redistricting commission be representative of our state? It seems
to me that 3 Democrats on the panel far outweighs their numbers among the
electorate? How convenient for Mr Matheson.
Or course, Mr. Matheson is right. The elected representatives of the people in
the state legislature can not do nearly as well at determining legislative
districts as elites appointed by the Governor.
Of course Matheson is going to want this. Do you think Barry Obama would create
an independent anything to advise him? It's typcial politics. Whoever is the
minority cries foul and nothing is fair. I never saw Nancy Pelosi look for a
fair way to discuss health care or seek advice on one of several stimulus
bills.Demos are finished. They have single handily destroyed this
nation in the matter of years.