Matheson wants independent group to redraw congressional districts

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  • gharmons Helendale, CA
    Nov. 14, 2010 4:18 p.m.

    Anyone who says that Utah is the worst example of Gerrymandering in the nation hasn't looked at California. However, we have voted to take the job away from the politicians and give it to an independent commission. We hope this works. It can't be any worse than now. Dems and Republicans now conspire to make certain that mostif not allincumbents are re-elected. Matheson should have begun fighting for this years ago, if he really wanted it, not when redistricting is just around the corner.

  • Anonymous Infinity American Fork, UT
    Nov. 14, 2010 12:25 p.m.

    The current democrat party is not democratic in any way. Pelosi and Reid typify the cold hard politics they represent. Democrats only talk about compromise when they are in the minority. Compromise for them is our way or the highway. They voted down every single amendment the republicans offered in healthcare and all the other legislation. They run roughshod over the republicans every time they are in the majority. Bipartisan for them means the opposition folds and agrees with them on all issues. Jim Matheson is a true political hack. As to redistricting, it belongs to elected legislative bodies. They are accountable. Appointed so-called nonpartisan commissions are just what democrats love so they don't appear accountable. Jim Matheson's district should be drawn as selected Salt Lake County areas which will guarantee his ouster in the next election. He supports unwanted national democrat ideas and philosophies that are basically anticapitalist antiprivate sector. He wants more and more government control over our lives. He does not represent Utahns which is less government, lower taxes for everyone, balanced budgets, lower budgets, less spending, term limits, etc. etc. Democrats don't stand for any of this. The House is now republican.

  • Justmythoughts Richfield, UT
    Nov. 13, 2010 8:38 p.m.

    Jim is the worst kind of politican. He tells everyone at home how "moderate" and "independent" he is and then goes to Washington and votes for Nancy Pelosi. Ten years in Congress is enough of a gift for him. Time to set up four great Republican Districts!

  • Brian the engineer Provo, UT
    Nov. 13, 2010 7:59 p.m.

    I am a Republican, but I am very opposed to gerrymandering, and for those who defend it.

    True, there are multiple practical ways to draw boundaries, and there is no perfectly unbiased mode, but the gerrymandering that goes on in our state is ridiculous. I'd rather have a simple computer program draw boundaries compared to what we have now.

  • Madden Herriman, UT
    Nov. 13, 2010 5:14 p.m.

    Fair is best, but fair is also impossible to define in this matter. Even an independent commission would be politically driven, because they are drawing POLITICAL boundaries. Duh.

    No matter who draws it up and how, people will be able to argue for and against it. Feel free to posture to influence it, but know that nothing in the process will really change.

  • Richie Saint George, UT
    Nov. 13, 2010 3:08 p.m.

    Mathison, isn't he the guy that waited until the night before Obamacare was voted on before he rejected it with Queen Pelosi's blessing. He also voted for recess so the tax bill could wait. If Philpot had received more money earlier Jimbo would have been gone. Lets set up the new districts so Jim is gone in 2012.

  • Candidate Jackson Sandy, UT
    Nov. 13, 2010 1:15 p.m.

    Thought more on this. Let the commission be open to everyone, any citizen. Well-drawn lines can mean keeping them from gerrymandering, but it also means not dividing communities. Sometimes communities stretch. Sometimes the boundaries for, say, a hispanic community, are not the same as those for a church group, and you would need to chose which of the two you are going to follow. Perhaps following political boundaries,i.e. city boundaries, should be the highest priority, then, and I believe it is. A citizens' committee should be apprised of the guidelines the Legislature follows and guidelines other states have found wise.

    We are in a We The People era, with the Tea Party and such. Why not, then, have a citizens' commission?

  • Candidate Jackson Sandy, UT
    Nov. 13, 2010 11:48 a.m.

    We surely do not want to repeat 2001 and the moment is fast approaching. Cannot something be done? Surely it is within the power of the Legislature to consider an advisory commission's proposals. And, Gov. Herbert could appoint an independent advisory commission to be working on the proposals in advance of the upcoming legislative session. Or, better yet, Mary Bishop could appoint such a commission, and the commission could take its proposals to the Legislature, realizing the Legislature is under no obligation to accept or even consider them. The power of the recommendations, with the lines having been drawn fairly, would be argument for the Legislature to accept them. There is nothing wrong with citizens offering input, and that is all Mary Bishop's commission would be doing.

  • Attack of the Republiclones Ogden, UT
    Nov. 13, 2010 11:35 a.m.

    When have the Democrats ever been in power in Utah? They have never gerrymandered the districts. Sure point to California and other states, but that is not relevant to this case in Utah. Too bad, we would never find out what the Democrats would do in Utah because of a culture in this state that feeds off the hate merchants so much that they ignore facts.

    If it is wrong--it is wrong, period. How is the pie slicing of Salt Lake City good for the citizens of Utah. The economies of Southern Utah and SLC are very different and need to be represented differently. I can only speak for myself, but I would never pie slice Cache County in an attempt to get more Democrats in power. Here's a novel idea Republicans--serve the people and not you own interests or corporate interests!

  • Commontater Lehi, UT
    Nov. 13, 2010 7:59 a.m.

    The boundaries of a particular district aren't the issue. And this applies to both parties.

    The issue is the elected individual. If the person is going to sit on their hands and waste their time in Washington, they will be shown the door.

    Having said that, my opinion is that Matheson is certainly a politician. He hasn't done much in the 10 years he has been in Washington and has been very calculating in what and when he says something. He spends his time making himself look good to the people of Utah rather than doing something for us.

    Because most Utahans vote based on the media, Matheson has been able to keep his seat when he should have been tossed out on his ear. I don't think we would have been any better off with Mr. Philpot.

    When the right person comes along Matheson will be out regardless of the district boundaries.

    One great example is the fact that Matheson says he will not support Pelosi. He wouldn't make that statement before the election. I even pushed him on it. Currently he is calculating, Jim get to work for us. Forget yourself!

  • Fred44 Grantsville, Utah
    Nov. 13, 2010 6:53 a.m.

    Who cares about what other states do, we live in Utah. A single party system like the one we have in Utah is as bad for the majority party as it is for the minority party. Our state legislature does all its business in the republican caucas meetings and you are not invited. The republicans don't need one democratic vote to pass veto prove legislation. Utah is being governed by a handful of the most powerful radical republicans who go into caucas and then come out and perform the show that orchestrated behind closed doors. Why not set up state and federal districts based on county lines? If communities elect republicans great the elect republicans, if the elect democrats great the elect democrats. Our republicans all tout how moral they are, well then do the right thing, give all the people a voice by drawing lines based on counties not the number of R's or D's.

  • Woodyff Mapleton, UT
    Nov. 12, 2010 9:49 p.m.

    When the Democrats had the power they were all in favor of gerrymandering. But you the Democrats lost and now you will have to live with the results. Matheson supported Pelosi and now fears this will be his last term in Congress - how is that hope and change working for you now Jim?

  • DN Subscriber Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Nov. 12, 2010 9:16 p.m.

    Jimmy's credibility would be better if he spoke as enthusiastically about the outrageous gerrymandered districts in states that favor Democrats in truly bizarre ways.

    Jimmy nearly lost this time, and probably will be thrown out next time anyway. Regardless of how the districts are drawn.

  • Walt Nicholes Orem, UT
    Nov. 12, 2010 6:56 p.m.

    As the leader of the Democratic party, Barry Obama, said in 2009: "Hey - we won."

  • Rifleman Salt Lake City, Utah
    Nov. 12, 2010 6:21 p.m.

    The Democrats expect a double standard. What's OK for them isn't OK when the shoe is on the other foot and the Republicans do it.

  • ChrisNSuz Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 12, 2010 6:09 p.m.

    Glad you all actually read the entire story. It says that this independent body could only make recommendations to the legistlature which would have the final say. If a political party has overwhelming control of a state legistlature, it is feasible to say that they could, if they chose to, make it very hard for a member of the opposite party to win reelection, by redrawing voting districts. How is it that you cannot see this? Are you so blinded by your us vs. them mentality to see things with any objectivity?

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    Nov. 12, 2010 5:45 p.m.

    A lot of personal attacks Repubs, but very little substance.

    What I find interesting is that not one Repub is against what Matheson is saying. They're just upset that it's Matheson that's suggesting it. That says a lot about you Repubs. Way to look after the welfare of our country.

    It's this type of hypocrisy that lost the Repubs control in the first place. They had no problem with government expansion, debt, and gerrymandering while the Repubs and Bush were in charge. Now that it's the Demos, they raise cane.

    Repubs have no problem spending money, just as long as it's someone elses. they have no problem making cuts, just as long as it's not cutting them. See NASA in utah. All of a sudden those same Utah repubs that have been crying about cutting government are all of a sudden upset that cuts have been made.

    Which is exactly why this country doesn't go anywhere under Repub leadership. The party of the rich, by the rich, and for the rich. I can't wait till 2012 to vote all Repubs out.

  • dumprake Toquerville, UT
    Nov. 12, 2010 5:32 p.m.

    Whine, whine, whine. Go to Washington and do something constructive for a change, actually represent Utah for a change. Poor Jim will probably be lost without Nancy Pelosi holding his hand. He has lied his way through 5 reelections by telling Utahans one thing, then going to Washington and completely ignoring Utah for two years. We don't need a "commission" we need a responsible congressman.

  • Richie Saint George, UT
    Nov. 12, 2010 5:29 p.m.

    We don't want Jim in Dixie. Give him his Salt Lake west side and make the 4th district out of the rest of the old 3rd district.

  • JMT Springville, UT
    Nov. 12, 2010 4:59 p.m.

    The only states where Democrats are so benevolent are states where the Republicans control redistricting. Do you think they are doing this in California, New York, Massachusetts? Not too likely.

    As for 2001, what a crock. I am so tired of Matheson being a victim in that. I wish the reporter would actually be a reporter and do their homework. He takes a few politicians quotes as the final answer and jumps to their conclussion. The truth is far different then what really happened. There was not an attempt to redistrict Matheson out. Period!

    Get the whole story.

  • Cedarite Cedar City, UT
    Nov. 12, 2010 4:51 p.m.

    Runwasatch, the way Matheson's district was carved up previously in an attempt to get rid of him is already southern Utah. He represents southern Utah and Salt Lake. As a result, our interests down here are not Matheson's top priority, they can't be, our population is not anywhere near as large. It's gerrymandering plain and simple, it makes no sense on any level unless your main priority is to hope St.George attracts enough conservative retirees from other states to offset Salt Lake city enough to achieve party purity. That's putting party politics ahead of our fair representation.

  • tron527 Provo, UT
    Nov. 12, 2010 4:47 p.m.

    This is hardly the most important thing right now but I totally agree that the gerrymander in Utah is probably the most egregious example of redistricting in the nation. Good luck getting anyone to listen to this without seeing red or blue.

  • duke5 vancouver, wa
    Nov. 12, 2010 4:28 p.m.

    Jim...Jim...Jim! Why didn't you bring this topic up long ago. I hope you don't become like so many other politicians. Get real, act like an honest official, and go to work for Utah.

  • runwasatch Ogden, UT
    Nov. 12, 2010 4:12 p.m.

    any one shocked at this request? funny how creating a district's boundaries to artificially support the dems is considered fair minded and rational; while doing the same for republicans is biased and unfair. give it up had a chance and your real agenda...socialism...came flying out and now the people have rejected your plan and your party. Dems are the party of elitists how think they know better than us common folk. they see themselves as well-bred royalty and us as peasants how need to be ruled for our own good.
    Ta Ta royals...welcome to the second revolution...

  • TRUTH Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 12, 2010 4:08 p.m.

    I agree with Matheson so long he agrees with a three man committee consisting of myself, the gov and Rocky Anderson!

  • John C. C. Payson, UT
    Nov. 12, 2010 4:04 p.m.

    "However, some lawmakers have said they would like to carve up the state up into a pie to ensure each representative's district consists of urban and rural areas."

    Whoever said this has no interest in fairness. The concept of "ensuring each representative's district consists of urban and rural areas" is just another way of saying, "Oh, goody! Now we can carve up that liberal Salt Lake stronghold!" Recent candid comments from a few politicos have said as much.

    The new, more right-wing legislature is unlikely to change it's habit of taking every political advantage. Let's reconsider the Fair Boundaries petition.

    Remember, Democratic Governor Matheson set up a redistricting commission dominated by Republicans. Sounds like fairness and bi-partisan cooperation to me.

    If the new Tea-Party conservatives are tired of politics as usual then it's time to show it by being fair instead of manipulative.

    If the idea of a single party maintaining dominance by manipulation doesn't bother you because it happens to be your party, consider the state of your character.

  • Happy Valley Heretic Orem, UT
    Nov. 12, 2010 3:46 p.m.

    It's not fair for the democrates to have a district in a one party system like Utah, I'm sure his election was accidental cause no one would really have voted for him.

    Demos are finished. They have single handily destroyed this nation in the matter of years.

    Wow and Obama's got 2 more yearshe should be able to destroy the world.
    The right wing must be trembling in there tall black boots at the thought of this.

    You give him to much credit or blame.

  • Rebel-Aggie Provo, UT
    Nov. 12, 2010 3:30 p.m.

    I think that the "pie" idea is foolish and inevitably leads to misrepresentation of the citizens of Utah. To me it does not make sense to have all of southern Utah be in the same district as Salt Lake, 300 miles away. Why not give Salt Lake its own district (who cares if the elect a democrat; that's what a republic is all about), and let southern Utah represent itself?

    I want to give St. George a seat in congress.

  • JNA Layton, UT
    Nov. 12, 2010 3:28 p.m.

    If the shoe were on the other foot, would he then want an "independent" commission. Democrats are so two faced.

  • Cedarite Cedar City, UT
    Nov. 12, 2010 3:23 p.m.

    You can rationalize gerrymandering all you like, but the bizarre twisted districts designed to keep power firmly where it is and purify a state into unbreakable one party dominion by fracturing opposing voter bases is never right or righteous, no matter if it's you're side that's the one doing it.

  • Tami Herriman, UT
    Nov. 12, 2010 3:19 p.m.

    Shouldn't the redistricting commission be representative of our state? It seems to me that 3 Democrats on the panel far outweighs their numbers among the electorate? How convenient for Mr Matheson.

  • Hellooo Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 12, 2010 3:06 p.m.

    Or course, Mr. Matheson is right. The elected representatives of the people in the state legislature can not do nearly as well at determining legislative districts as elites appointed by the Governor.

  • Liberal Ted Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 12, 2010 2:54 p.m.

    Of course Matheson is going to want this. Do you think Barry Obama would create an independent anything to advise him? It's typcial politics. Whoever is the minority cries foul and nothing is fair. I never saw Nancy Pelosi look for a fair way to discuss health care or seek advice on one of several stimulus bills.

    Demos are finished. They have single handily destroyed this nation in the matter of years.