re: sammyg | 9:18 a.m. Nov. 8, 2010 Dead cat bounce? Really? Is that
what happened when BYU landed after the Aggies kicked them out of Logan?
Uteology | 6:45 p.m. Nov. 8, 2010 Fort Worth, Texas Say's the
pot...===Uteology, when have you ever not been one of
the biggest anti-zoob's that post?Hypocritical for you to call
anyone a pot, or kettle, or arrogant, or unbiased...That is all you
UteologyApples to oranges comparison.Utah has NEVER
played FSU, so to throw the Seminoles into a comparison of BYU and Utah is
meaningless.The fact is, #5-ranked Utah was D*E*S*T*R*O*Y*E*D in the
first quarter at home by a team that BYU played even with on the road until just
before half-time.Utah's "awesome" D gave up almost 50
points to TCU.BYU's much maligned D hasn't given up more than 35
points this entire season, including to TCU.
To all you people predicting the outcome of the big game on November 27th -
isn't the definition of insanity that you keep doing the same thing over and
over but expect different results. None of you know who is going to win. None of
us know how Jordan Wynn is going to respond to what happened Saturday or whether
Jake Heaps is going to be able to parlay his performance Saturday into a regular
and consistent quality performance. I once read a saying from a
French philosopher (forgot whom, sorry) that the silliest things ever uttered
were said while looking at paintings in a museum. That was said long before
there were sports discussion boards.
Utah 17, ND 24; Utah 21, SDSU 24; Utah 24, BYU 31. Please write it down. I
haven't missed all year! Oh, #1 TCU, #2 BYU, #3AF, #4 Utah! Gotta love it
Veritas Aequitas | 1:21 p.m. Nov. 8, 2010"Problem is that Utah does
not get scoreboard enough, that Utah Fans have to talk the trash before... And
then get upset they eat crow."-----Say's the pot..."Utah is better than Pitt...LOL... Enjoy the beatdown, because the
season rolls downhill from there...You are not, nor will ever be BYU." -- Veritas (Aug. 21, 2010)Looks who's crying about Ute fans on a
Utah article with his team being 4-5.The rivalry is even sir, 10-10
in the last 20 years. Okay, yes using a 40 year sample size you did
indeed dominate. Congrats! But how about measuring using the
entire population? No? Oh yea, those were leather helmet days and
BYU history only began when an Aggie took over.Let face it the
probability of BYU winning Utah @RES is closer to 0 then 1.Go Utes!!
Before last Saturday, I was not optimistic about the last game of the year. I
thought Utah was better than they showed last Saturday. I didn't believe BYU
would score more than 24 points.Now, all of the Cougar fans I speak
with in Vegas believe that at the very least, it will be a good competitive game
on Nov 27th!!!!It is fun once again to banter with my Ute friends
and not have to shrug shoulders! GO COUGS!!!
@Swoop#7 BYU 28 --> #12FSU 54 --> 7-6#5 Utah
7 --> ???#3 TCU 47 --> Not a 7-6 team.Congrats my math
shows you were only embarrassed by 14 less points at home than Utah but by a
horrible FSU team.FSU's 4 of 7 wins were:3 wins by 3 points10 point win against Division 2 team at home@statman9So how
is it that AF had enough of an identity by game 2 to put a whopping on BYU? AF did not turn the ball over 5 times, Utah forced 3 fumbles after
allowing big plays. Just like TCU forced Utah into TOs.Bottom line
Utah stuck and did not deserve to be on the same field as TCU. However, they do
have 3 games to prove if they are a top 10 team or a cupcake like BYU.
What's up with this "TCU only beat BYU by this many but TCU beat Utah this
much so this really means that BYU is by far the better team, Utah will lose the
rest of its games in the MWC, never win a game in the PAC-12, never be ranked
again, while BYU will never lose another game and win 6 more NC's"That is the most ridiculous logic I have ever heard of.The fact
is, is that BYU fans are pumping their chests about dismantling the same
"Cupcake" that Utah played only weeks ago. Yes Utah played terribly
against TCU, but they are a well coached team with good athletes and they will
bounce back like any other good team.I really hope BYU keeps
winning, and wins in the future. It's always fun to see these two schools play
in a dog fight.Enough of that garbage logic, let it be decided on
the field, Nov. 27 eh?
Commontater from Lehi:Don't worry about Utah fans. We're fine.
We're a bit bloody but will overcome a hard hit to the mouth and a few missing
teeth. And don't worry about your taxes having to support Utah sports, our
income outlook is quite postive in coming years. Plus, I doubt you pay much
income tax anyway.I worry more about sacred tithing dollars going to
BYU sports when you are "Independent" and no one is interested in
playing with you. We'll be busy with Oregon and USC (winning our share and
losing a few)while you are trying to schedule Utah State and Montana State. And
good luck with Utah State.
The team still has a couple of tough games left. But Whitt will pull them back
together.Jordan Wynn's weaknesses have been exposed, but play
calling can protect him better next week.The game to be afraid of is
San Diego State.Good teams, like this Ute team, bounce back from
crushing losses. I look for a strong game this week.But I thought
the Utes would win 24-21.
Deray, keep in mind that Air Force turned the ball over 5 times and was still
able to stay in the game with Utah. BYU hadn't found their identity yet when
they played air force, it was only the second game of the season.
The best way to recover from a crushing loss like this is to take it out on the
Irish in South Bend on NBC. Sure, the program is down, but they are still a
name brand team and it turns heads to put a beat down on them. 14+ points and
you'll find that much is forgiven from your fan base. And please ignore those
that booed, they spent too long tailgating.
TCU 47Utah 7A FORTY POINT loss AT HOME by what was supposed to
be the #5 team in the country.BYU hasn't lost by 40 at home since
the 1955, and that includes playing then #4-ranked Air Force, then #1-ranked
Miami, and #1-ranked USC.BYU(4-5) lost AT TCU by 28.Utah(8-1) lost at home by 40.You do the math.
The Utes have not been the same team since they failed on 4th and 2 late in the
3rd qtr of the Air Force game. Since that time they have been outscored 61-7.
Their defensive backfield has been exposed......
Coming from the point of view of a U of Oregon fan, I have to say that I was
impressed with the likes of UT, TCU and BSU. Someone mentioned before that it's
the SEC Championship game so it's refreshing to see them losing to each other as
hyped up as they are. Having said that, it would be really nice to see us Ducks
(hopefully they win out) play against the likes of a TCU/BSU team. Football
needs it, it would create a lot of talk, the SEC would be out of it (boring if
you ask me), and quite frankly, I think TCU or BSU are the only two teams that
scares us Duck fans. (Although I think the Ducks would wear down either of those
two teams in the 4th quarter as opposed the usual 3rd quarter).
Utah State 31 - BYU 16
Utah needed to play a harder schedule leading up to TCU. I think the U was sort
of shell shocked with the speed of TCU.
Hey folks - If you missed the game on CBS-C Saturday it's being replayed today
at 4:30pm on the Mountain Channel.
I've said it all along, to many BYU fans like to start their posts with
"I've said it along"Where were all your prognosticative
abilities before the Utah state game?Now to conclude:Utah will finish 11 - 1 with a blow out win over BYU!!!and lest I
forget how about finishing up with the second most common and tired cliche used
to end their posts:Mark it down!!!
Utes Fan, I agree with you 100%. Just remember it goes both ways, as in Utah
fans predicting a win at RES over the Cougars.After the beatdown
Utah received at the hands of TCU, I would be hesitant to predict a win if I
were a Utah fan. Consider yourself warned.
I've said all along the utes are the caliber of the Aztecs. It'll be an
I am absolutely thrilled that Cougar fans are predicting a win in RES in a few
weeks. That itself will make it an interesting game. Personally, I
would be hesitant to predict a win if I were a Cougar fan. Don't say we didn't
Cheer up Ute Fans!!!Utah will will the National Championship in
2011.Write it down.(If I say that, it means that it will
This week's swaggermeter...Ute swagger vs. BYU swagger. BYU hands UNLV a greater defeat than the Utes.Utes cry 'uncle' louder in
their own stadium than the Cougars in Texas.That Ute swagger this
week look's more to be more like a drunk sailor after a severe beatdown.
Mark this one down, Utah gets a run for its money with SDSU and BYU.
Both teams are playing really well. I wouldn't be surprised to see
one of those 2 teams upset Utah.
Yes indeed - what goes around comes around.Saturday's game was a
complete joy to watch - sort of like the BSU whipping you got in '06 on the home
turf.@SoCalUte: And we still own 3 of the last 4 - how's that for
lower level competition. Things are looking up. Any bets on 27 Nov?? - better be
careful before you order up any more crow. By Nov 28 we'll be saying 4 of the
It's a shame that the Y and the U have to be perfect to get respect in the polls
and respect with the BCS. And when they are near perfect, politics and money
take over. Until a playoff system is implemented, this will always continue.
"There is no way that BYU beats Utah at the end of this year... You can
write that down and look at it after it happens if you would like
too..."Tagzz, do you know how old the write it down line is
getting?Ask UtahNationalChamps2010.Geez, all the Utes
have to do is beat BYU, and we give you the respect of scoreboard.Easy, cheezy...Problem is that Utah does not get scoreboard
enough, that Utah Fans have to talk the trash before... And then get upset they
eat crow.Wookie, is the fine sports car that Utah is a 300ZX? Who
are you, Dick Harmon?Where the Ute Fans made their biggest mistake
was talking so obnoxiously arrogant.Now they are all at work eating
those words.Like I said, win it out, you will get the respect of a
2nd place mid major. Lose, fourth place.===Side note. BYU has,
at this point in the year won as many MWC championships as Utah did all last
year.The Utes are putting all of their hopes on a football team that
was blown out at home by 40 points.Not alot to thump a chest about.
K Whitt didn't follow his own game plan. He said they needed to be balanced.
They game out throwing the ball and kept throwing it until the game was out of
hand. Their game plan they executed against AF would have worked well against
TCU. The first three runs they tried were 6 yards 2 yards and 4 yards. Why keep
passing the ball? @ comontator You forgot, "Utah only plays lower
level competition" ... Just remember, Ybu is one of them. No chance of
beating the Utes. After the cewgs play the Utes, they are going to feel they
ways the Utes are feeling right now.
"Utah ends the regular season 9-3 after 3 loses to the religous oriented
colleges, TCU, Notre Dame, and BYU."Is there some kind of point your
trying to make there?It's no wonder people think BYU fans are smug
and and self righteous with comments like that, save it for your own articles.
wow-I think the most-telling point of the article was that the u fans were
actually booing their 1-loss team. What's next? Calling for Kyle's job
again?The best news is that my 2 favorite teams won this past
weekend- now hopefully my 2 favorites will win again this weekend also!
Statman9, so according to your logic, since Air Force crushed BYU, and Utah beat
them, does that mean that Utah will crush BYU based on that comparison? Every
game is different, Utah was demolished by a TCU team that was on point on
Saturday. You can't compare games unless it's head to head. Nebraska beat Iowa
State in overtime last week end, and Utah beat them 68-27, so does that mean
that Utah is 40 points better than Nebraska since Nebraska only beat them by 1?
I don't think so. Your backward logic doesn't work. So if you're going to
come with trash talk, at least make it creative, if you compare the TCU game to
how BYU did against TCU, it is a weak argument. At least entertain us with some
creative, relevant trash talk, that's all I ask
Deray,You now know what BYU feels, trash talking, Utah has been
doing it all year to BYU, so don't compain about Cougar fans trash talking Utah
fans. Utah lost by 40 at home to TCU, BYU didn't even allow 40 points and they
were on the road at TCU, statistically speaking BYU did better than Utah did
against TCU defensively.
gary patterson is good.
Utah ends the regular season 9-3 after 3 loses to the religous oriented
colleges, TCU, Notre Dame, and BYU. Although, SDSU is close enough to San Diego
University, a Jesuit college, that they may also beat Utah! If that happens
they end up at best 3rd in th MWC and probably 4th. With BYU going to th Las
Vegas Bowl and Utah going to the Independence Bowl. Like life, it's interesting
how quickly things can change!
When you are beatdown in front of the nation, and even in your home, what
EXCUSES could you have? I'm sure you Ute fans would probably come up with a few,
if not for all the witnesses!...Since Ute fans are soo confident in their team
to beat BYU, I will match their confidence in saying that BYU will shock the
Utes and send them on their merry way to the PAC-10. Good luck!...Your gonna
need it!...GO COUGARS!!
TAGZZIt's been over half a century since the last time BYU was
beaten at home by 40 or more points; and that was a 1-9 BYU team.
All you Yners talking smack on Utah is funny... The difference between Utah Fans
and Zoobie Fans is that when Utah loses we don't come up with excuses as to why
we lost, On the other hand BYU Fans and there players always have an excuse...
Take St. Heaps for instance... He threw an interception and told the media it
wasn't him, BYU loses and they blame it on the coaches and demand somebody to be
fired!! Congratulations, You beat a horrible UNLV team... There is
no way that BYU beats Utah at the end of this year... You can write that down
and look at it after it happens if you would like too...Congratulations TCU, you guys deserve a shot at the NC Game, You have very
classy fans and it was great meeting some of you at the game on Saturday!! We
definitely lost to the best team in the country and I have no problem saying
The Utah Offense is like a fine sports car. It can outperform every other car,
but it is still a fragile piece of machinery. If you put in the wrong oil,
or have even a minor default in the motor, you can end up with a car that
belongs in the Yugo class.The TCU defense was too much for the
offensive machine to handle and it broke down. There are only a few teams in the
nation that could do that to the Ute offense. The rest of the year,
the utes won´t face anyone that can lock down the wide-outs AND put that
kind of pressure on wynn with a 4 man rush. The utes will be fine.
At the beginning of the season, I expected a 11-2 team. Now I expect a 12-1
team. Lets hope we get a good opponent in our bowl game and still take it one
game at a time.GO UTES!!
sammyg,The dead cat might bounce but there is absolutely no chance
of that happening to the dead horse you have been beating for weeks. That thing
is completely pulverized!The 'dead cat bounce' might more
appropriately describe your cat's win over UNLV. Who knows? I guess we will have
to wait and see how they perform against the remaining cupcakes on their
schedule, including my lowly Utes.
I think that it's funny that Cougar fans are talking trash. Utah lost to TCU, a
team that will probably be in the National Championship Game. Utah is a top 15,
team, but not a top 5 team. They will regroup and win out. BYU will get stomped
in RES. We don't feel really bad about being #14. And to all the BYU
fans talking trash.... Utah State!!!
11-1 will be fine with me. Sorry Ute Haters, BYU may have done a little better
than utah against TCU but who cares! A loss is a loss. We will win out and
move on to the Pac 12 at season end. that is all that matters.
Resorting back to my days as a financial advisor I can think of a term that fits
this Ute situation.'Dead cat bounce'Dead cat bounce is a
Wall Street term that refers to a small, brief recovery in the price of a
declining stock.Yeah that's the ticket, that describes what the Ute
fans are hoping for.I hope this week's game has as much if not more
entertainment factor as these last two! I'm truly a Ute fan this season!Notre Dame by 10.
DOn't be too worried about the fan base. When I was at BYU we were in the gary
crowton years, one year was good the other two really bad. As for basketball I
think that we won 2 games one year. I say I think because no one ever went to
the games. Now, there are a lot of fans and things are moving along
nicely even in a bad season. One loss in the middle of a great season won't
kill your fan base. Keep positive Ute faithful, give them a great game in
South Bend, great place to play!!!
By the way. Congrats to TCU! They deserve it! I hope they get the real
opportunity to play for the BCS NC. The BCS will not allow that to happen.
Period!Just wondering? IF, I say IF, Utah goes 8-4 and BYU goes 7-5
on the season, who is the better team? Who has the better program? Who has the
Commontater: Thanks for sharing that little verse. I am going to hang it up as
a reminder every day. I have no doubt the Utes will regroup...
Coach Whittingham will see to that. But it is good they got a bit of a reality
check. I do have to give TCU a ton a credit for taking the "12th man" -
especially the MUSS - out of the game on the first drive.
I'm sorry to hear that the Paper Tigers Utes lost. It was inevitable. Having
played a cream puff schedule up until now. BYU put up a better game against TCU
than the Utes did! I would not be surprised to see the Utes 3rd or 4th in the
conference at year end! Definitely not TOP 10 material.
I don't fault the players for their performance, with the possible exception of
Wynn who couldn't seem to get his head in the game. I blame the play calling.
They tried to open up TCU's defense by going to the air on almost every play,
but we had little success there. They needed to run Wide and Asiata more. They
had pretty good success when they did. I think they also needed to put Cain in
for a few plays and force TCU to adjust to a different QB. Sure, there were some
players that made mistakes, but our overall strategy was way off. Congrats to TCU. I hope they get a shot at the champonship!
They will be fine. I am sure they will have their hands full though in their
remaining games. One would think that folks can look at the TCU game plan and
incorporate some of it into their own. Utah was exposed and it hurts by Kyle is
a great coach, even great teams suffer losses that just throw their season for a
If TCU wins out (and they will), they had better be in the National Title game.
The way to beat TCU is run the ball. BYU did at TCU with John Beck and that is
the last time the Y has been even competive with TCU. BYU pounded the ball
inside and threw when they had to but it was a run first mentatity. TCU is all
about pressure. TCU has the best corners in the country and some of the best
line backers too. However, if you are able to play physical smash mouth run
first football you neutralize the TCU speed and control the game. Utah couldn't
run the ball and it was game over. Teams which elect not to adjust get
pounded... as Utah did. Utah has the second best team in the MWC but they are a
long way from from TCU and #1.
That was a tough loss - they just need to rebound strong and beat the Irish!I have to give BYU fans credit for being fans of BYU. That is what it
feels like to be a cougar fan and it is tough! :)
It was a bad one to be sure but i have complete faith in coach Whittingham and
his team to come back swinging. i am so excited for this weekend i cannot even
wait till Saturday! Go UTES!
TCU 47, Utah 7, strength of schedule? OOPS! It would get very interesting with
the potential of Utah loosing the rest of their games and BYU winning out. This
could put BYU second in the conference and playing in the Las Vegas Bowl and
Utah placing fourth in conference play and, well maybe, playing in the
Humanitarian or Poinsettia Bowl. A little verse I heard years ago
plays loud a clear today, "Be careful of the words you speak, keep them soft and
sweet, 'cause you never know from day to day which ones you'll have to eat." I'm sure the Utes will recover from this at some point in the future but
I would be most concerned about the fan base. Are they a one shot wonder or will
they support their team and move on.If what has happened in
basketball is any indication things in the athletic department could get real
interesting without any income next year from their decision to join the PAC
12.I guess we could see a tax hike just to keep the program viable.
Whatever happens next, beat the TDS!
Nice viewpoint Coach! Tough loss, but all you can do is regroup. 8-1 is a
great place to be, 15th in the nation is also great!Bounce back, I
know you will! I hope both the Y and the U have their best games in a few
weeks.Go COugs! Go Utes!