Iceberg looms on the horizon for Democrats

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  • Earl Sandy, UT
    Nov. 8, 2010 8:52 a.m.

    @the truth: I should have been more specific about my reference. I was thinking mainly in terms of this century that Republicans were more interventionist.

    As for your examples, you might want to reconsider them:

    The Republicans were the only regime on the face of the earth ever to eradicate slavery by declaring war and invading another nation (the Confederate States of America).

    Vietnam ended when Democrats cut off Nixon's funding in 1975. Otherwise, he was ready to continue indefinitely.

    The Cold War ended without Reagan and the Republicans. Gorbachev saw the writing on the wall even without the "Star Wars" scenario. We should be giving him credit for that.

    Reagan was foolish to send troops to Lebanon in the first place. That was part of the global overreach I'm talking about.

    There was nothing virtuous about invading Iraq or Afghanistan. It's our current version of Vietnam.

    Eisenhower probably ignited the Middle East hatred for Americans when he sent the CIA into Iran to overthrow the democratically-elected president there.

    My point is that Democrats and Republicans are two sides of the same coin. They're both interventionists. There's no possibility of isolationism.

  • the truth Holladay, UT
    Nov. 7, 2010 7:15 p.m.

    RE: Earl | 8:41 a.m.

    Actually history shows DEMCRATS and progressive have been worst violators of global overreach and human rights,

    from jefferson to jackson, to Ted roosevelt, to to woodrow wilson to fdr, to jfk and lbj, to Obama,

    from war on the barbary coast, to spanish and mexican wars, cuban war, ww1, ww2, the cold war, korea, vietnam, bay of pigs, the start of milutary industial complex, kosovo, bosnia, somalia,

    from the monroe doctrine to indian displacements and manfest destiny, slavery, interment camps, military bases world wide,

    all under the watchful guidance and care of democrats and progressives,

    many consider Bush 1, and bush 2 progressives,

    Yep, it is the democrats and the progessive that are guilty of global overreach.

    What have true conservatives and true conservative republicans actually ever done?

    end slavery?
    end the vietnam war?
    end the cold war?
    cut and run from lebanon?
    stop a mass murdering dictator in iraq?
    try to stop radical muslim extremism and a change the environment that fosters it?

    Can the LEFT even see the truth past thier lies and fallacious claims?

  • Earl Sandy, UT
    Nov. 7, 2010 8:41 a.m.

    Roland, you have to be kidding, right? What makes you think the neoconservatives have left the Republican party? It's all about making the world safe for democracy (as they borrowed the term from Woodrow Wilson). The Republicans are probably more guilty of global overreach than the Democrats, although Obama didn't give much indication of imperial humility, either.

  • KM Cedar Hills, UT
    Nov. 7, 2010 8:15 a.m.

    It was sad when the greeeeat ship went down! The great ship U.S.A.... to the bottom of the morally and fiscally bankrupt democrat machine.

  • working class Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 7, 2010 1:10 a.m.

    "Do not assume that all freshman Republicans will support the current strategy and objectives – whatever they are – in Afghanistan." It's of interest to me that only Libertarians understood the folly of the Iraq invasion and the folly of Afghanistan. Since there are some Libertarians in the tea party movement, maybe some good will come of it, provided they get us out of the middle east. We don't understand the middle east any better than the Soviets did - they went to Afghanistan to die.

  • Salsero San Diego, CA
    Nov. 7, 2010 1:24 a.m.

    Not only for Democrats, but Republicans are sailing on their own version of Titanic. Many in the Republican establishment have forgotten that the voters dislike Republicans in Congress almost as much as they despise Democrats.

    This is way the Republicans are currently in a civil conflict about what is will be in 5-10 years. Moderate Republicans have been hounded out of the Party and accused as traitors as the uber-conservative Tea Party push their anti-government agenda. Although the Republican establishment is saying it can control the Tea Party extremists, the stars of the Tea Party, including Sarah Palin and Michelle Bachmann, intend to remake the Party in their image.

    The lesson of 2010 is that few people are satisfied with their government because it was unable to calm their fears and make their world better. The Old West gunslingers who want to bring back the 19th Century and destroy what Americans have built in this country think that somehow the Past is preferable to the promise of Tomorrow. Little do they understand the American people.

    As the Republican Party withdraws further to the Right, the majority of Americans are proclaiming their independence from Party affiliation.

  • Roland Kayser Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Nov. 7, 2010 12:49 a.m.

    George Will pining for the isolationism of Robert Taft. That's what you call irony. Remember, it was conservatives, not liberals, who opposed U.S. involvement in WWII. Is that really an end to which Mr. Will wants U.S. policy to return? The term "partisan hack" comes to mind.